Redshirt threats get political tension boiling

[saltandpepper]

Who cares about threats? It's the ATTACKS that are the problem.

BTW Jatuporn and Nattiwhut should declare their conflict of interest. Both face lengthy jail sentences should this government be defeated and its delaying tactics and amnesties be nullified.

Abhisit and Suthep also face prison sentences if they are convicted of the murder charges.

Looks like both sides are trying to be in control of the judges.

Maybe the amnesty bill for both sides wasn't such a bad thing after all.

Better than pushing Thailand toward a civil war, for sure.

Both of them have rejected amnesty unlike your coward hero

Edited February 24, 2014 by saltandpepper

[tomyummer]

"The government must not be defeated. This is an order from the people,..."

From the people? Or one person?

Edited February 24, 2014 by tomyummer

[lovetotravel]

It appears you didn't understand my post.

Suthep and his followers rejected the amnesty bill and instead chose an undemocratic way to oust the government, blocking the city, ruining the economy, financially targeting companies that have nothing to do with Thaksin (AIS, Air Asia, Nestle, Maggi, Oishi, etc), creating more social division and effectively clearing the path to a civil war.

The amnesty bill would have wiped clean the actions of Thaksin, Suthep, Abhisit and others, which would have been a step back from the abyss, rather than a step ahead.

It's just my opinion. I know some people here have a hard time accepting that other people may have different opinions, so you are forgiven.

The amnesty bill is exactly what sparked these current protests.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-11/thai-senate-rejects-amnesty-bill-that-sparked-bangkok-protests.html

Thousands of people joined daily rallies throughout the Thai capital over the past week, arguing that the amnesty law would fail to heal social divisions if it also exonerated politicians including Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra’s brother, former premier Thaksin Shinawatra who was ousted by the military in 2006, and soldiers and political leaders who oversaw a deadly crackdown on demonstrators in 2010.

“This amnesty bill is still not dead, even though the Senate is voting to block the bill,” Suthep Thaugsuban, a former deputy prime minister with the opposition Democrat party, told supporters in Bangkok late yesterday. “The lower house can still bring back the law for approval again.”

And since it was never fully killed, they are still protesting.

[Chao Lao Beach]

This is the same stage where a red shirt leader repeatedly said that he was happy that children died in Trat. I wish I could watch parents of the murdered child pull the trigger at this jerk.

Why is this not reported Thai Visa ?

[aussieinthailand]

and exercising civil disobedience against "unjust" rulings and decisions by independent agencies.

This includes the NACC, courts and any others who dare challenge them.

Unfortunately their version of unjust would be anything that goes against PT or themselves regardless of how many laws they, Yingluck or any other PT members have broken.

Robby nz, Firstly I like to make very clear that YES there has been violence used against the protesters, pro-government, and police, and I fully condemn those guilty of throwing bombs and indiscriminately shooting into crowds they should be jailed for life...

Unfortunately there has been violence used against people that don't agree with the protesters, ie, threatened, abused, beaten, for trying to vote, ie video of older lady pulled too the ground, so much for respecting your elders,,,,, FACT .

Threatened, abused, beaten, if you don't get out of any office, business, or building that the "peaceful protesters" wanted to take over, FACT.

Suthep refusing to face any rule of law from 1995 to this day saying to the courts I'm just to busy to face any court proceedings, FACT.

The courts have decided the protesters are peaceful and no weapons are being used, FACT

You tell me, do you see and photo's video's of violence and weapons, used by protesters, AND yes others, YES FACT.

Has Suthep threatened Yingluk,, ministers and their families, yes FACT.

Do you see the bias in applying the laws in LOS? we on TV talk about in often, yes FACT

So why is it difficult to see the bias of application of rulings in this case?

[stickylies]

has the THB crashed yet? please wake me up when it does!

[casualbiker]

How many were supposed to be there! 4,000? Packed all day! Really!

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[Hawkman]

Who cares about threats? It's the ATTACKS that are the problem.

BTW Jatuporn and Nattiwhut should declare their conflict of interest. Both face lengthy jail sentences should this government be defeated and its delaying tactics and amnesties be nullified.

Abhisit and Suthep also face prison sentences if they are convicted of the murder charges.

Looks like both sides are trying to be in control of the judges.

Maybe the amnesty bill for both sides wasn't such a bad thing after all.

Better than pushing Thailand toward a civil war, for sure.

Where have you been for the last 6 months? It is because of the amnesty bill that Thailand is being pushed toward a civil war.

No, that might have been the "cause" at the beginning but it has been hijacked since then and that is the reason that Thailand finds itself in this situation.

For once Fab4, I slightly agree with you; there certainly is another agenda at play here since the original cause. However, it's the mistrust of the Government that they will sneak the bill in again, which is also the reason this crisis is still going on, along with the Rice Scam. I mean, why do they need an amnesty bill that whitewashes people SINCE 2010? Has the Government got something to hide, I wonder?

As someone on the Red shirt side, what do you think of the Pro-Government supporters that cheered the death of a 5 year old girl? And people call the Anti-Government lot, thugs.

[wernerkl]

I thought a coup would not happen this time but if there are more terrorist attacks I think there will be no other solution to the ongoing problems to protect the lives of all the people.

So in whose interest is it really that the army steps in ?

[maddermax]

Seems to me that this is the first sense that the PDRC has made of anything. To bring an elected government down is illegal. To boycott a company's goods and services is acceptable business practice.

[MaxLee]

Like I've mentioned before in another thread, the rest of the redshirt brigade and supporters who are NOT affiliated with the RICE SCAM, are gonna do a counter attack at battle field Bangkok...

... unfortunately as long as there are STILL quite plenty of those NON-rice-SCAM Redshirt members, Thaksin-DEMO-ocracy will NEVER die. Why would the rest of the reddies care about just a few million rice farmers' loss, which technically isn't THEIR business anyway.

Get ready for battle field Bangkok...

[bluie3]

I thought a coup would not happen this time but if there are more terrorist attacks I think there will be no other solution to the ongoing problems to protect the lives of all the people.

I thought this too but I have heard the village gossip that a 3rd party will launch an attack so that the END GAME can happen - the army will come out. Lives will be lost but the gossip says that they must not hurt S T. It is a sad future and I hope civil war doesn't break out - North/North-East etc and others against Central/Southern. I have loved my years in Thailand and been here for all the coups from 1991

[Emster23]

And of course the peace loving Suthep and friends never ever ever ever made any threats that stirred things up, right?

[Hawkman]

And of course the peace loving Suthep and friends never ever ever ever made any threats that stirred things up, right?

Well, they certainly haven't cheered about the death of 5 year old girls.

[icommunity]

A violence confrontation seem to be a high possibility. With the number of the dem's pdrc/pcad dwindling and the number of RS/UDD people increasing and their feelings of bitterness and haplessness mutiplied, the only means the dem's pdrc/pcad has is the deployment of its rapid response popcorn spraying brigade.

The violence incident yesterday at Raj'prason together with verbal threat of suthep warning RS/UDD not to come - don't come, or it is what you will get. However, the RS/UDD responded - we will sure come.

Will the courts allowed the caretaker government to crack down protests that had turned violence?

Edited February 24, 2014 by icommunity

[janpharma]

" The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort plus his crony police officers helping him to carry out underground operations focusing on instigating unlimited violence..."

Isn't this reason enough judge them and to ban them? Stop the violence and the corrupt actors...

[Lupatria]

and exercising civil disobedience against "unjust" rulings and decisions by independent agencies.

This includes the NACC, courts and any others who dare challenge them.

Unfortunately their version of unjust would be anything that goes against PT or themselves regardless of how many laws they, Yingluck or any other PT members have broken.

After all, good to know Thailand has choices- between "red shirt democracy" and "PDRC democracy"

Do the sheep know there are two gates to the slaughterhouse but no exit?

[AleG]

A violence confrontation seem to be a high possibility. With the number of the dem's pdrc/pcad dwindling and the number of RS/UDD people increasing and their feelings of bitterness and haplessness mutiplied, the only means the dem's pdrc/pcad has is the deployment of its rapid response popcorn spraying brigade.

The violence incident yesterday at Raj'prason was a warning to RS/UDD - don't come, or it is what you will get. However, the RS/UDD responded - we will sure come.

Will the courts allowed the caretaker government to crack down protests that had turned violence?

Are you saying the attack was AGAINST the Red Shirts?

That is the most disgusting spin I've seen in a long while.

[maccaroni man]

After all the property damage in Bkk from the lady red shirt trip to Bkk IMO it is not a sure thing that they will be able to roam the streets so freely this time and the common shop keeper or middle class group may step up and bear arms to push them away

[icommunity]

------PDRC spokesman Akanat Prompan said rapid-response teams would be sent to government offices to urge bureaucrats to stop working for the "Thaksin regime".------

In the same manner the RS/UDD will response with their rapid-response teams to courts and independence agencies to urge judges and officials to stop working for the anti-democracy, anti rule-of-law movements.

[Fryslan boppe]

"The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort..."

This quote another attempt to denigrate Electoral Democracy forces by suggesting they are devoid of political intent and are uni-dimensional... It is a form of Elitist arrogance implying they have the market cornered on Political awareness. Their coup-mongering friends with their shadowy supporters are self-servingly doing everything in their power to prevent majority-based governance in an Electoral Democracy, and has nothing to do with Thaksin or the performance of this Govt.

If there was a reference to Thaksin at this gathering in Korat yesterday, I missed it..I'm sure there was, but it was merely in passing....All I saw was a format whereby many regionally-based groups of the UDD/RS's, spoke in order throughout the day, exclaiming vociforously their refusal to buckle-under again, to anti-Democtats seeking to steal their voting selections.

This was not a case of UDD incitement...These were grass-roots voters demanding their votes be respected...It didn't take incitement by the UDD or PTP... These people spoke from the heart, many with fire in their eyes..It didn't take the UDD, or PTP to fire these people up....Suthep and his shadowy supporters with their street antics in BKK, plus their user-friendly courts and Independent agencies have done a very good job of that, all by themselves....In fact by the time Jatuporn and Nathawut spoke, it was later in the day, when many participants had already left.

It was noteworthy that unlike many of these gatherings when participants begin to drift home after Lunch. Yesterday the double-tiered levels of this Gymnasium remained packed throughout the day, listening to regional-based leaders of their own kind...No Centralized leadership needed. The PTP/UDD/RS resistance to Elitist anti-democrats is bottom-up, let no-one be confused about that.

The suggestion that the " PDRC co-leaders declared to end the game by launching an "onslaught" against the caretaker government and Shinawatra business empire" is folderol. Their onslaught is a crass challenge by an unelectable political minority against the majority in an Electoral Democracy. They are self-servingly challenging voter-majority selections, pretending it is against a caretaker Govt. A Govt. they are trying to characterize as having no electoral roots...It is those millions of roots they are up against, and those "majority" roots don't appreciate it, nor will accept it.

That was on prominent display in Korat yesterday.

The amnesty bill that really got this latest conflict started

Did this meeting consider what kind of reforms would be beneficial to Thai society?

Surely all these grass-roots representatives are well aware that the actual participation in this incomplete election was woefully low. Was this discussed and seen as a problem?

Did they find it relevant to discuss that or how to possibly improve it in the future?

These aren't just trick questions. I am genuinely curious to learn that the UDD truly is a democratic organisation that defines it's policies based on the wishes and concerns of it's grass-roots members.

>"The amnesty bill that really got this latest conflict started"

This position is erroneous from the get-go.....This amnesty thing was merely a fabricated issue which could easily have been 'Parliamentarized". What started this latest attempt to overthrow an elected government by unelectables - not conforntation as is suggested - is merely a reprise of 2006, by many of the same players....When the amnesty thing didn't work, they went to anti-Thaksinism, then to preventing an election, and so on...With the common denominator being Coup-intentionism by an electoral minority.

>"Did this meeting consider what kind of reforms would be beneficial to Thai society?"

Not the intent of the meeting. Such a question can be "Parliamentarized". The intent of this meeting was not to engage in Parliamentary debate, but provide another shot-across-the-bow to the Elites and their coup intentions, that there will be "hell to pay" if they seek to achieve their objectives on the street, in user-friendly Judicial chambers or their so-called Independent Agencies....... Self-described independence which doesn't fool anyone.

>"Surely all these grass-roots representatives are well aware that the actual participation in this incomplete election was woefully low. Was this discussed and seen as a problem?

Coup-intentioned people maligning an incomplete election as if 'failure' is a fact, sure are afraid to finish it and tabulate it. Explaining that fact explains a lot.

>"These aren't just trick questions. I am genuinely curious to learn that the UDD truly is a democratic organisation that defines it's policies based on the wishes and concerns of it's grass-roots members"

I accept them as such, and responded accordingly. Yesterday was definitely an assurance, not that one was needed, that "...the UDD truly is a democratic organisation that defines it's policies based on the wishes and concerns of it's grass-roots members" "....At this point that is not an issue. Defending Electoral Democracy and respecting the votes of the electoral majority is the issue and the UDD/RS are in the forefront of that debate.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[uty6543]

I thought a coup would not happen this time but if there are more terrorist attacks I think there will be no other solution to the ongoing problems to protect the lives of all the people.

So in whose interest is it really that the army steps in ?

IMO If the situation deteriorates further and the army do come in it would be in the peoples interest. To restore order and save lives.

[LevelHead]

It appears you didn't understand my post.

Suthep and his followers rejected the amnesty bill and instead chose an undemocratic way to oust the government, blocking the city, ruining the economy, financially targeting companies that have nothing to do with Thaksin (AIS, Air Asia, Nestle, Maggi, Oishi, etc), creating more social division and effectively clearing the path to a civil war.

The amnesty bill would have wiped clean the actions of Thaksin, Suthep, Abhisit and others, which would have been a step back from the abyss, rather than a step ahead.

It's just my opinion. I know some people here have a hard time accepting that other people may have different opinions, so you are forgiven.

I understood your post perfectly, and it's clear you have no idea what's going on in Thailand.

The protesters don't support amnesty for any of those people. Even a lot of red shirts don't support amnesty for those people. People don't support the actions being wiped clean.

It is BECAUSE of the amnesty bill that Thailand is being pushed to the abyss.

The abyss was created in 2006 when there was a coup against the government.

The coup leaders committed treason against the 1997 constitution and promptly gave themselves amnesty. They then proceeded to rewrite the constitution which led to the new 2007 version. They also did what all coup leaders do, launched a viscious campaign of propaganda and slur and allegations backed up with flimsy verbal evidence against the PM they kicked out with their coup, found him guilty and made him go into exile.

That is pretty basic coup procedure.

The effects of 2006 and 2007 are the problem still being seen on the streets today in 2014, as has been the case in 2008 and 2010 and 2013. It was the starting point to all the problems.

The proposed amnesty bill is dead, what is going on now on the streets has nothing to do with it. The "elite" saw the amnesty bill as a good starting point to hit the PTP party as they saw red shirts also did not want it, they saw this unique unifying point as a way to commence the killing of the PTP goverment and party. This is why even when it has been clearly said the bill is dead, the protests continued and the PDRC changed the goalposts, no longer amnesty it was appointed government, then when people did not like this undemocratic thing it changed to being the regime of Thaksin.

The PDRC is just a front to attack PTP in the courts, the PDRC will continue to decalre victory tomorrow, continue to change thier goals and targets as it must remain on the streets whilst other forces work hard to trip PTP up so they fall foul of the courts decisions.

Redshirts know this. Everyone with a brain who knows Thai politics knows this, whether they admit it or not.

Why are redshirts getting more vocal now and tension rising ?

This is because the possible end game is near.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

This is of course my opinion, but that is why in that opinion the redshirts are now getting vocal. They know what the plan is of the PDRC backers and so it is time for them to ramp up the tension and let the PDRC backers know that if they try to pull this off there will be major problems.

[diehard60]

Who cares about threats? It's the ATTACKS that are the problem.

BTW Jatuporn and Nattiwhut should declare their conflict of interest. Both face lengthy jail sentences should this government be defeated and its delaying tactics and amnesties be nullified.

What about suthep and that NON-monk? What about them they should also be arrested and put in jail right along with the others. An d dont tell me the monk is a holly man because he is now part of the problem and an instigator.

[Bluespunk]

Who cares about threats? It's the ATTACKS that are the problem.

BTW Jatuporn and Nattiwhut should declare their conflict of interest. Both face lengthy jail sentences should this government be defeated and its delaying tactics and amnesties be nullified.

Abhisit and Suthep also face prison sentences if they are convicted of the murder charges.

Looks like both sides are trying to be in control of the judges.

Maybe the amnesty bill for both sides wasn't such a bad thing after all.

Better than pushing Thailand toward a civil war, for sure.

The blanket amnesty, was, is and always will be an appalling idea. Let the courts judge the guilty, and not let the guilty absolve themselves.

[andygunther]

till now the red shirt have been quite discreet. If they step in, it be interesting to see how thing will deteriorate quickly...

and i guess very quickly

The RED, have they been discrete !! ??

After all shootings and bombs that have killed and wounded many.

[KOZMO]

Jatuporn..........some roads in Bangkok will turn RED.................we will ensure No clashes or Violence ??

YAH, come on down and meet the tanks with your pickup trucks and farmers and meet your destiny!!!!

[casualbiker]

"The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort..."

This quote another attempt to denigrate Electoral Democracy forces by suggesting they are devoid of political intent and are uni-dimensional... It is a form of Elitist arrogance implying they have the market cornered on Political awareness. Their coup-mongering friends with their shadowy supporters are self-servingly doing everything in their power to prevent majority-based governance in an Electoral Democracy, and has nothing to do with Thaksin or the performance of this Govt.

If there was a reference to Thaksin at this gathering in Korat yesterday, I missed it..I'm sure there was, but it was merely in passing....All I saw was a format whereby many regionally-based groups of the UDD/RS's, spoke in order throughout the day, exclaiming vociforously their refusal to buckle-under again, to anti-Democtats seeking to steal their voting selections.

This was not a case of UDD incitement...These were grass-roots voters demanding their votes be respected...It didn't take incitement by the UDD or PTP... These people spoke from the heart, many with fire in their eyes..It didn't take the UDD, or PTP to fire these people up....Suthep and his shadowy supporters with their street antics in BKK, plus their user-friendly courts and Independent agencies have done a very good job of that, all by themselves....In fact by the time Jatuporn and Nathawut spoke, it was later in the day, when many participants had already left.

It was noteworthy that unlike many of these gatherings when participants begin to drift home after Lunch. Yesterday the double-tiered levels of this Gymnasium remained packed throughout the day, listening to regional-based leaders of their own kind...No Centralized leadership needed. The PTP/UDD/RS resistance to Elitist anti-democrats is bottom-up, let no-one be confused about that.

The suggestion that the " PDRC co-leaders declared to end the game by launching an "onslaught" against the caretaker government and Shinawatra business empire" is folderol. Their onslaught is a crass challenge by an unelectable political minority against the majority in an Electoral Democracy. They are self-servingly challenging voter-majority selections, pretending it is against a caretaker Govt. A Govt. they are trying to characterize as having no electoral roots...It is those millions of roots they are up against, and those "majority" roots don't appreciate it, nor will accept it.

That was on prominent display in Korat yesterday.

The amnesty bill that really got this latest conflict started

Did this meeting consider what kind of reforms would be beneficial to Thai society?

Surely all these grass-roots representatives are well aware that the actual participation in this incomplete election was woefully low. Was this discussed and seen as a problem?

Did they find it relevant to discuss that or how to possibly improve it in the future?

These aren't just trick questions. I am genuinely curious to learn that the UDD truly is a democratic organisation that defines it's policies based on the wishes and concerns of it's grass-roots members.

>"The amnesty bill that really got this latest conflict started"

This position is erroneous from the get-go.....This amnesty thing was merely a fabricated issue which could easily have been 'Parliamentarized". What started this latest attempt to overthrow an elected government by unelectables - not conforntation as is suggested - is merely a reprise of 2006, by many of the same players....When the amnesty thing didn't work, they went to anti-Thaksinism, then to preventing an election, and so on...With the common denominator being Coup-intentionism by an electoral minority.

>"Did this meeting consider what kind of reforms would be beneficial to Thai society?"

Not the intent of the meeting. Such a question can be "Parliamentarized". The intent of this meeting was not to engage in Parliamentary debate, but provide another shot-across-the-bow to the Elites and their coup intentions, that there will be "hell to pay" if they seek to achieve their objectives on the street, in user-friendly Judicial chambers or their so-called Independent Agencies....... Self-described independence which doesn't fool anyone.

>"Surely all these grass-roots representatives are well aware that the actual participation in this incomplete election was woefully low. Was this discussed and seen as a problem?

Coup-intentioned people maligning an incomplete election as if 'failure' is a fact, sure are afraid to finish it and tabulate it. Explaining that fact explains a lot.

>"These aren't just trick questions. I am genuinely curious to learn that the UDD truly is a democratic organisation that defines it's policies based on the wishes and concerns of it's grass-roots members"

I accept them as such, and responded accordingly. Yesterday was definitely an assurance, not that one was needed, that "...the UDD truly is a democratic organisation that defines it's policies based on the wishes and concerns of it's grass-roots members" "....At this point that is not an issue. Defending Electoral Democracy and respecting the votes of the electoral majority is the issue and the UDD/RS are in the forefront of that debate.

If the UDD/ RS are Democratic and for the people IS that ALL the people. Including Southerners?

Why don't the UDD step away from Thaksin and his wrongs (alleged or otherwise) and form a proper political party and engage in this Democracy on their own without the Shinawatra bias?

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[icommunity]

----------Suriyasai Katasila, coordinator of the Green Politics group, said the country's political saga had entered its final chapter with violence expected to boil over. The Thaksin regime had been shaken to its core. The PM was cornered and felt her life was in danger because the military had distanced itself and the police had buckled to public scrutiny. "The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort plus his crony police officers helping him to carry out underground operations focusing on instigating unlimited violence,'' he said----------

The RS/UDD have not been shaken and they are not in a last resort situation. It is the other way round with their many 'finals' and 'ends' games. This Thaksinphobic will make to realize that the RS/UDD have been showing utmost restraint, patient and tolerance. They remained in low profile was because they were hoping that they can continue to have faith and trust in the military and the 'old elite' power to work for reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The situation now is like what Jatuporn Promphan said "No one allows himself to be harassed without striking back. If we do not stand up and fight, it means we give our motherland to Suthep,''

Another worrying situation, was that RS/UDD is prepared to set up an administration "in exile" in the North or Northeast.

With Thailand's politics now playing the business and consumer cards, business communities are forced to reevaluate their HQ operations in BKK. It looks like some will move to the North while some to the South and leaving BKK empty.

AEC can wait, since most countries are not fully ready anyway. The high-speed train can begin from the North to connect Europe and China. Flood and water management focus on the Northern region. Foreign investors will have to review where should they put their money.

Faith and trust in negotiation are now nonexistence, with the RS/UDD do not want to be bullied, harassed and cornered and the dem's pdrc/pcad, the military and 'old elite' insist on a non-elected government. It seems a violence confrontation is inevitable.

No body in Thailand want to see such situation, but if it has to, may the will of Dharma be done.

[ginjag]

Who cares about threats? It's the ATTACKS that are the problem.

BTW Jatuporn and Nattiwhut should declare their conflict of interest. Both face lengthy jail sentences should this government be defeated and its delaying tactics and amnesties be nullified.

What about suthep and that NON-monk? What about them they should also be arrested and put in jail right along with the others. An d dont tell me the monk is a holly man because he is now part of the problem and an instigator.

Sorry for you again--the instigators are the ones in power. Had they governed HONESTLY no one would be out on the streets, most would be happy in their work and everyday lives.

Put your energy to put an end to corruption. The source of the problem is government, voted in or not that's not the Question it is how it's run. At this time there was no way to stop this amnesty bill other than disruption.