Abhisit sets conditions for contesting election

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Abhisit sets conditions for contesting election
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva has hinted that the party will take part in a new election if the Yingluck government accepts four proposals.

The proposals are derived from the results of a recent survey of protesters that was conducted in an attempt to find ways the warring parties can find a common ground.

The proposals are: implementing national reform, no coups, stop proceeding with the February 2 election and a neutral body must manage national reform and there must be a fresh national election.

"If the PM wants to safeguard democracy as she had said, she must accept the four wishes of the people," Abhisit said.

"If there is reform and a new election is accepted by all parties, the Democrat Party is ready to take part in the new election."


-- The Nation 2014-02-11

[Robby nz]

Please specify national reform.

Korn was supposed to be taking time off from party management to implement reform proposals, where are they and what are they ?

[ShannonT]

It would be great if Abhisit and Suthep could finally define reform. The word has such a broad meaning its impossible to know what he means.

[Cricketnut]

Where are you going to get the neutral body from? Japan, Australia? Cause that's what you're going to have to do..... You all ready for it? It is abundantly clear that Thais cannot do this themselves. You need to forget about face and ask for help Thailand.

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[Fryslan boppe]

"If the PM wants to safeguard democracy as she had said, she must accept the four wishes of the people," Abhisit said."

Same old, same old from someone frothing at the mouth about wanting to be PM. but rejected at every turn...A one-trick pony Elitist, thinking he doesn't need to reform himself or his party, so the electorate must.

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

Follow the bouncing ball of all this coup-intentioned noise - anti-amnesty stuff...then... anti-Thaksin opionating...then... anti-electoral activism...then...reform before election.... now.... nullify, the election......What next? ....At least they are consistent in one thing....The underpinning of it all. Coup-intentionism by those who cannot be elected by "The People"

The most pitiful thing however is all this self-righteous, holier-than-thou bleating about 'reform'....If their intentions were honorable, they would take their opinionating about this to Parliament....But they know they will always be the minority there, as long as they don't conform themselves to the wishes of "The people"....Their entitlement arrogance doesn't allow them to do that...In their 'humble' opinion, "The people" need to 'conform' themselves to their enlightened Political insights.....

Next time I will tell you what I really think

Edited February 11, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[jollyman]

No one has a plan, what a bunch of losers

[noitom]

Abhisit proposing five (5) reforms not four as he states. Abhisit would of course be part of the "neutral" reform committee. The reform committee should be designated by the people in each province. 77 provinces represented. Number of delegates from each province based on the population. Thais should also be putting ordinary Thais in the delegations , you know those with no teeth and no money. They are Thais right and they have the right to vote and to determine the priorities of their future.

[englishoak]

Ahhh come on stop being so loose with the details..... this is a broken record. What kind of statement is that ??? DETAILS please or go find a Dem that can actually outline a proposal properly... get rid of this lame duck where the heck is Korn ?

[jollyman]

"Thais should also be putting ordinary Thais in the delegations"

Well a great idea, but as you say Money Money Money, so no change, no reform, same old power families, retired military,corruption on and onwards

Edited February 11, 2014 by jollyman

[Thai at Heart]

U think Suthep gives a damn what abhisit is saying.

He wants ys out with no.election.

[WhizBang]

Please specify national reform.

Korn was supposed to be taking time off from party management to implement reform proposals, where are they and what are they ?

Read this: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/703584-fixing-corruption-in-our-govt-system-must-be-a-top-priority-thai-opinion/

I have not seen part 1, but if it is as good as this, it is a winner.

[crazykopite]

Reform your own party first before attempting to clean up others you Sir were and are no better than than the shins.

[Tatsujin]

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

The people (most of them) voted already.

43 million (roughly) of the population were eligible to vote, yet only 20 million (roughly) did so out of a population of 70 million or so. That's less than 30% of the entire population. And (let's say) PT got around 50% of that vote, it means PT are only approved by around 15% of the population.

Is my maths correct? Did "the people" really vote for PT this time around?

[Thait Spot]

"If the PM wants to safeguard democracy as she had said, she must accept the four wishes of the people," Abhisit said."

Same old, same old from someone frothing at the mouth about wanting to be PM. but rejected at every turn...A one-trick pony Elitist, thinking he doesn't need to reform himself or his party, so the electorate must.

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

Follow the bouncing ball of all this coup-intentioned noise - anti-amnesty stuff...then... anti-Thaksin opionating...then... anti-electoral activism...then...reform before election.... now.... nullify, the election......What next? ....At least they are consistent in one thing....The underpinning of it all. Coup-intentionism by those who cannot be elected by "The People"

The most pitiful thing however is all this self-righteous, holier-than-thou bleating about 'reform'....If their intentions were honorable, they would take their opinionating about this to Parliament....But they know they will always be the minority there, as long as they don't conform themselves to the wishes of "The people"....Their entitlement arrogance doesn't allow them to do that...In their 'humble' opinion, "The people" need to 'conform' themselves to their enlightened Political insights.....

Next time I will tell you what I really think

If you take the time to read the news you will see that there have been a number of polls conducted that Abhisit is referring to - these represent the people, albeit a small cross section.

Instead every post of your reds the same - frothing, elitist, coup mongers, shadowy, coup-intentionism (twice), self-righteous, holier-than-thou - it's all very repetitive and very, very boring

Your understnding of the written word is also severely flawed:

coup-intentioned (read what Abhisit said again)

anti-electoral (read what Abhisit said again)

reform before election (read what Abhisit said again)

Please feel free to add value to the forum - but don't keep ranting on here some some deranged preacher using the same words in every post and failing to keep up with the news and even worse, failing to comprehend it.

[Nickymaster]

"If the PM wants to safeguard democracy as she had said, she must accept the four wishes of the people," Abhisit said."

Same old, same old from someone frothing at the mouth about wanting to be PM. but rejected at every turn...A one-trick pony Elitist, thinking he doesn't need to reform himself or his party, so the electorate must.

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

Follow the bouncing ball of all this coup-intentioned noise - anti-amnesty stuff...then... anti-Thaksin opionating...then... anti-electoral activism...then...reform before election.... now.... nullify, the election......What next? ....At least they are consistent in one thing....The underpinning of it all. Coup-intentionism by those who cannot be elected by "The People"

The most pitiful thing however is all this self-righteous, holier-than-thou bleating about 'reform'....If their intentions were honorable, they would take their opinionating about this to Parliament....But they know they will always be the minority there, as long as they don't conform themselves to the wishes of "The people"....Their entitlement arrogance doesn't allow them to do that...In their 'humble' opinion, "The people" need to 'conform' themselves to their enlightened Political insights.....

Next time I will tell you what I really think

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

If you knew how to read into the results you would know that your post is a joke. Try again.

[virtualtraveller]

Sounds more genuine and reasonable to me than Yingluck lamely clinging to power and trying to organise a partisan reform agenda. Pity all these silly people in this thread who are blind to the mass discontent at corruption and MAJORITY who opted to not vote for a party in this last election, truth is we need this reform urgently and it isn't helping when the peanut gallery perpetually ask what exactly 'reform' is. Several proposals have been put out, even the PDRC have had some brainstorming but key to holistic reform is that various parties come to the table with suggestions and no fixed agenda and by neutral, we mean a panel with representatives from all main parties and groups but not partisan to Peua Thai or Democrats.

[whoisyourdaddy]

"If the PM wants to safeguard democracy as she had said, she must accept the four wishes of the people," Abhisit said."

Same old, same old from someone frothing at the mouth about wanting to be PM. but rejected at every turn...A one-trick pony Elitist, thinking he doesn't need to reform himself or his party, so the electorate must.

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

Follow the bouncing ball of all this coup-intentioned noise - anti-amnesty stuff...then... anti-Thaksin opionating...then... anti-electoral activism...then...reform before election.... now.... nullify, the election......What next? ....At least they are consistent in one thing....The underpinning of it all. Coup-intentionism by those who cannot be elected by "The People"

The most pitiful thing however is all this self-righteous, holier-than-thou bleating about 'reform'....If their intentions were honorable, they would take their opinionating about this to Parliament....But they know they will always be the minority there, as long as they don't conform themselves to the wishes of "The people"....Their entitlement arrogance doesn't allow them to do that...In their 'humble' opinion, "The people" need to 'conform' themselves to their enlightened Political insights.....

Next time I will tell you what I really think

Do share what those "people" said on 2 feb???

[DoctorG]

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

The people (most of them) voted already.

43 million (roughly) of the population were eligible to vote, yet only 20 million (roughly) did so out of a population of 70 million or so. That's less than 30% of the entire population. And (let's say) PT got around 50% of that vote, it means PT are only approved by around 15% of the population.

Is my maths correct? Did "the people" really vote for PT this time around?

1. The people were denied the opportunity to vote for the Dems by... the Dems.

2. There are not 70 million voters in TL

[wolfmanjack]

Maybe a national referendum to see if the majority of thais want reform and if so what kind of reforms would end the bickering.

[Tatsujin]

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

The people (most of them) voted already.

43 million (roughly) of the population were eligible to vote, yet only 20 million (roughly) did so out of a population of 70 million or so. That's less than 30% of the entire population. And (let's say) PT got around 50% of that vote, it means PT are only approved by around 15% of the population.

Is my maths correct? Did "the people" really vote for PT this time around?

1. The people were denied the opportunity to vote for the Dems by... the Dems.

2. There are not 70 million voters in TL

I said population of 70 million (the people).

And the Dems stopped 20 million people voting? Wow, gotta give them credit.

[Artisi]

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

The people (most of them) voted already.

43 million (roughly) of the population were eligible to vote, yet only 20 million (roughly) did so out of a population of 70 million or so. That's less than 30% of the entire population. And (let's say) PT got around 50% of that vote, it means PT are only approved by around 15% of the population.

Is my maths correct? Did "the people" really vote for PT this time around?

Oh yes, everyone why turned out for the election to exercise their democratic right voted for PTP - just ask the PTP and the red trolls, they will confirm it over and over.

[icommunity]

Why didn't he accept the 2 Feb election? All the conditions he mentioned were already existed. Will there be another election blockage game and become like a never ending game? If he can come up with a clear proposal to prevent anti election blocking activities, I am prepare to have new election if all other 2 Feb participating parties agreed and 2 Feb poll was constitutional.

AV's argument that PM must accept the protesters (he called it the people) 4 conditions to safeguard democracy was a poor one. His silent on the anti election and violence protest activities means he lose the legitimacy to use democracy as argument.

However, I support a new election to help the dem to get out of the mess they created for the country, the people and for themselves.

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[Artisi]

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

The people (most of them) voted already.

43 million (roughly) of the population were eligible to vote, yet only 20 million (roughly) did so out of a population of 70 million or so. That's less than 30% of the entire population. And (let's say) PT got around 50% of that vote, it means PT are only approved by around 15% of the population.

Is my maths correct? Did "the people" really vote for PT this time around?

1. The people were denied the opportunity to vote for the Dems by... the Dems.

2. There are not 70 million voters in TL

I said population of 70 million (the people).

And the Dems stopped 20 million people voting? Wow, gotta give them credit.

And any Dems who did vote won't have voted PTP.

[Jasun]

I thought by law those who didn't vote were ineligible to contest the next election?

[icommunity]

Abhisit proposing five (5) reforms not four as he states. Abhisit would of course be part of the "neutral" reform committee. The reform committee should be designated by the people in each province. 77 provinces represented. Number of delegates from each province based on the population. Thais should also be putting ordinary Thais in the delegations , you know those with no teeth and no money. They are Thais right and they have the right to vote and to determine the priorities of their future.

I am afraid the neutral people he mentioned were the unelected people of people council. He should tell the peaceful people who he would propose.

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[chainarong]

To be honest the reform that the PTP is thinking of and what the others are thinking are two different things, the level of corruption at high levels in the administration dictates that the only way forward for the PTP is bulldozing through their own brand of reforms and therein lies the problem , unless everyone is on the same page , in- fighting and protests will continue.

Edited February 11, 2014 by chainarong

[djjamie]

It would be great if Abhisit and Suthep could finally define reform. The word has such a broad meaning its impossible to know what he means.

There are 15 Pheu Thai ministers up on corruption charges and the PM is currently being investigated by the NACC. So corruption could be a good place to start the reform.

An amnesty that sailed through the lower house by a vote of 307-0 of which while the voice of the electorate were 61% against it. So the abuse of power is a good one to reform too.

A deputy PM that was forced by the courts after pushing by the DEMs to hold public water management hearings to ensure transparency. That same DPM telling voters they are garbage because they raised concerns about the scheme. So reform on Majority rule and Minority rights.

Trying to push a 2.2 trillion baht loan through "off budget" of which 750 billion was allocated to a high speed train that (with interest) would take 432 years to get a return on investment when they can't even manage to organize 120 billion baht before being dissolved. So fiscal discipline reform is a good one too.

When asked about the rice scheme deals the PTP kept it all a secret. Secret G2G deals. Hazy replies regarding rice stocks and current losses. Daring to ask Supa to prove allegations of corruption when she raised the point and then removing her from her position and investigating her as opposed to saying thank you for highlighting this. We will investigate the scheme. So government transparency and receptiveness to corruption allagetions is a good one to reform too. BTW - An innocent PM would thank Supa and get right onto investigation the scheme not the woman.

Setting up 2 anti corruption panels that have done nothing to stamp out corruption and then pass an amnesty bill that would get over 25 000 people of corruption charges. So following through with pledges and making governments accountable if they go back on them is a good reform plan too.

[toybits]

Isn't it a bit too late for Abhisit to be making demands when the people have already spoken? They tried to muzzle the Thai people by supporting Mr. Suthep's mob. They tried to steal ballot boxes and prevent election officials from doing their duty. They tried to prevent government from working. Now they are claiming they have the voice of the people? Give me a break - Mr. Abhisit!!!

[Red Snake]

Abhisit needs to accept one condition. He resign as leader of the Democracies and leave the country, maybe Dubai, and never show his face in Thailand again. Once was enough, they now need to rebuild without him.

[Emptyset]

As in this quote....."Four wishes of the people"?....Since when are these electoral minority coup-mongers and their shadowy supporters "The people"?........The people spoke on Feb. 2nd. and he is so afraid of what they said. He wants to 'deep-six' their opinion.

The people (most of them) voted already.

43 million (roughly) of the population were eligible to vote, yet only 20 million (roughly) did so out of a population of 70 million or so. That's less than 30% of the entire population. And (let's say) PT got around 50% of that vote, it means PT are only approved by around 15% of the population.

Is my maths correct? Did "the people" really vote for PT this time around?

If they got 50% of the vote (constituency), it'd still amount to more votes than the Democrats got during the last election.