Phuket Court denies bail for Garry Halpin, former Tourist Police Volunteer

[aussiebrian]

The highly trained and highly paid Thai police must be totally infallible and would never set anyone up in your eyes? Never telling any pork pies? Amazing, even in Australia there have been many police found to have set people up for various reasons. One of many examples that springs to my mind is Roger Rogerson. Try googling him if you can put your beer down and know how to. Glad that could never happen in Thailand. Without knowing Gary, or his side of the story and based on evidence of a Thai newspaper article, which we all know are always sourced by the best investigative reporters in the world, being always 100% accurate, you can make this educated assumption he is guilty. Or do you know something we don't know? Maybe you will need to pray to your invisible friend if you end up behind bars.

Or is his guilt and hang him high mentality just based on your prejudice of him being a volunteer tourist policeman?

Tell me now, do you think all tourist police are the scum of the earth and all the Thai police would never dream of perverting the course of justice are only there to put evil criminals behind bars?

I am not saying he is guilty or innocent based on the small amount of evidence I have seen, but i think the very least he deserves is for any decent person to keep an open mind. I do know he devoted much time and energy helping many people in Phuket including myself on two occasions and helping out at Phuket bike week.

He should at least be treated as being innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt which is the case in any civilized country. Even if found guilty that really does not mean he is guilty or if that was the case then no one would ever have been executed and later been found to be innocent and exonerated.

Treat him with the respect he deserves !!

Respect! What respect does this asswi*e deserve pray tell? He's just another pathetic wannabe cop who was dealing dope. A loser who could legally don a silly uniform and then believe that he had the power to command the public. I have seen too many of these toady foreign tourist cops who are just full of their own self importance. In any civilized country these prats wouldn't even be employed as police station cleaners.

As AC/DC said, "Good riddance to bad rubbish".

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Edited January 21, 2014 by aussiebrian

[briboy]

is this not the KIWI/AUS silver spoon boy that was done not long back, that the family in Aus said that he was the nicest, gentlest, most helpful wouldn't hurt a fly a$$wipe that tried to blame his problems on his wife????

I ask as I don't know how to check old threads, sorry.

[SjaakNL2013]

As Police Volunteer he followed the best training you can wish to sell drugs. And still get busted.....

[Skint]

Bare backed in jail and deported.

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[ChoakMyDee]

I have no respect for tourist police volunteers as they must have mental problems to want to bust their fellow countrymen but I feel sorry for this guy; he looks a wretched human being in the picture. I hope he comes through this a better man.

[rebelplatoon]

I am against any kind of drug trade but it seems our forum has convicted him already. Let's just for arguments' sake say he had a run in with some of the Phuket Mafia boys and they handed him to police meanwhile inserting some stuff in his pockets? I had a friend once who had a big mouth and the police inserted cocaine in his pocket. Lucky for him it was 3 grams and he could buy his way out. TIT. Things are never what they seem to be. Just saying. If you DO deal drugs. Put him away for a while. Everyone should read "The damage done" sometime.

[LivinginKata]

an inflammatorry post removed. No need to make insults about other forum members.

[Showbags]

No bail, 'SOM NOM NA'

Wow you can speak thai.

Why you no write 'no bail' in thai also ?

Why does this guy ( even though he looks a little ill in the photo ) look very familiar? Was he one of the tourist cops in the big trouble series, or does he just look like someone i may have seen before???

According to a friend of mine who lived there for some time and knows about him, yes, that's the guy.

I do not recall seeing him in those clips, may have missed it, thought most of the TVP stuff was Pattaya and Samui

[Showbags]

is this not the KIWI/AUS silver spoon boy that was done not long back, that the family in Aus said that he was the nicest, gentlest, most helpful wouldn't hurt a fly a$$wipe that tried to blame his problems on his wife????

I ask as I don't know how to check old threads, sorry.

Silver spoon huh...you know him that well do you ?

[Hawk]

The highly trained and highly paid Thai police must be totally infallible and would never set anyone up in your eyes? Never telling any pork pies? Amazing, even in Australia there have been many police found to have set people up for various reasons. One of many examples that springs to my mind is Roger Rogerson. Try googling him if you can put your beer down and know how to. Glad that could never happen in Thailand. Without knowing Gary, or his side of the story and based on evidence of a Thai newspaper article, which we all know are always sourced by the best investigative reporters in the world, being always 100% accurate, you can make this educated assumption he is guilty. Or do you know something we don't know? Maybe you will need to pray to your invisible friend if you end up behind bars.

Or is his guilt and hang him high mentality just based on your prejudice of him being a volunteer tourist policeman?

Tell me now, do you think all tourist police are the scum of the earth and all the Thai police would never dream of perverting the course of justice are only there to put evil criminals behind bars?

I am not saying he is guilty or innocent based on the small amount of evidence I have seen, but i think the very least he deserves is for any decent person to keep an open mind. I do know he devoted much time and energy helping many people in Phuket including myself on two occasions and helping out at Phuket bike week.

He should at least be treated as being innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt which is the case in any civilized country. Even if found guilty that really does not mean he is guilty or if that was the case then no one would ever have been executed and later been found to be innocent and exonerated.

Treat him with the respect he deserves !!

Respect! What respect does this asswi*e deserve pray tell? He's just another pathetic wannabe cop who was dealing dope. A loser who could legally don a silly uniform and then believe that he had the power to command the public. I have seen too many of these toady foreign tourist cops who are just full of their own self importance. In any civilized country these prats wouldn't even be employed as police station cleaners.

As AC/DC said, "Good riddance to bad rubbish".

Sent from my e1909c_v77_gq1008_a41_6628 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Read what I posted again, that's if you can, my first post remember. I said that if the police in Thailand arrest a person then they are automatically presumed guilty, even the courts will presume they are guilty.

Now to the second post, I think all foreign tourist cops are dregs, looking to make themselves important, losers with too many chips on their shoulders. All the ones I have seen are ignorant, rude in speech, always trying to talk down to one and basically have no manners, plus their schooling seems to have ended at 15 or 16 years old, latest.

As this thread is about Gary the presumed guilty ex.oink then I will not discuss the workings of the Thai police as they are off subject. So no comment about the Thai hot fuzz.

Edited January 21, 2014 by LivinginKata
insult removed

[mamypoko]

Why does every cop that ever cuffed me up look like Garry?

[balo]

This is not the first time a police volunteer ends up in prison , we had one of my fellow countrymen , a Norwegian in Pattaya a few years ago that was arrested with both an illegal gun and drugs on him No I would never trust a farang police volunteer here in Pattaya.

[pacovl46]

Why does this guy ( even though he looks a little ill in the photo ) look very familiar? Was he one of the tourist cops in the big trouble series, or does he just look like someone i may have seen before???

He looks a bit like Robert Knepper, who was one of the supporting actors in the TV series Prison Break.

[aussiebrian]

You are wrong on all counts.

Yes, I remember. That is not what you said. You are now saying

"In Thailand anyone who gets arrested is automatically guilty because the Thai police never ever arrest innocent people!"

If you were trying to be sarcastic then that means that Gary possibly could be innocent, so you agree with my point.

That is a lot different to your first quote

"that if the police in Thailand arrest a person then they are automatically presumed guilty, even the courts will presume they are guilty. Do they?

Automatically assumed guilty by who? You?

Can't you see the difference between your two statements? Doesn't really matter because both are nonsense.

You say "even the courts will presume they are guilty." You sound like you must be a member of the bar. I think I know which one.

2. Office of the Attorney General

A public prosecutor is an official under the office of the Attorney General and is governed by the Regulation of Public Prosecutor Officers Act 1978 (B.E. 2521). The Office of the Attorney-General, formerly called the Public Prosecution Department, was separated from the Ministry of Interior and became a state agency under the direct supervision of the Prime Minister in 1991 to make the Office free from outside influence and interference.
The public prosecutor is responsible for bringing a criminal prosecution on behalf of the government and represents the government in civil cases where the government is a party to the proceedings. When the investigation is completed, a report is filed with the public prosecutor, who then prepares an indictment and gives a copy to the accused or his counsel, who enter a plea of guilty or not guilty.
Based on the plea and the evidence that has been gathered, the judge either accepts a case for trial or dismisses all charges. Trials are normally held in open court, and the accused is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. If the defendant has no counsel and wishes to be represented the court appoints a defence attorney. During trials, accused persons or their counsels can cross-examine prosecution witnesses and re-examine defence witnesses.

ref:http://www.thailawonline.com/en/others/criminal-law/criminal-law-in-thailand.html

The Thai Criminal Court hears two types of cases: (1) cases in which Defendants are accused of criminal conduct by public prosecutors, and (2) cases in which the Court accepts the prosecution of a criminal case arising from a civil lawsuit filed by a Plaintiff. In either type, one of the first courses of action for Defendants is to apply for a provisional release pending trial to avoid being detained or, what is more commonly known as posting bail. Essentially, the Court will allow the temporary release of Defendants during trial because the core principle of Thai criminal proceedings is that Defendants are “innocent until proven guilty,” as stated in the Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand of 2007, Section 39. Limitations on bail are detailed in the Section 108/1 of the Criminal Procedure Code and require the Court to withhold the release of Defendants if there is reason to believe that the Defendant will escape, tamper with evidence, or otherwise cause any difficulties.

Ref:http://www.csbc-law.com/thai-law-insights/foreign-defendants-bail-in-thai-criminal-courts-and-implications-on-travelling-businesspeople.html

But I am sure you know better.

Then you say " Now to the second post, I think all foreign tourist cops are dregs, looking to make themselves important, losers with too many chips on their shoulders. All the ones I have seen are ignorant, rude in speech, always trying to talk down to one and basically have no manners, plus their schooling seems to have ended at 15 or 16 years old, latest."

You must have spent many years traveling around Thailand in the company of all the tourist cops, or is that just a slight generalization? How many tourist police have you actually met or you really just mean seen and can know all that just by the way they look?? Where do you get your analytical skills from that you can make such broad sweeping statements?? As I said in my post "Or is his guilt and hang him high mentality just based on your prejudice of him being a volunteer tourist policeman?" Looks like you have just answered my question again.

Maybe you are just jealous they possibly had more schooling than you.

You say "As this thread is about Gary the presumed guilty ex.oink then I will not discuss the workings of the Thai police as they are off subject. So no comment about the Thai hot fuzz."

Presumed guilty by who, you? I thought the workings of the Thai Police was part of this subject. So now you are calling them hot fuzz, sounds like a comment to me.

And lastly, I don't drink and haven't been drunk since I was in my early 20's, so wrong again..

Your and some other posters speed of condemning someone they don't know, on a thread of evidence and lack of empathy is outstanding.

And no, I am not a tourist policeman. Peace man.

The highly trained and highly paid Thai police must be totally infallible and would never set anyone up in your eyes? Never telling any pork pies? Amazing, even in Australia there have been many police found to have set people up for various reasons. One of many examples that springs to my mind is Roger Rogerson. Try googling him if you can put your beer down and know how to. Glad that could never happen in Thailand. Without knowing Gary, or his side of the story and based on evidence of a Thai newspaper article, which we all know are always sourced by the best investigative reporters in the world, being always 100% accurate, you can make this educated assumption he is guilty. Or do you know something we don't know? Maybe you will need to pray to your invisible friend if you end up behind bars.

Or is his guilt and hang him high mentality just based on your prejudice of him being a volunteer tourist policeman?

Tell me now, do you think all tourist police are the scum of the earth and all the Thai police would never dream of perverting the course of justice are only there to put evil criminals behind bars?

I am not saying he is guilty or innocent based on the small amount of evidence I have seen, but i think the very least he deserves is for any decent person to keep an open mind. I do know he devoted much time and energy helping many people in Phuket including myself on two occasions and helping out at Phuket bike week.

He should at least be treated as being innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt which is the case in any civilized country. Even if found guilty that really does not mean he is guilty or if that was the case then no one would ever have been executed and later been found to be innocent and exonerated.

Treat him with the respect he deserves !!

Respect! What respect does this asswi*e deserve pray tell? He's just another pathetic wannabe cop who was dealing dope. A loser who could legally don a silly uniform and then believe that he had the power to command the public. I have seen too many of these toady foreign tourist cops who are just full of their own self importance. In any civilized country these prats wouldn't even be employed as police station cleaners.

As AC/DC said, "Good riddance to bad rubbish".

Sent from my e1909c_v77_gq1008_a41_6628 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Read what I posted again, that's if you can, my first post remember. I said that if the police in Thailand arrest a person then they are automatically presumed guilty, even the courts will presume they are guilty.

Now to the second post, I think all foreign tourist cops are dregs, looking to make themselves important, losers with too many chips on their shoulders. All the ones I have seen are ignorant, rude in speech, always trying to talk down to one and basically have no manners, plus their schooling seems to have ended at 15 or 16 years old, latest.

As this thread is about Gary the presumed guilty ex.oink then I will not discuss the workings of the Thai police as they are off subject. So no comment about the Thai hot fuzz.

[aussiebrian]

Boy, maybe about time to learn,then maybe you wouldn't have enlightened us with this post..

is this not the KIWI/AUS silver spoon boy that was done not long back, that the family in Aus said that he was the nicest, gentlest, most helpful wouldn't hurt a fly a$$wipe that tried to blame his problems on his wife????

I ask as I don't know how to check old threads, sorry.

Edited January 21, 2014 by aussiebrian

[jacko45k]

"Police are waiting for drug test results before handing the case to the public prosecutor by March 10.

“I do not know exactly when we will receive those results, but we should have them by the end of February,” Lt Col Jumroon said.

Hmmmmm, let's say they drew blood on December 18, how can it take over 2 months to run a blood test? A full urine test needs to be completed within 24 hours, Blood degrades for testing over time and if not handled properly of course will not test accurately. I'm just curious, any one seen something like this before?

They are actually evaluating the purity of the drugs he was in possession of as this affects charges and sentencing.

Somebody is posting before having read the whole thread.

[jacko45k]

My 3 year old daughter makes that same face when I tell her to turn off her iPad.

haha... and people arrested and facing a long time in jail do too in their mug shots.

That's the answer.....same 'damn, I am sczewed' bloodhound expression.

Edited January 21, 2014 by jacko45k

[jacko45k]

I have no respect for tourist police volunteers as they must have mental problems to want to bust their fellow countrymen but I feel sorry for this guy; he looks a wretched human being in the picture. I hope he comes through this a better man.

Off topic wrt TPVs, but I am thinking that they can be very helpful if they are multi-lingual.

And personally, I have more affiliation with decent honest people than those in need of being busted, irrespective of nationality.

(Get rid of the criminal element here from my country I say, they sully my image too).

I do not like them being used to set up 'sting type' operations, as that is entrapment, and the need to dress up and have a utility belt may be a questionable mentality...... but overall, they may be a welcome aid if in trouble, confused and unable to communicate..... one day I may need to report a crime against.....me.

[pitchag]

I have no respect for tourist police volunteers as they must have mental problems to want to bust their fellow countrymen but I feel sorry for this guy; he looks a wretched human being in the picture. I hope he comes through this a better man.

I thought the TPVs were set up to help the tourist if he got into a bit of strife, I was involved in an accident last year in Pattaya and was advised to ring the tourist police for advice and help I was told there is nothing they can do and would not even speak to me, or help me in the Pattaya police station, accident was not my fault but was initially blamed anyway, was never charged with anything or finger printed but cost me heaps in time and money to get my passport back

[ChoakMyDee]

I have no respect for tourist police volunteers as they must have mental problems to want to bust their fellow countrymen but I feel sorry for this guy; he looks a wretched human being in the picture. I hope he comes through this a better man.

I thought the TPVs were set up to help the tourist if he got into a bit of strife, I was involved in an accident last year in Pattaya and was advised to ring the tourist police for advice and help I was told there is nothing they can do and would not even speak to me, or help me in the Pattaya police station, accident was not my fault but was initially blamed anyway, was never charged with anything or finger printed but cost me heaps in time and money to get my passport back

I would think the tourist police volunteers are too busy posing on walking street to offer any real help to you. If you, however, were dealing drugs, they would be there in a flash, to set up a sting operation. The TPV is an unpaid position but they do get a percentage of the spoils when they are involved in a drug bust. (I was told this by a TPV).

Any ex-pat who wants to help his fellow countryman could do so in a number of ways without putting on a silly uniform and strutting around as some type of 'police' man. Why not open a 'Tourist Information Booth' with a hotline number to call for tourists who get themselves in a bit of trouble or need help dealing with anything in Thailand they aren't sure of. They don't need to be associated with police to be helpful.

[kkup]

The cough syrup was the straw that broke the camel's back. That's bad luck.

Cough syrup contains pseudoephedrine - a substance which could be easily modified to methamphetamine. So seems like he not just pushed meth but produced it himself...

He looks sick, maybe he had a cough..

[keestha]

Funny. The first Halpin thread, right after his arrest, was populated by regulars frequently posting in the Phuket forum, but this one has turned into a playing ground for out of towners.

[rafish]

I knew Garry and often played golf with him at Loc Palm. Nice guy then and never a harsh or negative work from him about anything. Always fun to be araound, laughs galore and knowledgeable about Thailand and the culture. I havent seen or spoken to Garry in the past 4 years, but its hard to see him locked up for drug dealing. He ran a dive opreration seemingy, successful, loved his new son and seemed to be pretty happy then. Sad to see him on the wrong side.

[HeavyDrinker]

Funny. The first Halpin thread, right after his arrest, was populated by regulars frequently posting in the Phuket forum, but this one has turned into a playing ground for out of towners.

God forbid that could happen on a public forum....

Given the "local" people defending this pond life scum, I think that's no bad thing...

I'd wager the outrage were a tourist nabbed for dealing drugs from all these people trying to defend this bloke would have been calling for the noose....

[newermonkey]

I notice that everyone is quick to assume that he is guilty.

Remember the police side is only an allegation, it's a long way from being decided if there is any case to answer let alone innocence or guilt.

The fact that he was a tourist police volunteer means that he MAY have made some enemies along the way, is it not at least possible that he's been set up?

Treat him with the respect he deserves, he's innocent until proven guilty !!

In Thailand anyone who gets arrested is automatically guilty because the Thai police never ever arrest innocent people!

Do they?

Or they have to pay for their innocence!

[Carrerakiss]

No comment on whether he is innocent or guilty, but I read all the time of people accused of rape, child molesting, murder, being granted bail. A number of whom recommit another heinous crime while actually free on bail.

So I wonder why this guy doesn't get it. Oh, hang on a minute, I see this guy is a farang.

[Hawk]

I have no respect for tourist police volunteers as they must have mental problems to want to bust their fellow countrymen but I feel sorry for this guy; he looks a wretched human being in the picture. I hope he comes through this a better man.

I thought the TPVs were set up to help the tourist if he got into a bit of strife, I was involved in an accident last year in Pattaya and was advised to ring the tourist police for advice and help I was told there is nothing they can do and would not even speak to me, or help me in the Pattaya police station, accident was not my fault but was initially blamed anyway, was never charged with anything or finger printed but cost me heaps in time and money to get my passport back

Tourist cops will help put you in jail quick enough though. Some time ago I saw two foreign tourist pigs demanding to see a white guy's passport, they even threatened to "arrest" him if he refused to show them, like <deleted>, who gives these oinks the right to check a person's visa status! Thailand has really become a weird country, how many other countries have foreigners legally dressed up as cops, and apparently giving them the powers to detain, harass and even arrest other foreigners? What next, permission to carry guns?

[Showbags]

I have no respect for tourist police volunteers as they must have mental problems to want to bust their fellow countrymen but I feel sorry for this guy; he looks a wretched human being in the picture. I hope he comes through this a better man.

I thought the TPVs were set up to help the tourist if he got into a bit of strife, I was involved in an accident last year in Pattaya and was advised to ring the tourist police for advice and help I was told there is nothing they can do and would not even speak to me, or help me in the Pattaya police station, accident was not my fault but was initially blamed anyway, was never charged with anything or finger printed but cost me heaps in time and money to get my passport back

Tourist cops will help put you in jail quick enough though. Some time ago I saw two foreign tourist pigs demanding to see a white guy's passport, they even threatened to "arrest" him if he refused to show them, like <deleted>, who gives these oinks the right to check a person's visa status! Thailand has really become a weird country, how many other countries have foreigners legally dressed up as cops, and apparently giving them the powers to detain, harass and even arrest other foreigners? What next, permission to carry guns?

Sheriffs used to make cowboys..and Indians...their deputies ...same same

[Hawk]

You are wrong on all counts.

Yes' date=' I remember. That is not what you said. You are now saying

"In Thailand anyone who gets arrested is automatically guilty because the Thai police never ever arrest innocent people!"

If you were trying to be sarcastic then that means that Gary possibly could be innocent, so you agree with my point.

That is a lot different to your first quote

"that if the police in Thailand arrest a person then they are automatically presumed guilty, even the courts will presume they are guilty. Do they?

Automatically assumed guilty by who? You?

Can't you see the difference between your two statements? Doesn't really matter because both are nonsense.

You say "even the courts will presume they are guilty." You sound like you must be a member of the bar. I think I know which one.

2. Office of the Attorney General

A public prosecutor is an official under the office of the Attorney General and is governed by the Regulation of Public Prosecutor Officers Act 1978 (B.E. 2521). The Office of the Attorney-General, formerly called the Public Prosecution Department, was separated from the Ministry of Interior and became a state agency under the direct supervision of the Prime Minister in 1991 to make the Office free from outside influence and interference.

The public prosecutor is responsible for bringing a criminal prosecution on behalf of the government and represents the government in civil cases where the government is a party to the proceedings. When the investigation is completed, a report is filed with the public prosecutor, who then prepares an indictment and gives a copy to the accused or his counsel, who enter a plea of guilty or not guilty.

Based on the plea and the evidence that has been gathered, the judge either accepts a case for trial or dismisses all charges. Trials are normally held in open court, and the accused is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. If the defendant has no counsel and wishes to be represented the court appoints a defence attorney. During trials, accused persons or their counsels can cross-examine prosecution witnesses and re-examine defence witnesses.

ref:http://www.thailawonline.com/en/others/criminal-law/criminal-law-in-thailand.html

The Thai Criminal Court hears two types of cases: (1) cases in which Defendants are accused of criminal conduct by public prosecutors, and (2) cases in which the Court accepts the prosecution of a criminal case arising from a civil lawsuit filed by a Plaintiff. In either type, one of the first courses of action for Defendants is to apply for a provisional release pending trial to avoid being detained or, what is more commonly known as posting bail. Essentially, the Court will allow the temporary release of Defendants during trial because the core principle of Thai criminal proceedings is that Defendants are innocent until proven guilty, as stated in the Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand of 2007, Section 39. Limitations on bail are detailed in the Section 108/1 of the Criminal Procedure Code and require the Court to withhold the release of Defendants if there is reason to believe that the Defendant will escape, tamper with evidence, or otherwise cause any difficulties.

Ref:http://www.csbc-law.com/thai-law-insights/foreign-defendants-bail-in-thai-criminal-courts-and-implications-on-travelling-businesspeople.html

But I am sure you know better.

Then you say " Now to the second post, I think all foreign tourist cops are dregs, looking to make themselves important, losers with too many chips on their shoulders. All the ones I have seen are ignorant, rude in speech, always trying to talk down to one and basically have no manners, plus their schooling seems to have ended at 15 or 16 years old, latest."

You must have spent many years traveling around Thailand in the company of all the tourist cops, or is that just a slight generalization? How many tourist police have you actually met or you really just mean seen and can know all that just by the way they look?? Where do you get your analytical skills from that you can make such broad sweeping statements?? As I said in my post "Or is his guilt and hang him high mentality just based on your prejudice of him being a volunteer tourist policeman?" Looks like you have just answered my question again.

Maybe you are just jealous they possibly had more schooling than you.

You say "As this thread is about Gary the presumed guilty ex.oink then I will not discuss the workings of the Thai police as they are off subject. So no comment about the Thai hot fuzz."

Presumed guilty by who, you? I thought the workings of the Thai Police was part of this subject. So now you are calling them hot fuzz, sounds like a comment to me.

And lastly, I don't drink and haven't been drunk since I was in my early 20's, so wrong again..

Your and some other posters speed of condemning someone they don't know, on a thread of evidence and lack of empathy is outstanding.

And no, I am not a tourist policeman. Peace man.

The highly trained and highly paid Thai police must be totally infallible and would never set anyone up in your eyes? Never telling any pork pies? Amazing, even in Australia there have been many police found to have set people up for various reasons. One of many examples that springs to my mind is Roger Rogerson. Try googling him if you can put your beer down and know how to. Glad that could never happen in Thailand. Without knowing Gary, or his side of the story and based on evidence of a Thai newspaper article, which we all know are always sourced by the best investigative reporters in the world, being always 100% accurate, you can make this educated assumption he is guilty. Or do you know something we don't know? Maybe you will need to pray to your invisible friend if you end up behind bars.

Or is his guilt and hang him high mentality just based on your prejudice of him being a volunteer tourist policeman?

Tell me now, do you think all tourist police are the scum of the earth and all the Thai police would never dream of perverting the course of justice are only there to put evil criminals behind bars?

I am not saying he is guilty or innocent based on the small amount of evidence I have seen, but i think the very least he deserves is for any decent person to keep an open mind. I do know he devoted much time and energy helping many people in Phuket including myself on two occasions and helping out at Phuket bike week.

He should at least be treated as being innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt which is the case in any civilized country. Even if found guilty that really does not mean he is guilty or if that was the case then no one would ever have been executed and later been found to be innocent and exonerated.

Treat him with the respect he deserves !!

Respect! What respect does this asswi*e deserve pray tell? He's just another pathetic wannabe cop who was dealing dope. A loser who could legally don a silly uniform and then believe that he had the power to command the public. I have seen too many of these toady foreign tourist cops who are just full of their own self importance. In any civilized country these prats wouldn't even be employed as police station cleaners.

As AC/DC said, "Good riddance to bad rubbish".

Sent from my e1909c_v77_gq1008_a41_6628 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Read what I posted again, that's if you can, my first post remember. I said that if the police in Thailand arrest a person then they are automatically presumed guilty, even the courts will presume they are guilty.

Now to the second post, I think all foreign tourist cops are dregs, looking to make themselves important, losers with too many chips on their shoulders. All the ones I have seen are ignorant, rude in speech, always trying to talk down to one and basically have no manners, plus their schooling seems to have ended at 15 or 16 years old, latest.

As this thread is about Gary the presumed guilty ex.oink then I will not discuss the workings of the Thai police as they are off subject. So no comment about the Thai hot fuzz.

You seem determined to pick at me over what I said about gary the ex oink. Well, what the law books say and what actually happens in reality are very different. In reality everyone, cops, judges, lawyers, probation, automatically assume that anyone who has been arrested is guilty. Thailand always has been that a person is guilty until you can prove their innocence, and normally innocence comes at a high price. Either one pays the police off before going to court, or if the case reaches the court, then one needs to pay the prosecutor and/or judge. Thai jails are full of poor people, as the rich manage to always slide away. When a person claims innocence, their trial will always happen many years later, as the courts blackmail a person into saying guilty. For a guilty plea the sentence will be reduced by half but when a person gets found guilty, and the poor always do, then the person gets double jail time. Gary oink is going to be in jail for quite some time, then deported and blacklisted (100 years).

As for my education level, well, I maybe a bit stupid at times but I'm certainly not that daft to get involved with asswi*e foreigners who wear stupid tourist cop uniforms. Happy now? Finished your silly little crusade now?

Edited January 22, 2014 by Hawk

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I have no respect for tourist police volunteers as they must have mental problems to want to bust their fellow countrymen but I feel sorry for this guy; he looks a wretched human being in the picture. I hope he comes through this a better man.

I thought the TPVs were set up to help the tourist if he got into a bit of strife, I was involved in an accident last year in Pattaya and was advised to ring the tourist police for advice and help I was told there is nothing they can do and would not even speak to me, or help me in the Pattaya police station, accident was not my fault but was initially blamed anyway, was never charged with anything or finger printed but cost me heaps in time and money to get my passport back

Tourist cops will help put you in jail quick enough though. Some time ago I saw two foreign tourist pigs demanding to see a white guy's passport, they even threatened to "arrest" him if he refused to show them, like <deleted>, who gives these oinks the right to check a person's visa status! Thailand has really become a weird country, how many other countries have foreigners legally dressed up as cops, and apparently giving them the powers to detain, harass and even arrest other foreigners? What next, permission to carry guns?

Sheriffs used to make cowboys..and Indians...their deputies ...same same

No its not! Cowboys and Indians were all "classed" as Americans. So is Gary oink Asian now or is he a still just a white foreigner from a land across the seas? Edited January 22, 2014 by Hawk