Pongthep: Elections can be held again and again, if disrupted

[BlueNoseCodger]

I saw Suthep being interviewed by the Australian media. He states that he has no intention to disrupt elections or block entry to polling booths he says he wants the election to go ahead freely an he his pro democracy and against blocking people's rights to vote.

They said that yesterday.

Then today he said they are blocking and his team are looking for ways to block without being videod. As are the loathsome dems looking for a way to vote where they are not snapped and posted about social media and branded the hypocrits they are.

Hard times for the old school coup mongers. Everything right out in the open now. Judicual coup.. Ok try it, it is so blatant that any puppet Gov or Junta would be laughed off the world stage.

Questions for day one of the coup:.

Who governs? whats to govern, who is to physically enforce it. Failed before it starts and it's by no means certain to suceed.

Gov. withstood this for 100 days not, so not exactly looking weak. The mob on the other hand is about 5% of what it staerted out as. Most have had cold feet and are seeing sense now they have read up on it more.

They can vote, but not everyone else!

Imagine reform from this bunch of crooks, it would be the same, their vote would could, yours would not.

[animatic]

...and again...and again...and again....

Until they run out of taxpayers money. It's not cheap.

It is the EC who will be spending the money for allowing a situation of ....again...and again...and again...and again....

How is the EC responsible for this mess?

They aren't, but the PTP way is to blame everyone but themselves for all problems.

Edited January 31, 2014 by animatic

[djjamie]

The law does not restrict the polls to be held on a single day.

And this is coming from a person that represents a party that has 15 members facing charges for breaking the law. Coming from a party whose leader is a convicted criminal. Coming from a party whose leaders sister is facing impeachment and a 5 year ban. Coming from a party that may be dissolved. Things certainly are as bleak for the PTP.

For a party that always seem to be on the wrong side of the law I would be seeking some more legal advice before commenting.

[icommunity]

...and again...and again...and again....

Until they run out of taxpayers money. It's not cheap.

It is the EC who will be spending the money for allowing a situation of ....again...and again...and again...and again....

No it is the government that will spend the money again and again, they are the ones pushing for the election not the EC.

Can't you get even the most simple of situations right, or do you have to twist it all into a lie?

I was saying

"It is the EC who will be spending the money for allowing a situation of ....again...and again...and again...and again...."

The government did not push for the election. It returned the power to the people for a mandate. The demand was made by AV about a month before the dissolution of the house, but when it happened he boycotted it.

On receiving the official letter from EC on deferment, the current government invited all political parties and concerned groups for their opinions on the deferment. The outcome was to go ahead with 2 Feb election - no deferment.

Initially, EC's attitude was supportive of the 2 Feb election but their attitude changed after the DEM boycotted the election they demanded. They began to make excuses on why election should be deferred and not focusing on the management and supervising of the election process.

[BlueNoseCodger]

How is the EC responsible for this mess?

They aren't, but the PTP way is to blamer everyone but themselves for all problems.

EC's job is to organize elections, they didn't register candidates in the south, they haven't filed a police complaint to clear protestors from the ballots, they close polling stations before the official closing times, they've repeatedly attempt to delay elections, despite the Council and CC telling them they don't have the unilateral power to do so.

Most of all was their threat to resign unless they could mediate on behalf of Suthep, which is about as blatant as it gets.

EC member Somchai Srisutthiyakorn said:

'The elections will not take place unless both parties and other stakeholders hold talks and reach an agreement. The EC is ready to act as a go-between.'

'After the registration of constituency candidates ends on Jan 1, the EC will hold a meeting on Jan 2 and make a decision,'

'Some people may say we are crossing the line. In some cases we might overstep our authority. But if that can resolve the situation, we have to do it,'

'And if the public thinks that we have crossed the line, we will take responsibility.'

All of this is completely illegal of course, EC tried it on anyway. EC doesn't get to decide if elections will go ahead or not, it's one job is to organize elections, not offer power to Suthep in exchange for granting elections. The Constitution and the Royal Election Decree are what grants elections to the people.

Edited January 31, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[BlueNoseCodger]

How is the EC responsible for this mess?

They aren't, but the PTP way is to blamer everyone but themselves for all problems.

EC's job is to organize elections, they didn't register candidates in the south, they haven't filed a police complaint to clear protestors from the ballots, they close polling stations before the official closing times, they've repeatedly attempt to delay elections, despite the Council and CC telling them they don't have the unilateral power to do so.

Most of all was their threat to resign unless they could mediate on behalf of Suthep, which is about as blatant as it gets.

EC member Somchai Srisutthiyakorn said:

'The elections will not take place unless both parties and other stakeholders hold talks and reach an agreement. The EC is ready to act as a go-between.'

'After the registration of constituency candidates ends on Jan 1, the EC will hold a meeting on Jan 2 and make a decision,'

'Some people may say we are crossing the line. In some cases we might overstep our authority. But if that can resolve the situation, we have to do it,'

'And if the public thinks that we have crossed the line, we will take responsibility.'

All of this is completely illegal of course, EC tried it on anyway. EC doesn't get to decide if elections will go ahead or not, it's one job is to organize elections, not offer power to Suthep in exchange for granting elections. The Constitution and the Royal Election Decree are what grants elections to the people.

I see he (EC member Somchai Srisutthiyakorn) admits it is overstepping it's authority, which is clearly true. But that means they can be held financially liable and so the cost of the election delay should be met from their own assets.

Edited January 31, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[chooka]

I saw Suthep being interviewed by the Australian media. He states that he has no intention to disrupt elections or block entry to polling booths he says he wants the election to go ahead freely an he his pro democracy and against blocking people's rights to vote.

They said that yesterday.

Then today he said they are blocking and his team are looking for ways to block without being videod. As are the loathsome dems looking for a way to vote where they are not snapped and posted about social media and branded the hypocrits they are.

Hard times for the old school coup mongers. Everything right out in the open now. Judicual coup.. Ok try it, it is so blatant that any puppet Gov or Junta would be laughed off the world stage.

Questions for day one of the coup:.

Who governs? whats to govern, who is to physically enforce it. Failed before it starts and it's by no means certain to suceed.

Gov. withstood this for 100 days not, so not exactly looking weak. The mob on the other hand is about 5% of what it staerted out as. Most have had cold feet and are seeing sense now they have read up on it more.

Guess he isn't a man of his word then or a person who could ever be trusted. He bullshites to the international media and then cries foul when they don't support his take over bid.

[ggold]

Until they run out of taxpayers money. It's not cheap.

It is the EC who will be spending the money for allowing a situation of ....again...and again...and again...and again....

No it is the government that will spend the money again and again, they are the ones pushing for the election not the EC.

Can't you get even the most simple of situations right, or do you have to twist it all into a lie?

I was saying

"It is the EC who will be spending the money for allowing a situation of ....again...and again...and again...and again...."

The government did not push for the election. It returned the power to the people for a mandate. The demand was made by AV about a month before the dissolution of the house, but when it happened he boycotted it.

On receiving the official letter from EC on deferment, the current government invited all political parties and concerned groups for their opinions on the deferment. The outcome was to go ahead with 2 Feb election - no deferment.

Initially, EC's attitude was supportive of the 2 Feb election but their attitude changed after the DEM boycotted the election they demanded. They began to make excuses on why election should be deferred and not focusing on the management and supervising of the election process.

Oh OK so all the times Yingluk has said the election will continue or must go ahead, is not them pushing for the election in the face of possible confrontation between reds and yellows? which the EC have highlighted as a possibility!

U even try to blame the DEMs when they democratically decide as a party not to field candidates!

[icommunity]

...and again...and again...and again....

Until they run out of taxpayers money. It's not cheap.

It is the EC who will be spending the money for allowing a situation of ....again...and again...and again...and again....

How is the EC responsible for this mess?

Let me put it this way:

Initially, EC's attitude was supportive of the 2 Feb election but their attitude changed after the DEM boycotted the election they demanded. They began to make excuses on why election should be deferred and not focusing on the management and supervising of the election process.

Further more, EC seems to have only one Commissioner and if not, is making all the decisions for the rest.

[Gonzo the Face]

However it pans out.

Sutheps whistle blowers came out a very very distant second to the fence climber. Even better to see the clip spread around the world and expose the Coup mongers for what they are.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25972539

I cannot keep a straight face when i hear the whisltes in here. The great educated mass of people peeeeping away like the car park attendants in big C car park. Educated must mean something different in the South.

Meanwhile, the Gov. have almost seen off the Army and Suthep and this is why the Courts are mention in ever post every day. It has now fallen upon them to keep the elites in power. Desperate times.

The Gov. just look stronger and stronger and so long as we have a nice peacful election .. Suthep is done. Even his sheep are baulking at the 3 - 6 months that PDRC say it will take on the streets to oust the Government.

Pipkins..... with the posting frenzy you seem to be in, like 500 posts in a couple of weeks on this forum,,,,, and by the ferocity of your PT backing, I feel I must ask,........ are you in the employ or Thaksin and the PT Party ?????

[pipkins]

Elections can be held again and again, if disrupted

Violence to be repeated again and again until PTP gets it's way.

Or until a minority of the Country who control the Courts and Army learn there time has come to move aside, recognise democracy and stay out of politics.

Noticible also the media staying out of the numbers game now with PDRC.. . No talk of 500 hundred on the march with 100-200 of them being staff and body guards.

Noticible... no more talk of 6 million,,1 million half million. The debate now is all about is it more or less than 1,000. Shame on the media.

Shows the strength of the Gov though to ride out the all out assult from this conniving mob. Good on you Yinkluck, least she knows she has the worlds press and governments firmly on her side

[animatic]

However it pans out.

Sutheps whistle blowers came out a very very distant second to the fence climber. Even better to see the clip spread around the world and expose the Coup mongers for what they are.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25972539

I cannot keep a straight face when i hear the whisltes in here. The great educated mass of people peeeeping away like the car park attendants in big C car park. Educated must mean something different in the South.

Meanwhile, the Gov. have almost seen off the Army and Suthep and this is why the Courts are mention in ever post every day. It has now fallen upon them to keep the elites in power. Desperate times.

The Gov. just look stronger and stronger and so long as we have a nice peacful election .. Suthep is done. Even his sheep are baulking at the 3 - 6 months that PDRC say it will take on the streets to oust the Government.

Pipkins..... with the posting frenzy you seem to be in, like 500 posts in a couple of weeks on this forum,,,,, and by the ferocity of your PT backing, I feel I must ask,........ are you in the employ or Thaksin and the PT Party ?????

Or a Perception Management boiler room working for Thaksin's interests?

[Gonzo the Face]

Elections can be held again and again, if disrupted

Violence to be repeated again and again until PTP gets it's way.

Or until a minority of the Country who control the Courts and Army learn there time has come to move aside, recognise democracy and stay out of politics.

Noticible also the media staying out of the numbers game now with PDRC.. . No talk of 500 hundred on the march with 100-200 of them being staff and body guards.

Noticible... no more talk of 6 million,,1 million half million. The debate now is all about is it more or less than 1,000. Shame on the media.

Shows the strength of the Gov though to ride out the all out assult from this conniving mob. Good on you Yinkluck, least she knows she has the worlds press and governments firmly on her side

to paraphrase the old saying " without Yingluck , you'd have no luck at all"

Wishing you and your staff the best of Yingluck

PS some people will buy/believe anything told to them,,,,,,,, by the way U interested in buying a bridge????? You do have my sympathy.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Gonzo the Face

[siampolee]

The recent P.T.P. puppet show was nothing more than a coterie of political hirelings and shysters all operating under the string pulling of their puppet master Thaksin.

If such these puppet characters were to be returned to power it would be then reinforced by the delights of C.A.P.O. the D.S.I. and of course the police hirelings would be enlisted to assist in the participation of the great Thaksin puppet show..

Hence the comments by Pongthep who is under instruction from the puppet master to win at any cost.

If the truth were to come out the Shinwatra clan and its clique would be totally destroyed and no doubt never ever be able to enter Thailand again, much less exert political pressure so as to enhance their personal aims.

Desperate ends , desperate means

Edited January 31, 2014 by siampolee

[MaxLee]

BANGKOK, Jan 31 – Caretaker Deputy Prime Minister Pongthep Thepkanchana has asserted that elections in troubled or disrupted constituencies can be organised again after Sunday and the law does not restrict the polls to be held on a single day.

So there you have it folks,.. Mr. Pongthep ADMITS, that Thaksin and Pheu Thai can push the RESET BUTTON hold elections as many times as they please. and as they see fit, because THEY KNOW they will always win, no matter how many times they resolve parliament.

Good job, Pongthep, you will ALWAYS win,... AAAAAAALWAYSSS!!!!!! Because your master in Dubai thinks, you Pheu Thai goons take the laws into your own hands and suck the country dry at your most backstabbing killing intent.... Thaksinocracy rules, end of the line for Thailand for all eternity....

"

No, you are wrong, read the Thai Constitution:

Section 236. The Election Commission shall have the following powers and duties:

(6) to order a new election or a new voting at a referendum to be held in any or all polling stations when there occurs convincing evidence that the election or the voting at a referendum in that or those polling stations has not proceeded in an honest and fair manner;

The Election Commission has the duty to organize replacement polls for any polling stations disrupted.

Sorry, baby,... never gonna happen, the Election committee and the 50 Executives have chickened out already. Like hell they have the duty,.... they just have ZERO guts to stand up to the man in Dubai and his Pheu Thai minions. That's why they can have it their way, no matter EC, no matter consitution, no matter NACC... Each one of those 3 institutions is a bunch of pathetic cowards...

AIGHT????

[icommunity]

A response to

ggold, on 31 Jan 2014 - 13:39, said: (Post #38)

Oh OK so all the times Yingluk has said the election will continue or must go ahead, is not them pushing for the election in the face of possible confrontation between reds and yellows? which the EC have highlighted as a possibility!

U even try to blame the DEMs when they democratically decide as a party not to field candidates!

My reponse

Before CC ruled that the 2 Feb can be deferred, PM Yingluck had to abide by the Royal Decree in accordance with the constitution.

The RED does not want a confrontation with the YELLOW. They wanted peace, forgiveness and reconciliation and that was the purpose of the original amnesty bill. The confrontation is only a possibility, assumption incited through the DEM's PDRC/PCAD. There is also a possibility that deferment will not stop the violation of laws and people rights. Instead, it will feed on it.

Not to field candidate is not undemocratic. PTP does not fill all the constituencies with candidates either. The DEM's decision to bar members from registering as candidates is undemocratic and it is called boycott. Boycotting is cowardice because they are afraid of the mandate of the people. Further more, it was an election they demanded but when it happened, they boycotted it. It was the process whereby their MPs were elected also.

[rickirs]

Hasn't the 23rd Feb already been set aside for additional voting if required?

Yes, but the Contitutional Court seemed to indicate that with concurrence of the EC and the Government, elections can be held at just about any date beyond Feb. 2nd. So one might interpret Feb. 23rd as the last day that elections can be held but not the only date after Feb. 2nd. I am sure Suthep will challenge such a move so much as he is so concerned about Thai people being allowed to vote at all.

[rickirs]

Meanwhile, non of the real issues get adressed by the Government. They think, they can just keep pushing their will on the people. In order to bleed the Country dry, Thaksin rather sees Thailand bankrupt or in civil war, than to find a solution that works for everyone.

Then again, he is Chinese, so what does he care about Thailand?

Rather than worrying about a one-sided, useless election right now, why not sit down and work out the problems?

Democrats should have thought about that before they pulled out of the government and the elections. Now they are conflicted with telling the public not to vote, interfere with those who try to vote, and yet go themselves to vote in order to be eligible for future electorial positions. Suthep disappoints when it came to political strategy to try to subvert the democratic system; virtually every move he has made required an adverse move by the government to succeed. Yet, the government has maintained the high ground (sorry anti-Thaksin protestors) in every situation, working within the DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM to maintain control over the electorial process. Suthep will prove to be the Democrat's worse enemy in the end.

[tonneke breda]

and lets trow away more money…….

if the would have postponed the elections, they could have pais some of the farmers some of their money

[Jim walker]

Would be better with elections on a monthly basis in Thailand people could be issued with electronic poling cards and on the last Friday of the month just have an election for a new ruling government would save all the protesting and violence every few years plus the people would be at their work producing goods or services and paying tax rather than standing on the streets waving plastic hands or blowing whistles, as instructed by the alleged incredibly intellectual leaders.

[Bluespunk]

@icommunity

Ok maybe. But that is the EC looking for a way out of the mess that currently exists. They may well be going beyond the limits of their role but they are not responsible for the mess. That lies with the politicians.

(Tried quoting but quotes got all messed up)

Edited January 31, 2014 by Bluespunk

[gabruce]

BANGKOK, Jan 31 – Caretaker Deputy Prime Minister Pongthep Thepkanchana has asserted that elections in troubled or disrupted constituencies can be organised again after Sunday and the law does not restrict the polls to be held on a single day.

So there you have it folks,.. Mr. Pongthep ADMITS, that Thaksin and Pheu Thai can push the RESET BUTTON hold elections as many times as they please. and as they see fit, because THEY KNOW they will always win, no matter how many times they resolve parliament.

Good job, Pongthep, you will ALWAYS win,... AAAAAAALWAYSSS!!!!!! Because your master in Dubai thinks, you Pheu Thai goons take the laws into your own hands and suck the country dry at your most backstabbing killing intent.... Thaksinocracy rules, end of the line for Thailand for all eternity....

"

No, you are wrong, read the Thai Constitution:

Section 236. The Election Commission shall have the following powers and duties:

(6) to order a new election or a new voting at a referendum to be held in any or all polling stations when there occurs convincing evidence that the election or the voting at a referendum in that or those polling stations has not proceeded in an honest and fair manner;

The Election Commission has the duty to organize replacement polls for any polling stations disrupted.

Interesting, it seems they can also order a new election if the first one was no good. Now if they could just do that (after Sunday) and get both sides to agree, maybe this could all come out peacefully. Of course it would cost another 3 billion or so.

[tingtongteesood]

However it pans out.

Sutheps whistle blowers came out a very very distant second to the fence climber. Even better to see the clip spread around the world and expose the Coup mongers for what they are.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25972539

I cannot keep a straight face when i hear the whisltes in here. The great educated mass of people peeeeping away like the car park attendants in big C car park. Educated must mean something different in the South.

Meanwhile, the Gov. have almost seen off the Army and Suthep and this is why the Courts are mention in ever post every day. It has now fallen upon them to keep the elites in power. Desperate times.

The Gov. just look stronger and stronger and so long as we have a nice peacful election .. Suthep is done. Even his sheep are baulking at the 3 - 6 months that PDRC say it will take on the streets to oust the Government.

Total bs as ever. Whatever helps you sleep at night....

[pipkins]

Some food for thought for the Educated BKK folk..

Country is drifting and finance pouring out of the country.... Is thailand a bottomless pit of Amart money? 4 billion US gone already... There is much much more to go. And hundreds of thousands of jobs. Mostly in BKK are going.. That is an unescapable fact... You are too short sighted to see it now, but you are going to see it and you are going to feel it. !

The money is coming from the coffers of Thailand, which is tax money mostly... not Phua Thai Money, they are "THE GOVERNMENT" they "GOVERN" it is your money not theirs!!.

Thailand (NOT Yingluk) if now finiancing at least 2 elections, at least 6 months more of law cases. (anyone seen a poor lawyer in thailand) and the closure of business permanently in many parts of BKK (Not Isaaan where the farmers are... BKK)

If you want the remainder of Thailands wealth to flee the country and bankrupt yourselves in a bid to rob yourselves of democracy... You can do it... It's your money and when it runs out, the poor peope will be back to reclaim their democracy.

So.... these so educated people lose out financially big time. And the Country is tanking. Some of this money will never come back now.

So, well done Suthep, you may at last get your chance to ride the fabled horse, but as you have killed it, it may not be as much fun as you thought.

For ease, I post my own flames... Nonsence, 2010 farworse etc. etc. thaksinista rice scamming old pipkins with no idea of thailand blah blah blah.. (did I cover it all?) No time to edit, have to get my money from the man in Dubai. Hilarious arn't I!!!

[Scamper]

As people are beginning to wonder just how many deputy prime ministers there are, and if that implies that they're just not quite as smart as the prime minister yet - ( but apparently getting there quick ) - we have yet another person who says that elections can be held all over the place. Elections again and again ? Mix and match constituencies ? No problem. If Thaksin can think it, Pheu Thai can cook it. Article 108 - which will determine that the election is void - is very, very clear. Crystal clear. But tell that to Pheu Thai. They've never agreed with anything the Constitution Court says, so why should something like the constitution stop them ? It is clear at this point - from so many angles it's dizzying - that the upcoming poll will be an unmitigated disaster in Bangkok and the South. Staging a massive police operation just to enable Yingluck alone to be able to cast her vote in the capital will take planning approaching the scale of a lunar landing. Not to mention that it will completely muss up her facebook page.

[BillyBobThai]

The government can not afford to pay the farmers, but holding an election 42 times is not out of the question.

Edited January 31, 2014 by BillyBobThai

[blackman]

Some food for thought for the Educated BKK folk..

Country is drifting and finance pouring out of the country.... Is thailand a bottomless pit of Amart money? 4 billion US gone already... There is much much more to go. And hundreds of thousands of jobs. Mostly in BKK are going.. That is an unescapable fact... You are too short sighted to see it now, but you are going to see it and you are going to feel it. !

The money is coming from the coffers of Thailand, which is tax money mostly... not Phua Thai Money, they are "THE GOVERNMENT" they "GOVERN" it is your money not theirs!!.

Thailand (NOT Yingluk) if now finiancing at least 2 elections, at least 6 months more of law cases. (anyone seen a poor lawyer in thailand) and the closure of business permanently in many parts of BKK (Not Isaaan where the farmers are... BKK)

If you want the remainder of Thailands wealth to flee the country and bankrupt yourselves in a bid to rob yourselves of democracy... You can do it... It's your money and when it runs out, the poor peope will be back to reclaim their democracy.

So.... these so educated people lose out financially big time. And the Country is tanking. Some of this money will never come back now.

So, well done Suthep, you may at last get your chance to ride the fabled horse, but as you have killed it, it may not be as much fun as you thought.

For ease, I post my own flames... Nonsence, 2010 farworse etc. etc. thaksinista rice scamming old pipkins with no idea of thailand blah blah blah.. (did I cover it all?) No time to edit, have to get my money from the man in Dubai. Hilarious arn't I!!!

pipkins

2 weeks a member

520 posts in favour of thaksins team

[outsider]

Thailand... the Hub of Elections.

[northernjohn]

Misleading headline again, and again!

He just said that constituencies that do not return a result can hold their election on another date, and that all constituencies do not have to hold such elections on the same date. It does not report that he said the elections can held again and again.

No difference between changing the election day. Doing it this way though they can keep changing it until they get the vote they want. I think he is a PTP because he is full of BS.

[kikoman]

Yeah. And so the outcome of these elections will be as accurate as texting while bull riding.

When will this stupidity end? This whole environment has made a total mockery of democracy and civilized cultures.

Isn't there a Cliff Notes on how to run a government or write a constitution??

The count of the election will not be announced until after the rescheduled early voting for another 3 weeks.

But the numbers of people voting is an indicator of who the majority of the Thai voters back, if the vast majority of the eligible voters. boycott the election than the Democrats and protesters get the nod, if the vast majority of the voters vote then PTP and Yingluck get the nod.

It is not the question of how the voters would vote, the question was would they back democracy or back an undemocratic unelected counsel and boycott the election!

Cheers

Edited February 1, 2014 by kikoman