What would you do

[Toosetinmyways]

I recentley played in an amateur competion

The group in front consisted of two farangs plus their two female partners

One female putted every ball under their umberella held by their caddie

That female won an all expenses trip to Chaing Mai.

Would any of you fellow golfers raised the matter with the organisers at the prize giving?

I did not and I feel bad being a stickler for the rules of golf

[richard_smith237]

I'd consider putting through shadow a hinderance. However, you rightly point out or allude to the fact that putting while someone else holds the umbrella is subject to a two stroke penalty (the lady could hold her own umbrella while putting without penalty).

That said, in answer to your question: No.. I'd grow up, use a little intelligent flexibility and accept that putting under an umbrella didn't help her hole the putts.

If Golfers are going to be particularly anal about these rules are you sure your Golf Clubs are 100% within the regulations?

http://www.randa.org/en/Equipment/Equipment-Search/Non-Conforming-Drivers.aspx

[thaijett]

The opportunity is passed to do anything now. Mentioning it to the farang partners may have been a good starting point to raise the issue, while they were still on the course. They may have considered not submitting the scorecard preferable to disqualification. Otherwise, you have an obligation to protect the rest of the field & should have reported it to organisors.

I would say in response to RS237, that rules are rules & there is nothing "anal" about playing within them & expecting everyone in the field to be playing within them also.

btw I am 100% sure my clubs are within the regulations, but I do understand why you would make reference to this.

[Thailand]

Complying with rules of golf in Thailand is like saying their is no corruption here.

Locals and foreigners alike break many rules on a daily basis through ignorance or lack of etiquette and downright cheating.

[PeVee1st]

I played in a Thai comp.one Sunday. 1,000 thb to enter & prizes of gold. I told my farlang playing partners we would not win a prize as the winner would likely have a very high handicap & would shoot under 100. I played in a similar event before & the result was the winner won 1st with 62. Anyway the day was for fun & the Thais made us welcome. On the 15th tee we were held up by a tee shot from a Thai man on the next tee whose ball landed in the rough near our tee. His caddie came down & could not find the Thai mans ball. My caddie went to assist & found the ball. We were waiting to tee off & all 4 of our group saw the Thai man take a preferred lie in open ground. He then played the shot & hit tree & ended up further back in the rough. Not to be put off he positioned the ball for another preferred lie. I turned to my friends & said I told them so. I then made a bet that our 4's best score would not be within 20 strokes of the winner!!!!

We said nothing and accepted TIT.

By the way, we have never found out the winning score on the day.

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Edited February 11, 2014 by PeVee1st

[Forethat]

I once played in a 36-hole tournament at Ria Bintan, Indonesia, where I played in the same group as a reasonably decent player (I think he was off 3 or something) who's card was scored by the third player in my group. He did rather well until the 8th hole where he was in the jungle twice and then played ping pong across the green a couple of times before holing out for what I thought was a 9. He had a couple of double bogeys on the second half and after holing out on the18th he asked for his score card and when his marker said "I haven't checked the score or signed the card yet" he replied "lol, no worry, NR!" and disappeared. After having dinner I went down to check the leaderboard and noticed that the player was now in 12th position with a 74. It's by far the worst example of cheating I have ever experienced in golf. I met his marker the following day and asked him if he wanted to report the guy and he sighed and explained that the guy was a well known cheat, but also wealthy, there's no point.

[thaijett]

I once played in a 36-hole tournament at Ria Bintan, Indonesia, where I played in the same group as a reasonably decent player (I think he was off 3 or something) who's card was scored by the third player in my group. He did rather well until the 8th hole where he was in the jungle twice and then played ping pong across the green a couple of times before holing out for what I thought was a 9. He had a couple of double bogeys on the second half and after holing out on the18th he asked for his score card and when his marker said "I haven't checked the score or signed the card yet" he replied "lol, no worry, NR!" and disappeared. After having dinner I went down to check the leaderboard and noticed that the player was now in 12th position with a 74. It's by far the worst example of cheating I have ever experienced in golf. I met his marker the following day and asked him if he wanted to report the guy and he sighed and explained that the guy was a well known cheat, but also wealthy, there's no point.

Are you a PGA Pro ?? as your namecard says !!

Surely the onus would be on you as the Pro & therefore I presume the "low marker" in the group to report that, regardless of what the marker "wanted" to do. The T/ment C/tee would then call the marker (& the player) to verify your report. The field MUST be protected, and that "there's no point" is a copout by both the marker AND YOU !!

It is all very well relating these stories of "this, that & the other" but the common thread is nobody wanted to, or was prepared to do anything about it, when as in your "story", you witnessed it 1st hand !!!

It makes it sound (to me anyway) like jumping on the bandwagon, and putting it politely, as exaggeration. Not so politely would be B---S--- !!!!

[Forethat]

I once played in a 36-hole tournament at Ria Bintan, Indonesia, where I played in the same group as a reasonably decent player (I think he was off 3 or something) who's card was scored by the third player in my group. He did rather well until the 8th hole where he was in the jungle twice and then played ping pong across the green a couple of times before holing out for what I thought was a 9. He had a couple of double bogeys on the second half and after holing out on the18th he asked for his score card and when his marker said "I haven't checked the score or signed the card yet" he replied "lol, no worry, NR!" and disappeared. After having dinner I went down to check the leaderboard and noticed that the player was now in 12th position with a 74. It's by far the worst example of cheating I have ever experienced in golf. I met his marker the following day and asked him if he wanted to report the guy and he sighed and explained that the guy was a well known cheat, but also wealthy, there's no point.

Are you a PGA Pro ?? as your namecard says !!

Surely the onus would be on you as the Pro & therefore I presume the "low marker" in the group to report that, regardless of what the marker "wanted" to do. The T/ment C/tee would then call the marker (& the player) to verify your report. The field MUST be protected, and that "there's no point" is a copout by both the marker AND YOU !!

It is all very well relating these stories of "this, that & the other" but the common thread is nobody wanted to, or was prepared to do anything about it, when as in your "story", you witnessed it 1st hand !!!

It makes it sound (to me anyway) like jumping on the bandwagon, and putting it politely, as exaggeration. Not so politely would be B---S--- !!!!

Oh, I reported the guy, of course. In case anyone is interested, this falls under rule 33-7. There is a decision (33-7/9) 33-7/9 Competitor Who Knows Player Has Breached Rules Does Not Inform Player or Committee in Timely Manner. So I didn't have many choices. The problem with this rule is that the only penalty is you get DQ, but in the case of his marker he didn't qualify for the last round, hence he wasn't too bothered.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Forethat

[thaijett]

I once played in a 36-hole tournament at Ria Bintan, Indonesia, where I played in the same group as a reasonably decent player (I think he was off 3 or something) who's card was scored by the third player in my group. He did rather well until the 8th hole where he was in the jungle twice and then played ping pong across the green a couple of times before holing out for what I thought was a 9. He had a couple of double bogeys on the second half and after holing out on the18th he asked for his score card and when his marker said "I haven't checked the score or signed the card yet" he replied "lol, no worry, NR!" and disappeared. After having dinner I went down to check the leaderboard and noticed that the player was now in 12th position with a 74. It's by far the worst example of cheating I have ever experienced in golf. I met his marker the following day and asked him if he wanted to report the guy and he sighed and explained that the guy was a well known cheat, but also wealthy, there's no point.

Are you a PGA Pro ?? as your namecard says !!

Surely the onus would be on you as the Pro & therefore I presume the "low marker" in the group to report that, regardless of what the marker "wanted" to do. The T/ment C/tee would then call the marker (& the player) to verify your report. The field MUST be protected, and that "there's no point" is a copout by both the marker AND YOU !!

It is all very well relating these stories of "this, that & the other" but the common thread is nobody wanted to, or was prepared to do anything about it, when as in your "story", you witnessed it 1st hand !!!

It makes it sound (to me anyway) like jumping on the bandwagon, and putting it politely, as exaggeration. Not so politely would be B---S--- !!!!

Oh, I reported the guy, of course. In case anyone is interested, this falls under rule 33-7. There is a decision (33-7/9) 33-7/9 Competitor Who Knows Player Has Breached Rules Does Not Inform Player or Committee in Timely Manner. So I didn't have many choices. The problem with this rule is that the only penalty is you get DQ, but in the case of his marker he didn't qualify for the last round, hence he wasn't too bothered.

You did not answer my 1st question !!

I have to ask, WHY?? when telling your "story" you did not include that you had in fact reported the offender/s? The highlighted in italics part of your "story" does certainly NOT indicate that you did this !!

While IF you accepted your responsibilities & acted on them, I applaud you, BUT the course of your "story" certainly leaves me dubious as to it's authenticity.

Everybody Westerner who plays golf in Asia has heard the "horror stories" of prize winning, cheating etc, I sometimes wonder whether there is not a certain amount of sour grapes and embellishment involved, that green eyed monster can be a bitch !!!

[Forethat]

I have to ask, WHY?? when telling your "story" you did not include that you had in fact reported the offender/s? The highlighted in italics part of your "story" does certainly NOT indicate that you did this !!

While IF you accepted your responsibilities & acted on them, I applaud you, BUT the course of your "story" certainly leaves me dubious as to it's authenticity.

I think you missed my point completely. My point was that cheating happens more often than most think, especially during during small dodgy tournaments with great money, and is common because most people doesn't even bother reporting it. I also didn't tell you that my report was left with no action because it is irrelevant.

The REAL cheating, however, takes place during the high stakes games between wealthy asians.

[sticklee]

Only the System 36 method of scoring will work in an amateur tournament here. Very difficult to cheat to win. The Chiang Mai Golf Festival tournaments are scored this way. In 2011 I entered 5 events and won a B and an A flight. In 2013 I entered 3 events and won a B flight. These tournaments are 95% Thai players. I'm not a great golfer but better than average.

[JAS21]

You should have worked out by now that many Thais cheat at Golf. We used to play with Thailand Senior Golfing Society. 'Kin Hell, throw the ball out into the fairway ... two club lengths ...what is that!! Can't count and of course the caddy can't either.

Playing off 13 as many do whereas their 'real' handicap is 6. Either accept this ignore and enjoy, join them or don't play ... EASY ... TIT.

In one completion ... my wifes genuine handicap was 17 by the way ... she played a blinder and had some luck and was 12 over ... didn't get a look in!! Was she bothered NO ...just enjoyed the course and meal after.