We favour a democratic Lanna republic, Chiang Mai group says

[MW72]

No doubt they would bring Thaksin back as their democratic elected leader for life, succeeded by his son.

They would have their red army, red schools, red law for the masses with leaders exempt and anyone who didn't agree with them would be banned, like the singers.

"Democratic" Lanna Republic, as democratic as North Korea. The Thai armed forces should act quickly here, these people have to be put in jail.

You say as democratic as North Korea and then suggest the army should act to put them in jail. For what? For having an opinion? For having a different political point of view from you? Sounds like you would fit in perfectly in North Korea

[SICHONSTEVE]

Human rights watch has called out the upperhouse and royalist appointed courts that keep sacking PPP and then PhuaThai as a 'tribunal' and a product of the previous coup-something that is not a real court but rather a pre-judging tribunal, NOTICE Thaksin was NEVER convicted of these crimes before the coup, even though there were riots on the steets calling for his head, AND he was convicted of vague charges like abuse of power and 'fraud' for transfering assets to family members, something all multimillionaires do. Another PPP PM was sacked for going on a cooking show for fuks sake.

The 'rice scam' as you call it is a farm subsidy, all developed countries have farm subsidies, the government has defended it by claioming it doesn't really cost that much more than Abhisits Farmers Insurance scheme, and that Thai rice farmers are poorer than in countries with smaller economies.

Yingluck is being charged with dereliction of duty , again a vague charge, because the NaCC claims that the program had 'corruption' in it. As PM and the cabinet sets policy, policy it is 'policed' at a different level of government, so saying she is in dereliction of duty is kinda like saying she's incompetent - this is not a case of 'graft' which is what the NaCC is supposed to be prosecuting , rather the NaCC blatantly takes this PAD/PDRC position that the voters are too stupid to elect someone who is an idiot, so it has to over-ride them.

They are also said to be pressing a 'corruption' case against more than 300 MPs for simply voting for an amendment that would have made the upper house of parliament fully elected instead of half elected, the amendment passed but was shot down by the constitution court and so the change was not put into law, but then the NaCC decides that that too is a case of corruption. So merely voting for an amendment to the constitution that would make the parliament more democratic is an act of 'graft'. Just one ridiculous case after another, and of course the corruption cases against the Democrat party are not fast-tracked like the ones against the PPP/PhuaThai party, instead they are slowtracked to the point at which cases against Abhist when he was premier more than 2 years ago, have gone no where, where as Yinglucks case was started after the protests started and is almost at the indictment stage.

Wow, so many things wrong in that post that I wouldn't even know where to start!

Human rights watch has called out the upperhouse and royalist appointed courts that keep sacking PPP and then PhuaThai as a 'tribunal' and a product of the previous coup-something that is not a real court but rather a pre-judging tribunal

Can you cite the quote from HRW saying that?

"he was convicted of vague charges like abuse of power and 'fraud' for transfering assets to family members, something all multimillionaires do"

Nothing vague about the charges, he signed on a land purchase of state owned land to his wife, multimillionaires do that all the time, but Thaksin was the Prime Minister at that time, if you can't see the difference then... pfeeewww.

"The 'rice scam' as you call it is a farm subsidy, all developed countries have farm subsidies"

Show me one instance of a country having a subsidy meant to buy every single grain of rice (or other commodity) with the aim of driving up the global price of said commodity, shouldn't be difficult since you claim that all developed countries do it.

"the government has defended it by claioming it doesn't really cost that much more than Abhisits Farmers Insurance scheme"

The government is lying, the Democrats program cost around 70-80 Billion Baht per year, the Rice Scheme gos for at least three to four times that, but more importantly it didn't depend in secret G2G deals, didn't collapse the rice export industry, didn't create enormous amounts of unsealable stockpiles, didn't ran out of money and didn't ruin the livelihood of rice farmers.

"Yingluck is being charged with dereliction of duty"

Not surprising since she didn't attend one single meeting of the Rice Commission she was supposed to chair.

"this is not a case of 'graft' which is what the NaCC is supposed to be prosecuting , rather the NaCC blatantly takes this PAD/PDRC position that the voters are too stupid to elect someone who is an idiot, so it has to over-ride them."

I think it would take men in lab coats and electrodes to follow this particular chain of "logic" so I rather not touch it, it may be infectious.

"They are also said to be pressing a 'corruption' case against more than 300 MPs for simply voting for an amendment that would have made the upper house of parliament fully elected instead of half elected, the amendment passed but was shot down by the constitution court and so the change was not put into law"

It wasn't simple for voting an amendment, it was for irregularities in the vote, for example using the ID cards of MPs not present in parliament to cast the votes. In any case just because an alleged illegal act isn't achived is no basis for absolution, hundreds of thousands of people behind bars for attempted this or that can attest to that.

"cases against Abhist when he was premier more than 2 years ago, have gone no where, where as Yinglucks case was started after the protests started and is almost at the indictment stage. "

First of, can you tell us about that case against Abhisit? You speak as if you know the details of his dastardly deeds. Pro-Government posters here have been harping about those cases but seem to be completely unable to provide any details. How odd.

The second part is just a... must not use three letter word... statement contrary to facts. The investigations on the PTP Rice Scheme have been going for more than a year, besides that they are much more urgent because they deal with a policy currently causing enormous damage to the country.

So, in short, congratulations pkspeaker, an outstanding post almost entirely bereft of facts and logic. Good effort.

Love it to death!!!

I think that the Spitfire has just shot down another Messerschmitt!!!

[Davidhere]

Now this will really get things going - People's Democratic Republic of Lanna.

Definition of republic - noun: republic; plural noun: republics

• 1.

  a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

  THIS MEANS NO ROYAL FAMILY NO KINGDOM OF THAILAND.

  Petchawat Wattanapongsirikul said the PDRL would just be a separate political system for the North, split from Bangkok, and not an independent state.

  lets see how that works - Chiang Mai capitol and land of casinos??????

Chiang Mai Casinos... something near and dear for Thaksin

2004

Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra orders a plan to allow '1 casino - 1 region' in Thailand, a total of four casinos to boost tourism and compete with Singapore.

Local press reports that 3 foreign casino operators have visited Chiang Mai on research, talked to the government and expressed serious interest.

2005

Thaksin orders a revival of the plan.

http://www.chiangmainews.com/ecmn/viewfa.php?id=2045

[Mosha]

Petchawat Wattanapongsirikul and his Chiang mai friends will be arrested for les majesté very soon.

Nice democratic country with great laws!!!!!You don't like a guy report him for LM

HM does not condone LM laws used to settle personal disputes, and for what it's worth, you can't insult a foreign Monarch either in Thailand. Those guys up there are way outside personal dispute area.

[stoffel45]

So the Shins have at last come to the conclusion that they cannot have Thailand as a plaything again.

Though the PDRC were part of the Shin demise, the final blow came from the very people,who realised that they had been truly conned - the Rice Farmers - literally some of the people MOST vital to the Thai economy.

So now, the Shins wish to set up a "Republic" centred on Chiang Mai where once the young Thaksin Shinawatra helped his Father in his Cinema.

Clearly, his latest sick ploy is based on "Well if I cannot find adulation in the whole of Thailand - I will create my own Land.

Presumably the language will be Yuan and the flag red with stars and a sickle.

[Issangeorge]

As I have pointed out before decentralization is one of Suthep's reform proposals, if the redshirts would get off Thaksin's payroll and listen to Suthep they would find that they have many things in common. Jatuporn comes from Suthep's province and Nattawut comes from the province next to Suthep's, these are two of the redshirts most influential leaders. I'm sure if they would get off Thaksin's payroll they could find common ground. Don't let Suthep's reform council put you off, that can be negotiated or even be formed in a way that is somewhat democratic. Remember it is only for a short time and anything it decides will be voted on in a referendum.

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[ThailandNoob]

So in this new Democratic Lanna Republic people will be free to establish a Democrats Party or a Yellow Shirt party and contest the elections. Right?

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Whatever you say about the Red Shirts, the one thing they are not is anti-democratic. But the whole question is pretty academic since the last I heard the Yellow Shirts and the "Democrats" had vowed to oppose elections until "Thailand was completely rid of Shinawatra influence" (read forever since people in the North aren't going to forget them anytime soon). If they won't even bother to contest nationwide elections, then what are the chances of them running in elections in Lanna-Isan?

Though hopefully Lanna-Isan would also have an independent judiciary that wouldn't let them get away with things like sending armed thugs out on election day to attack people wanting to vote ...

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[tezzainoz]

Hmmm….landlocked country with hostile neighbour controlling all the trade and transport links. Yep, that'll work.

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It would not be land locked, would control much of the raw product Bangkok needs to function water, labor, electrical power, rice etc.

You must have not understood what was stated, if Bangkok wanted an "appointed dictatorship", which most of democratic Thailand will not agree to!

Cheers

Not landlocked?

Where is the sea up there?

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Did you not notice who wrote the posting

and the return address La La Land

[phantomfiddler]

Sounds like a great idea to me ! and let the thaksin family bleed them dry, and they still wouldn,t understand what is going on

[AleG]

Human rights watch has called out the upperhouse and royalist appointed courts that keep sacking PPP and then PhuaThai as a 'tribunal' and a product of the previous coup-something that is not a real court but rather a pre-judging tribunal, NOTICE Thaksin was NEVER convicted of these crimes before the coup, even though there were riots on the steets calling for his head, AND he was convicted of vague charges like abuse of power and 'fraud' for transfering assets to family members, something all multimillionaires do. Another PPP PM was sacked for going on a cooking show for fuks sake.

The 'rice scam' as you call it is a farm subsidy, all developed countries have farm subsidies, the government has defended it by claioming it doesn't really cost that much more than Abhisits Farmers Insurance scheme, and that Thai rice farmers are poorer than in countries with smaller economies.

Yingluck is being charged with dereliction of duty , again a vague charge, because the NaCC claims that the program had 'corruption' in it. As PM and the cabinet sets policy, policy it is 'policed' at a different level of government, so saying she is in dereliction of duty is kinda like saying she's incompetent - this is not a case of 'graft' which is what the NaCC is supposed to be prosecuting , rather the NaCC blatantly takes this PAD/PDRC position that the voters are too stupid to elect someone who is an idiot, so it has to over-ride them.

They are also said to be pressing a 'corruption' case against more than 300 MPs for simply voting for an amendment that would have made the upper house of parliament fully elected instead of half elected, the amendment passed but was shot down by the constitution court and so the change was not put into law, but then the NaCC decides that that too is a case of corruption. So merely voting for an amendment to the constitution that would make the parliament more democratic is an act of 'graft'. Just one ridiculous case after another, and of course the corruption cases against the Democrat party are not fast-tracked like the ones against the PPP/PhuaThai party, instead they are slowtracked to the point at which cases against Abhist when he was premier more than 2 years ago, have gone no where, where as Yinglucks case was started after the protests started and is almost at the indictment stage.

Wow, so many things wrong in that post that I wouldn't even know where to start!

Human rights watch has called out the upperhouse and royalist appointed courts that keep sacking PPP and then PhuaThai as a 'tribunal' and a product of the previous coup-something that is not a real court but rather a pre-judging tribunal

Can you cite the quote from HRW saying that?

"he was convicted of vague charges like abuse of power and 'fraud' for transfering assets to family members, something all multimillionaires do"

Nothing vague about the charges, he signed on a land purchase of state owned land to his wife, multimillionaires do that all the time, but Thaksin was the Prime Minister at that time, if you can't see the difference then... pfeeewww.

"The 'rice scam' as you call it is a farm subsidy, all developed countries have farm subsidies"

Show me one instance of a country having a subsidy meant to buy every single grain of rice (or other commodity) with the aim of driving up the global price of said commodity, shouldn't be difficult since you claim that all developed countries do it.

"the government has defended it by claioming it doesn't really cost that much more than Abhisits Farmers Insurance scheme"

The government is lying, the Democrats program cost around 70-80 Billion Baht per year, the Rice Scheme gos for at least three to four times that, but more importantly it didn't depend in secret G2G deals, didn't collapse the rice export industry, didn't create enormous amounts of unsealable stockpiles, didn't ran out of money and didn't ruin the livelihood of rice farmers.

"Yingluck is being charged with dereliction of duty"

Not surprising since she didn't attend one single meeting of the Rice Commission she was supposed to chair.

"this is not a case of 'graft' which is what the NaCC is supposed to be prosecuting , rather the NaCC blatantly takes this PAD/PDRC position that the voters are too stupid to elect someone who is an idiot, so it has to over-ride them."

I think it would take men in lab coats and electrodes to follow this particular chain of "logic" so I rather not touch it, it may be infectious.

"They are also said to be pressing a 'corruption' case against more than 300 MPs for simply voting for an amendment that would have made the upper house of parliament fully elected instead of half elected, the amendment passed but was shot down by the constitution court and so the change was not put into law"

It wasn't simple for voting an amendment, it was for irregularities in the vote, for example using the ID cards of MPs not present in parliament to cast the votes. In any case just because an alleged illegal act isn't achived is no basis for absolution, hundreds of thousands of people behind bars for attempted this or that can attest to that.

"cases against Abhist when he was premier more than 2 years ago, have gone no where, where as Yinglucks case was started after the protests started and is almost at the indictment stage. "

First of, can you tell us about that case against Abhisit? You speak as if you know the details of his dastardly deeds. Pro-Government posters here have been harping about those cases but seem to be completely unable to provide any details. How odd.

The second part is just a... must not use three letter word... statement contrary to facts. The investigations on the PTP Rice Scheme have been going for more than a year, besides that they are much more urgent because they deal with a policy currently causing enormous damage to the country.

So, in short, congratulations pkspeaker, an outstanding post almost entirely bereft of facts and logic. Good effort.

Love it to death!!!

I think that the Spitfire has just shot down another Messerschmitt!!!

Hey, wait a second, the Messerschmitt Bf-109 was a refined, versatile and higly effective machine. That post was more like popping a barrage balloon, you know, something big, amorphous, full of gas and incapable of going anywhere.

[tezzainoz]

Taksin you got my wifes vote

and then we aill move to Hua Hin

[SICHONSTEVE]

Human rights watch has called out the upperhouse and royalist appointed courts that keep sacking PPP and then PhuaThai as a 'tribunal' and a product of the previous coup-something that is not a real court but rather a pre-judging tribunal, NOTICE Thaksin was NEVER convicted of these crimes before the coup, even though there were riots on the steets calling for his head, AND he was convicted of vague charges like abuse of power and 'fraud' for transfering assets to family members, something all multimillionaires do. Another PPP PM was sacked for going on a cooking show for fuks sake.

The 'rice scam' as you call it is a farm subsidy, all developed countries have farm subsidies, the government has defended it by claioming it doesn't really cost that much more than Abhisits Farmers Insurance scheme, and that Thai rice farmers are poorer than in countries with smaller economies.

Yingluck is being charged with dereliction of duty , again a vague charge, because the NaCC claims that the program had 'corruption' in it. As PM and the cabinet sets policy, policy it is 'policed' at a different level of government, so saying she is in dereliction of duty is kinda like saying she's incompetent - this is not a case of 'graft' which is what the NaCC is supposed to be prosecuting , rather the NaCC blatantly takes this PAD/PDRC position that the voters are too stupid to elect someone who is an idiot, so it has to over-ride them.

They are also said to be pressing a 'corruption' case against more than 300 MPs for simply voting for an amendment that would have made the upper house of parliament fully elected instead of half elected, the amendment passed but was shot down by the constitution court and so the change was not put into law, but then the NaCC decides that that too is a case of corruption. So merely voting for an amendment to the constitution that would make the parliament more democratic is an act of 'graft'. Just one ridiculous case after another, and of course the corruption cases against the Democrat party are not fast-tracked like the ones against the PPP/PhuaThai party, instead they are slowtracked to the point at which cases against Abhist when he was premier more than 2 years ago, have gone no where, where as Yinglucks case was started after the protests started and is almost at the indictment stage.

Wow, so many things wrong in that post that I wouldn't even know where to start!

Human rights watch has called out the upperhouse and royalist appointed courts that keep sacking PPP and then PhuaThai as a 'tribunal' and a product of the previous coup-something that is not a real court but rather a pre-judging tribunal

Can you cite the quote from HRW saying that?

"he was convicted of vague charges like abuse of power and 'fraud' for transfering assets to family members, something all multimillionaires do"

Nothing vague about the charges, he signed on a land purchase of state owned land to his wife, multimillionaires do that all the time, but Thaksin was the Prime Minister at that time, if you can't see the difference then... pfeeewww.

"The 'rice scam' as you call it is a farm subsidy, all developed countries have farm subsidies"

Show me one instance of a country having a subsidy meant to buy every single grain of rice (or other commodity) with the aim of driving up the global price of said commodity, shouldn't be difficult since you claim that all developed countries do it.

"the government has defended it by claioming it doesn't really cost that much more than Abhisits Farmers Insurance scheme"

The government is lying, the Democrats program cost around 70-80 Billion Baht per year, the Rice Scheme gos for at least three to four times that, but more importantly it didn't depend in secret G2G deals, didn't collapse the rice export industry, didn't create enormous amounts of unsealable stockpiles, didn't ran out of money and didn't ruin the livelihood of rice farmers.

"Yingluck is being charged with dereliction of duty"

Not surprising since she didn't attend one single meeting of the Rice Commission she was supposed to chair.

"this is not a case of 'graft' which is what the NaCC is supposed to be prosecuting , rather the NaCC blatantly takes this PAD/PDRC position that the voters are too stupid to elect someone who is an idiot, so it has to over-ride them."

I think it would take men in lab coats and electrodes to follow this particular chain of "logic" so I rather not touch it, it may be infectious.

"They are also said to be pressing a 'corruption' case against more than 300 MPs for simply voting for an amendment that would have made the upper house of parliament fully elected instead of half elected, the amendment passed but was shot down by the constitution court and so the change was not put into law"

It wasn't simple for voting an amendment, it was for irregularities in the vote, for example using the ID cards of MPs not present in parliament to cast the votes. In any case just because an alleged illegal act isn't achived is no basis for absolution, hundreds of thousands of people behind bars for attempted this or that can attest to that.

"cases against Abhist when he was premier more than 2 years ago, have gone no where, where as Yinglucks case was started after the protests started and is almost at the indictment stage. "

First of, can you tell us about that case against Abhisit? You speak as if you know the details of his dastardly deeds. Pro-Government posters here have been harping about those cases but seem to be completely unable to provide any details. How odd.

The second part is just a... must not use three letter word... statement contrary to facts. The investigations on the PTP Rice Scheme have been going for more than a year, besides that they are much more urgent because they deal with a policy currently causing enormous damage to the country.

So, in short, congratulations pkspeaker, an outstanding post almost entirely bereft of facts and logic. Good effort.

Love it to death!!!

I think that the Spitfire has just shot down another Messerschmitt!!!

Hey, wait a second, the Messerschmitt Bf-109 was a refined, versatile and higly effective machine. That post was more like popping a barrage balloon, you know, something big, amorphous, full of gas and incapable of going anywhere.

I don't care what it was - one things for sure, it hit the ground with an almighty thump.

That boy sure did take a beating!!!

[Davidhere]

Looks land locked to me.

Can you explain why it is not?

You mean you haven't you seen Plodrasop's plans for a high speed canal?

Maybe they would join up with Burma so they could feel wealthy.....

Speaking of Burma, it's worth noting that about half of the Lanna Kingdom was in present day Myanmar.

Do Red Shirt leader Petchawat's plans involve annexing that territory as well?

[mercman24]

Yeah . that's going to work then,i can see all the "bar-girls" returning north to their homes to work in the paddy fields , lol !! instead sitting on a bar stool in BKK or Pattaya , their money is keeping families afloat in the north, they all send money home to look after their parents who in turn are looking after their kids. every girl i know has a "baby" in the north,

[Davidhere]

I thought this Secession business is illegal! and carries a heavy sentence.

Its got the attention of Gen Prayuth now, and legal proceedings have started.

Anything from Yingluck?

Anything from Red Shirt Boss Thida?

.

[me313]

This group is as representative of Northern Thai public opinion as the the Tonbridge Wells Nazi Party is of UK public opinion. Chiang Mai isn't going anywhere.

There is less of a difference between the two types of parties listed above than you put forward. Please note the little Thai school girls from Chiang Mai who were photographed marching in SS uniforms on their costume day for their school--it made international news and also was a Thai Visa article.

There are many other political forces behind these factions and disputes than are reported openly, and such is the nature of politics. It could be comparable to a Lobby exerting influence on a political group via donations and support that can easily be hidden in covert manner. Considering the nature and mentality of many people I have met here in the South of Thailand, who invest and have a lot of cheap labor and get treated "like kings" as they put it, I think they enjoy this status and it rings very much like Imperialism or Nazism in various disguises--along with Swastikas and Thai girls marching in SS uniforms in Chiang Mai, your comment about groups that seem disparate and unrelated are, in fact, either an unconscious connection or a subtle hint at what is going on behind the scenes of this "revolution" which is turning into outright chaos or anarchy, and has nothing to do with "Democracy" or it's getting to that point. The Anarchy will lead to some kind of fascist reprisal or control over the situation, which is what Nazis really want in the first place. Then their puppet regimes will be put in power and they will continue to get the benefits of carte blanche investing in other regions of Thailand, where the poor locals had better put up, put out, or shut up and help serve those who can exert the power and control via their minions in the Thai population.

Edited March 2, 2014 by me313

[Crushdepth]

I thought this Secession business is illegal! and carries a heavy sentence.

Its got the attention of Gen Prayuth now, and legal proceedings have started.

Anything from Yingluck?

Anything from Red Shirt Boss Thida?

.

They're busy debating how many yellow stars should go on the red flag of the Democratic People's Republic of Lanna.

[mrtoad]

I thought this Secession business is illegal! and carries a heavy sentence.

Its got the attention of Gen Prayuth now, and legal proceedings have started.

Anything from Yingluck?

Anything from Red Shirt Boss Thida?

.

Nothing from the traitorous Thai Rouge.

They are either decided that its time to pack their bags and leave or they are up to more no good.

[Thait Spot]

Hmmm….landlocked country with hostile neighbour controlling all the trade and transport links. Yep, that'll work.

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It would not be land locked, would control much of the raw product Bangkok needs to function water, labor, electrical power, rice etc.

You must have not understood what was stated, if Bangkok wanted an "appointed dictatorship", which most of democratic Thailand will not agree to!

Cheers

Not landlocked?

Where is the sea up there?

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Did you not notice who wrote the posting

and the return address La La Land

I did. He reminds me of Ian Dury's jack shit George

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[Mosha]

Petchawat said people who prefer dictatorship can move from the northern region to other parts of Thailand......therefore we advise foreigner to wear a red armband to show their sympanty or back up and move out

Under Thaksin, the New Democratic Republic of Sinawatra will be far from democratic.

Mark ourselves out? Who are the facists?

[wolfmanjack]

this people so stupid.

go away from my country please !!

"this people so stupid" " "go away from my country" It's this kind of thinking of people such you is why Chiang Mai, (lanna) are talking this way. anyone who has read some of your comments here will know just what kind of attitude you have to other people, ie your slave fishing comments, "why we care, not Thai people,"

and your, we don't need you people we don't need your money comment,

It is absolute fact that (NOT ALL) but many people are very bias and discriminate against people from the north and north east, not only by southern Thai's but even some foreigners are guilty of the same attitude

I feel Thailand should stay as one country and one people, but it is no surprise that this is what is being talked about.

If the red shirts do not like this type of behavior can you explain to me why the red shirts were driving around last week screaming at non red shirts to get out of thailand?

[Shaunduhpostman]

Based on the jokes being retold in the article, the comedians that want to have Lanna as a separate group in Chiang Mai strike me as more of the same sorts of lugubrious, self-serving, loud mouthed crocodiles/comedians/ignoramuses, and tho I know nothing about democracy, never having encountered one anywhere, just off the top of my head, it does seem that what is being suggested in the center ring at the Chiang Mai Big Top among many other places is that a new kind of Thailand might be worth looking into. No more hard feelings. Such a Thailand that was divided up into Lanna, Issan, South Thailand and Central Thailand, each region having their own powers to make laws and veto laws, collect taxes and do their own projects according to their local needs, etc. might really go a long way towards creating some insulation for the raw clashes between all the regions and Bangkok. In theory.

It seems that giving each region more self-determination would, in theory, help add another check and balance to anyone going for a dictatorial power grab. Regions could refuse to accept legislation or other incursions from Bangkok if their constituents rejected it. It might also make mass corruption and abuse of power less appealing or at least more difficult, as the country would be divided up into autonomous areas each with their own funds instead of it all being centralized and in the hands of a single Prime Minister/government. Maybe I got that wrong, sorry, I'm also an idiot.

But it does seem it could create more long over due space and security for all from exploitative/rapacious central authorities while still retaining the advantages of being a unified country. But, I well know as do most of you that if the players are the same, they'll just find new ways to exploit such a system. If the system is ridden with corruption and Machiavallianism as is this one, it won't help much. Tho it might provide a temporary diversion from the usual at-each-others-throats. I think they should try it. I think this is what Thaksin wants, so maybe bettter think twice, but it might also help to protect us from him.

[whybother]

If the headwaters of the Chao Phraya River were included in this hypothetical Lanna Republic, LR interference with those headwaters would cause Bangkok to be a dust bowl and salt intrusion would make its way north of Bangkok.The South isn't all as independent as some might believe from the upcountry.

Bangkok may be a dust bowl, but it will have a HUGE lake to the north of it.

[MK1]

As per Lite Beer

.Advocates of separatism warned by army chief

BANGKOK: -- Army Commander-in-Chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha has ordered legal actions to be taken against certain elements who have incited rebellion for separatism in northern provinces.

Full Story: http://www.thaivisa....-by-army-chief/

[louse1953]

"He said there were three factors behind the idea of setting up a "Republic of Lanna". Firstly, people in the North were looked down upon by others, with the PDRC often referring to red shirts as "red water buffaloes". Secondly, the opposing group did not respect the law and there were double standards in the judicial system. The third reason, he said, was the undemocratic aspirations of the PDRC.

Looking down on red shirts as 'red-water buffaloes' was a severe form of discrimination against human dignity, Petchawat noted."

This has been repeated to death over and over by Abhisit and later Suthep.

Touch any Thai on his head and let' see how you will end.

The same goes for the name calling "buffalo".

If this people are "dumb" and "can not vote". educate them instead of barring them of a basic constitutional right.

And the idea of an independent "Lanna" state goes further as Chiang Mai.

Most of Issaan are for pro for that idea.

If the idea of an Lanna country would come trough, Bangkok would be nothing more than a piece of land sinking fast in the sea.

Finally, as another poster in this thread stated, Thaksin is one of the richest people in the world.

The farmers in Issaan knows that and Thaksin has been helping the Issaan people for many years.

He would be welcomed back in Issaan and help the Issaan community and economic.

Not what Suthep did with his rally,

Rant on as much as you want, it is a fact that the idea of segregation will be the only way out for the Bangkokian hate culture.

Have you spoken to any Issan farmers lately?Well i have,at a wedding last night,and i can tell you the Shins are on the nose.Suthep ain't the flavour of the month either,but YS is the one who hasn't come up with the money for rice,so she is in the gun.The facts are in your head only,there is no hate for Bangkok people,only the inept pollies.Segragation would be death.As with most rich people he has had his hand in Thai peoples pockets,taking not giving.

[slapout]

Some childrten start off imatating their favorite growup figures, playing house, doctor, etc others seem almost reclusive and play by themselves with make believe friends Once they have gone thru puberty and reached what should be a responsible adulthood and still display such behavior, they are either medicated or committed to a facility designed to handle anti social people.

After the antics vocal and physical, displayed by various individuals/groups over the past few weeks, it seems that Thailand needs to be approaching the causes/s which have resulted in the mental health issues that are being displayed by the non incracrated population. Might be the potential for another HUB.

[Crushdepth]

If the headwaters of the Chao Phraya River were included in this hypothetical Lanna Republic, LR interference with those headwaters would cause Bangkok to be a dust bowl and salt intrusion would make its way north of Bangkok.The South isn't all as independent as some might believe from the upcountry.

You're assuming that most of the flow originates from the headwaters, which is probably not the case, and that the dams have unlimited capacity, which they don't. Flooding is a regular occurrence, they have to let water go.

[Morakot]

Map of Southeast Asia 1400 CE

As a continuation of the Ngoenyang kingdom, Lanna emerged strong enough in the 15th century to rival the Ayutthaya kingdom, with whom wars were fought. However, Lanna was weakened and then became a Burmese tributary state in 1558. Lanna was ruled by successive vassal kings, though some enjoyed autonomy. The Burmese rule gradually withdrew but then resumed as the new Konbaung dynasty expanded Burmese influences. Taksin of Thonburi finally took Lanna in 1775 and broke it down into a number of tributary kingdoms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanna_Kingdom

Edited March 2, 2014 by Morakot

[LindsayBKK]

Army files suit against Lanna group

the story gets better everyday.

[personchester]

This will not take place, but it could be done in a milder form of separation, that is to say that Thailand agrees to create three "states" ... North & North-East, Central, and South.

Thailand will of course retain a central government that controls matters of ... foreign policy, finance matters, THB control, and all military aspects.

The three new states will then control all the other political aspects within their region, and the population of the state regions might be happy with it.