Anti “secession” banner emerges in Phitsanulok

[hansnl]

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

And moreover do not forget all the unwanted persons that will be sent back.

Meaning around 40% of all income will disappear.

I think the Burmese will gladly step in, they are also cheaper.

And if the Isan would go with the North?

Don't think so, the Isan people are definitely learning fast.

[Timwin]

<deleted> is this BS with landlocking?! Austria and Switzerland are also landlocked, no problems there. Most of the Germany is "landlocked" too. It means nothing today. This new state btw would be upriver and that is always a good position for a country. If Bangkok tried some embargo BS, they could for example simply flood most of Bangkok with water.

[coma]

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

Why would it be landlocked ? Lots of access to the sea from Chonburi all the way to the Cambodian border.

You may need to get somebody to give you a quick 5 minute geography lesson. i.e where Isaan is opposed to "Chonburi" and to the sea. Which in that part of Thailand would be Rayong, Chantaburi and Trat. None of which form Isaan.

But I suppose they can try sailing tankers and cargo ships up the Mekhong through Vietnam, Cambodia, Lao then onto the 'seaport town' of Khong Chiam just East of Ubon.

[Timwin]

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

You mean the corrupted, resource and wealth stealing, crooked, elite pampering Bangkok is somehow keeping the northern provinces alive?! HA HA HA! It is the other way around, pal! Without the northern provinces Bangkok would collapse.

[coma]

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

Why would it be landlocked ? Lots of access to the sea from Chonburi all the way to the Cambodian border.

The north and central provinces generate pretty much most of Thailands GDP.

The north generates pretty much all of Thailands electrical power.

The north controls all the water flows through the country.

A seperated North/Central "Lanna/Isaan" block would have all the electrical power, all the labour, all the water and generate loads of money.

Without the Central/North block Bangkok and the south would have NO water, NO electrical power, pretty much NO labour - and soon all the factories would move out of Bangkok/South.

This is why Bangkok and the South get so upset about talk of a divide - they offer nothing and live of off the North/Central area's. power generation, water flows, crops, GDP generation etc...

All in my opnion of course.

You know nowt, especially geography.

Chonburi or any coastal waters would never be part of the northern dust bowl area. They would be hundreds of KM from the nearest sea port.

The electricity generating boards that own all the authorities that generate electricity are located in Bangkok. Bangkok and the south actually generate enough electricity for Bangkok and the south. The North and Northeast are actually a major burden on consumption requiring top ups from Myanmar and Laos. The south would not buy any electricity from the north on principal and they would simply become self sufficient if ever needed.

Plus the electrical grid in the north would simply deteriorate because of lack of expertise in the north. Especially under a shin government.

The north does NOT generate anywhere near as much GDP as the south, in fact Bangkok on its own generates more of the GDP than the entire thaksinland could ever hope... In fact the Thaksinland area has been a massive drain on GDP year in and year out. Once trade is cut off between the two sides, within 12 months the north would be in huge recession and the south will boom.

Labour???

The labour will stay where they are, where the money is. That's if the south allows them to work there. ASEAN 2015 will cure any labour problems and will see much more skilled and efficient workers than the lazy isaans... why do you think the south has more migrant workers in construction than Thais???

All in all, your theories are totally flawed from end to end.

The major damage is that the north will have no access to the sea posts and will be in the same boat as Nepal because of its land locked status, and prices will rocket.

Don't bother mentioning rice.... we already have 18 million tonnes of the stuff. With enough wealth to import as much as we need. Most other stuff such as pineapples, coconuts, palm oil, seafood and fruit is in abundance in the south. We don't need yours thanks. But you may need ours.

Great post.

[coma]

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

Let them!!! And when it does become an economic dust bowl, we'll see just how much the Shinawatras love them by putting their hands trotters in their pockets to help them.

Not a penny.

Thanks for that. I have to live here. Might make land cheaper I suppose but then there's the problem of currency. How would that work?

Then again I doubt very much that any of this has been thought through as it's just ranting.

You might want to start hedging some Lao Khip. In the event that these 'boffins' in the red shirt 'think tank' decide the best thing for their new state would be to adopt the Loation currency as their own.

[Bakseeda]

Personally .. i think ... Let the Dogs Run.... nothing like a wee bit of sport... I can always go to places new... But sure now the Army will enter this battle.. Game over..

[Cuchulainn]

keep in mind the 'red' constitute the majority, so putting the succession card out there they are essentially asking the PAD/PDRC "Do you want a separate state so that you don't have 'to be ruled' by"tyranny of the majority"" , since that's what you keep accusing us of, ie ?

What's a succession card?

[MK1]

The Reds now realize the ding-dong ramifications for even suggesting a separate state after the army chief had spoken. They’ve stepped their own poo and now there trying to deny and cover it up.

Edited February 28, 2014 by MK1

[bkksteviejai]

It's okay when red shirts want to secede. If the protestors did that, Chalerm would have called them traitors already and threatened to send in the police to arrest them all.

Probably right, he would of been all over that like a rash. Although a few of the PDRC speakers havent been to polite about Isan & north. Think it might have been that odious fat ladyboy (i'm not speaking about Suthep by the way).

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[lineofentry]

Makes sense, Bangkok is going to be under the waves anyway in a few years.

[moe666]

Thaksin might want to create a new country in the north just like Korea. He has strong supporters in the north and does not care people is the south.

It will be a civil war and the dark age of Thailand will begin. It is time to move out.

ok bye

[Gonsalviz]

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

But where would the rest of Thailand get it's food?

[Gonsalviz]

Stand by for the Maoists to infiltrate from the north to fight for the Isaan-Lanna cause.

Where is that Dislike button?

[Bangmod]

Would be nice to see all those Tuk-tuk, taxi and motorcycle crooks leave the capital city.

Life in the Big city will become a lot cheaper when all the factories will move with their staff back to Isaan, where no minimum wage is respected.

Thailand would make a fortune on all those visa's and working-permits if they control their borders with the "Land of Hatred"

So when can we start??????

[smileydude]

Wouldn't it just be easier for PTP and all the red shirts to move to Cambodia?

Hun Sen and Thaksin are chums.

Politicians can be as corrupt as they like and reap all the benefits.

Communism is alive and well there (beneath the facade of voting) to the liking of Thida, Weng and gang

No elites or ammart there because they were all killed or chased out by the Khmer Rouge.

Perfect no?

[zakk9]

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

But where would the rest of Thailand get it's food?

What they save from not having to subsidize rice farmers will enable them to buy cheaper rice in Vietnam and hand it out to people for free

[brownbear]

Dream (or is it 'nightmare') on ye separatists: aside from the chaos any form of devolution, even if it was legal and ultimately sanctioned by the Thai people and Constitution, and that would be asking something, how on earth do you consider the international community would consider their existing and potential future investments in this country?

Recent times have seen a move to industries and investment previously dominated by Thailand to the true tiger economies of Asia such as Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and more and more Myanmar. ASEAN members such as Singapore, Malaysia and even Indonesia are well in front of Thailand. I love this country and its people and my family, myself excepted, are all Thai Nationals.

It is absolutely tragic to see it being ripped apart by the sheer greed of one single self-interested family, the incumbent politicians they are financing and corrupt institutions and individuals who are focused on one thing only: their own bank accounts.

Have you also considered what third party states with massive interests and influence in the region would do in the event of a division of the country along communist/capitalist lines?

WAKE UP PEOPLE AND STOP DREAMING!

[Bocking]

I see any division of Thailand, no matter where or how the line was drawn, bringing vast technical, economic and social problems for both sides.

In fact, I can see only one obvious winner.

f the Amnesty Bill was 'Plan A', could Secession be Thaksin's 'Plan B' ?

Perhaps he see's half a Country as being better than None

[mikemac]

Let them knock themselves out and try this. The North would probably end up begging to be a part of Burma and Isaan could go back to being a part of Laos again.

Agriculture including rice (and many other products) is actually only 10% if GDP but occupies over 30% of the work force. So it is hugely inefficient. The taxpayers' money that has been squandered (including the govt's bad debts) on rice production in two years is equivalent to around 3% of GDP and the only result to show is the destruction of Thailand's rice export competitiveness that will take years to recover, if ever.

If they form their own state(s) in the North and the Northeast ruled by Chinese and Southerner dictators (Jatuporn, Nattawut, Veera, Thida etc are all Southerners), Bkk and the South can let their rice rot and import what they need from India and Vietnam - better quality and lower prices.

Yea and the Suthep people will eat palm oil and rubber instead of rice and could drink red bull instead of water!

Cheers

Not sure what they would be drinking but they would have plenty of rice to eat. They would buy it from Vietnam, the world's biggest exporter of rice !

[tim armstrong]

The secessionist issue is a knee jerk reaction to the unrest in Bangkok by a small number of disaffected redshirts who want to play with guns. They have mixed feelings about Yingluck and want to vent their anger. I doubt if they have given any thought to actually running a new country.