Thai lady wants to sell house with daughters name on deeds

[jpinx]

A friend of mine, a Thai lady, wants to sell her house but she thinks she can not because her daughters name is on the deeds. Anyone have any experience of this situation?

[Sceptict11]

So , the question has to be asked , is it the lady attempting to sell her house or a house which belongs to someone else ?

Time for a Lawyer's opinion ?

[harrry]

If her daughter's name is on the deed and the daughter is aged less than 20 land can only be sold or borrowed on with the aproval of the court. I understand this is very rarely given. If the daughter is aged over 20 she must be the one to sell.

[jpinx]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

[jpinx]

Thanks harrry .. I was afraid that this is the case, but I wait to hear if anyone knows a circumvention

[wym]

I would think if the money were needed for medical care or education of the owner the court might approve.

At 14 they'd probably ask her what she thought.

[apiwan]

One of the better laws in Thailand

If she's the mother then she has to go to court and give very good reason for selling.

If not you gotta wait 6 yrs till she's 20,

And only daughter can sell,

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[beachproperty]

Circumvent the law?....just creates problems....

Better to keep looking for an attorney with more reasonable rates!

[Thongkorn]

whose name is on the chanut. because they have complete power over the land , unless she has borrowed on it.Then the name of the borrower will be on the back and how much, this has to be done through the Amphuer.

[JLCrab]

From Thai Civil Code:

Section 1574. A person exercising parental power cannot enter into any of the following juristic acts with regard to the property of the minor except with permission of the Court;

1. selling, exchanging, sale with right of redemption, letting out property on hire-purchase, mortgaging, releasing mortgage to

mortgagor or transferring the right of mortgage on immovable property or on mortgageable movable property;

2. - 13. follow

[bobo42]

My wife's parents used this legal status to protect themselves in the past, and my understanding is that it is not uncommon. My wife's father died when my wife was just a little kid and his family had never approved of his marriage. So of course, their first act of recourse upon his death was to attempt to evict their deceased relative's wife and daughters from their home. Luckily, having known about his own family before his death, he'd put his peice of the family land in his two daughters names. This basically made it impossible for any relatives to strong-arm the land away from MIL. After learning the status of the land, they had to just live with it, nobody could make a legal transfer without a judge's approval. Sister-in-law just recently turned old enough to finally dispose of the property some 15 years later.

[harrry]

I would think if the money were needed for medical care or education of the owner the court might approve.

At 14 they'd probably ask her what she thought.

It would have to be very very extreme. The court is very very conservative with this.

[harrry]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

No she does not own the house. Her daughter does.

[jpinx]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

No she does not own the house. Her daughter does.

Sorry if I was not clear -- Both the lady and her daughter have their names on the deeds/chanote. In the case of joint names, who can sell ?

[harrry]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

No she does not own the house. Her daughter does.

Sorry if I was not clear -- Both the lady and her daughter have their names on the deeds/chanote. In the case of joint names, who can sell ?

Still have to have court approval.

each has 50%

[jpinx]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

No she does not own the house. Her daughter does.

Sorry if I was not clear -- Both the lady and her daughter have their names on the deeds/chanote. In the case of joint names, who can sell ?

Still have to have court approval.

each has 50%

Thanks -- that's what I thought too, but I am fishing for something like parental control over the childs assets -- if it exists. Thai law appears to be anything but black-and-white so maybe there are legal ways around this.

[Thongkorn]

Just take her to the Local Amphur and ask they will tell you how it can be done, or not

[FiftyTwo]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

The court won't give her permission to sell, not a hope in hell.

She must wait until the kid is 20, then it's the kid's decision.

She is also totally prohibited from raising money against the property or any activity that will devalue the property.

PS

Why are you attempting to aid a woman stealing from her daughter?

That really isn't cool.

[EyesWideOpen]

Would be interesting to know the full story of why the daughter's name is on the chanote.

My understanding is that some farangs will put a house in the name of their daughter.

Wonder if that is the case here. .....

[jpinx]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

The court won't give her permission to sell, not a hope in hell.

She must wait until the kid is 20, then it's the kid's decision.

She is also totally prohibited from raising money against the property or any activity that will devalue the property.

PS

Why are you attempting to aid a woman stealing from her daughter?

That really isn't cool.

your PS is totally inappropriate - given your total ignorance of the background to this situation -- even moreso since you have obviously not read the thread completely.

[jpinx]

Would be interesting to know the full story of why the daughter's name is on the chanote.

My understanding is that some farangs will put a house in the name of their daughter.

Wonder if that is the case here. .....

No -- there is absolutley no farang involvement here. This was a lady protecting herself from her own ruthless family, but now things have changed and some "unravelling" is needed.

[Thongkorn]

whoever name is on the chanote has complete power of sale, unless there has been some money borrowed on the land, that will be written on the back. The Amphur will assist you and tell you what you can do

[apiwan]

Thete can't be monies owed on the land/house because a minors name is on the deed.

Might be just me.

But I smell a rat here

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[FritsSikkink]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

It is a simple case her name is not on the deeds so she doesn't own the house.

[belg]

and is that your problem, OP?

or is that woman ur GF?

[jackinbkk]

Amazing how these things happen so often. Wanting to sell what's not yours.

[FiftyTwo]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

The court won't give her permission to sell, not a hope in hell.

She must wait until the kid is 20, then it's the kid's decision.

She is also totally prohibited from raising money against the property or any activity that will devalue the property.

PS

Why are you attempting to aid a woman stealing from her daughter?

That really isn't cool.

your PS is totally inappropriate - given your total ignorance of the background to this situation -- even moreso since you have obviously not read the thread completely.

I'm sorry, but what you are attempting to do is just wrong, legally and morally wrong.

[phka]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

The court won't give her permission to sell, not a hope in hell.

She must wait until the kid is 20, then it's the kid's decision.

She is also totally prohibited from raising money against the property or any activity that will devalue the property.

PS

Why are you attempting to aid a woman stealing from her daughter?

That really isn't cool.

just curious would the child be prohibited from raising money against the property , such as renting it out, or borrowing money and using the house as security

[FiftyTwo]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

The court won't give her permission to sell, not a hope in hell.

She must wait until the kid is 20, then it's the kid's decision.

She is also totally prohibited from raising money against the property or any activity that will devalue the property.

PS

Why are you attempting to aid a woman stealing from her daughter?

That really isn't cool.

just curious would the child be prohibited from raising money against the property , such as renting it out, or borrowing money and using the house as security

Renting it out is OK.

Leasing the property or borrowing against the property is not OK

[harrry]

it's a simple case,she owns the house and lives in it with her daughter. When she bought the house she put her daughter's name on the deeds - I don't know why. Now the daughter is 14 and she has been told that she must go to court to get permission to sell the house. The fees she has been quoted are huge - hence the query here to see if anyone has similar experience and how they got around it.

The court won't give her permission to sell, not a hope in hell.

She must wait until the kid is 20, then it's the kid's decision.

She is also totally prohibited from raising money against the property or any activity that will devalue the property.

PS

Why are you attempting to aid a woman stealing from her daughter?

That really isn't cool.

just curious would the child be prohibited from raising money against the property , such as renting it out, or borrowing money and using the house as security

It can be rented on short term leases, it can be farmed but leases over 3 years need registration and thus are banned. The house cannot be used as any form of security.

In some cases changing the nature of the ground could be prohibited.

I had thought the court would grant loans for education as allowed but apparently they are very reluctant to do this.