Pheu Thai Party predicts winning 300 seats in yesterday's polls

[whybother]

Do you have a proof of this statement? Or is it a rumor made up by you? I'd like to see it if its' true.

Pot. Kettle.

[Bcgardener]

All of this is totally irrelevant to most posters on TV so why get so worked up about it. In most cases you are temporary residents here and your opinions are of little interest to most Thais. Like the saying goes... What is the point of worrying about something you cannot change. Just get on with life and focus on things you can control. If Thais decide to start fighting in earnest then most of us can just go home for a holiday and read about it in the papers

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[whybother]

a really ignorant post

people were STOPPED from voting so use any intelligence you may have please as you already dimly recognized only 48m could vote so it is not "out of 69m"

to use your own flawed logic? 200,000 protest out of 69m people = 0.28% of the population - hardly representative is it?

Were people stopped from voting in the N/NE? It seems they could only get 55% voter turnout.

[chooka]

Was just on the Australian news also that she has won easily and the question was posted, will Suthep step up his demonstrations and a political commentator in BKK says that his unlikely as the demonstrator numbers have dropped to a few hundred.

Do they get the Thai election results in Australia first these days ?

They get the news from Thailand, we may be down under but no longer just a colonial outpost. Australia has electricity now and even the internet and social media. We can actually watch the news as it happens anywhere in the world.

INSTEAD of just taking my response to another post and trying to distort it for your self centred gain try including both posts for others to see in fairness. This may have very well been one source that the Australia media used.

Pathum Thani reports Pheu Thai landslide as expected

PATHUM THANI 3 February 2014 (NNT) —After tallying up the votes for constituency-based election, Pathum Thani has announced that the Pheu Thai party has won by a landslide.

The Prathum Thani election commission has concluded that the Pheu Thai candidates have swept all the seats by a landslide as predicted. An unofficial report named Mr. Supachai Nopkam of Pheu Thai the winner in district 1 of Pathum Thani.

Meanwhile, Mr. Surapong Ungumpornvilai has won in district 2; Mr. Somsak Jaiclaew in district 3; Ms. Pornpiman Thammasan in district 4; Mr. Chaiyan Polsuwan in district 5; and Mr. Somchai Rangsiwattanasak in district 6.

41.06% of the eligible voters in Pathum Thaini turned up to vote.

Do you honestly believe that the election supervised by Ko Tee and his henchmen carries any credibility? Why bother posting it? It means nothing.

Listen, I didn't fuc%^ng post it I responded to it. Time to get off your bloody bar stool and call a taxi.

[kimamey]

Easy to rack up a high score when there is no other major political party such as the Democrats contesting.

The dems decided to refrain from the election when they had possibly their best chance in years and now they cry poor meeeeee! Put your policies on the table and stop trying to buy the courts. Let the people vote you in Abi, oh we forgot that your standing trial for murder and even the average THAI don't like that. Time for you to quit and someone else take charge. Sounds like someone needs a frontal lobotomy and I have already had mine

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oh we forgot that your standing trial for murder and even the average THAI don't like that.

So you're saying that Thais aren't interested in the result of the trial only that someone has been charged. You don't give them much credit. I'm sure you're right about some Thais but hopefully most will wait for the result.

[djjamie]

Northeast region voter turn out;

2014 - 56.14%

2011 - 72.48%

North region;

2014 - 54.03%

2011 - 77.16%

South region;

2014 - 44.88%

2011 - 76.76%

Central region;

2014 - 42.38%

2011 - 75.73%

According to the PTP a great success. In fact I remember some posters on TVF suggesting Suthep has galvanized the democratic supporters (one principle of democracy supporters) to come out in strength to vote. Facts suggest otherwise?

Referendum to pass the 2007 constitution put to the people with the people passing it - 58% for and 42% against. According to the PTP it is not a true reflection of the voice of the people and the majority didn't want that constitution.

PTP win 2011 general election with 44.3% of the vote. Overwhelming majority and PTP are loved by all.

200 grandmothers come out with 10 muscle men to threaten to kidnap judges in front of the Constitutional court and they are described as the majority voicing their dislike.

Up to 6 million come out to protest an amnesty that would get the PM's brother off corruption charges and they are compared, % wise, to every man, women and child in Thailand as a tiny tiny minority.

Facts Math - The PTP's kryptonite.

could i ask where you got the figures? thanks

It is against forum rules to post a link. I hope that gives you a hint as to the link. PM if you want further info.

[MichaelJohn]

If Google tells the truth;

Obama got 51% of a 58% turnout

Cameron got 47% of a 65% turnout.

Taking the logic above neither got a majority of the population and I hardly ever happens in an election.

That's what democracy's about ........ you don't count the people who can't be bothered to vote.

Respect the right to vote and the outcome of the people's vote - that's democracy.

[ginjag]

It's funny how naive farangs were cheering the Dems boycotting the election, then supporting the yellow thugs in blocking the poll stations, ... and now complain that PT had no opposition in the same election

If the Dems did not want the PT to win, they obviously used the wrong tactic

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Funny how some posters got notions that the government were not corrupt. and everything is hunky dory. Shame you few have to be different from the norm.

But it could be that majority of farrangs are misguided.

Sadly for your argument, I don't recall any post on this forum denying the existence of corruption in Thailand.

I think all posters know it is all around.

So please, in the interests of clarity and your reputation, can you please highlight one or two posts from any "misguided farang" stating that there is no corruption??

A bottle of scotch if you can.

Just one post from anybody, denying the existence of corruption in Thailand.

I don't think you understood, the minority of posters that are government apologists rarely mention that the government has fingers in the till. I hope you will look yourself through posts, when challenged rarely will they admit only shout about opposition MPs.

I have a clear view about the corruption and at an extremely high level.

My remark about misguided farrang was a side kick at the poster, as he seems to believe the majority are misguided. hence my remark.

So to clarify most posters are NOT misguided, minority are, that will stick to the fact that the government are doing well.

Maybe you do not understand that NOT saying anything implies they are in denial.

Skip the reputation bit-you are not on to advise on posters reputations. try to get the gist of my post --should be easy if you are English.

[whybother]

This for one

Pathum Thani reports Pheu Thai landslide as expected

PATHUM THANI 3 February 2014 (NNT) —After tallying up the votes for constituency-based election, Pathum Thani has announced that the Pheu Thai party has won by a landslide.

The Prathum Thani election commission has concluded that the Pheu Thai candidates have swept all the seats by a landslide as predicted. An unofficial report named Mr. Supachai Nopkam of Pheu Thai the winner in district 1 of Pathum Thani.

Meanwhile, Mr. Surapong Ungumpornvilai has won in district 2; Mr. Somsak Jaiclaew in district 3; Ms. Pornpiman Thammasan in district 4; Mr. Chaiyan Polsuwan in district 5; and Mr. Somchai Rangsiwattanasak in district 6.

41.06% of the eligible voters in Pathum Thaini turned up to vote.

It would be interesting to see what percentage actually voted for PTP.

[Ricardo]

At least they stand a chance and not coward like the DEM who choose to live in a victim mentality world. These small parties have courage and support democracy. Why not compare to US. They have two big parties and few other small parties. Is there anything insidious in their participation?

ver heard of before and without a chance of winning the odd seat? Just the token opposition to show how 'democratic' all is?

Next we'll hear again about 'winning elections', as the most important aspect of a democracy. Well, go to N. Korea and learn how that's done.

The DEM is not the only political party in Thailand. Any party can progress to fill their place.

"victim mentality world"

Would that be the one, where one former-PM staggers round wailing "they stole my money", and another (currently caretaker-PM) makes speeches about how unfair previous governments were, to her family ?

[binjalin]

a really ignorant post

people were STOPPED from voting so use any intelligence you may have please as you already dimly recognized only 48m could vote so it is not "out of 69m"

to use your own flawed logic? 200,000 protest out of 69m people = 0.28% of the population - hardly representative is it?

Were people stopped from voting in the N/NE? It seems they could only get 55% voter turnout.

I think it's thoroughly understandable that it would be far lower than before for obvious reasons:

1/ there are some Dems supporters and obviously they won't come out

2/ people will be frightened by the News on TV whether it impacted on their particular polling station or not

3/ some may feel that it will be invalidated by the yellow courts anyway

4/ some may feel, with no Dems, that it was a forgone conclusion and therefore not bother

[djjamie]

If Google tells the truth;

Obama got 51% of a 58% turnout

Cameron got 47% of a 65% turnout.

Taking the logic above neither got a majority of the population and I hardly ever happens in an election.

That's what democracy's about ........ you don't count the people who can't be bothered to vote.

Respect the right to vote and the outcome of the people's vote - that's democracy.

I remember the rice scheme was a flagship policy of the PTP. It was the scheme that brought them to power. It had "political" written all over it. When it failed, the failures are reneged by the supporters of the PTP saying "Don't politicize this, lets try to find a solution"

Now we have an election where the PTP have stated it is a great success and then when the "facts" come out it changes to "Respect the right to vote and the outcome of the people's vote - that's democracy" meaning with that logic if one person voted in the 2014 election (yingluck) due to the remainder of the 68 million thinking that the PTP were corrupt then the PTP would still win? Is that called majority rule? No. It is also against the constitution. That dirty word called "respect the law" again. Pesky laws.

BTW - Here is an example of "Google" using facts to persuade the gullible in believing something. It was great you brought it up actually as it highlights further the gullibility of the UDD/ PTP supporters.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

[whybother]

a really ignorant post

people were STOPPED from voting so use any intelligence you may have please as you already dimly recognized only 48m could vote so it is not "out of 69m"

to use your own flawed logic? 200,000 protest out of 69m people = 0.28% of the population - hardly representative is it?

Were people stopped from voting in the N/NE? It seems they could only get 55% voter turnout.

I think it's thoroughly understandable that it would be far lower than before for obvious reasons:

1/ there are some Dems supporters and obviously they won't come out

2/ people will be frightened by the News on TV whether it impacted on their particular polling station or not

3/ some may feel that it will be invalidated by the yellow courts anyway

4/ some may feel, with no Dems, that it was a forgone conclusion and therefore not bother

So, in the N/NE no one was stopped from voting, and they could STILL only get 55%. There was no threat of violence in the N/NE. The Democrat supporters could vote "None of the above". People chose not to vote.

[djjamie]

a really ignorant post

people were STOPPED from voting so use any intelligence you may have please as you already dimly recognized only 48m could vote so it is not "out of 69m"

to use your own flawed logic? 200,000 protest out of 69m people = 0.28% of the population - hardly representative is it?

Were people stopped from voting in the N/NE? It seems they could only get 55% voter turnout.

I think it's thoroughly understandable that it would be far lower than before for obvious reasons:

1/ there are some Dems supporters and obviously they won't come out

2/ people will be frightened by the News on TV whether it impacted on their particular polling station or not

3/ some may feel that it will be invalidated by the yellow courts anyway

4/ some may feel, with no Dems, that it was a forgone conclusion and therefore not bother

So, in the N/NE no one was stopped from voting, and they could STILL only get 55%. There was no threat of violence in the N/NE. The Democrat supporters could vote "None of the above". People chose not to vote.

If yingluck said the sun would not rise tomorrow morning because it was a PTP policy some UDD / PTP supporters would nearly shut down the TVF with doomsday reports quoting yingluck as the messiah. When the sun inevitably came up the next morning the supporters would argue it was very very bright moon. When proven wrong it would be God's fault. Why? Cause the PTP are never ever wrong.

Edited February 3, 2014 by djjamie

[Mosha]

Who is counting the vote ? Stalin wants to know

[SABloke]

They were at least 50 other parties contesting.

Most of them never heard of before and without a chance of winning the odd seat? Just the token opposition to show how 'democratic' all is?

Next we'll hear again about 'winning elections', as the most important aspect of a democracy. Well, go to N. Korea and learn how that's done.

At least they stand a chance and not coward like the DEM who choose to live in a victim mentality world. These small parties have courage and support democracy. Why not compare to US. They have two big parties and few other small parties. Is there anything insidious in their participation?

The DEM is not the only political party in Thailand. Any party can progress to fill their place.

Some parties only contest a coupla seats - that means that even if the entire country could register in their constituency and voted exclusively for them - they would still only win one seat. A bigger number of parties does not mean jack when only a handful can actually contest in ALL constituencies - and if other parties join a coalition and disregard their constituents wishes when it comes to parliamentary sessions (ie NOT voting for amnesty as requested by people from both sides) and follow the wishes of 1 person, then the whole thing is a farce anyway and my somtam lady selecting 500 people to run the country is just as democratic as people being duped into thinking they have a real say "because we voted for and chose our representatives". Political parties choose your reps people - wake the <deleted> up! REAL democracy does not exist

Edited February 3, 2014 by SABloke

[JesseFrank]

a really ignorant post

people were STOPPED from voting so use any intelligence you may have please as you already dimly recognized only 48m could vote so it is not "out of 69m"

to use your own flawed logic? 200,000 protest out of 69m people = 0.28% of the population - hardly representative is it?

Were people stopped from voting in the N/NE? It seems they could only get 55% voter turnout.

I think it's thoroughly understandable that it would be far lower than before for obvious reasons:

1/ there are some Dems supporters and obviously they won't come out

2/ people will be frightened by the News on TV whether it impacted on their particular polling station or not

3/ some may feel that it will be invalidated by the yellow courts anyway

4/ some may feel, with no Dems, that it was a forgone conclusion and therefore not bother

So, in the N/NE no one was stopped from voting, and they could STILL only get 55%. There was no threat of violence in the N/NE. The Democrat supporters could vote "None of the above". People chose not to vote.

The rest of them was busy blocking a highway somewhere to claim their moneys.

Edited February 3, 2014 by JesseFrank

[binjalin]

a really ignorant post

people were STOPPED from voting so use any intelligence you may have please as you already dimly recognized only 48m could vote so it is not "out of 69m"

to use your own flawed logic? 200,000 protest out of 69m people = 0.28% of the population - hardly representative is it?

Were people stopped from voting in the N/NE? It seems they could only get 55% voter turnout.

I think it's thoroughly understandable that it would be far lower than before for obvious reasons:

1/ there are some Dems supporters and obviously they won't come out

2/ people will be frightened by the News on TV whether it impacted on their particular polling station or not

3/ some may feel that it will be invalidated by the yellow courts anyway

4/ some may feel, with no Dems, that it was a forgone conclusion and therefore not bother

So, in the N/NE no one was stopped from voting, and they could STILL only get 55%. There was no threat of violence in the N/NE. The Democrat supporters could vote "None of the above". People chose not to vote.

I've given perfectly valid reasons why turnout would be lower with all the troubles it's perfectly understandable

[Spalpeen]

Now that the election has passed there's very little more to be said on the whole subject. The coup failed. The Big Bangkok Shutdown failed. The attempt to stop the election failed. The election went ahead with a minimum of disruption and we know beyond reasonable doubt who the next government of Thailand will be. The by-elections will not alter the big picture.

It's all over for the Democrats and any further discussion at this point is just so much hot air. Game over.

[binjalin]

Now that the election has passed there's very little more to be said on the whole subject. The coup failed. The Big Bangkok Shutdown failed. The attempt to stop the election failed. The election went ahead with a minimum of disruption and we know beyond reasonable doubt who the next government of Thailand will be. The by-elections will not alter the big picture.

It's all over for the Democrats and any further discussion at this point is just so much hot air. Game over.

I would agree that the Dems are the biggest losers I know many Thais who are not 'pro-red' but are amazed and disgusted at the Dems for not playing this fairly

[whybother]

I've given perfectly valid reasons why turnout would be lower with all the troubles it's perfectly understandable

Yes, but you started out by saying it was because voters were stopped from voting.

[whybother]

Now that the election has passed there's very little more to be said on the whole subject. The coup failed. The Big Bangkok Shutdown failed. The attempt to stop the election failed. The election went ahead with a minimum of disruption and we know beyond reasonable doubt who the next government of Thailand will be. The by-elections will not alter the big picture.

It's all over for the Democrats and any further discussion at this point is just so much hot air. Game over.

Yingluck's sister (ie the fat lady) isn't singing yet. Come back in 3 months.

[Mackie]

Now that the election has passed there's very little more to be said on the whole subject. The coup failed. The Big Bangkok Shutdown failed. The attempt to stop the election failed. The election went ahead with a minimum of disruption and we know beyond reasonable doubt who the next government of Thailand will be. The by-elections will not alter the big picture.

It's all over for the Democrats and any further discussion at this point is just so much hot air. Game over.

That's a very simplistic view. The game is over when the referee blows the final whistle. Sometimes you get to play extra 7 or minutes. Plenty of time to score not only one but two goals.

Let's be honest, this election was far away from being the legitimate one. Too many irregularities. Of course, if you wear red-coloured blinders than everything was perfectly legal even though you know it was not.

Edited February 3, 2014 by Mackie

[HD 205]

That will give them a clear majority and a return to power. Guess Suthep may have been wrong when he stated the majority supported him.

Just because they get a majority of seats doesn't mean that a majority support them.

Nor does it mean the majority are against them.

Regarding this article, Abhisit is showing himself to be the scumbag snake that he really is and always was.

[binjalin]

I've given perfectly valid reasons why turnout would be lower with all the troubles it's perfectly understandable

Yes, but you started out by saying it was because voters were stopped from voting.

yes and I have expanded upon the theme as it all stems from the 'troubles' and the thugs stopping citizens Right to Vote in BKK/The South

the effects are widespread

[whybother]

I've given perfectly valid reasons why turnout would be lower with all the troubles it's perfectly understandable

Yes, but you started out by saying it was because voters were stopped from voting.

yes and I have expanded upon the theme as it all stems from the 'troubles' and the thugs stopping citizens Right to Vote in BKK/The South

the effects are widespread

So in other words, you changed your mind.

[EyesWideOpen]

Who is counting the vote ? Stalin wants to know

Very nice reference !!! In the land of deceit, I would find it almost impossible

to believe that vote counting is on the level, when nothing else here seems to be here...

[northernjohn]

so Abhisit says they wasted that money now HE wants to waste it again?

Not sure where you read that maybe in a red shirt bar.

Abhist wants to have an election where all is honest. That means no more buying votes no more false promises more like misleading fantasies. In other words make it an election that has a positive meaning to the results. Not a sham.

Seems as there are a lot of people against that.

To each their own. I am just retired here and care about the welfare of the country. Even if I was in business I would like to see an honest government.

[Publicus]

That will give them a clear majority and a return to power. Guess Suthep may have been wrong when he stated the majority supported him.

It is not sooo hard to win a majority if you run the elections without opposition.....The leader in North Korea also got reelected every couple of years. Honecker also won every election.

They were at least 50 other parties contesting.

Most of them never heard of before and without a chance of winning the odd seat? Just the token opposition to show how 'democratic' all is?

Next we'll hear again about 'winning elections', as the most important aspect of a democracy. Well, go to N. Korea and learn how that's done.

Elections under laws, rules, regulations Suthep's "People's Council" would make North Korean elections look like the Athenian democracy of old.

Your statement above...

"Next we'll hear again about 'winning elections', as the most important aspect of a democracy."

....is a dagger in the heart of democracy, equality, egalitarianism.

When a winner of an election can't organize a government we won't have democracy any more, especially when you call it "absolute democracy."

Edited February 3, 2014 by Publicus

[Publicus]

Pheu Thai Party predicts winning 300 seats in yesterday's polls

Other PTP predictions;

• PTP predicts it will enjoy a landslide victory in Bangkok in 2011 (lost)
• PTP predicts Thaksin's return to Thailand in 3 months. August 13th, 2009. (didn't happen)
• PTP predicts rice scheme will be huge success (no comment needed)
• PTP predicts that over 80% will turn out to vote in 2014 (48% "unofficially" turned out)

Pheu Thai has managed the crisis adeptly and with aplomb. Ad hominem attacks against Surapon don't change the fact either.

The broad scope of the amnesty bill would have accomplished much to reconcile Thai society. The government was willing to seek that broader reconciliation even at the cost of losing some of its supporters who were victimized by violence.

The government misjudged the extent and anger of the middle class and their manipulative elite superordinates to Thaksin's having been included. It's just past time the middle class and their higher ups got over themselves by accepting the broad and inclusive amnesty that would provide the reconciliation Thailand desperately needs. It's the only way to return to the road of peace and prosperity.

amnesty bill would have helped to reconcile the country...im sorry but what were the original protests about...seems so long ago ive forgotten...as have you sir...

Jason Bourne, I presume.

I'm here to help you, Jason so let me pick those slugs out of your back. To bring you up to date demonstrators of the middle class took to the streets solely to successfully reverse the government's amnesty bill, killed it. Then they went home, leaving the government intact and in place.

Roaring out onto the street came a hastily organized fascist mob led by a raving madman vowing to overthrow the government in an insurrection that would establish a still anonymous appointed People's Council with a still secret agenda.

For a brief few days there was some overlap in the streets between the two entirely different groups each of which had a radically different agenda.

The middle class demonstrators went home, and now so have Suthep's fascist insurrectionist mob gone home.

No one has forgot what happened or how it happened. Now even Jason Bourne remembers.

Edited February 3, 2014 by Publicus