Academics divided over appointed PM for next govt

[millwall_fan]

Thailand was doing perfectly well under Yingluck until Suthep started his shenanigans. The economy was flourishing and we had a government that was trying to redistribute wealth to the people through the minimum wage and the rice pledging scheme. They were also enriching themselves through their rake offs from every deal, but that didn't make them any different from any other government.

The problem was that the Shinawatras were outsiders. They are country folk - only elite in a strictly Chiang Mai sense. They didn't understand that they were supposed to divvy up the proceeds of corruption so that those at the apex of the Ruling Elite got their share of the goodies and were treated with the respect they felt they were due.

The Elites are also scared stiff of the ordinary Thais, who they have exploited for the past hundred years or more and want to continue exploiting. Empowering ordinary folk reduces them to driving around Bangkok in their Benzes and BMW's to show everyone how important they are - the wais aren't quite as low as they once were.

So they employed Mr. Suthep to try to dislodge the Shins. He has failed thus far because Prayuth refused to to mount a military coup because he and a very few others realise that with no Thaksin, the hard left will take over Peua Thai - this minority of the Ruling Elite, understand that Thaksin is preferable to Jutaporn or Tilda whose socialism/populism shows Thaksin's up as mere rhetoric. Under military rule the hard left could regroup and plan then come the eventual but inevitable election, they would sweep to power.

No the elites will try to use the judiciary to remove the Shins and ban their political party for a 3rd time. The trouble is that the judiciary has now lost what little credibility it had with Thais and the outside world and a 3rd ban would confirm that they are irretrievably biased.

Time to sue for peace with the Shinawatras? They would concede a lot at this stage and then everyone could go back to the happy chaotic corrupt, but surprisingly successful Thailand inc. that existed prior to last October.

Either written by a blind fool, or a wind-up merchant... 1, Thailand was NOT doing perfectly well... 2, The Shinewatra was NOT an outsider.. (check out his wife) and 3, The Elites as you call them certainly are Not scared of ordinary Thais.. Don't believe your wife... Next you will be telling us that Millwall will win a Championship... width=20 alt=wai2.gif>

One of the principle problems with the PDRC and their apologists such as yourself is that anyone who opposes your view must be 'a blind fool, or a wind-up merchant'

#1 The Thai economy was doing fine. All that was needed was for the Dept of finance to actually have the power to collect all the taxes due to the state from the rich tax avoiders who make the Greek rich look positively public spirited. The state needs to spend more in order to address the vast disparity of wealth in this country.

#2 As to the Shins - the fact that Khunying Potjaman is now back in Thailand and living freely shows that the Ruling Elite have long since accepted her back into the fold.

#3. Well, all I can say is that I completely disagree with you.

#4 If I had said that Millwall would win the Championship, you would have been perfectly entitled to style me a blind fool, or a wind-up merchant...

[djjamie]

Thailand was doing perfectly well under Yingluck until Suthep started his shenanigans. The economy was flourishing and we had a government that was trying to redistribute wealth to the people through the minimum wage and the rice pledging scheme. They were also enriching themselves through their rake offs from every deal, but that didn't make them any different from any other government.

The problem was that the Shinawatras were outsiders. They are country folk - only elite in a strictly Chiang Mai sense. They didn't understand that they were supposed to divvy up the proceeds of corruption so that those at the apex of the Ruling Elite got their share of the goodies and were treated with the respect they felt they were due.

The Elites are also scared stiff of the ordinary Thais, who they have exploited for the past hundred years or more and want to continue exploiting. Empowering ordinary folk reduces them to driving around Bangkok in their Benzes and BMW's to show everyone how important they are - the wais aren't quite as low as they once were.

So they employed Mr. Suthep to try to dislodge the Shins. He has failed thus far because Prayuth refused to to mount a military coup because he and a very few others realise that with no Thaksin, the hard left will take over Peua Thai - this minority of the Ruling Elite, understand that Thaksin is preferable to Jutaporn or Tilda whose socialism/populism shows Thaksin's up as mere rhetoric. Under military rule the hard left could regroup and plan then come the eventual but inevitable election, they would sweep to power.

No the elites will try to use the judiciary to remove the Shins and ban their political party for a 3rd time. The trouble is that the judiciary has now lost what little credibility it had with Thais and the outside world and a 3rd ban would confirm that they are irretrievably biased.

Time to sue for peace with the Shinawatras? They would concede a lot at this stage and then everyone could go back to the happy chaotic corrupt, but surprisingly successful Thailand inc. that existed prior to last October.

I think the ironic thing is it will not be Suthep that brings her down. It will be her brother. The devisor of the corrupt unsustainable rice scheme which I am sure everyone can finally admit was a complete and utter failure especially 9 farming families of suicide victims.

Your logic dictates that if the DEM's get in and Thailand restores it's rice ranking to number 1 then that would be failure and the DEM's are ruining Thailand's reputation on the world market? PTP logic there. Yet when Thailand went from 1st to 3rd largest rice exporter you call that a success. So what happens if they make it to the bottom of exporting countries. Give yingluck a knighthood?

Edited February 16, 2014 by djjamie

[Old Man River]

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

When did Thai people appoint you their spokesperson? They didn't .

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over

So you speak for Taksin now too?

that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM

Thaksin doesn't get to choose, and you don't get to choose by pretending to speak for him either.

Thammasat University is Seri Wongmontha (above) old University, yet even they say "Thammasat University political scientist Prajak Kongkirati disapproved of an appointed PM..."The only way out is to follow democratic rules"

See how it works, from the Constitution:

Section 3. The sovereign power belongs to the Thai people. The King as Head of State shall exercise such power through the National Assembly, the Council of Ministers and the Courts in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution.

You cannot pretend to speak for the Thai people and simply decide to appoint a PM by any other means, other than the election system prescribed by the Constitution. If you don't have guns to point at everyone's heads, to force an Anand or similar figure into power.

You and whose army, get to appoint a PM? Because you need an army to force a coup like you and Nation Multimedia proposing.

Blue Codger,

I think we both agree to leave this up to the courts, but the criminal court was shot at, and Chalerm has blamed all of the violence on a 3rd party, but so far nobody in this third party has been arrested for the violence on any of the protestors etc. It is quite possible that some people don't want to leave it up to the courts.

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Edited February 16, 2014 by Old Man River

[tezzainoz]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

FALSE ANALOGY:

To compare the Founding Fathers of a country (USA) that was in gestation after freeing themselves from British rule and Suthep and PDRC aspirations of taking over power is an insult to any thinking human being's intelligence.

That assertion may work well for rabid anti-Thaksinistas that will die with their blinders on.

Thailand is an old country of hundreds of years. Thailand has always had a turbulent history. Go back to the times of Suriothai and learn from history.

Fact: vote buying has been going on since elections became a reality in Thai politics. It obeys (vote buying) to their feudalistic nature of patronage and deference to elders and authority.

Fact: Whether we like this current government or not, it was elected by the people..

Fact: What Suthep aspires to do is simply a power grab. So far he has failed to foment the same circumstances that prompted the Coup d'etat of 2006 and now is trying to sway public opinion (mainly in Bangkok) that the best route to good governance is by appointing a PM.

What gives that power to an old politico such as Suthep? In 1995 Suthep’s was the architect of Sor Por Kor 4-01 land scheme scandal that led to the downfall of the Democrat-led Chuan Leekpai government. Furthermore, as a Miniser of Agriculture he resigned under threat of being indicted for the Sor Por Kor 4-01 land scheme.

Research these facts and think twice before you decide to glorify traditionally corrupt politicos.

Academics supporting appointment of PM and/or MPs? No surprise there. They are part of the elite that firmly believes that Bangkok IS Thailand.

so all Thais are idiots by your standards

Sorry to say My Thai wife has a Master degree from Australia not Thailand

and she thinks you are an absolute #$#@!@

Problem my friend is She is Thai

and she over rules you every time

so time to shut up and go back to the bars where you belong

I learnt years ago all farlang opinions are worth nothing

we are only guest her

One day I hope you will learn the same

[bigbamboo]

Thailand was doing perfectly well under Yingluck until Suthep started his shenanigans. The economy was flourishing and we had a government that was trying to redistribute wealth to the people through the minimum wage and the rice pledging scheme. They were also enriching themselves through their rake offs from every deal, but that didn't make them any different from any other government.

The problem was that the Shinawatras were outsiders. They are country folk - only elite in a strictly Chiang Mai sense. They didn't understand that they were supposed to divvy up the proceeds of corruption so that those at the apex of the Ruling Elite got their share of the goodies and were treated with the respect they felt they were due.

The Elites are also scared stiff of the ordinary Thais, who they have exploited for the past hundred years or more and want to continue exploiting. Empowering ordinary folk reduces them to driving around Bangkok in their Benzes and BMW's to show everyone how important they are - the wais aren't quite as low as they once were.

So they employed Mr. Suthep to try to dislodge the Shins. He has failed thus far because Prayuth refused to to mount a military coup because he and a very few others realise that with no Thaksin, the hard left will take over Peua Thai - this minority of the Ruling Elite, understand that Thaksin is preferable to Jutaporn or Tilda whose socialism/populism shows Thaksin's up as mere rhetoric. Under military rule the hard left could regroup and plan then come the eventual but inevitable election, they would sweep to power.

No the elites will try to use the judiciary to remove the Shins and ban their political party for a 3rd time. The trouble is that the judiciary has now lost what little credibility it had with Thais and the outside world and a 3rd ban would confirm that they are irretrievably biased.

Time to sue for peace with the Shinawatras? They would concede a lot at this stage and then everyone could go back to the happy chaotic corrupt, but surprisingly successful Thailand inc. that existed prior to last October.

I think the ironic thing is it will not be Suthep that brings her down. It will be her brother. The devisor of the corrupt unsustainable rice scheme which I am sure everyone can finally admit was a complete and utter failure especially 9 farming families of suicide victims.

Your logic dictates that if the DEM's get in and Thailand restores it's rice ranking to number 1 then that would be failure and the DEM's are ruining Thailand's reputation on the world market? PTP logic there. Yet when Thailand went from 1st to 3rd largest rice exporter you call that a success. So what happens if they make it to the bottom of exporting countries. Give yingluck a knighthood?

Khunying Yingluck....? It's even difficult to say it.

Edited February 16, 2014 by bigbamboo

[Roadman]

Stop the propaganda. There is clearly a democratic system and though you may not like the PT Policies, there is no clear proof of Corruption. If the corruption exists, there is a judicual system to deal with it.

The elections must be compleyed and let the PT vote follow the Charter. This is called Democracy. I cant imagine how anyone can so easily ignore the vote of the people.

No clear proof of corruption exists? How naive can you be when a peoples court fugitive convicted criminal is calling the shots from abroad and the constitution and law is being over ridden, and there is scam after scam. The judicial system will deal to these thieves, but to call what has been governing Thailand for the last 2 and 1/2 years democratic is propaganda and naive.

[retsdon]

The music is about to stop soon, and when it does both sides want to be the one positioned with a hand on the vacant 'chair'. That' whant his whole thing is about, and that's why nobody is prepared to compromise. Everything else is just so much background noise.

[expat888]

There is no such thing as academics in Thailand. That is assuming someone is educated enough to fall within that category and actually has some credibility.

NOT.

More rhetoric and no substance. Anyone that has any experience with this nonsense would run away from this crap and not make any comments to the press.

Edited February 16, 2014 by expat888

[Emptyset]

Stop the propaganda. There is clearly a democratic system and though you may not like the PT Policies, there is no clear proof of Corruption. If the corruption exists, there is a judicual system to deal with it.

The elections must be compleyed and let the PT vote follow the Charter. This is called Democracy. I cant imagine how anyone can so easily ignore the vote of the people.

There has been corruption but people can surely see that the indepedent agencies are dealing with it. I hope we'll get a clear picture of the evidence so we can judge for ourselves if the investigation has been conducted impartially. Wouldn't be surprised if at least one former commerce minister ends up moving to London soon. He must be worried that his assets might be seized.

This would be a good time for the Democrats to agree to an election. The seats on the Central Plain are up for grabs. If there were an election now, I'd think the Democrats could win 190. PT probably 220 or so. Much closer than before and much more difficult for PT to do what it wants (not that they could do what they wanted before I suppose, given the courts, but the checks should be effective opposition in parliament, not the courts). However, if the Council comes in, the Democrats will be held responsible for whatever it does. That's just a fact. And even the optimists must admit, there's a strong chance it'll be a disaster from start to finish. The main problem will be the red opposition. Then they'll have to sort out the rice scheme. People are furious at PT now, but it could quickly change to anger towards the Council if they can't deal with it effectively, or if they decide to remove subsidies altogether. That's even if they get over the hurdle of who to appoint. Even some of the people behind the PDRC don't want to be leader of the Council because it's considered a suicide mission at the moment.

I don't get what the Democrats are doing really. Before they looked undemocratic for refusing to compete, but it arguably made sense from their POV as there's no way they could win. Whereas now if they agreed to a new election in one month, they'd have PT right where they want them surely?

[Emptyset]

This article shows a divide among academics regarding Article 3 and Article 7. Some believe they should take effect, some do not. And yet - there they are. They would not be there if the prospect of a political vacuum was not considered enough of a credible possibility, no matter how remote. But regardless as to what position one prefers to take on them, there they are. And their presence in the constitution means they cannot be ignored. When the constitution was ratified, it was ratified as a whole. And that's the sum total of it. One can of course affect constitutional changes. But that would take a parliament to start the process. Article 3 and Article 7 were written to take in account the possibility of a political vacuum. It has happened. We are in it. The lack of a " fixed date " for the election means that Article 108 is inevitably involved. But the lack of a quorum and the lack of a prime ministerial nomination as a result of that lack of quorum means that Article 7 is involved, and in fact begins to take effect on April 1. Never in Thai political history has a political vacuum created a more explicit set of circumstances for Article 7 that this. There will be a huge argument over this, of course. And as such, it is inevitable that it will wind up at the Constitutional Court for a definitive ruling. As Article 3, Article 7, and Article 108 are in the constitution, Pheu Thai have their work cut out for them. It will be very hard to finesse their meaning into impotence.

So who do you think should propose a PM under Article 7 then? (I know you don't interact with other members, so probably not much point asking, but I'd really like to know).

[tezzainoz]

This article shows a divide among academics regarding Article 3 and Article 7. Some believe they should take effect, some do not. And yet - there they are. They would not be there if the prospect of a political vacuum was not considered enough of a credible possibility, no matter how remote. But regardless as to what position one prefers to take on them, there they are. And their presence in the constitution means they cannot be ignored. When the constitution was ratified, it was ratified as a whole. And that's the sum total of it. One can of course affect constitutional changes. But that would take a parliament to start the process. Article 3 and Article 7 were written to take in account the possibility of a political vacuum. It has happened. We are in it. The lack of a " fixed date " for the election means that Article 108 is inevitably involved. But the lack of a quorum and the lack of a prime ministerial nomination as a result of that lack of quorum means that Article 7 is involved, and in fact begins to take effect on April 1. Never in Thai political history has a political vacuum created a more explicit set of circumstances for Article 7 that this. There will be a huge argument over this, of course. And as such, it is inevitable that it will wind up at the Constitutional Court for a definitive ruling. As Article 3, Article 7, and Article 108 are in the constitution, Pheu Thai have their work cut out for them. It will be very hard to finesse their meaning into impotence.

So who do you think should propose a PM under Article 7 then? (I know you don't interact with other members, so probably not much point asking, but I'd really like to know).

well for a start my Thai wife will not be in favour of Suthep or any of his trouble makers

and definately non of the corrupt PTP head ministers

But she says there are many high ranking public servants who love the country ready to take a position to get this country back on its feet

The very first law to be enacted

Punishment for any member of parliment who has or does ant thing to receive financial gain by his position

But my response to her is this is the very reason PTP will not give up government

If the Thai people got to see the books

oh my dear, the courts would be full for at leat 2 years

[Emptyset]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

Where did you get that thing about Suwat? I didn't realize Thaksin had made that clear. Suwat's name always seems to come up at times like this. The idea probably comes from Suwat, not Thaksin. Anyway, the amaat would have him for lunch. So many skeletons. It's very, very unlikely and Chalerm is possibly even less likely. In fact I don't think Chalerm's ever had any chance of becoming PM, too much opposition from others in PT for one thing, before you even consider the rest of it. The successor to Yingluck will either be Pongthep or Somchai imo. The next PM needs to be an MP though and Suwat, Pongthep and Somchai aren't MPs, the latter two will be if the election is successfully completed. I'm not sure if Suwat even ran. I guess Surapong is the likely choice if Yingluck is disqualified before the election result is ratified (or in the case of its annulment).

[tezzainoz]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

Where did you get that thing about Suwat? I didn't realize Thaksin had made that clear. Suwat's name always seems to come up at times like this. The idea probably comes from Suwat, not Thaksin. Anyway, the amaat would have him for lunch. So many skeletons. It's very, very unlikely and Chalerm is possibly even less likely. In fact I don't think Chalerm's ever had any chance of becoming PM, too much opposition from others in PT for one thing, before you even consider the rest of it. The successor to Yingluck will either be Pongthep or Somchai imo. The next PM needs to be an MP though and Suwat, Pongthep and Somchai aren't MPs, the latter two will be if the election is successfully completed. I'm not sure if Suwat even ran. I guess Surapong is the likely choice if Yingluck is disqualified before the election result is ratified (or in the case of its annulment).

Try reading your largest Thai Newspaper

Maybe if you read more you would now the stupidity in the PTP Camp

Personally I think that both sides are a bunch of feels

I am putting my money on one man who is sitting on the shadows

[Bluespunk]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

FALSE ANALOGY:

To compare the Founding Fathers of a country (USA) that was in gestation after freeing themselves from British rule and Suthep and PDRC aspirations of taking over power is an insult to any thinking human being's intelligence.

That assertion may work well for rabid anti-Thaksinistas that will die with their blinders on.

Thailand is an old country of hundreds of years. Thailand has always had a turbulent history. Go back to the times of Suriothai and learn from history.

Fact: vote buying has been going on since elections became a reality in Thai politics. It obeys (vote buying) to their feudalistic nature of patronage and deference to elders and authority.

Fact: Whether we like this current government or not, it was elected by the people..

Fact: What Suthep aspires to do is simply a power grab. So far he has failed to foment the same circumstances that prompted the Coup d'etat of 2006 and now is trying to sway public opinion (mainly in Bangkok) that the best route to good governance is by appointing a PM.

What gives that power to an old politico such as Suthep? In 1995 Suthep’s was the architect of Sor Por Kor 4-01 land scheme scandal that led to the downfall of the Democrat-led Chuan Leekpai government. Furthermore, as a Miniser of Agriculture he resigned under threat of being indicted for the Sor Por Kor 4-01 land scheme.

Research these facts and think twice before you decide to glorify traditionally corrupt politicos.

Academics supporting appointment of PM and/or MPs? No surprise there. They are part of the elite that firmly believes that Bangkok IS Thailand.

so all Thais are idiots by your standards

Sorry to say My Thai wife has a Master degree from Australia not Thailand

and she thinks you are an absolute #$#@!@

Problem my friend is She is Thai

and she over rules you every time

so time to shut up and go back to the bars where you belong

I learnt years ago all farlang opinions are worth nothing

we are only guest her

One day I hope you will learn the same

I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here, I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it [within the legal boundaries of course!].

I don't agree with the poster you responded to but I am tired of hearing that if you are non Thai your opinion is worthless.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, if you feel it has no worth then break it down through logic and debate, not 'you are not Thai, you don't count' arguments.

[pisico]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

FALSE ANALOGY:

To compare the Founding Fathers of a country (USA) that was in gestation after freeing themselves from British rule and Suthep and PDRC aspirations of taking over power is an insult to any thinking human being's intelligence.

That assertion may work well for rabid anti-Thaksinistas that will die with their blinders on.

Thailand is an old country of hundreds of years. Thailand has always had a turbulent history. Go back to the times of Suriothai and learn from history.

Fact: vote buying has been going on since elections became a reality in Thai politics. It obeys (vote buying) to their feudalistic nature of patronage and deference to elders and authority.

Fact: Whether we like this current government or not, it was elected by the people..

Fact: What Suthep aspires to do is simply a power grab. So far he has failed to foment the same circumstances that prompted the Coup d'etat of 2006 and now is trying to sway public opinion (mainly in Bangkok) that the best route to good governance is by appointing a PM.

What gives that power to an old politico such as Suthep? In 1995 Suthep’s was the architect of Sor Por Kor 4-01 land scheme scandal that led to the downfall of the Democrat-led Chuan Leekpai government. Furthermore, as a Miniser of Agriculture he resigned under threat of being indicted for the Sor Por Kor 4-01 land scheme.

Research these facts and think twice before you decide to glorify traditionally corrupt politicos.

Academics supporting appointment of PM and/or MPs? No surprise there. They are part of the elite that firmly believes that Bangkok IS Thailand.

so all Thais are idiots by your standards

Sorry to say My Thai wife has a Master degree from Australia not Thailand

and she thinks you are an absolute #$#@!@

Problem my friend is She is Thai

and she over rules you every time

so time to shut up and go back to the bars where you belong

I learnt years ago all farlang opinions are worth nothing

we are only guest her

One day I hope you will learn the same

You are guilty of sophistry (look it up) and bad manners.

[tezzainoz]

I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here, I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it [within the legal boundaries of course!].

I don't agree with the poster you responded to but I am tired of hearing that if you are non Thai your opinion is worthless.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, if you feel it has no worth then break it down through logic and debate, not 'you are not Thai, you don't count' arguments.

So you can finnaly understand

1)

""I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here,""

Mean nothing, so stop getting your hope up

Under Thai law you are here on sufference only same as me

Just that I have learn to accept it

2) I agree same as me you have the right to an opinion even if it means S...t to a thai

so your are preaching a lost cause before you even open your mouth

3) Like you my opinion on any subject refering to Thai law is worthless so I have learn to bend with the wing like a willow tree

4) I do not use the "F" word so at least we both agree on that

5) If you want me to lie and tell every one how important you are there are plenty of poster her who will flatter your ego

but in the end any you are just a farlang

and your place in the thai culture is not even as high up as there cats and dogs

So keep up with you opinions, but to those who have lived here for a while know it means nothing, and all you can best do is upset Thais who think your a smart arse

Don't get so upset

there of many of us who live the same life

Just we have had to adjust to this fact

[Bluespunk]

I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here, I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it [within the legal boundaries of course!].

I don't agree with the poster you responded to but I am tired of hearing that if you are non Thai your opinion is worthless.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, if you feel it has no worth then break it down through logic and debate, not 'you are not Thai, you don't count' arguments.

So you can finnaly understand

1)

""I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here,""

Mean nothing, so stop getting your hope up

Under Thai law you are here on sufference only same as me

Just that I have learn to accept it

2) I agree same as me you have the right to an opinion even if it means S...t to a thai

so your are preaching a lost cause before you even open your mouth

3) Like you my opinion on any subject refering to Thai law is worthless so I have learn to bend with the wing like a willow tree

4) I do not use the "F" word so at least we both agree on that

5) If you want me to lie and tell every one how important you are there are plenty of poster her who will flatter your ego

but in the end any you are just a farlang

and your place in the thai culture is not even as high up as there cats and dogs

So keep up with you opinions, but to those who have lived here for a while know it means nothing, and all you can best do is upset Thais who think your a smart arse

Don't get so upset

there of many of us who live the same life

Just we have had to adjust to this fact

Mostly agree with you, but don't expect that way of thinking on a forum like this.

[Emptyset]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

Where did you get that thing about Suwat? I didn't realize Thaksin had made that clear. Suwat's name always seems to come up at times like this. The idea probably comes from Suwat, not Thaksin. Anyway, the amaat would have him for lunch. So many skeletons. It's very, very unlikely and Chalerm is possibly even less likely. In fact I don't think Chalerm's ever had any chance of becoming PM, too much opposition from others in PT for one thing, before you even consider the rest of it. The successor to Yingluck will either be Pongthep or Somchai imo. The next PM needs to be an MP though and Suwat, Pongthep and Somchai aren't MPs, the latter two will be if the election is successfully completed. I'm not sure if Suwat even ran. I guess Surapong is the likely choice if Yingluck is disqualified before the election result is ratified (or in the case of its annulment).

Try reading your largest Thai Newspaper

Maybe if you read more you would now the stupidity in the PTP Camp

Personally I think that both sides are a bunch of feels

I am putting my money on one man who is sitting on the shadows

Yes, I found out after I replied that the rumour comes from Suriyasai. Not sure I'd take that too seriously. No more seriously than I'd take one of Chalerm's rumours without further evidence, anyway. You never know, maybe Suriyasai wants Suwat to become PM. Also I'm already aware of the stupidity in the PTP camp.

[bkkdave1220]

These academics display a rather unacademic grasp of the situation. As long as there is an election under the present circumstances you will end up with PM that is far from bi-partisan, it will be a PM on a tight lease from Dubai. Simple as that. Puea Thai could side-step Suthep by replacing Yingluck with one of their own who is extremely neutral, but then that would counter the aims of Thaksin, and would still be 'appointed'. Even Yingluck's candidacy within the Puea Thai was 'appointed' by the big boss.

So, cite all the democratically elected dogma you want, as long as the result is someone still controlled by an unelected fugitive, we have a deadlock. What's wrong, anyway, with a royally appointed PM that is acceptable to both sides, under whom a fair and holistic reform process can proceed? Almost everyone trusts the king. It would only be for a year, a stop gap towards true democracy, as we have seen in many countries that have emerged from conflict.

don't say thaksin is not elected. he was elected many times, and only coup plots helped the dems to power.

Thaksin never lost an election and never didn't get elected.

If clever people not sure what to do they can vote on it. is only small people they want to steal vote from

Edited February 16, 2014 by bkkdave1220

[Fryslan boppe]

"....The new PM does not have to come from the party with the most MP seats..."

Yes it does...

Obviously an Anti-democrat posing as "Independent Academics"

This ongoing attempt to cast Academics as some sort of independent 'wisdomry' is seen for what it is....The anti-UDD/RS/PTP media often try it....It is well known that with a few exceptions, so-called academics are PAD-Dem sympathisers....There are many reasons for this, but outside the scope of this thread.

This so-called 'neutrality' thing is also prevalent among political junkies pontificating on discussion boards...they will often proclaim 'nuetrality' foillowed by a dump on the UDD/RS's.....Another version of it is to claim stand-offish disinterest while quoting a Thai wife dumping on the UDD/RS's...All of it designed to try and add validity to commentary.

Edited February 16, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Bluespunk]

I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here, I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it [within the legal boundaries of course!].

I don't agree with the poster you responded to but I am tired of hearing that if you are non Thai your opinion is worthless.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, if you feel it has no worth then break it down through logic and debate, not 'you are not Thai, you don't count' arguments.

So you can finnaly understand

1)

""I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here,""

Mean nothing, so stop getting your hope up

Under Thai law you are here on sufference only same as me

Just that I have learn to accept it

2) I agree same as me you have the right to an opinion even if it means S...t to a thai

so your are preaching a lost cause before you even open your mouth

3) Like you my opinion on any subject refering to Thai law is worthless so I have learn to bend with the wing like a willow tree

4) I do not use the "F" word so at least we both agree on that

5) If you want me to lie and tell every one how important you are there are plenty of poster her who will flatter your ego

but in the end any you are just a farlang

and your place in the thai culture is not even as high up as there cats and dogs

So keep up with you opinions, but to those who have lived here for a while know it means nothing, and all you can best do is upset Thais who think your a smart arse

Don't get so upset

there of many of us who live the same life

Just we have had to adjust to this fact

Mostly agree with you, but don't expect that way of thinking on a forum like this.

Actually let me rephrase that. I don't agree, 'I acknowledge there are those who think that way,' would be a better way of saying what i meant.

[Crushdepth]

Academics divided? I'm shocked.

[diehard60]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

So what is your point?

[Crushdepth]

These academics display a rather unacademic grasp of the situation. As long as there is an election under the present circumstances you will end up with PM that is far from bi-partisan, it will be a PM on a tight lease from Dubai. Simple as that. Puea Thai could side-step Suthep by replacing Yingluck with one of their own who is extremely neutral, but then that would counter the aims of Thaksin, and would still be 'appointed'. Even Yingluck's candidacy within the Puea Thai was 'appointed' by the big boss.

So, cite all the democratically elected dogma you want, as long as the result is someone still controlled by an unelected fugitive, we have a deadlock. What's wrong, anyway, with a royally appointed PM that is acceptable to both sides, under whom a fair and holistic reform process can proceed? Almost everyone trusts the king. It would only be for a year, a stop gap towards true democracy, as we have seen in many countries that have emerged from conflict.

don't say thaksin is not elected. he was elected many times, and only coup plots helped the dems to power.

Thaksin never lost an election and never didn't get elected.

If clever people not sure what to do they can vote on it. is only small people they want to steal vote from

He lost a few court cases though. He'll probably lose a few more if he ever 'officially' comes back.

[tezzainoz]

I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here, I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it [within the legal boundaries of course!].

I don't agree with the poster you responded to but I am tired of hearing that if you are non Thai your opinion is worthless.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, if you feel it has no worth then break it down through logic and debate, not 'you are not Thai, you don't count' arguments.

So you can finnaly understand

1)

""I live here. I pay taxes [direct and income], I work here,""

Mean nothing, so stop getting your hope up

Under Thai law you are here on sufference only same as me

Just that I have learn to accept it

2) I agree same as me you have the right to an opinion even if it means S...t to a thai

so your are preaching a lost cause before you even open your mouth

3) Like you my opinion on any subject refering to Thai law is worthless so I have learn to bend with the wing like a willow tree

4) I do not use the "F" word so at least we both agree on that

5) If you want me to lie and tell every one how important you are there are plenty of poster her who will flatter your ego

but in the end any you are just a farlang

and your place in the thai culture is not even as high up as there cats and dogs

So keep up with you opinions, but to those who have lived here for a while know it means nothing, and all you can best do is upset Thais who think your a smart arse

Don't get so upset

there of many of us who live the same life

Just we have had to adjust to this fact

Mostly agree with you, but don't expect that way of thinking on a forum like this.

Agreed the ability for some to think on a this forum, is the same as believing every young Thai girls really does think you are

handsome man

But reality is knowing what she wants and know what you will get in return

in even then there in no gurantee

I know my place here and as long as I bend with the wind I will have a happy life

[Fryslan boppe]

"Academics divided over appointed PM for next govt"

Is this the 'next thing' by the coup-mongers and their friends?

They started off with anti-amnesty---then---anti Thakson so-called regime---then--anti election---then---reform before election---then---nullify election----so now, will their self-serving mantra try to deny the electoral majority of their PM selection?.....Good luck with that.....Ms. Y. has done an admirable job and has huge support......The Opposition will be "p...... into the wind" with this notion.

[atlbravosfan]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

In that case, Thailand was never a democracy - it has always been a government to serve the interests of the people at the top of the pyramid.

Also, let's not compare the Founding Fathers to anyone who might be appointed as PM in Thailand today - those men were born of the Age of Enlightenment and are considered to be some of the greatest political and philosophical minds in history.

Quick - name the greatest philosopher in Thailand's history! How about the greatest engineer? Greatest scientist? Mathematician? Architect? Author? Politician? .......

[HOOD Robin]

Stop the propaganda. There is clearly a democratic system and though you may not like the PT Policies, there is no clear proof of Corruption. If the corruption exists, there is a judicual system to deal with it.

The elections must be compleyed and let the PT vote follow the Charter. This is called Democracy. I cant imagine how anyone can so easily ignore the vote of the people.

Has your winter sleep just finished ? Or are you on drugs ?

[Blackmirage2013]

Please, NO MORE ACADEMICS! This is not a college debate! Your ideas are welcome, but there is a reason why academia is referred to as "The Ivory Tower."

Academics live in a bubble.... a bubble in the clouds... we like your thinking but when it comes to acting and doing.... leave that to the big boys, okay? lols

[tezzainoz]

These Thai are proposing to "appoint" a new PM rather than have an election.

Its a shame that many Thailand Visa members have forgotten the greatest start of Democracy in modern Times

It is a sad day when Thais understand True Democracy better than Farlang

Thailand is no longer a democracy but a group of corrupt men looking after them selves and not the country

How many times must I read farlang going on about forming an unelected group to run the country, and turning away from the American Revolution when the founding fathers were also unelected yet they managed to establish one of the greatest governing democracies in modern history

Taskin himself now understands Yinglucks days are over, she will bear the blunt of his greedy wants and will pay the price, in Taskin's democracy family members must be sacrificed for his self game

That has caused even more problems as he has already made it clear that he wants Suwat Liptapanlop to be the next PM as his sister goes down in flames, and Charlerm Yubamrung is not happy as he wants the job. so has gone Power mad with the police to prove to Taskin he deserves the position

With a drunk in charge, well I guess we can do no worse

In that case, Thailand was never a democracy - it has always been a government to serve the interests of the people at the top of the pyramid.

Also, let's not compare the Founding Fathers to anyone who might be appointed as PM in Thailand today - those men were born of the Age of Enlightenment and are considered to be some of the greatest political and philosophical minds in history.

Quick - name the greatest philosopher in Thailand's history! How about the greatest engineer? Greatest scientist? Mathematician? Architect? Author? Politician? .......

Ugh Ugh Ugh

Taskin