Popular Post webfact Posted February 3, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2014 EDITORIALSuthep playing with Cambodian fireThe NationRash and unjustified claims that foreigners are behind attacks on protesters could damage relations with our neighbourBANGKOK: -- It is too risky and dangerous for the anti-government protesters in Bangkok to politicise foreign relations, notably those with neighbouring Cambodia.Talking gibberish on protest stages might play well to the local audience, but these speeches reach much further thanks to international media coverage.Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban, who supposedly knows Cambodia well, has claimed that the killing of Suthin Tharatin as part of a campaign to disrupt advance voting in Bang Na was carried out by a Cambodian special-operations unit.Suthep failed to offer any actual evidence, instead launching rash allegations against a neighbouring country to conceal the protesters' political mistake in turning against democracy.Suthep is not the first person to point the finger at Cambodia in a bid to conceal the protest's missteps. Navy Special Warfare Commander Winai Klom-in had previously claimed that Cambodians had been smuggled into Thailand to target the protesters. As a senior officer in the military, Winai has no business either interfering in the protests or blackening Cambodia's name. Unfortunately his men had earlier been discovered mingling with the protesters, their mission unclear. The subsequent attempt to divert attention to Cambodia backfired on the protest.Cambodian authorities have not allowed these unfair allegations to damage their good relations with Thailand. Cambodia's Foreign Ministry immediately slammed the statements as foolish propaganda employed by Thai nationalists for selfish political purposes.A senior and seasoned politician like Suthep, who was a Cabinet minister from 2008 to 2011, should know well that relations with Phnom Penh have been seriously damaged by internal political conflict in Bangkok.The Democrat Party and the yellow-shirt People's Alliance for Democracy sought political gain by whipping up public sentiment against Cambodia during protests against the government of Samak Sundaravej in 2008. Back then, senior members of the Democrat Party entertained protesters with slanders against Cambodia, just as Suthep is doing now.The nationalist gibberish came back to haunt the Democrat-led government when it had to negotiate with Phnom Penh over the Preah Vihear Temple territory dispute. The Phnom Penh leadership never had good relations with that Democrat-led government. That fact no doubt contributed to the two countries' failure to settle their territorial conflict and Cambodia's decision to take the case to the world court.The International Court of Justice ruled on Preah Vihear in November, but the issue is still far from over. The two countries must undertake many tasks to comply with the judgement. But the caretaker government under Yingluck Shinawatra has been stripped of its mandate to solve the problem due to the domestic political conflict. And, with the result of Thailand's election uncertain, Yingluck might have lost her chance to handle the Preah Vihear case altogether. Instead, we could see Suthep or his former Democrat Party colleagues installed in power and thereby in position to talk with Cambodia about the issue.History might yet repeat itself. Suthep and the protest leaders must not burn their bridges with Cambodia. They might need them someday. -- The Nation 2014-02-04 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes, there's little to substantiate Suthep's allegations. It makes no sense to use Cambodians. There are plenty of angry Thais who are ready to attack the PDRC, in any case. However, going back to Tharit's suggestion of foreign involvement in the PDRC rallies. Apparently one protest leader, Issara Somchai, has hired some men who claim to be former French Foreign Legion as part of his security detail. Here is one of them:There's no evidence these men have been involved in violence. I only point it out because I saw the suggestion that the FFL were involved - dismissed it as ridiculous - but then someone on Twitter claimed to have spoken to these men who told him that they'd been hired as 'security advisors' for Issara. I guess it's not that strange after all, I've heard that some other prominent Thais also have foreigners advising on security, ex special forces and the like. Presumably these guys are just there to give advice, not actually use weapons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thai at Heart Posted February 3, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2014 Of course what would happen if the media refused to be used like a fog horn and actually demanded that these claims be substantiatedm 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smutcakes Posted February 3, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes, there's little to substantiate Suthep's allegations. It makes no sense to use Cambodians. There are plenty of angry Thais who are ready to attack the PDRC, in any case. However, going back to Tharit's suggestion of foreign involvement in the PDRC rallies. Apparently one protest leader, Issara Somchai, has hired some men who claim to be former French Foreign Legion as part of his security detail. Here is one of them: There's no evidence these men have been involved in violence. I only point it out because I saw the suggestion that the FFL were involved - dismissed it as ridiculous - but then someone on Twitter claimed to have spoken to these men who told him that they'd been hired as 'security advisors' for Issara. I guess it's not that strange after all, I've heard that some other prominent Thais also have foreigners advising on security, ex special forces and the like. Presumably these guys are just there to give advice, not actually use weapons... I very much doubt any reputable special forces operator would allow themselves to be in a situation where that type of photo can be taken. That farang looks like some walter mitty gym/steroid junkie by the size of him, with the objective of looking cool rather than doing anything substantive. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post angsta Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 Of course what would happen if the media refused to be used like a fog horn and actually demanded that these claims be substantiatedm You mean 'journalists' at The Nation actually acting like real journalists and asking questions? How would The Bangkok Post manage that? Crazy talk. This is why they can't handle the western media reports as they come close to being independent. The Thai elite find that all very confusing. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samuidave Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 Regardless, the suggestion is hardly out of the very real realm of possibilities, knowing the cozy relationship between Thaksin, cambodia's advisor, and Hun Sen. "Hun Sen is widely viewed as a dictator that has assumed authoritarian power in Cambodia using violence and intimidation and corruption to maintain his power base.[3][4][5]Hun Sen has accumulated highly centralized power in Cambodia, including a 'praetorian guard that appears to rival the capabilities of the countrys regular military units.'[6]" wiki 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post englishoak Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) It is stupid to say the least as a former deputy head PM of a nation to make wild accusations about your neighbours involvement in your own country's politics and unrest without any hard and provable evidence. it does nothing to help and just stirs up more xenophobia, very stupid things have been said on stage and in the press by so called high ranking military with absolutely no proof or evidence... purely propagandist rhetoric unless someone comes up with some proof. Edited February 4, 2014 by englishoak 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Question. Has the Cambodian army been the first to cast any stone during this 5 or 6 years of nonsense. Seems Suthep is playing with thai fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx22cb Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Wasn't the Cambodian allegation/red herring started by the Commander of the Naval SEALS, after some armed SEALS were caught with weapons in BKK in the middle of the night? If there really are Cambodian mercenaries in BKK, they've done a very good job at not being seen - a better job than the various Men in Black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunla Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Destabilising the home not enough, he moves on to upset the neighbours. Young people should be busy taking notes now, on the importance of tact and diplomacy, using Suthep as a life-class working model on how the absence of these things can prove disastrous. That can be Suthep's legacy, teaching the next generation the importance of maintaining decorum and restraint in the public sphere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thai at Heart Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 Destabilising the home not enough, he moves on to upset the neighbours. Young people should be busy taking notes now, on the importance of tact and diplomacy, using Suthep as a life-class working model on how the absence of these things can prove disastrous. That can be Suthep's legacy, teaching the next generation the importance of maintaining decorum and restraint in the public sphere. He represents literally everything of the few things I cannot stand about Thailand. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Question. Has the Cambodian army been the first to cast any stone during this 5 or 6 years of nonsense. Seems Suthep is playing with thai fire. Are you forgetting the border clashes before the 2011 election? Admittedly, they weren't stones being lobbed into eastern Thailand, who the instigators were is subject to dispute, but the timing was very convenient and beneficial to an "eternal friend". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Question. Has the Cambodian army been the first to cast any stone during this 5 or 6 years of nonsense. Seems Suthep is playing with thai fire. Are you forgetting the border clashes before the 2011 election? Admittedly, they weren't stones being lobbed into eastern Thailand, who the instigators were is subject to dispute, but the timing was very convenient and beneficial to an "eternal friend". Agree that Suthep should not be playing the nationalist-card, but Hun Sen must also be wondering when he'll get movement on the offshore-oil, wouldn't be surprised if he were disappointed with progress on that since 2011. Certainly he must have an interest, in which side is in-power, in his neighbouring country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Question. Has the Cambodian army been the first to cast any stone during this 5 or 6 years of nonsense. Seems Suthep is playing with thai fire. Are you forgetting the border clashes before the 2011 election? Admittedly, they weren't stones being lobbed into eastern Thailand, who the instigators were is subject to dispute, but the timing was very convenient and beneficial to an "eternal friend". If I remember, it wasn't proven who started it, but I think safe to say, Thailand has more to gain than Cambodia. Please send these nationalists down there to solve the problems. I'm sure the Cambodians would quake in their boots. Scoundrels the lot of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post englishoak Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 Question. Has the Cambodian army been the first to cast any stone during this 5 or 6 years of nonsense. Seems Suthep is playing with thai fire. Are you forgetting the border clashes before the 2011 election? Admittedly, they weren't stones being lobbed into eastern Thailand, who the instigators were is subject to dispute, but the timing was very convenient and beneficial to an "eternal friend". The debacle over the temple and surrounding area has been settled by the UN as asked by Thailand. They ruled in favour of Cambodia and to my mind rightly so. Just another example of Thailand's stoic belief of it being right when in fact the rest of the world having looked at the whole episode ruled it was in fact wrong. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldthaihand99 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 "Suthep playing with Cambodian fire" Bad Suthep. Would the Cambodian army back the Northern reds in a civil war vs Bangkok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijb Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 'Talking gibberish on protest stages...' 'nationalist gibberish...' It's not easy to make sense with a whistle in your mouth... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Yes, there's little to substantiate Suthep's allegations. It makes no sense to use Cambodians. There are plenty of angry Thais who are ready to attack the PDRC, in any case. However, going back to Tharit's suggestion of foreign involvement in the PDRC rallies. Apparently one protest leader, Issara Somchai, has hired some men who claim to be former French Foreign Legion as part of his security detail. Here is one of them: There's no evidence these men have been involved in violence. I only point it out because I saw the suggestion that the FFL were involved - dismissed it as ridiculous - but then someone on Twitter claimed to have spoken to these men who told him that they'd been hired as 'security advisors' for Issara. I guess it's not that strange after all, I've heard that some other prominent Thais also have foreigners advising on security, ex special forces and the like. Presumably these guys are just there to give advice, not actually use weapons... I very much doubt any reputable special forces operator would allow themselves to be in a situation where that type of photo can be taken. That farang looks like some walter mitty gym/steroid junkie by the size of him, with the objective of looking cool rather than doing anything substantive. Yeah, of course, a lot of people claim to be ex special forces. Maybe just some wannabes in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Of course what would happen if the media refused to be used like a fog horn and actually demanded that these claims be substantiatedm You expect the Thai press to play hardball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Question. Has the Cambodian army been the first to cast any stone during this 5 or 6 years of nonsense. Seems Suthep is playing with thai fire. Are you forgetting the border clashes before the 2011 election? Admittedly, they weren't stones being lobbed into eastern Thailand, who the instigators were is subject to dispute, but the timing was very convenient and beneficial to an "eternal friend". If I remember, it wasn't proven who started it, but I think safe to say, Thailand has more to gain than Cambodia. Please send these nationalists down there to solve the problems. I'm sure the Cambodians would quake in their boots. Scoundrels the lot of them. Chris Baker pointed the finger at nationalists for the clash. Suggested it was instigated by those who didn't want the election to go ahead. I don't know. Not sure how sparking up nationalist frenzy would've helped Thaksin though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spalpeen Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 "Gibberish". The Nation finally loses patience with Suthep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtFarmer Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 "And, with the result of Thailand's election uncertain, Yingluck might have lost her chance to handle the Preah Vihear case altogether. Instead, we could see Suthep or his former Democrat Party colleagues installed in power and thereby in position to talk with Cambodia about the issue. History might yet repeat itself. Suthep and the protest leaders must not burn their bridges with Cambodia. They might need them someday." -- The Nation 2014-02-04 HMMMMMM>....... Hark, I hear a cannon roar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Well the Yellows have a past history of this right? Creating the Preah Vihar Temple incident to descredit PT - where none existed. Cambodian Wizards in some of their mystical conspiracy theories (Robe ceremony, Erwana shrine smashing) , Navy claiming armed Cambodian infiltrators etc Why wouldn't Suthep go back to the well one more time. It's not like he has anything to lose, or anybody besides his faithful actually believe these tall tales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 But, but, but,... Mr. Suthep, Cambodia is Thaksin's territory due to his mutual relationship with Hun Sen,... if you know what I mean,.,,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLing Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Next Headlines wlil be:"We are very sorry but we never mentioned Cambodia, that was a double send by the opposition" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Well; if you can't start a war in your own country then why not stir enough shit with a neighbour to start one with them ? Suthep is now a desperate Man but lets face it; it wasn't him who started the crap about Cambodians being involved it was the Thai Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireMedic Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Well, all I know is in Cambodia, tour guides are well dressed, polite, and speak just about every language. Tuk Tuks are 2$ where ever you go. The taxi's are clean and metered. I'd just assume have them running the joint...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 lets face it; it wasn't him who started the crap about Cambodians being involved it was the Thai Navy. Uh, there like on the same side .... see what Happens when they do something - like that actress did so many years ago - wether true or not and then the cambos get riled up and go torch 35 million in Thai business and infrastructure. No war, cause that would actually mean fighting and given the Thai armies track record - Laos 87/88 - not something they are good at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 "Talking gibberish on protest stages might play well to the local audience..." This pretty much sums it all up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Even with evidence, it's unusual that Suthep would name the actual country of origin for these gunmen. Maybe he's not planing for any future in Thai politics. Quite possibly the powerful person behind the scenes of the Anti-government demostrators, will soon see Suthep as a liability and he may soon "disappear" for other expendable political aspirants from the Demorat party. Edited February 4, 2014 by Time Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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