Pheu Thai should be dissolved for treason: Democrats

[DirtFarmer]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

Wasn't the PTP party leader, Charupong Ruangsuwan, one of those attending the meetings were secession and the rising of a 600.000 strong "civil force" were discussed?

if discussion was an act of treason...we are all guilty

It went (and is) going much further than any 'discussion' my friend.

There is a movement in full flow, or have you not been keeping up with the news?

The declaration on stage of the PTP leader and Interior Minister Churapong urging 1 million 'armed' reds to rise up and fight to the death, while banging their war drum, and the reds/UDD pulling together a large force with with the Chiang Mai mob waving their red and white PDR Lanna flags with their PDR Lanna head bands.

The banners that are being put up in support of separation in the week following this war drum and mass assembly.

This my friend is a lot more than a discussion.

This is a drama bomb from the next episode of the ongoing Thai soap opera, and the army have rumbled their game.

This sort of thing you nip in the bud, and with huge force if necessary, but if you don't act quickly and the genie escapes from the bottle, it is almost impossible to get it back in and we end up with an insurgency of a much bigger magnitude than that of the south, and that one is bad enough on its own without a red insurgency breaking out in the north.

The situation then would make the protests in BKK look like a kiddies picnic.

While I appreciate your your concern and intensity... it does reek of the same kinds of things that Suthep has spewed nightly from his pulpit and in both cases it may not be more than firebrand rhetoric...as I recall none of this talk from the reds happened until they had had enough of three months of Suthep's clear "removal tactics" of the current regime and all his bluster as well.. if there is wrongdoing I am sure it will be dealt with by the Army if need be.. and it may very well be the reason for a coup that has been hinted to as well... but Since Thida [sp] Theeda and others have already come out in no uncertain terms..opposing it... it may also be only part of the Reds that it represents...if they splinter their group by stupidity it's on them... but you don't go in with an army and quash something as egregious as this "might" be without having all the ducks in a row...so far they haven't been able to even control or arrest Suthep or bring him to task to face his charges so I am not sure an attack on an amorphous "genie" is anything more than a bit of a knee jerk... we will see what the court says to the Army charges... they are the ones who will have to prove their case and execute the results of it in due process...cheers

Suthep also said he would fight to the death with his bare hands against guns tanks and blah blah blah... so still taking everything with a grain of salt...

Edited March 3, 2014 by DirtFarmer

[Thai at Heart]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

Wasn't the PTP party leader, Charupong Ruangsuwan, one of those attending the meetings were secession and the rising of a 600.000 strong "civil force" were discussed?

if discussion was an act of treason...we are all guilty

It went (and is) going much further than any 'discussion' my friend.

There is a movement in full flow, or have you not been keeping up with the news?

The declaration on stage of the PTP leader and Interior Minister Churapong urging 1 million 'armed' reds to rise up and fight to the death, while banging their war drum, and the reds/UDD pulling together a large force with with the Chiang Mai mob waving their red and white PDR Lanna flags with their PDR Lanna head bands.

The banners that are being put up in support of separation in the week following this war drum and mass assembly.

This my friend is a lot more than a discussion.

This is a drama bomb from the next episode of the ongoing Thai soap opera, and the army have rumbled their game.

This sort of thing you nip in the bud, and with huge force if necessary, but if you don't act quickly and the genie escapes from the bottle, it is almost impossible to get it back in and we end up with an insurgency of a much bigger magnitude than that of the south, and that one is bad enough on its own without a red insurgency breaking out in the north.

The situation then would make the protests in BKK look like a kiddies picnic.

They have to terrify PTP into disowning the whole movement. If they don't, this thing will grow and grow. Just watch. It is very easy to incite disaffected people to do stupid things, and this is one issue that has resonance in Isan and the North. A lot of people up there hate Bangkokians, and after what Bangkokians have been saying about them, is it hardly surprising. I would actually say, that in my life I have only been the recipeient of genuine insults out of ignorance, and both times they were amond supposedly educated company in Bangkok.

People think they are free to imply what they like if they are of a position. Its not funny and its not clever. People don't forget.

[dru2]

I guess the best defense is an offense.

As a dyed-in-the-wool Thaksinista, you should know.

[tullynagardy]

Of course we will support Abhist and Suthep rather then the Dubai kleptomaniac and his Poo sister!

Why support either? You make it sound like disproving of one means compulsory supporting the other. It doesn`t.

This Kleptocracy word you put in seemingly every post is every bit as relevant to Suthep/Abhisit as Thaskin. The Palm Oil scam is the very definition of it in fact.

Do you not get bored just cheering a side aimlessly like a football match? So much to do online yet all you do is reply to every topic with the same answer, allbeit slightly edited each time.

[dcutman]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

Wasn't the PTP party leader, Charupong Ruangsuwan, one of those attending the meetings were secession and the rising of a 600.000 strong "civil force" were discussed?

In the post article, It is the acting Deputy Secretary General for the Prime Minister Suporn. and not only did he attend but he is the organizer of the whole thing. Along with six other ex PTP MP's

[chrisrazz]

A sure fire way to escalate the situation if for the courts to disband PT on these grounds.

[Morakot]

Most states around the world that have treason laws, consider treason violent or extreme acts against the nation or the sovereign. None consider speech acts or other forms of advocacy as such a crime.

[TVGerry]

Of course we will support Abhist and Suthep rather then the Dubai kleptomaniac and his Poo sister!

Why support either? You make it sound like disproving of one means compulsory supporting the other. It doesn`t.

This Kleptocracy word you put in seemingly every post is every bit as relevant to Suthep/Abhisit as Thaskin. The Palm Oil scam is the very definition of it in fact.

Do you not get bored just cheering a side aimlessly like a football match? So much to do online yet all you do is reply to every topic with the same answer, allbeit slightly edited each time.

Why support either? Good question actually. Who do you suggest people who don't want to take sides support?

[Morakot]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

True. Even so, I don't think advocating this or that can be considered treason, even in Thailand.

[Mosha]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

It would have helped, if instead of smiling at the fools in the head bands, That she condemned them, like Kinnock did at a Labour Party Conference with Labour's Loony Left. (Or was it a TUC Conference?)

[whoisyourdaddy]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

Could be easier than it first appears.

Number of scenarios

1. Prove PTP was aware of the plans but did nothing to stop

2. PTP help in some shape or form to master mind it

3. Was made aware after the fact, yet failed to report or to act.

All 3 scenarios make PTP guilty , just as one does not need to commit murder, to be guilty of conspiracy to commit

[ramrod711]

Such action, Mr. Wirat said in a press conference yesterday, clearly violates Article 1 of the 2007 Constitution, which proclaims that the Kingdom of Thailand is one, indivisible state.

Is there any articles they haven't violated? The constitution means nothing to them, the law means nothing and their red army have no problem killing children and innocent people to make their point.

[pedro01]

Grow up. All of you.

have to agree - this whole thing about constantly trying to get the opposition disbanded is childish

[Morakot]

Prove PTP was aware of the plans

What was the plan? Did I miss something here? Who tried to do what?

[whoisyourdaddy]

Prove PTP was aware of the plans

What was the plan? Did I miss something here? Who tried to do what?

Plan to have lulu land, i mean lanna land

[tezzainoz]

The dems could have made a difference if they participated in the last round of elections, they chose not to, shame really, it also does appear that in the past 48 hours there's been a very significant anti Government, Anti Shiniwatra step up, threats of acts of treason, sedition, you name it, it's all being thrown towards the curent establishment, rightly or wrongly.

It seems to be a step towards removing the peoplese right to vote, I think that even if PTP were to fold, it would make Thaksin even more determined to cause grief and disharmony in Thailand, I dare say all the people who support the PTP might feel a little agrieved too! ??

This week is sure going to be interesting!!!

what you did not say in your post

is that the pTP still have Taksin amnesty still on the table and in a short time will make it law

now you say that dems do not want an election

Have you ever though if this amnesty is wiped totally there would be an election

you would not be making a biased posting would you

[Morakot]

Prove PTP was aware of the plans

What was the plan? Did I miss something here? Who tried to do what?

Plan to have lulu land, i mean lanna land

"Plan" in sense of wearing some headbands and talking about it, or were there other means of "having" a republic? Hardly a crime if nothing else happened...

Edited March 3, 2014 by Morakot

[tezzainoz]

Grow up. All of you.

I wholeheartedly agree. If everyone involved would stop running crying to the courts, like toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram, and just get down to some grown up talking it would be a big step forward. 67 million Thai people deserve better than this.

I would agree with you 67 million people need to know that the government is not above the law

[MobileContent]

The Democrats should be indicted for treason by overthrowing an elected government by blocking roads and government buildings with their thugs from Surat.

Do I support the guys from the North that talk about Lanna? Surely not but just lets get banned both of the parties and Thailand have a new start.

[rubl]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

I guess it depends on the situation and the seriousness.

Like the event Ms. Yingluck was at in the North of Thailand with red-shirts wearing separatist slogans around their head. At that moment Ms. Yingluck should have left the event in order to publicly dissociate herself with such ideas against the state she can't refuse to stop defending as caretaker PM. Of course with her it's utterly believable that she knew nothing, noticed nothing and anyway all people there liked me

[whoisyourdaddy]

Prove PTP was aware of the plans

What was the plan? Did I miss something here? Who tried to do what?

Plan to have lulu land, i mean lanna land

"Plan" in sense of wearing some headbands and talking about it, or were there other means of "having" a republic? Hardly a crime if nothing else happened...

On the contrary, plan is even being aware there is such a talk, because even such a talk is illegal

Just because you did not succeed in murdering someone, it does not mean you not guilty of master minding or being a conspirator.

[rubl]

The Democrats should be indicted for treason by overthrowing an elected government by blocking roads and government buildings with their thugs from Surat.

Do I support the guys from the North that talk about Lanna? Surely not but just lets get banned both of the parties and Thailand have a new start.

Pray tell, when did the Democrat Party overthrow the Yingluck government? I seem to have missed that. Was it before or after Ms. Yingluck dissolved the House?

[Luk Mhee]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

Supporters need a leader for direction, right? And who are the leaders of the R/S?

[Crushdepth]

How do you dissolve a party for something that your SUPPORTERS do?

That's the great thing about puppets errr supporters. Get them to raise the issue or do the dirty work so you can publicly and heroically denounce it...but the idea is out there. Or the bombs have been thrown.

[Stone Inscription 1]

The dems could have made a difference if they participated in the last round of elections, they chose not to, shame really, it also does appear that in the past 48 hours there's been a very significant anti Government, Anti Shiniwatra step up, threats of acts of treason, sedition, you name it, it's all being thrown towards the curent establishment, rightly or wrongly.

It seems to be a step towards removing the peoplese right to vote, I think that even if PTP were to fold, it would make Thaksin even more determined to cause grief and disharmony in Thailand, I dare say all the people who support the PTP might feel a little agrieved too! ??

This week is sure going to be interesting!!!

The Democrats can only make a difference if they can come up with some policies to win over the electorate otherwise they are doomed to keep losing at the polls.

[Morakot]

even such a talk is illegal

Just because you did not succeed in murdering someone, it does not mean you not guilty of master minding or being a conspirator.

Who gave such an idea? Do you come from a former communist country?

How absurd to compare the action of wearing headbands with political slogans to attempted murder. Advocating this or that (expect for some aspects in relation to the royal family) is hardly illegal, in the absence of any violence or threats of violence.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Morakot

[marcusd]

I concur. Not only did these people not condemn the secessionists, they even had a minister attend an event where they reds declared their intention.

meanwhile the so called democrates in name only not only turned their backs on democratic elections but backed a movement that wanted to sieze power of the Thai government & forcefully stop people from using their democratic right to vote.

Yet you fruitcake followers still support abisits desperados as well as the fruitcake

Of course we will support Abhist and Suthep rather then the Dubai kleptomaniac and his Poo sister!

I follow no one but myself. I am responsible for 58 Australian staff, 21 contractors, 12 Thai staff.

Without me they have no jobs, loans or a better future as I pay and reward DOUBLE normal for their work. I train, educate and assist.

These IDIOTS in Bangkok are destroying opportunities for these innocents.

Marcusd. Via tapatalk

[Fat Haggis]

The dems could have made a difference if they participated in the last round of elections, they chose not to, shame really, it also does appear that in the past 48 hours there's been a very significant anti Government, Anti Shiniwatra step up, threats of acts of treason, sedition, you name it, it's all being thrown towards the curent establishment, rightly or wrongly.

It seems to be a step towards removing the peoplese right to vote, I think that even if PTP were to fold, it would make Thaksin even more determined to cause grief and disharmony in Thailand, I dare say all the people who support the PTP might feel a little agrieved too! ??

This week is sure going to be interesting!!!

what you did not say in your post

is that the pTP still have Taksin amnesty still on the table and in a short time will make it law

now you say that dems do not want an election

Have you ever though if this amnesty is wiped totally there would be an election

you would not be making a biased posting would you

Wouldn't the amnesty Bill benefit both Abhisit and Suthep as well?? I don't really know and to be honest I don't really care, as I'm a Farang with no say in what does and doesn't get passed through and I'm sure that such a Bill would have to meet with approval from much higher up??

I'm not biased in any way, I can't be arsed with either red or yellow nonesence it's like two fat kids bullying each other in a playground..

I'd much rather see the people United rather than divided as that's what's happening now.

[chooka]

"number of Pheu Thai supporters have advocated for north and northeastern Thailand to be an independent state, separated from Bangkok and the rest of Thailand."

I hardly think that is a reason to dissolve a political party, whether you like them or not. I voted for the Liberals in the last Australian election and if I said that the state of Victoria should become independent does that mean that the liberal party of Australia should be dissolved? I few independent nutters and non politicians are entitled to their opinions.

[whoisyourdaddy]

I concur. Not only did these people not condemn the secessionists, they even had a minister attend an event where they reds declared their intention.

meanwhile the so called democrates in name only not only turned their backs on democratic elections but backed a movement that wanted to sieze power of the Thai government & forcefully stop people from using their democratic right to vote.

Yet you fruitcake followers still support abisits desperados as well as the fruitcake

Of course we will support Abhist and Suthep rather then the Dubai kleptomaniac and his Poo sister!

I follow no one but myself. I am responsible for 58 Australian staff, 21 contractors, 12 Thai staff.

Without me they have no jobs, loans or a better future as I pay and reward DOUBLE normal for their work. I train, educate and assist.

These IDIOTS in Bangkok are destroying opportunities for these innocents.

Marcusd. Via tapatalk

That is really amazing that you can have 58 foreigners and only 12 Thai's, really really amazing