djjamie Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Suchinda_Kraprayoon.jpgSuchinda_Kraprayoon.jpgKnock / knock, any brains out there? In the 2000 US election only 51.3% of the US electorate turned out - and that was in the absence of outlaw mobs preventing voting. The Thai turnout of 46.7% only validates the true path of Thailand to democracy, rather than a 19th century form of feudalism. Thailand will survive this fight for power, just as Suchinda kraprayoon was chastised and put out to pasture in 1992. In the 2000 US election only 51.3% of the US electorate turned out It is not compulsory to vote in America unlike Thailand where it is compulsory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookiki Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The poll coupled with the sad state of today's journalism shows the inability of Thai newspapers to do any 'fact' checking. The poll purports to represent Thais from all walks of life but no information is available on the demographics of those polled. The figure for voter 'turnout' is flawed because it compares the number of people who voted compared to the number of people eligible to vote. The more realistic figure for the 'current' turnout would be to take the number of people who voted in relation to the number of people in constituencies that could vote with no problems. I am sure that the figure would change considerably. The poll should have also asked such questions about the PDRCs actions to block advance voting and obstructing the delivery of ballots and whether such actions are viewed as 'democratic'. Lastly, how do pollsters in Thailand contact people? There are no phone directories of which I am aware. Do they have information that is not available to the public at large? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShannonT Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Lastly, how do pollsters in Thailand contact people? There are no phone directories of which I am aware. Do they have information that is not available to the public at large? Maybe they walk from Asoke to Lumpini and back to Asoke asking everyone they encounter for their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaigold Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Lastly, how do pollsters in Thailand contact people? There are no phone directories of which I am aware. Do they have information that is not available to the public at large? Maybe they walk from Asoke to Lumpini and back to Asoke asking everyone they encounter for their opinion. Free food, free entertainment, and the camaraderie of like minded "protesters" - what do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaigold Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 It is interesting that although this site "Thai Visa" is in Thailand, you can only write in English. Maybe someone could explain, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I bet Yingluck gonna make a public announcement soon, while shedding some crocodile tears, that she want to resign for the good of the country but that the constitution doesn't allow her to. CMPO: PM cannot quit until new Govt is formed BANGKOK, 7 January 2014 (NNT) – The Center for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) has reaffirmed that the Prime Minister cannot resign from her post until the new government has been set up. If the PM or the care-taker PM falls terminally ill or is incapacitated, what happens then? PM can still not resign? Hard to believe. There is nothing in the constitution that says the PM can't resign during caretaker mode. The constitution does however mention a variety of circumstances under which the PM can leave office. Resigning is one of them, and there is no qualification about 'caretaker mode'. Several interpretations of the constitution are readily available via Google, anyone can check for themselves (see the section on Council of Ministers). They really do treat the electorate with contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uty6543 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 It is interesting that although this site "Thai Visa" is in Thailand, you can only write in English. Maybe someone could explain, no? You have been a member of TV for almost 10 years and you still don't know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 So who is behind this NIDA poll organisation? Anyone knows that? Could be TAT This is the intelligent question because somebody is clearly behind the poll and the faint smell of agenda is pervasive. These polls are always hopeless, full of leading questions and the mumbers are usually reported in a torturous manner that raise more questions than they answer. I wouldn't read much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy99 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) NIDA ... poll from 1259 samples of all Levels of education they found still protesting in the streets of Bangkok.. I guess NIDA must be a subdivision of PDRC or may be Abhisits uncle sits in the Gremium Counts the vote's after poll.. seldom read such a Nonsens.. they should better just Count all the given votes in the 2nd february poll and count what the People want,, that would Show some truth.. not like the "wishing dreams" of NIDA's 1259 handselected "voters"... Edited February 7, 2014 by Hardy99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 no no that would result in an almighty violent confrontation ,the reds have already stated that if such a thing happens then there would be civil war ,they wont swallow it again .theyve been shat on too many times . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 It is interesting that although this site "Thai Visa" is in Thailand, you can only write in English. Maybe someone could explain, no? Possibly because most of the posters on this site are foreigners with English as their first language or are literate in English. Also there are many Thais on TVF. The Thai language is used on the thai forum. Would you like the forum posters to use Spanish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 It is interesting that although this site "Thai Visa" is in Thailand, you can only write in English. Maybe someone could explain, no? Many people do bend the rules and write......RUBBISH ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartakos Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 If she would resign and appoint someone less dividing to represent the PTP electorate (and of course they have to be represented) both sides could start a negotiation and move the country forward, there are too many people hating this family now to ever cope with them being in power, is there noone with less bad history to lead the coalition, why does she cling to power so hard? Why does the greed of this family destroying the country? Take your ill gotten money and leave the politics, you've got more than you can spend in several lifetimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourmanflint Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 PTP poll predicts they will win over 300 seats and all the reds justify YL's position to stay. 5 days later another poll shows the majority think she should go.. Ergo the reds bash the poll as meaningless. Classic schizoid rationalization of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suriya4 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 If she would resign and appoint someone less dividing to represent the PTP electorate (and of course they have to be represented) both sides could start a negotiation and move the country forward, there are too many people hating this family now to ever cope with them being in power, is there noone with less bad history to lead the coalition, why does she cling to power so hard? Why does the greed of this family destroying the country? Take your ill gotten money and leave the politics, you've got more than you can spend in several lifetimes. She would resign and appoint Yaowapa Wongsawat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShannonT Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 NIDA ... poll from 1259 samples of all Levels of education they found still protesting in the streets of Bangkok.. I guess NIDA must be a subdivision of PDRC or may be Abhisits uncle sits in the Gremium Counts the vote's after poll.. seldom read such a Nonsens.. they should better just Count all the given votes in the 2nd february poll and count what the People want,, that would Show some truth.. not like the "wishing dreams" of NIDA's 1259 handselected "voters"... And let's not forget that only slightly more than 50% of those thought that Yingluck should step down. Not to mention how the rest of the country thinks. After all, Bangkok is the home of the Democ rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 What do you think Thaksin's next move will be? He is smarter than most Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 If the election is nullified and Yingluck resigns it will be a victory for mob rule. Presumably in future we need not bother with elections at all, just raise a few thousand followers, march into Bangkok and seize parliament whenever you take a dislike to the government's policies. This is the problem with all these hypocritical Thai protests and close downs. It's a Thai establishment selection as to who and what group can do it with the blessings of the army and police. The police and army are corrupted to the establishment elite, that is exactly the problem with the Thai nation and why it needs reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawnie Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Why should she step down? She is clearly The best and most loved Prime Minister Thailand has ever had. She is more popular than her brother (the font of all evil) and more popular than the butchers of Bangkok. Thailand needs a strong honest, dedicated stateswoman for P.M., not a cute, cuddly, bimbo that uses Facebook and Skype for running a government. Playtime is over, the bell has rung, time for some serious changes to get this country back on High Speed Track. There's one problem with your idea. Er...uh, YL won the election AGAIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Why should she step down? She is clearly The best and most loved Prime Minister Thailand has ever had. She is more popular than her brother (the font of all evil) and more popular than the butchers of Bangkok. Thailand needs a strong honest, dedicated stateswoman for P.M., not a cute, cuddly, bimbo that uses Facebook and Skype for running a government. Playtime is over, the bell has rung, time for some serious changes to get this country back on High Speed Track. There's one problem with your idea. Er...uh, YL won the election AGAIN. With 8 million votes out of a total of 20 million votes from an electorate of 48 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I think people need to learn a bit about polling and statistics before they comment on the validity of this poll. The biggest problem with this poll is how it was reported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thormaturge Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 If the election is nullified and Yingluck resigns it will be a victory for mob rule. Presumably in future we need not bother with elections at all, just raise a few thousand followers, march into Bangkok and seize parliament whenever you take a dislike to the government's policies. This isn't about numbers at marches or rallies...... how many showed up at Thaksin's last few shindigs?...... it's about the feeling in the country and inevitability of change. The people have had their fill of cheating politicians on all sides and Suthep has just been the catalyst for this awakening. It isn't a victory for the Dems but a signal to PT that enough is enough. ... then campaign at the next election on a reform ticket. That is what real politicians do. If the majority really do want reform more than they want a ThB 500 note then you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 The PDRC prevented a lot of people from voting. Isn't it a bit premature for people to say less than half of the people voted? This was part of the strategy, right? As with all poll, you need to see the way in which the question was asked and the demographics of those polled for it to claim that it has some legitimacy. Very true. That's why countries have this thing called Democracy. If you don't know what the people want, it's impossible to get a clear picture. If the big majority of the country are really against Yingluck and Puea Thai, then the best way for Suthep to get rid of them would be allowing elections to take place, no? Or is he afraid that allowing everyone to vote will paint a different picture than blocked and incomplete elections? You must be new to Thailand. In the last election it was made perfectly clear that a lot of people want Thaksin Shinawatra and what he supposedly can do for them. Did they get it? quote from Thaksin Shinawatra "give me 6 months and I will make you all rich" You really don't understand the facts of democracy. It is just a word with many different ways to apply it. Here in Thailand it is used to put people into positions where they may steal the countries treasury blind. The people do not want that but they are not informed on what they are voting for. But that is what they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thormaturge Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Here in Thailand it is used to put people into positions where they may steal the countries treasury blind. i agree with you, and frankly all this current fuss just suggests to me that Suthep wants another go at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docno Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Actually, the survey numbers aren't that bad compared to what you would see in many western democracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup-O-coffee Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 It is Pure insanity to trash a poll of those grounds. If and when Thailand becomes a real democracy with a contented population she will be lucky to poll such a high number of votes in any election. One just has to look at polling turn-out in long established democracies around the world to see that. Thailand is already a democracy, if "rule by majority" has any say over the matter; ...although you would get into deep lunatic debate over what a Thai thinks "majority" is. To them, "majority" equates with the number of bahts on the table. Much better it would be were Thailand to become a republic, where "rule by law" would better suit the little guy when the "majority" turns against him. Respect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Liars, damned liars and those who quote statistics. Not sure where this poll falls. Confusing at best. Only 12.97% want Yingluck to step down, but 55.76 % think the leader of the caretaker government should step down. Who commissioned this pole? What were the exact questions? Because these two answers are entirely different. Did the pole designer not know what he/she was doing or did he/she know exactly what they were doing and framed the questions in a way to get the answer they wanted. If you go by the poles the Republicans won the US presidential race and Romney is president of the United States. According to there poles anyway. The percentages are answers to two completely different questions. Here, let me show you: Question 1) Asked why only 46.7% of eligible voters nationwide turned out to vote in the Feb 2 polls, 24.16% of the respondents thought it was because the people were unhappy with current politics and the election system, 23.86% of them believe the people were fed up with politics, Nida Poll reported. Some 21.01% of the sample believed it was because the people opposed the Thaksin regime, 12.97% said the people wanted caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to step down, 11.93% said it was caused by other reasons -- some polling stations were blocked by anti-government protesters of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), people’s concerns over their safety, people were not free and were busy working in other provinces, and 6.07% were unsure. Question 2) Asked what the caretaker government should do in the current situation, 55.76% of the respondents said Ms Yingluck should step down to open way for the selection of an impartial prime minister, 21.21% of them said do nothing and continue to work as a caretaker administration. Only 6.20% wanted the caretaker government to use force to disperse the anti-government protesters, 4.92% said all sides should turn to talks and jointly find a way out of the political crisis, while 11.91% made no comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCauto Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I believe I have resolved the issue of NIDA's methodology and impartiality. This from the Asoke protest site on Monday night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnikaIII Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) I bet Yingluck gonna make a public announcement soon, while shedding some crocodile tears, that she want to resign for the good of the country but that the constitution doesn't allow her to. CMPO: PM cannot quit until new Govt is formed BANGKOK, 7 January 2014 (NNT) – The Center for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) has reaffirmed that the Prime Minister cannot resign from her post until the new government has been set up. Ho hum ... Edited February 13, 2014 by TechnikaIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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