Internet date goes bad

[JLCrab]

I'll write where and how I please. You are one of most consistently mean and vicious persons on here repeatedly calling other members delusional losers who never got a girl back home and only can get one here by paying for some over the hill poverty stricken trout -- and if they choose to bring any fiances into the equation they are SUCKAS. All I can say is, you must have some need to vent on this website because if you ever said some of the things you routinely say on here to some guys in person, you wouldn't have very many teeth left.

Now you can put me on ignore yourself.

Oh boo hoo, go tell it to the judge.

There is nothing mean or vicious about saying that men who couldn't get the girl back home and have no alternative but to pay their way into a woman's pants aren't the best people to take dating advice from.

It's a bloody fact

There's nothing mean or vicious about saying that much of the time, men who bring money into the equation with dodgy women here ARE suckas and will get hosed.

It's a bloody fact

If you are or have been represented in one or both of those examples then clearly, the truth is excruciatingly painful for you.

Tough. Get over it.

How ironic that you should suggest that my saying things in public that I say on here would see me relieved of my teeth. I seem to recall that the last time you decided to stick your big nose in my business and found yourself outwitted at every turn, in your raging frustration, you resorted to using some rather predictable racist slurs when you weren't able to make your point like a real man.

Seriously, you're not even worth putting on ignore - you don't even register on my annoyance gauge

What I'm saying is simple: Just why is it that you are the only person on this entire website who routinely feels the need to degrade other persons?

[FiftyTwo]

Again.....Women and men have the same sex drive, just with different approach.

Women who have had babies usually have very little sex drive.

PAyment for sex.

When interacting with a new lover, I always leave 500bht on the bedside table, when I go for a shower.

Up to them if they take it or not.

Trouble is, so far they all took it ..........

Edited January 29, 2014 by FiftyTwo

[HardenedSoul]

What I'm saying is simple: Just why is it that you are the only person on this entire website who routinely feels the need to degrade other persons?

Sure, I'll take a dig at a particular group but no more than any other poster who might take issue with groups who claim to be offended by the word "farang" or groups who claim to be 40 yr old retired internet millionaires or groups who think they'll be hacked to death for taking a stand against dual pricing

I will get personal if someone - like you - sees fit to attack me for expressing a perfectly valid opinion.

Again, if you don't like what I write, then put me on ignore.

Frankly, I don't much care for what you write either but, unlike you, I don't feel the need to pipe up and take a personal dig at you

Want proof of that? Go back on this thread and see where you kicked things off.

You're still a racist bigot but as I've met so many of you and you're all the same - inadequate - I'll just say this . . . interaction with you and your kind is neither wanted nor required.

Stay out of my business and the board's big enough for both of us

Edited January 29, 2014 by HardenedSoul

[Beetlejuice]

I'll write where and how I please. You are one of most consistently mean and vicious persons on here repeatedly calling other members delusional losers who never got a girl back home and only can get one here by paying for some over the hill poverty stricken trout -- and if they choose to bring any fiances into the equation they are SUCKAS. All I can say is, you must have some need to vent on this website because if you ever said some of the things you routinely say on here to some guys in person, you wouldn't have very many teeth left.

Now you can put me on ignore yourself.

Oh boo hoo, go tell it to the judge.

There is nothing mean or vicious about saying that men who couldn't get the girl back home and have no alternative but to pay their way into a woman's pants aren't the best people to take dating advice from.

It's a bloody fact

There's nothing mean or vicious about saying that much of the time, men who bring money into the equation with dodgy women here ARE suckas and will get hosed.

It's a bloody fact

If you are or have been represented in one or both of those examples then clearly, the truth is excruciatingly painful for you.

Tough. Get over it.

How ironic that you should suggest that my saying things in public that I say on here would see me relieved of my teeth. I seem to recall that the last time you decided to stick your big nose in my business and found yourself outwitted at every turn, in your raging frustration, you resorted to using some rather predictable racist slurs when you weren't able to make your point like a real man.

Seriously, you're not even worth putting on ignore - you don't even register on my annoyance gauge

[addy77]

I'm the OP and I'm looking for love. I don't want to waste time getting to know a woman only to find out we're not sexually compatible/no chemistry or she has hangups about sex (pain). So to some degree, I'd prefer having sex on day 1. Like others have mentioned, most dates with Thai women end up in bed and this is women from all walks of life and income/education levels.

Given the dating sites asks candidates to indicate what they are looking for: friendship, marriage, etc. I think it's nervy of any woman to write she wants a husband and (without uttering a word prior about payment), she turns around asking for payment later. It's cheeky and not welcomed. Not about being a scammer or cheap charlie or rape. It's about what's right or wrong. To then try forcing her way back into my condo afterwards was uncessary and I used just the right amount of force as I hope my family would use if an intruder tried to do the same.

[JLCrab]

Don't you tell me where to go -- There isn't anyone on this whole entire website who uses the words loser, stupid, sucka, old fart, and a few others so routinely. i don't know why you think it is your place to do so.

[FiftyTwo]

I'm the OP and I'm looking for love. I don't want to waste time getting to know a woman only to find out we're not sexually compatible/no chemistry or she has hangups about sex (pain). So to some degree, I'd prefer having sex on day 1. Like others have mentioned, most dates with Thai women end up in bed and this is women from all walks of life and income/education levels.

Given the dating sites asks candidates to indicate what they are looking for: friendship, marriage, etc. I think it's nervy of any woman to write she wants a husband and (without uttering a word prior about payment), she turns around asking for payment later. It's cheeky and not welcomed. Not about being a scammer or cheap charlie or rape. It's about what's right or wrong. To then try forcing her way back into my condo afterwards was uncessary and I used just the right amount of force as I hope my family would use if an intruder tried to do the same.

A "love hotel" might be a better option for the first time.

Taking a stranger back to your room has many potential risks.

Edited January 29, 2014 by FiftyTwo

[HardenedSoul]

Don't you tell me where to go -- There isn't anyone on this whole entire website who uses the words loser, stupid, sucka, old fart, and a few others so routinely. i don't know why you think it is your place to do so.

[montereyjp]

you are making this to complicated. it is simple, good girls would never agree to meet you at your place. if they agree right off to come to your apartment they are p4p girls whether they admit it or not. in the future meet them in public to vent them or again if they agree to meet at your place the first time then they are experienced p4p girls.

[marstons]

OP, if you want the girl to be honest about compensation, then you should be equally honest as well. Meaning, you should tell her from the outset that you're only interested in free sex.

Contrary what people say here...Very many good girls will go to your place on the first date to have sex....even just hours after meeting, very many, but good girls will feel insulted if you ask how much its want for sex....If you need to ask, it is just because you are not very sure about what kind of woman are you dealing to. In that case, and if you are looking for free sex, do not ask, do not take to your place, and let it go. Most of the times Thai women do not understand English well, but will make you believe the opposite, and that is a recipe for wrong interpretation and problems.

Again.....Women and men have the same sex drive, just with different approach. Bar girls and prostitutes have other interest attached with that, and sex drive doesn't count, to fake it well counts. It is part of the "job".

With so many good girls in Thailand looking in have a good time...why take risk with bad girls?

Sorry..I do not get it.

That is complete and utter nonsense. I have a half Thai daughter, she and her friends are conservative, have long term boyfriends..this is the norm..

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Take it you not been out with many Bangkok office girls, often its made clear they here for a weekend away where nobody from work can see. Often there has been chat on internet for a month or so. University certainly liberates them and changes them from being conservative. Its not nonsense at all its a fact i know from experience. Many have good jobs, cars and houses but fancy a bit of fun. Unless you have been there and tired it you would not know. I certainly was conservative in my mums eyes even as a guy, but that's the image most children want to project to parents.

[meom]

Again.....Women and men have the same sex drive, just with different approach.

Women who have had babies usually have very little sex drive.

PAyment for sex.

When interacting with a new lover, I always leave 500bht on the bedside table, when I go for a shower.

Up to them if they take it or not.

Trouble is, so far they all took it ..........

LOL

Which shower. The one before sex or after sex?

[FiftyTwo]

Again.....Women and men have the same sex drive, just with different approach.

Women who have had babies usually have very little sex drive.

PAyment for sex.

When interacting with a new lover, I always leave 500bht on the bedside table, when I go for a shower.

Up to them if they take it or not.

Trouble is, so far they all took it ..........

LOL

Which shower. The one before sex or after sex?

After of course.

[billSMITH]

go look for love where eveyone else does. Pattaya, nana plaza, or soi cowboy!

[Showbags]

Again.....Women and men have the same sex drive, just with different approach.

Women who have had babies usually have very little sex drive.

PAyment for sex.

When interacting with a new lover, I always leave 500bht on the bedside table, when I go for a shower.

Up to them if they take it or not.

Trouble is, so far they all took it ..........

....frogshit...

[expatoz]

you can have bad sex but always a good pull

[rayongchelsea]

OP, if you want the girl to be honest about compensation, then you should be equally honest as well. Meaning, you should tell her from the outset that you're only interested in free sex.

Contrary what people say here...Very many good girls will go to your place on the first date to have sex....even just hours after meeting, very many, but good girls will feel insulted if you ask how much its want for sex....If you need to ask, it is just because you are not very sure about what kind of woman are you dealing to. In that case, and if you are looking for free sex, do not ask, do not take to your place, and let it go. Most of the times Thai women do not understand English well, but will make you believe the opposite, and that is a recipe for wrong interpretation and problems.

Again.....Women and men have the same sex drive, just with different approach. Bar girls and prostitutes have other interest attached with that, and sex drive doesn't count, to fake it well counts. It is part of the "job".

With so many good girls in Thailand looking in have a good time...why take risk with bad girls?

Sorry..I do not get it.

That is complete and utter nonsense. I have a half Thai daughter, she and her friends are conservative, have long term boyfriends..this is the norm..

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Take it you not been out with many Bangkok office girls, often its made clear they here for a weekend away where nobody from work can see. Often there has been chat on internet for a month or so. University certainly liberates them and changes them from being conservative. Its not nonsense at all its a fact i know from experience. Many have good jobs, cars and houses but fancy a bit of fun. Unless you have been there and tired it you would not know. I certainly was conservative in my mums eyes even as a guy, but that's the image most children want to project to parents.

Maybe..no I am to old for office girls, but I have worked with many in very big Thai companies and the farang does not register to the majority...it's not the norm..good luck otherwise...

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[wym]

I'm the OP and I'm looking for love. I don't want to waste time getting to know a woman only to find out we're not sexually compatible/no chemistry or she has hangups about sex (pain). So to some degree, I'd prefer having sex on day 1. Like others have mentioned, most dates with Thai women end up in bed and this is women from all walks of life and income/education levels.

Given the dating sites asks candidates to indicate what they are looking for: friendship, marriage, etc. I think it's nervy of any woman to write she wants a husband and (without uttering a word prior about payment), she turns around asking for payment later. It's cheeky and not welcomed. Not about being a scammer or cheap charlie or rape. It's about what's right or wrong. To then try forcing her way back into my condo afterwards was uncessary and I used just the right amount of force as I hope my family would use if an intruder tried to do the same.

Do what you like, just know here in Thailand the rules are often quite different from what YOU may think is right, and the tactics you're talking about could quite easily bring you some very unpleasant unintended consequences.

If you do this sort of thing frequently, then inevitably so I'm afraid.

My advice is to go for the freebies as much as you like, but when it turns out to be a pro pay up, sometimes even higher than you would have agreed to in advance.

Should still come out cheap for you, and a lot safer.

Of course real more general advice is to always settle on a price first and toss those offering freebies out on their ear, but. . .

[Tmymaimee]

The obvious question is 1) Why did she lie on her profile about looking for marriage and 2) Why did she not mention about money prior to sex?

I have been in the same circumstances and every time, its because she knows if she asked for money straight up, she would be discarded.

No different than if you were invited to try out a timeshare and the next day they present you a hotel bill. Or offered a food sample then after eating, presented a bill when they knew damn well you would have said no at the outset if they tried to sell it to you.

Its called LYING!!! Disgusting behaviour. No different than a guy pretending to look for marriage when he just wants to get laid.

If I am going to pay, she better be damn hot. Most internet girls I have met are 6 - 6.5s and they are the better ones. If one of them had the nerve to ask me for money after sex, I would just throw them out the door immediately.

Years back, I met an okay looking hooker and told her she could sleep over but no way would I pay her. She agreed and the next morning, asked for 1000 baht. I told her to <deleted> off and she went mental; started slamming doors, screaming and then climbed to the top railing of my Holiday Inn room and said she was going to jump. I gave in as if she slipped, I would be going to jail after the neighbours heard all the screaming. Great lay though….wild girl….probably an ice addict. Addicts always good in bed it seems…not sure why..

[arthurwait]

The obvious question is 1) Why did she lie on her profile about looking for marriage and 2) Why did she not mention about money prior to sex?

I have been in the same circumstances and every time, its because she knows if she asked for money straight up, she would be discarded.

No different than if you were invited to try out a timeshare and the next day they present you a hotel bill. Or offered a food sample then after eating, presented a bill when they knew dam_n well you would have said no at the outset if they tried to sell it to you.

Its called LYING!!! Disgusting behaviour. No different than a guy pretending to look for marriage when he just wants to get laid.

If I am going to pay, she better be dam_n hot. Most internet girls I have met are 6 - 6.5s and they are the better ones. If one of them had the nerve to ask me for money after sex, I would just throw them out the door immediately.

Years back, I met an okay looking hooker and told her she could sleep over but no way would I pay her. She agreed and the next morning, asked for 1000 baht. I told her to <deleted> off and she went mental; started slamming doors, screaming and then climbed to the top railing of my Holiday Inn room and said she was going to jump. I gave in as if she slipped, I would be going to jail after the neighbours heard all the screaming. Great lay though….wild girl….probably an ice addict. Addicts always good in bed it seems…not sure why..

Lucky Heather .

[arthurwait]

Maybe..no I am to old for office girls, but I have worked with many in very big Thai companies and the farang does not register to the majority...it's not the norm..good luck otherwise...

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Depends what you look like.

[HardenedSoul]

Maybe..no I am to old for office girls, but I have worked with many in very big Thai companies and the farang does not register to the majority...it's not the norm..good luck otherwise...

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Depends what you look like.

Yep, pretty much

[F4UCorsair]

you can have bad sex but always a good pull

But even bad sex is better than a good day at work!

[wym]

barely relevant, but cute

[JeffreyWitty]

OP,

It's clear you don't know this trick - but when partying in PATs, have YOUR hotel room and a spare cheap boom-boom room rented at another locate. Never let em know where you are really located.

Baring that - just rent from a hotel that WILL NOT allow anyone up in the rooms unless they have ID and escort from someone renting the room. This will keep the roughneck taxi boys away.

[rayongchelsea]

Maybe..no I am to old for office girls, but I have worked with many in very big Thai companies and the farang does not register to the majority...it's not the norm..good luck otherwise...

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Depends what you look like.

Yep, pretty much

pretty..not much!!!

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[RecklessRon]

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[RecklessRon]

Yes both my mother and my sister have a very healthy sex life thanks.

Geez are you from a fundamentalist culture or something?

No-strings-attached sex is a way of life for many many people all around the world, nothing immoral about it for the women any more than for the men. Even with dozens of strangers per month, with the same sex, or large groups at a time, whatever floats your boat is OK.

That's why they're called consenting adults.

Only if deceit or coercion enters the picture does anyone have the right to object or interfere.

Actually there IS something IMMORAL about it. According to the 'norms' of western society anyone who sleeps around is immoral by definition, although whether the majority of Thais have those same morals is debatable and we ARE in Thailand.

IMHO: It is not, however, unethical nor does it make you a 'bad' or 'inferior' person but you can't violate the rules of morality held by the majority of society and still claim to be moral. Better to say you are ethical or honest! So... whether or not being immoral, according to Western society, is acceptable or a 'bad thing' is up to you, your conscience, your family and your friends.

I have many ex-pat friends who are 'butterflies' with zero interest in anything but short time relationships. Some like to know the cost and prefer to pay up front for their sex - how and when they want with whomever they want. A few of them are amongst the most honest, trustworthy and ethical people I know but I wouldn't call any of them moral!

FYI: Ethics vs morals (from the link): Although the words are often used as synonyms, morals are beliefs based on practices or teachings regarding how people conduct themselves in personal relationships and in society, while ethics refers to a set or system of principles, or a philosophy or theory behind them.

[wym]

OK, point made. By your logic campaigning against the death penalty would be immoral?

I personally have no desire to let the "moral majority" dictate the rules I live by, and to depart from mainstream norms is not in any way "immoral" AFAIC.

And I think you've very out of touch anyway with the fact that morals on this particular issue have radically changed over the past few decades.

Gay rights are a great example.

[RecklessRon]

OK, point made. By your logic campaigning against the death penalty would be immoral?

I personally have no desire to let the "moral majority" dictate the rules I live by, and to depart from mainstream norms is not in any way "immoral" AFAIC.

And I think you've very out of touch anyway with the fact that morals on this particular issue have radically changed over the past few decades.

Gay rights are a great example.

Actually I wasn't talking about my own personal opinion I was talking about semantics - the MEANING of the words being used. I don't personally attach any negative connotations to "butterfly's" other than I don't want to be dating one or be in a position to rely on one for anything critically important.

Again, I stress, use the word ethics, honour or legal and you would be fine but your personal choices, opinions and actions have nothing to do with the actual meaning of the words. If you think it is moral to 'butterfly' that is your opinion, I do not believe that the majority of society agrees with you. Personally I think marijuana should be legal and it is both unethical and immoral to lock up users and ruin their lives. That, unfortunately doesn't alter reality - marijuana is still illegal and those who put users in jail are not seen as unethical or immoral!

FYI: I am 55 and was raised much differently that someone who is 25. I was brought up that all should be treated equally and fairly. All meaning EVERYONE regardless of their race, creed, colour, gender or sexual orientation (or their personal choice to be a butterfly, ). Those values are still being fought against by the 'moral majority' but I believe my generation has made great strides in that direction. Perhaps in 30 years the values held by 20-somethings will be in the majority but for now I do believe the majority see having lots of different partners as a character flaw. Some will say it shows you are shallow, unstable, lack commitment, may not be capable or have a fear of intimacy, are still immature, etc.

Q: If you were forming a business and had to choose between a partner who has been married for 20 years and owns a home or a partner who lives in a different apt every few years and switches sexual partners like most people change their jeans - with all other factors being exactly equal - can you not see that one is clearly a 'safer' choice than the other?

IMHO: Stability is an important trait and 'butterflies' just cannot be as stable as non-butterflies. (of course that is a generalization and doesn't mean that any particular butterfly is less stable than any other particular non-butterfly so I take things on a case-by-case basis, eh!)

Added:

I don't follow your logic 'campaigning against the death penalty is immoral'. Does society see standing up for your beliefs as immoral? I don't think so. Exercising those beliefs MIGHT be immoral, according to society, but campaigning for them? I don't think so. I do think that killing someone should be illegal and that murderers are immoral, which includes the state. That would mean, IMHO, it IS moral to campaign against and, perhaps, it could be seen as immoral (in your context) to campaign FOR the death penalty. Personally I am against the death penalty but I don't think those campaigning FOR the death penalty are immoral - just misguided, perhaps stupid, narrow minded, uninformed or brainwashed, ignorant (perhaps willfully so), and probably Republican...

Edited February 1, 2014 by RecklessRon

[wym]

It seems we still disagree about the semantics.

According to my system of ethics, there is nothing immoral about someone engaging in whatever sexual practices he likes with however many and whomever he prefers as often as he likes, as long as everyone is consenting.

The issues of stability for business or whatever purposes, or maturity or armchair psych etc all have nothing to do IMO with morality or ethics.

And IMO neither do the beliefs of mainstream society whether here or back home, each of us are responsible for drawing our lines where we choose for our own behavior, and don't have anything to say about that of others unless it causes us harm.