Political motive suspected in shooting of red-shirt leader Kwanchai

[tingtongteesood]

Brilliant deduction Watson. Now can you tell us some thing we don't know. Like who did it.

I think the media has more sense than some. They will wait for the facts

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Ah here is today's statement of the day.. The media having more sense? Has anyone been reading the verbal diarrhea coming from the Nation.....

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The reports from the Nation are positively awesome when compared to the 'verbal diarrhea' that keeps coming from you....

[crazykopite]

No doubt Suthep,will claim it was self inflicted or that his own followers did it . I do not have an allegiance for either red or yellow I just wish that the good people of Thailand can learn to live with each other. The man in Dubai love him or hate him gave the people of Thailand rich and poor the right to vote , an election was held and the party chosen by the voters who is this man Suthep who claims the people do not want the government elect as yet I have not seen the millions he claimed would be on the streets in protest Suthep was and has been invited by the then pm to sit down and discuss his concerns and issues he declined his party also withdrew from registration to be voted for in the next elections WHY because this man has a personnel hatred for the man in Dubai all this is for his own self gratification I for one hope to see him languish in jail by the end of the year for the crimes he has committed

[john stevens]

great photo of the bib ... what is it with all the finger pointing they all look like they have the I.Q. of <deleted> peanut ...they look more like the 3 stooges ..

this place is joke ... god alone knows the rest of the world must think about thailand now ....melt down time is not that far away ....

[pantareiyingluck]

I thought he might not have paid his noodle soup a day earlier. So the motive is political. That is sad and great news.

[Ricardo]

No doubt Suthep,will claim it was self inflicted or that his own followers did it . I do not have an allegiance for either red or yellow I just wish that the good people of Thailand can learn to live with each other. The man in Dubai love him or hate him gave the people of Thailand rich and poor the right to vote , an election was held and the party chosen by the voters who is this man Suthep who claims the people do not want the government elect as yet I have not seen the millions he claimed would be on the streets in protest Suthep was and has been invited by the then pm to sit down and discuss his concerns and issues he declined his party also withdrew from registration to be voted for in the next elections WHY because this man has a personnel hatred for the man in Dubai all this is for his own self gratification I for one hope to see him languish in jail by the end of the year for the crimes he has committed

"gave the people of Thailand rich and poor the right to vote "

Did Thai people really not have the right to vote, before Thaksin came along, I thought there were occasional-elections since 1932-or-so ?

[smutcakes]

There are some mighty poor assassins knocking around LOS. Its almost as if they are paid by the round fired rather than completing the job properly.

[chooka]

Brilliant deduction Watson. Now can you tell us some we don't know. Like who did it.

But some Thai Visa experts have determined that it was a crime of passion or a bad business deal anything but politics because that could implicate the gentle peace loving Suthep and his supporters.

Personally I think I will go with the BIB on this one.

What is it the red lovers keep saying every time the protestors are attacked...?...oh yeah, he shot himself to try and get sympathy for his side - I don't believe that any more now than I did any time you red sheeple said that over the last month....

As I have said numerous times before, I am definitely not a red lover and despise them just as much I do Suthep and his band of lunatics. I do not blame them tho for all the ills of Thailand or for all the violence that happens. I personally believe that the reds, yellows and Suthep clowns are all equally responsible for the acts of violence and if that makes me a red sheep then so be it but I see myself as neutral.

[promatrix]

Another red-shirt hard-liner, Yossawaris Chuklom, aka Jeng Dokchik, said Kwanchai's shooting might be a result of the ongoing political conflict because Kwanchai was very vocal in his opinions.

"I want to tell those behind this attack that we are all Thais. Even though we have different political points of view, there is no need to use violence like this shooting." he added.

Now, look, who is talking.

[animatic]

No doubt Suthep,will claim it was self inflicted or that his own followers did it . I do not have an allegiance for either red or yellow I just wish that the good people of Thailand can learn to live with each other. The man in Dubai love him or hate him gave the people of Thailand rich and poor the right to vote , an election was held and the party chosen by the voters who is this man Suthep who claims the people do not want the government elect as yet I have not seen the millions he claimed would be on the streets in protest Suthep was and has been invited by the then pm to sit down and discuss his concerns and issues he declined his party also withdrew from registration to be voted for in the next elections WHY because this man has a personnel hatred for the man in Dubai all this is for his own self gratification I for one hope to see him languish in jail by the end of the year for the crimes he has committed

"...The man in Dubai love him or hate him gave the people of Thailand rich and poor the right to vote..."

Utter <deleted>.

The follow, nearly incomprehensible on run on sentence is also full of <deleted> too.

As to personal hatred, it's been come by honestly:

The man in Dubai has been trying to have him sentenced for murder

for doing exactly the same job that his sister is faced with doing now.

And then waving the amnesty flag to let him off from the trumped up charges,

while giving himself a free pass for all crimes in the past.

Why would there be ANY liking for the man?

In an amount?

[soi41]

Political motive possible!!

[soi41]

No doubt Suthep,will claim it was self inflicted or that his own followers did it . I do not have an allegiance for either red or yellow I just wish that the good people of Thailand can learn to live with each other. The man in Dubai love him or hate him gave the people of Thailand rich and poor the right to vote , an election was held and the party chosen by the voters who is this man Suthep who claims the people do not want the government elect as yet I have not seen the millions he claimed would be on the streets in protest Suthep was and has been invited by the then pm to sit down and discuss his concerns and issues he declined his party also withdrew from registration to be voted for in the next elections WHY because this man has a personnel hatred for the man in Dubai all this is for his own self gratification I for one hope to see him languish in jail by the end of the year for the crimes he has committed

"...The man in Dubai love him or hate him gave the people of Thailand rich and poor the right to vote..."

Utter <deleted>.

The follow, nearly incomprehensible on run on sentence is also full of <deleted> too.

As to personal hatred, it's been come by honestly:

The man in Dubai has been trying to have him sentenced for murder

for doing exactly the same job that his sister is faced with doing now.

And then waving the amnesty flag to let him off from the trumped up charges,

while giving himself a free pass for all crimes in the past.

Why would there be ANY liking for the man?

In an amount?

Easy guys! It is only an internet forum! Have another beer!

[JRSoul]

Jeng, out on bail from a 2 year LM jail sentence, wears a red shirt to cover the wide yellow streak down his back. In 2010 he was quite happy to badmouth the King while exhorting his red mates to fight to the death, but like the rest of the red hero leaders surrendered without mussing his hair when push came to shove.

Soon as the bullets start flying, he's all peace, love and anti-violence. "We are all Thais......", well except for the Cambodians.

[Tatsujin]

Brilliant deduction Watson. Now can you tell us some we don't know. Like who did it.

But some Thai Visa experts have determined that it was a crime of passion or a bad business deal anything but politics because that could implicate the gentle peace loving Suthep and his supporters.

Personally I think I will go with the BIB on this one.

And just as easily implicate PTP, his red shirt rivals, the UT MPs or the military he's pissed off. Enemies are often much closer to home, and often '"related".

But as a trained police officer you would know that, and never jump to a convenient or biased conclusion would you?

Which force is it again?

chooka's a Policeman? Really? That kind of makes sense if he was RTP . . . blind devotion to dear leader, follows orders without question, incapable of independent thought, quick to come up with wildly inaccurate conspiracy theories, swallows red propaganda hook, line and sinker etc . . . now it all makes sense!

[bigbamboo]

Brilliant deduction Watson. Now can you tell us some thing we don't know. Like who did it.

Just wait until Chalerm sobers up and he'll give you the full SP.

[siampolee]

When one invests in the Thai political stock market there are of course risks.

Sometimes the return dividends are excellent, sometimes they are not, sometimes a rapid dividend repayment sometimes a slow dividend repayment.

The Thai political stock market is a volatile place and has at times a somewhat explosive atmosphere as we are currently seeing.

A disgruntled shareholder, a disgruntled backer, a partner frozen out of the Thai political share flotation, a Thai political splinter group(s) rival who knows ?

Playing the explosive Thai political stock market can sometimes be somewhat dramatic in its results.

[Scamper]

The attack against Kwanchai was detestable, and we should all pray for his recovery. But it should also be noted that his rhetoric - like so many red shirt leaders in Isaan - with or without a radio or TV following - is well and beyond political opinion. It is doubtful - in Chalerm's present quest to purity the media - that he will spend much time contemplating the rhetoric applied in these broadcasts. And that is regrettable - because in 2010 it approached insurrection levels, with calls to burn provincial offices. That was not - nor should it now - ever be regarded as - opinion.

[Jonmarleesco]

Poltical motive? They don't say? Question is whether they were dressed in black, brown, yellow, red, or any other colour with a mission.

Meanwhile, to the reporting.

'Kwanchai Praipana was shot and critically injured ... He was rushed to Ake-udorn hospital ... as he was hit on the chest ... he was seen coming out of the office.'

Courtesy of Thai PBS
The Broadcaster You Can Trust - 22/1/14

'Kwanchai was reading a newspaper in front of his home ... ... police chief Pol Maj-General Boonleu Korbangyang said the Khon Rak Udon group chairman was wounded in his right arm and leg and taken to Aek Udon Hospital ... ... Kwanchai was reported to be stable and recovering.'

The Nation - 23/1/14

Now, which was right? The broadcaster we can trust, getting its collective knickers in a twist, or the Nation, a day later, so likely with more accurate reporting?

And who manages to count the number of rounds being fired from an AK47 - or any gun - when it's happening? Or have the police diligently picked up 42 casings, bearing in mind how many probably landed in the bed of the truck?

[Jonmarleesco]

The attack against Kwanchai was detestable, and we should all pray for his recovery. But it should also be noted that his rhetoric - like so many red shirt leaders in Isaan - with or without a radio or TV following - is well and beyond political opinion. It is doubtful - in Chalerm's present quest to purity the media - that he will spend much time contemplating the rhetoric applied in these broadcasts. And that is regrettable - because in 2010 it approached insurrection levels, with calls to burn provincial offices. That was not - nor should it now - ever be regarded as - opinion.

I'm not sure that Chalerm spends much time contemplating anything.

[Fryslan boppe]

'...red-shirt hard-liner Kwanchai Praipana..."

Huh?...Hardliner?.....He is a regional UDD/Red Shirt leader for sure, but what makes that a 'Hardliner?....Is that a not-so-subtle attempt to characterize Red shirts as being anarchic and radical?....Are there PAD-Dem hardliners?.....I am sure there are, but I don't recall them being referred to as such.

Back to this shooting and explosions of late.....A case could be made that this is all the work of those on the political side of the coup-mongers, either directly or indirectly, regardless of which side it is perpetrated against....One only needs to ask, "whose agenda do they serve?.....It certainly doesn't serve the pro-electoral and pro-Democratic agenda of the UDD/RS/PTP....They simply want a peaceful expediting of the election on Feb. 2nd....All this mayhem works against that agenda...

[mrtoad]

Well you dont have to be Sherlocke Holmes to figure that one out lol

Who needs Sherlock, when we have Chalermlock, possibly the greatest super sleuth in his own drinks cabinet.

[citizen33]

As to personal hatred, it's been come by honestly:

The man in Dubai has been trying to have him sentenced for murder

for doing exactly the same job that his sister is faced with doing now.

Funny how the 'live fire' zones and 90 or so deaths (admittedly not all on the red side) are never part of your narrative. The fires happened after the blood had flowed, including that of innocent people shot in a temple by troops. It is hard to forget the coffins coming home to Isaan, and that may help to explain the widespread hatred of the Democrats in that region. The perception of many north-eastern redshirts is that the Bangkok elite cared far more about the property damage than the lives of brown skinned people To her credit Yingluck has done nothing like that.

Edited January 23, 2014 by citizen33

[metisdead]

A post in all caps has been removed. Another post making derogatory generalizations toward Thais have been removed.

[animatic]

As to personal hatred, it's been come by honestly:

The man in Dubai has been trying to have him sentenced for murder

for doing exactly the same job that his sister is faced with doing now.

Funny how the 'live fire' zones and 90 or so deaths (admittedly not all on the red side) are never part of your narrative. The fires happened after the blood had flowed, including that of innocent people shot in a temple by troops. It is hard to forget the coffins coming home to Isaan, and that may help to explain the widespread hatred of the Democrats in that region. The perception of many north-eastern redshirts is that the Bangkok elite cared far more about the property damage than the lives of brown skinned people To her credit Yingluck has done nothing like that.

Or the earlier set of bodies coming from the other side.

All part of the same Machiavellian lust for power and revenge using the poor as a weapon.

To put it in perspective, who came first the cart or the horse?

Who has pushed the issue as hard as possible for a decade for his personal aggrandisement?

The instigator has more culpability than the pawns, or those who have no choice to react to his moves.

[kikoman]

Suthep has absolutely no quarrel with Kwanchai. Suthep wants the Shinawats to leave politics, he is not anti red shirts.

And Kwanchai is irrelevant, spurned by the other red leaders and sometimes by Thaksin, he is seens as a buffoon with a big mouth.

He has plenty of enemies, what better time for a rival to take a pot shot,( hopelessly amateur as it was), than during a time of national political conflict when it's easy to get fingers pointing at the 'other side'.

Maybe he does not have any quarrels with Kwanchai, but not to long ago Kwanchai placed a 500,000 baht bounty on Suthep T., (If he was so desperate to stop an election that early voting is just 3 days away)!

Would not that Red Shirt Leader be a great person to assassinate, to cause a violent Red Shirt backlash, that would be cause for the Army to stage a coup.

Suthep is desperate, the court will not charge Yingluck before the election as he had prayed for!

Cheers

[Stradavarius37]

Brilliant deduction Watson. Now can you tell us some thing we don't know. Like who did it.

I think the media has more sense than some. They will wait for the facts

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Since when? Lmao

[Mudcrab]

That'll teach him for playing three Justin Beiber tracks in a row.

[tingtongteesood]

Don't try and make excuses for the burning down of buildings, there is NO excuse.....

[mikemac]

Brilliant deduction Watson. Now can you tell us some we don't know. Like who did it.

But some Thai Visa experts have determined that it was a crime of passion or a bad business deal anything but politics because that could implicate the gentle peace loving Suthep and his supporters.

Personally I think I will go with the BIB on this one.

Come on chook, why don't you just grow a pair and use a bit of common sense and admit that in this case one of the filthy red gutter rats may have turned on one of the other red rodents, for any one of a number of reasons.

Remember these are devious so-called "activists" we are dealing with here who have a long record of dirty deeds. Hollow ring to it, trying to blame Suthep for everything.

[chooka]

Brilliant deduction Watson. Now can you tell us some we don't know. Like who did it.

But some Thai Visa experts have determined that it was a crime of passion or a bad business deal anything but politics because that could implicate the gentle peace loving Suthep and his supporters.

Personally I think I will go with the BIB on this one.

Come on chook, why don't you just grow a pair and use a bit of common sense and admit that in this case one of the filthy red gutter rats may have turned on one of the other red rodents, for any one of a number of reasons.

Remember these are devious so-called "activists" we are dealing with here who have a long record of dirty deeds. Hollow ring to it, trying to blame Suthep for everything.

Come on Mikemac.

How can I do that when we are talking about Thais, regardless of colour. A Thai is a Thai and the colour of their shirt that they may be wearing doesn't mean that Somchia is less prone to violence than Tib. Geez I change my underwear everyday, well twice a day after showers.

A person on Sutheps lunatic wagon is still a Thai as the person is in a red shirt. Just because he is kissing the penis of Suthep that doesn't make him an Angel.

[Evolare]

Suthep has absolutely no quarrel with Kwanchai. Suthep wants the Shinawats to leave politics, he is not anti red shirts.

And Kwanchai is irrelevant, spurned by the other red leaders and sometimes by Thaksin, he is seen as a buffoon with a big mouth.

He has plenty of enemies, what better time for a rival to take a pot shot,( hopelessly amateur as it was), than during a time of national political conflict when it's easy to get fingers pointing at the 'other side'.

Very valid points.

A buffoon often shooting off his mouth like when he claimed he had 10 million red shirts to escort Thaksin across the Lao Friendship bridge back to Thailand. Often at odds against other red shirt leaders.

Additionally, a violent leader of red shirts in his own Udon Thani who led an unprovoked attack against PAD there.

Live by the sword and all that.

His enemy list is a long one.

Indeed and an attack like this smells more like a local rival than anything. but violence like this without any evidence who is behind it will only motivate violence by extremist groups...and this will not have a positive outcome.