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[Showbags]

Title: What would you do faced with narrow minded ?

I tell the narrow minded man that his idea is great! and give him my piece of land.

clear as mud

[jacko45k]

and now you have a property with no access (to)...

And a neighbour who is pissed at you.

Not good in rural Thailand.

I can see 2 points here...

1) Neighbour changed his mind after thinking about it.

2) He didn't want OPs decision or plans to cost him in any way, be it monetary or just many m3 of dirt.

Not surprising that he went against his 'word ' as he saw some advantage and could get more out of the deal.

I hope it doesn't escalate.

Explain what more he could get out of the deal...as it is, he has fallen flat and got sweet FA out of it....his decision.

Dirt.... quite expensive. And land......

You said you wanted to take 1/2 of the new road from the ground on his land.

And give 1/2 of his road land to be government land, perhaps 50 tw of it.

Perhaps he likes owning the road, and the 50TW.

My TGF went through similar, as her land was 'locked'... fortunately the plot between her and the road was owned by a friendly (and poor) aunt and she bought a strip to make access.

Edited February 1, 2014 by jacko45k

[IDL]

Welll...for good or for bad....the drain has been flattened.

I don't mind being a case study.

fair play, what's done is done.

You sound like you've been victorious in past bouts with Thai families...everything's a numbers game mate, just hope you've the sense to not dig your own grave by riding a wave of [successful] arrogance, and not seeing when you'd be better off biting-the-bullet.

Oh, and keep that ego under control. When the girls refer to you as "handsome man", it ain't necessarily what they are really thinking. LOL

Good luck.

[Showbags]

and now you have a property with no access (to)...

And a neighbour who is pissed at you.

Not good in rural Thailand.

I can see 2 points here...

1) Neighbour changed his mind after thinking about it.

2) He didn't want OPs decision or plans to cost him in any way, be it monetary or just many m3 of dirt.

Not surprising that he went against his 'word ' as he saw some advantage and could get more out of the deal.

I hope it doesn't escalate.

Explain what more he could get out of the deal...as it is, he has fallen flat and got sweet FA out of it....his decision.

Dirt.... quite expensive. And land......

You said you wanted to take 1/2 of the new road from the ground on his land.

And give 1/2 of his road land to be government land, perhaps 50 tw of it.

Perhaps he likes owning the road, and the 50TW.

My TGF went through similar, as her land was 'locked'... fortunately the plot between her and the road was owned by a friendly (and poor) aunt and she bought a strip to make access.

ahhh...you no unnerstan

[jackr]

What's the state of play, has neighbour realised the water's stopped running yet?

[Showbags]

Not rainy season yet ....

[mmh8]

I suspect that it would be safer to be using up all the water on your own land for irrigation purposes as opposed to just changing the flow and cutting off neighbours.

In my mind I see a fence with a road on either side of it. I have seen this in different areas and expect it is nothing new.

Would love to see piccs of all this

Edited February 4, 2014 by mmh8

[IMA_FARANG]

Well, I'm not a lawyer and I won't pretend to be.

But I'm not sure that you didn't just illegally appropriate some of their land. without proper compensation.

Also you may be refusing them their right to their water by filling in their water access trench.

I don't know the laws, but this could go very bad for you.

You may have just opened a very big can of worms.

[Showbags]

How in the hell did I appropriate their land ?....as a great Australian once said "please explain"

As for filling in their water access trench...I hope you understand that the trench was made on our land FOR them to gain water access...because we were nice back then...it is not their drain, it is not their land...tis ours....tis my missus' actually.

[Showbags]

Anyway, went there today and no sign of the neighbourly neighbour.

Apparently he asked my missus yesterday how to spell bombs and then he was seen troddling off to the internet cafe.

I asked her later how she spelt it, she said 'bums'....so presume that will keep him busy in the cafe for a few months.

[jackr]

Apparently he asked my missus yesterday how to spell bombs

Oh dear, I'd sleep with one eye open ole mate.

[jacksam]

As I replied earlier what might appear common sense and a simple thing can often prove to have hidden costs. For exple..in one case in Australia I had 4 homes on 4 titled blocks. Anyway may be hard to picture but was sloping and suited fence line to be different to title. I wanted to sell two off and went to my surveyor to ask about changing two titles boundaries. Reply. Jack that will be about 8k.

The Thai guy did correct thing. Also who knows how a shared drive could impact on value of his property.

[Showbags]

As I replied earlier what might appear common sense and a simple thing can often prove to have hidden costs. For exple..in one case in Australia I had 4 homes on 4 titled blocks. Anyway may be hard to picture but was sloping and suited fence line to be different to title. I wanted to sell two off and went to my surveyor to ask about changing two titles boundaries. Reply. Jack that will be about 8k.

The Thai guy did correct thing. Also who knows how a shared drive could impact on value of his property.

Correct thing in his narrow minded limited thinking head...sure.

As for value on his land in future...well he would have had more land to sell wouldn't he ? Secondly, the road was to become government road, quite easy to do and then everyone benefits, including him again as he gets access all the way down his block of land of which he could then subdivide and sell off with public road access...more attractive...plus you do not have to pay for the road to be upgraded...the guv does...plus you do not have to pay for power poles...the guv does...so all in, pretty good deal for him.

And..considering they have applied for chanote last year themselves...on land they have owned since year dot...they also DO intend to sell at some stage because the value far exceeds anything else they could ever do with it themselves.

[FiftyTwo]

Make it clear the road is now on your land, if they use it or cross it ( to access water etc) they are trespassing. I hope I am wrong, but I feel this is not over and there will be further developments at some point.

Best of luck.

thai law gives right of access, they can use your road without your permission, and they know it.

[thaipod]

We recently went through something simular where our neighbours where using a small path through our land to get to their houses and we decided we wanted to fence the land off because the land had just been surveyed and to stop these people using it as a public dump also to build a house as well as security . We ended up with a huge dispute where these neighbours claimed they had access rights and insisted we had to give up 1 meter strip .

After meetings and lawyers we had to bow out and bring the fence line in .... Access . So relating to water access you might have to let them have it .

[jacko45k]

Dirt.... quite expensive. And land......

You said you wanted to take 1/2 of the new road from the ground on his land.

And give 1/2 of his road land to be government land, perhaps 50 tw of it.

Perhaps he likes owning the road, and the 50TW.

My TGF went through similar, as her land was 'locked'... fortunately the plot between her and the road was owned by a friendly (and poor) aunt and she bought a strip to make access.

ahhh...you no unnerstan

Poorly explained then I guess.

Why bother posting? Self justification?

[speedtripler]

After meetings and lawyers we had to bow out and bring the fence line in .... Access . So relating to water access you might have to let them have it .

could just start pissing in the water before it gets to his house and see if his morning coffee tastes as good as usual

[Showbags]

Dirt.... quite expensive. And land......

You said you wanted to take 1/2 of the new road from the ground on his land.

And give 1/2 of his road land to be government land, perhaps 50 tw of it.

Perhaps he likes owning the road, and the 50TW.

My TGF went through similar, as her land was 'locked'... fortunately the plot between her and the road was owned by a friendly (and poor) aunt and she bought a strip to make access.

ahhh...you no unnerstan

Poorly explained then I guess.

Why bother posting? Self justification?

Other people unnerstan....but they may be able to absorb and comprehend a little better.

[jacko45k]

Dirt.... quite expensive. And land......

You said you wanted to take 1/2 of the new road from the ground on his land.

And give 1/2 of his road land to be government land, perhaps 50 tw of it.

Perhaps he likes owning the road, and the 50TW.

My TGF went through similar, as her land was 'locked'... fortunately the plot between her and the road was owned by a friendly (and poor) aunt and she bought a strip to make access.

ahhh...you no unnerstan

Poorly explained then I guess.

Why bother posting? Self justification?

Other people unnerstan....but they may be able to absorb and comprehend a little better

How do you know.... ?Be constructive, tell me what points I got wrong instead of ducking.

I reread your OP and still do not see where my post exhibited miscomprehension..

You are accusing me of comprehension problems, and your neighbour of being narrow-minded.

Seems like you are confrontational and difficult to me.......... no wonder he changed his mind.

Edited February 7, 2014 by jacko45k

[tim armstrong]

I sympathize with you Showbags, but you're forgetting some golden rules.

1. You are a farlang and will never be treated the same as a Thai

2. Thai values about respect and fairness ARE different to ours.

3. You will 'always' have money to spend even if not true.

4. Life here is always unpredictable, and what's true today will change tomorrow.

Good Luck

[jackr]

Bearing in mind it's his wife's land and she said screw em.

[Showbags]

Showbags, Dude, you are funny. Totally understand what has happened and the plan. I don't understand why some

have had a hard time understanding what you have written. It is clear and concise to me. You are reacting the way

most would like to react. However I do understand water rights world wide are a mysterious part of the law in many

countries especially when it comes to agriculture. I also understand life is cheap here and everyone is afraid everyone

knows someone who is willing to take care of business, whether it is four flat tires, having your car keyed or worse.

I am interested is future updates on the push back when they find there is no water to be had, unless the piper is paid

so to speak. Yearly water charge to pay for road construction costs. Best of luck in handling the push back. width=25 alt=thumbsup.gif>

good god, are you people thick? giving ownership to the government was the plan under the spirit of mutual co-operation. now that the neighbors are no longer on board there will be 2 roads running alongside each other separated by a fence of some sort, both privately owned.

"How do you know.... ?Be constructive, tell me what points I got wrong instead of ducking.

I have reread your OP and still do not see where my post exhibited miscomprehension..

You are accusing me of comprehension problems, and your neighbour of being narrow-minded.

Seems like you are confrontational and difficult to me.......... no wonder he changed his mind."

There you go, others understand.

But if you still need to let me explain it again...just ask...baby steps.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Showbags

[inzman]

Thais tend to shoot themselves in the foot over greed. I say good on the OP for standing up for himself. Don't listen to all the frightened naysayers. They would let themselves be taken advantage of by some uneducated poor buffoon from the village. A Thai man would stand up for himself, as should any man.

[seajae]

fences mean nothing here, on the weekend the land behind all my trees was leveled and the guy doing it decided it was easier if my fence wasnt there so he ripped it up and laid it on the ground and never put it back. I found out when I went there the next afternoon to check to see what was flowering, dogs had gone through all my trees(no fence to stop them) smashing several branches off, ripping a lot of the seedlings out of the ground and generally destroying a lot of what was there. I naturally went ballistic(min. 20,000 baht damage to replace) and the f*cking ars*hole that did it just shrugged and walked off, not my problem he said, easier with the fence down. Unfortunately it would seem thai people (some) have no regard for anyone elses property and will simply do as they please if it is easier for them so no matter what is done they will simply do what they want regardless. At least I know that this idiot will not be too happy in the future when he is faced with similar, payback is a bitch, just hopew it works out good for you.