Over 1,000 complaints for lawsuits against government received

[Lite Beer]

Over 1,000 complaints for lawsuits against government received

BANGKOK: -- Over 1,000 complaints have been lodged by rice farmers with the Law Council of Thailand seeking lawsuits against the government to demand their overdue rice payments.

The Law Council of Thailand is flooded with complaints from the farmers after the People’s Democratic Reform Committee has agreed to pay court fees on behalf of the farmers. Also the council has agreed to defend the cases for the farmers free of charge.

Council president Dej-udom Krairit said today that the farmers had no other choices but to take their cases to the court so long as the government is unable to pay them the overdue rice payments.

Of the over 1,000 complaints received, about 200 of them came from farmers in Phichit province, said Mr Dej-udom, adding that he had instructed provincial law councils to set up teams of lawyers responsible for farmers’ cases.

The court fees to be paid to the courts by the PDRC are part of public donations received by the PDRC from its fund-raising marches since the weekend.

Source: http://englishnews.t...rnment-received

-- Thai PBS 2014-02-10

[Costas2008]

Wasting your time farmers.

This government doesn't give a rat's arse about lawsuits or court rulings.

Just hang on to power against the peoples wishes, regardless if they are hurting the same people they voted for them.

Edited February 10, 2014 by Costas2008

[Trembly]

To look on the bright side, it's great that the farmers are learning and flexing.

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[Scamper]

This issue is a legal one through and through, both from the standpoint of the illegal practices of the administration in the administering of the rice scandal, and from the farmers who were the victims of it. Recourse through the courts was inevitable but also the most peaceful solution. The Yingluck administration has left the farmers with no other recourse. And trying to get the farmers to stand down hasn't worked. As long as the PDRC can directly tie their cause and lend their financial support to this issue will be to the degree that they can keep their coalition alive. This is not about how many people are on the street. It's about what they are saying. When the various courts hear these issues they will not calculate the power of argument through the masses they inspire. They will weigh the power of argument through the facts. And the facts are compelling.

[kratiam]

This issue is a legal one through and through, both from the standpoint of the illegal practices of the administration in the administering of the rice scandal, and from the farmers who were the victims of it. Recourse through the courts was inevitable but also the most peaceful solution. The Yingluck administration has left the farmers with no other recourse. And trying to get the farmers to stand down hasn't worked. As long as the PDRC can directly tie their cause and lend their financial support to this issue will be to the degree that they can keep their coalition alive. This is not about how many people are on the street. It's about what they are saying. When the various courts hear these issues they will not calculate the power of argument through the masses they inspire. They will weigh the power of argument through the facts. And the facts are compelling.

Excellent....thank you for this posting.

[Robby nz]

Where are the reds through all of this ?

Only thing I have heard is Tida saying the protesting farmers are fake farmers and reds intimidating farmers who were protesting.

You would have thought that as they hold themselves up as the champions of the poor that they would be trying to help the farmers rather than denigrate and threaten them.

It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Can we get a ruling that forces the government to pay, thus letting the government borrow the money as a legal obligation the courts imposed on them?

It sounds like a route that would eliminate the EC block on bond issues. I see it's a PDRC lawyer front, but nevertheless, one that actually might serve a useful purpose if the ruling requires government pay.

Plus it establishes the rice pledge as legally enforced government debt, which gives the farmers an asset to borrow against.

[Siripon]

Can we get a ruling that forces the government to pay, thus letting the government borrow the money as a legal obligation the courts imposed on them?

It sounds like a route that would eliminate the EC block on bond issues. I see it's a PDRC lawyer front, but nevertheless, one that actually might serve a useful purpose if the ruling requires government pay.

Plus it establishes the rice pledge as legally enforced government debt, which gives

the farmers an asset to borrow against.

Why doesn't the government sell the rice it has in stock?

[casualbiker]

Can we get a ruling that forces the government to pay, thus letting the government borrow the money as a legal obligation the courts imposed on them?

It sounds like a route that would eliminate the EC block on bond issues. I see it's a PDRC lawyer front, but nevertheless, one that actually might serve a useful purpose if the ruling requires government pay.

Plus it establishes the rice pledge as legally enforced government debt, which gives the farmers an asset to borrow against.

So why doesn't the Caretaker government ask for a ruling??

They just have to ask for clarity themselves. No?

[SamMunich]

Careful!

The law suits will most likely be against the organization "the government", not the persons.

When these figures finally fall - and they will fall - then the new government has to take responsibility, like it or not. It's also about a lot of money, and I don't think the farmers will say, o.k. we'll drop the cases and forget about the money we wanted...

[fab4]

Where are the reds through all of this ?

Only thing I have heard is Tida saying the protesting farmers are fake farmers and reds intimidating farmers who were protesting.

You would have thought that as they hold themselves up as the champions of the poor that they would be trying to help the farmers rather than denigrate and threaten them.

It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them.

So you don't think suthep is using the farmers to try and apply more pressure on the government because everything he has tried up to now is failed.

"It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them".

Are you really that naive?

[djjamie]

One could say this is one thousand conspiracy theories. All 1000 complaints are not real. All agenda driven. All "pretend" farmers. Evil, evil folk that want to dismantle a pure loving government that strictly adhere to all principles of democracy.

Don't forget the farmers are the "in group" when they voted for the PTP. When they have not been paid, are starving, are committing suicide, democratically performing their right to protest and suing the government then they are automatically the "out group" and should be demonized as such.

Take Chiang Mai and the RCM51 terrorist group out of the picture they are nothing. They are being propped up by a fanatical terrorist wing of the PTP and that hurts them.

An inconvenient truth if you must.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Can we get a ruling that forces the government to pay, thus letting the government borrow the money as a legal obligation the courts imposed on them?

It sounds like a route that would eliminate the EC block on bond issues. I see it's a PDRC lawyer front, but nevertheless, one that actually might serve a useful purpose if the ruling requires government pay.

Plus it establishes the rice pledge as legally enforced government debt, which gives the farmers an asset to borrow against.

So why doesn't the Caretaker government ask for a ruling??

They just have to ask for clarity themselves. No?

Nope, the civil court is adversarial system, you can't have a lawsuit without an adversary to sue.

It's not about clarity, it's about removing the choice of delayed payment due to EC.

[casualbiker]

Can we get a ruling that forces the government to pay, thus letting the government borrow the money as a legal obligation the courts imposed on them?

It sounds like a route that would eliminate the EC block on bond issues. I see it's a PDRC lawyer front, but nevertheless, one that actually might serve a useful purpose if the ruling requires government pay.

Plus it establishes the rice pledge as legally enforced government debt, which gives the farmers an asset to borrow against.

So why doesn't the Caretaker government ask for a ruling??

They just have to ask for clarity themselves. No?

Nope, the civil court is adversarial system, you can't have a lawsuit without an adversary to sue.

It's not about clarity, it's about removing the choice of delayed payment due to EC.

i meant the constitution court as that's what the delay is about Yingluck dissolved government before taking adequate steps to ensure payment. Every one on the government side say's the money is in the central budget but they cannot access it because of being in caretaker mode (their choice). Therefore asking the constitution court is the appropriate reaction, rather than blame every one except themselves..

[Siripon]

I had to laugh when Yingluck pleaded today not to politicise the plight of the farmers.

So, the policy of the government to pay 15,000 baht for every grain of rice wasn't a political policy?

It was purely to win votes, ignoring the damage to the quality of Thai rice, corruption and the damage to the tax payers, as well as loss of world market share.

How idiotic is it possible to be?

[robblok]

Where are the reds through all of this ?

Only thing I have heard is Tida saying the protesting farmers are fake farmers and reds intimidating farmers who were protesting.

You would have thought that as they hold themselves up as the champions of the poor that they would be trying to help the farmers rather than denigrate and threaten them.

It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them.

So you don't think suthep is using the farmers to try and apply more pressure on the government because everything he has tried up to now is failed.

"It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them".

Are you really that naive?

Of course he is using them, just like YL used them to get in power. Everyone is using them.

Suthep wants the government to go for a loan.. the moment they do it they are in legal trouble. The government does want to loan but wants an OK (get out of jail card) They just want others to pay for their mistakes (not paying the farmers earlier, lying about the program, pillaging the program, forging documents, not loaning when they could before dissolving the government).

I feel for all their misdeeds they must be punished.. they could go for the loan help the farmers.. but by doing so they would harm themselves and would be accountable.. now.... guess what is more important to them.

Its not the EC or anyone holding them back.. its them not wanting to take responsibility for their failure and face the consequences.

[h90]

Can we get a ruling that forces the government to pay, thus letting the government borrow the money as a legal obligation the courts imposed on them?

It sounds like a route that would eliminate the EC block on bond issues. I see it's a PDRC lawyer front, but nevertheless, one that actually might serve a useful purpose if the ruling requires government pay.

Plus it establishes the rice pledge as legally enforced government debt, which gives

the farmers an asset to borrow against.

Why doesn't the government sell the rice it has in stock?

Because obviously it was sold already and exist only on the paper or in poor quality.

[djjamie]

Some are saying the subject is being changed from the PDRC's percieved failure to the rice scheme because the PDRC are simply a spent force.

For 2 weeks the argument has been "look at the tiny amount of protestors" and "No one is left" and "this is a tiny minority". Yet the protests continue and the PTP continue to fall.

Populism fails.

I said the following in June last year "Populism is often considered a major factor in the downfall of the great Roman Empire and should be considered one of the most destructive forces in politics. It is good to see academics with resolute minds and sound judgments voicing a sane reaction to condoners of criminal activity"

Guess what? I was demonized. I was denounced as an anti demoractic coup monger.

Turned out I was right!!!

[Emptyset]

Where are the reds through all of this ?

Only thing I have heard is Tida saying the protesting farmers are fake farmers and reds intimidating farmers who were protesting.

You would have thought that as they hold themselves up as the champions of the poor that they would be trying to help the farmers rather than denigrate and threaten them.

It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them.

So you don't think suthep is using the farmers to try and apply more pressure on the government because everything he has tried up to now is failed.

"It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them".

Are you really that naive?

Indeed. Of course, Robby nz failed to note the red shirt leaders changed tack since the initial claim about 'fake farmers'. Now Thida is saying she sympathizes with the farmers, but the fault lies with the banks, the PDRC and the EC. Neither Suthep's nor the red response is adequate imo. It's obvious the PDRC are using the farmers, pretty much the same people they constantly disparage as 'lacking education about politics' and that Suthep was happy to shoot in 2010 to cling to power. Yet the red shirts should acknowledge the govt failed to secure the money before house dissolution. It was Kittirat's responsibility. Then they should also acknowledge the obvious failings and corruption and the genuine suffering of those who haven't been paid.

That's if you're talking about justice. If we're talking about realpolitik, I'd be doing the same as both sides are currently doing I guess.

[englishoak]

Oh for god sake, the PDRC arnt anything to do with the farmers There is no way the PDRC can claim anything regarding the farmers other than now keeping them from being paid by derailing the election and threatening the banks.

If you wish to say that is an achievement thats up to you, id say its messing up peoples lives even more than the gov by prolonging things for the farmers, and thats pretty good going seeing how incompetent the gov is

[johnmarhall]

Suthep is at lease taking some concern not like the square face and his stupid puppet they just brought the farmers vote and now dont give a <deleted> about them he wanted to set the price high so rice would get a higher price in the world market but it all backfired on the greedy pri*k

[Emptyset]

Wasting your time farmers.

This government doesn't give a rat's arse about lawsuits or court rulings.

Just hang on to power against the peoples wishes, regardless if they are hurting the same people they voted for them.

So what difference would lawsuits or court rulings make? Explain how the caretaker govt could get the money to pay farmers - court rulings or otherwise? And if they're hanging on to power "against the peoples will", all the Democrats need to do is agree to compete in the next election, the govt will accept and then we'll see the Democrats storm to victory with a huge majority. With the support you claim they have, PT will surely be decimated and lose their support in all but the most staunch pro-Thaksin constituencies.

Come on AV, what are you waiting for? The people are speaking. Let's hear their voice in a democratic election. Thaksin will not be looking forward to it given the massive swing in support to the Democrats. Unprecedented in history. The regime is done. All that remains is the vote. I hope it will happen very soon and both sides accept the results. Then the country can move on.

[fleeing]

Wasting your time farmers.

This government doesn't give a rat's arse about lawsuits or court rulings.

Just hang on to power against the peoples wishes, regardless if they are hurting the same people they voted for them.

So what difference would lawsuits or court rulings make? Explain how the caretaker govt could get the money to pay farmers - court rulings or otherwise? And if they're hanging on to power "against the peoples will", all the Democrats need to do is agree to compete in the next election, the govt will accept and then we'll see the Democrats storm to victory with a huge majority. With the support you claim they have, PT will surely be decimated and lose their support in all but the most staunch pro-Thaksin constituencies.

Come on AV, what are you waiting for? The people are speaking. Let's hear their voice in a democratic election. Thaksin will not be looking forward to it given the massive swing in support to the Democrats. Unprecedented in history. The regime is done. All that remains is the vote. I hope it will happen very soon and both sides accept the results. Then the country can move on.

I assume that what AV is waiting for, apart from some clearer signs about reforms, is for Yingluck to admit that the elections are invalid and to declare a new poll date.

But PTP will do everything they can to avoid new elections. They only function properly in a monopoly situation, which explains why parliament was dissolved and the Feb 2 elections announced so quickly. In fact the Shinawatras have a thing about monopolies. Thaksin's first business venture that turned a profit (ICSI) was a monopoly contract, as was the contract granted to AIS that gave him his billions. No surprise then that the rice scam hinged on creating a monopoly and equally no surprise that it has failed miserably.

[northernjohn]

Can we get a ruling that forces the government to pay, thus letting the government borrow the money as a legal obligation the courts imposed on them?

It sounds like a route that would eliminate the EC block on bond issues. I see it's a PDRC lawyer front, but nevertheless, one that actually might serve a useful purpose if the ruling requires government pay.

Plus it establishes the rice pledge as legally enforced government debt, which gives the farmers an asset to borrow against.

It has been almost 5 months. who is going to pay the interest on the loans?

[northernjohn]

Where are the reds through all of this ?

Only thing I have heard is Tida saying the protesting farmers are fake farmers and reds intimidating farmers who were protesting.

You would have thought that as they hold themselves up as the champions of the poor that they would be trying to help the farmers rather than denigrate and threaten them.

It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them.

So you don't think suthep is using the farmers to try and apply more pressure on the government because everything he has tried up to now is failed.

"It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them".

Are you really that naïve?

Speaking of being naive.

If every thing he has tried has failed why did Yingluck dissolve the house? Why is she constantly trying to shut him up?

So you don't think suthep is using the farmers to try and apply more pressure on the government because everything he has tried up to now is failed.

[northernjohn]

Where are the reds through all of this ?

Only thing I have heard is Tida saying the protesting farmers are fake farmers and reds intimidating farmers who were protesting.

You would have thought that as they hold themselves up as the champions of the poor that they would be trying to help the farmers rather than denigrate and threaten them.

It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them.

So you don't think suthep is using the farmers to try and apply more pressure on the government because everything he has tried up to now is failed.

"It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them".

Are you really that naive?

Indeed. Of course, Robby nz failed to note the red shirt leaders changed tack since the initial claim about 'fake farmers'. Now Thida is saying she sympathizes with the farmers, but the fault lies with the banks, the PDRC and the EC. Neither Suthep's nor the red response is adequate imo. It's obvious the PDRC are using the farmers, pretty much the same people they constantly disparage as 'lacking education about politics' and that Suthep was happy to shoot in 2010 to cling to power. Yet the red shirts should acknowledge the govt failed to secure the money before house dissolution. It was Kittirat's responsibility. Then they should also acknowledge the obvious failings and corruption and the genuine suffering of those who haven't been paid.

That's if you're talking about justice. If we're talking about realpolitik, I'd be doing the same as both sides are currently doing I guess.

For crying out loud are you new to the situation or what? The red shirt leaders will say any thing to justify their view point. Even if it is different than what they said yesterday. How many times has their leader said he was out of politics only to turn around and make a political statement? If their leader can't be honest why would you expect his trusted servants to be?

You make no mention of the fact that the PTP used the farmers to get in so that they could be first in line at the trough. You try to justify a illegal coup attempt in 2010 instead.

It would be interesting to see how many farmers were shot and how many bar patrons were shot. I don't expect you to know the count of bar patrons but you seem to know about farmers. How many of them were shot?

[northernjohn]

Yingluck

Look at me I am beautiful I have posed for pictures all over the world and I will make it all right for you just go home and starve to death.

Suthep

Look at me I am not good looking and I was opposed to this hare brained populist scam from the word go. I can not pay you but I can pay the court costs for you to get what the government owes you.

[DrTuner]

If the farmers want a change it's easy enough. Don't sell your rice to red or yellow shirts. There will be legit buyers around once you blacklist the corrupt.

[Thaddeus]

"But, but, the farmers complaints are politically motivated.

Therefore don't count."

The gospel according to Thaksin.

[rametindallas]

Where are the reds through all of this ?

Only thing I have heard is Tida saying the protesting farmers are fake farmers and reds intimidating farmers who were protesting.

You would have thought that as they hold themselves up as the champions of the poor that they would be trying to help the farmers rather than denigrate and threaten them.

It would seem that Suthep is the only one actually doing something to help them.

Thida and the UDD were creations of Dr. Thaksin, who totally funds and controls the organization. They say one thing, i.e. helping the poor, but their loyalty is to the paymaster.