Red shirts asked to stop promoting separatism: PM Yingluck

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Red shirts asked to stop promoting separatism: PM
By Digital Content

BANGKOK, March 5 - Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said she has instructed the army to prevent any move toward separatism, and also asked the red shirt group to stop mentioning the issue.

Ms Yingluck made the remark following the army's move to file charges against the red shirt group in the North for allegedly instigating separatism.

The caretaker premier said she has instructed the army to ensure national security in all provinces, especially monitoring any unlawful activities to prevent any attempt of separatism.

Ms Yingluck however stated that equal practice must be applied to all groups without discrimination.

The caretaker premier said she has also warned all groups including the pro-government red shirts and ministers who raised the separatism ideas, adding that such idea was mentioned due to their resentment.

Meanwhile, anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) today announced its support for the army's move.

PDRC spokesman Akanat Promphan said he was disappointed with Ms Yingluck's remark blaming the army for applying a double-standard practice to take legal action against pro-separatism groups.

Mr Akanat reaffirmed that the PDRC has not violated the law and that the protesters are ready to shield the army from any impact from its move.

"It is the prime minister who applies double standards for failing to take any action against those people," the PDRC spokesperson said. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2014-03-05

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PARTITION
Secession-call issue raised at Defence Council meet
The Nation


Caretaker Prime Minister and Defence Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has a meal with top military brass during a Defence Council meeting yesterday.

BANGKOK: -- A meeting of the Defence Council yesterday comprising government figures and top military brass went smoothly, after initial fears of a confrontation over legal action being taken against pro-government red shirts by the Army over secession remarks.

Army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha defended himself against criticism over his alleged favouritism of the anti-government movement.

He faced claims of Army inaction towards the activities and protests by the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), while legal action was taken against pro-government red shirts after their alleged calls for secession.

Prayuth said the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger".

After the meeting, Defence Ministry spokesman Colonel Paphathip Sawangsaeng quoted caretaker PM Yingluck Shinawatra, who is also caretaker defence minister, as vowing not to allow secession, or any violation of the Constitution. She instructed all security authorities, especially the Internal Security Operations Command, to act against the secession call "treating all political groups equally", said the colonel.

He said Yingluck thanked the military for performing its security duties and providing medical assistance during the protests. She repeated her call for the military to review the locations of military emplacements in Bangkok to make them appropriate to the situation and befitting the country's image.

She thanked the military for ordering troops to vote in the general election on February 2. She also praised military units in the far South for their handling of insurgency-related violence and called for support of royally initiated strategies to win over the local population in the region. She also asked the military to support the Senate election on March 30 and stay neutral in Thai politics.

The meeting was called by Yingluck and held at the Air Force main auditorium in northern Bangkok. The event discussed routine agendas and defence affairs as well as political issues, including the continuing PDRC protests, the coming senatorial candidacy registration and election, and secession calls by red-shirt groups and their reported mobilisation of men and equipment.

Before the meeting, Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul, as chief advisor of the government's Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order, called on Prayuth to deal with "rebels in the capital" in the same way that he had dealt with red shirts in the North who had made a secession call. He said that fair treatment of both groups would result in the country returning to order.

PDRC supporters in Phitsanulok, where banners promoting a secession call were posted at several locations, filed a complaint with police against caretaker Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan over his statement made at a red-organised rally on February 23. They claimed he delivered messages in favour of the secession call and said there were 10 million pistols in the possession of Thai people.

A civic anti-corruption group in Khon Kaen did the same, telling police that Charupong made similar statements on the next two days.


-- The Nation 2014-03-05

[mrtoad]

Didn't they deny this yesterday? I'm sure some of the Thai Rouge posters also tried to blame Suthep?

This little genie might not be so easy to put back in the bottle now.

[Davidhere]

Didn't they deny this yesterday? I'm sure some of the Thai Rouge posters also tried to blame Suthep?

This little genie might not be so easy to put back in the bottle now.

The red shirt separatists' outright denials had way too many holes and any sort of condemnation has taken too long to believe their is any sincerity in it.

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[focus27]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

[JRSoul]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

Another similarity - the communist insurgency was supported and funded by interests outside the country as well.

Edited March 5, 2014 by JRSoul

[Thai at Heart]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

All they want is a bit of independence for governors and taxes. Hardly ground breaking.

Not even thaksin sees the value in running a land locked bunch of hills.

[JRSoul]

Yingluk seems to have belatedly remembered the punishment for promoting secession, and is possible suffering from psychosomatic itchiness of the forearms, right where they insert the needles.

[thesetat2013]

Didn't they deny this yesterday? I'm sure some of the Thai Rouge posters also tried to blame Suthep?

This little genie might not be so easy to put back in the bottle now.

The red shirt separatists' outright denials had way too many holes and any sort of condemnation has taken too long to believe their is any sincerity in it.

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I agree! By all rights YL should have charges laid against her as well for supporting this call to secession. She was in the north during this and not once spoke out to stop her parties call to seperate from thailand. As they say " if you are not with me you are against me"

YLs failure to speak out against the REDS call for secession shows she supported it. As with all the PTP lackeys not a single one including YL cared to try to stop this call until the Army put their foot down threatened them.

Now they are all trying to make excuses and denials and YL is still insinuating the Army is biased by not adding Sutheps protesters in their warning.

I really hope the general doesnt stop now as the PTP are proven liers and may still be secretly building an army and promoting this seperation from thailand.

Since YLs troubles began the North has continuously spoken out for YL to go there and conrol a gov there protected by their supporters.

Written between those invitations were and still are the first hints that if YL gets the boot here she can go there to control things

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[Yunla]

I don't think Yingluck has any interest in division by North/South anyway. She and Thaksin are far more interested in division by wealth, and imho Thaksin is part of the scene that wants to see the wealth division refined into just ruling-class and working-class worldwide, with the aspirational middle classes gradually eroded and pummelled down to join the unfortunate working-classes. None of the ultra-wealthy ruling-classes care about nation borders and the only time they are interested in splitting nations is when there is money to be made from it - which there isn't in Thailand. A fragmented Thailand would drown in higher corruption emanating from the new power centre/s, and would be weaker on many practical administrative levels too. It would be an expensive logistical nightmare, and would create new loopholes where money would go astray even worse than now.

[Bocking]

Hold on, I thought this matter had already been resolved. Didn't I see a report from some eminent professor claiming that

it wasn't really a secession movement, just dyslexia on the part of the PDRC, and that Interior Minister Cahrupong had

'miss-spoken' on stage in Khon Kaen?

Edited March 5, 2014 by Bocking

[PepperMe]

Yingluck is pretending to be 'with the army on this one'. But it has been seen through like all the hollow crap that she mixes herself with.

Up until yesterday she was firmly on the side of the secessionists, and it is very likely her and Thaksin are actually running it. She was definitely enjoying it.

Now that she feels the movement is threatened before it can get its critical mass, she is having to go and personally run to the army to soothe them.

All this disagreeing with the secession movement is what everyone expects, any more silence from her on that particular matter would have blown the whole thing apart, so this latest tactic is nothing more than a stalling maneuver.

I bet the movement is in full swing, but more underground till they get organized.

Anyone heard from the UDD lately? The biggest instigators.

Churapong has also fallen silent, and what happened to the massive red shirt gathering that was to have been in Udon Thani yesterday which also seems to have been been spirited into a dark recess. Khon Kaen was quite a large gathering and this moving rally was meant to pick up more and more momentum, no announcements made as to why it seems to be out of the limelight.

Strange things with all this sudden silence.

If I were Prayuth, I would arrest YL and a list of about 20 other red leaders / UDD leaders / Churapong.

Chalerm was up in Chiang Mai with YL the past weekend, why isn't he in BKK doing his CMPO work? What job is he needed for in Chiang Mai?? Collusion???... Nab him as well, to make sure.

Edit: There would be a MASSIVE and GARGANTUAN vested interest in a separate north for Thaksin and the entire Shinawatras, of course it is their best interests to build a movement like this. They certainly do not want any of the red leaders to be arrested and questioned, it only takes one to get spooked and spill his guts, if you know what I mean?

Edited March 5, 2014 by PepperMe

[Robby nz]

Interesting that she instructed the army and asked the reds,

[ginjag]

She asked the reds to stop MENTIONING the issue ??? does that mean don't talk about it--BUT get on with it ????

Suppose she has been on a spa holiday, not been up for many photo sessions.

[rametindallas]

Red shirts asked to stop promoting separatism: PM Yingluck

Did Madam PM say this with a wink and a nod or is she genuinely sincere? Did she say it because, if she didn't, she could face charges herself? Did the Northern Red Shirts go off-script or is this 'separatist' action at the direction of the Paymaster in Dubai?

Before the meeting, Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul, as chief advisor of the government's Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order, called on Prayuth to deal with "rebels in the capital" in the same way that he had dealt with red shirts in the North who had made a secession call

Did Khun Surapong say this to Gen. Prayuth's face? It is an insult to blatantly suggest that the General has chosen sides and has not treated all sides fairly. Khun Surapong is the highest level diplomat in Thailand; not very diplomatic language he's using. This is not the way to get someone to join your cause. More proof, if any more is needed, that authority is given to those with connections and not merit based. What a toad(y).

[JesseFrank]

PARTITION

Secession-call issue raised at Defence Council meet

The Nation

Caretaker Prime Minister and Defence Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has a meal with top military brass during a Defence Council meeting yesterday.

That face of Yingluck in the picture is worth gold.

Hoo, I don't understand a word of what you're saying, but I ask big bro to explain to me.

[smileydude]

Yingluck is giving the red shirts a lesson in politics 101.

Your not supposed to say out loud what your thinking and never say anything that could stick to you or so help us God should you ever be held accountable for.

Your supposed to slither like an eel and say anything but the truth.

I could picture Thaksin saying " Ai kwai, pood tum mai"

Edited March 5, 2014 by smileydude

[charmonman]

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The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

You would be smiling (if you were a Red Shirt) about the potential breakup of Thailand, at the prospect of violence, and civil war? Yeah I guess if I was a violent extremist, I'd be smiling too.

[northernjohn]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

All they want is a bit of independence for governors and taxes. Hardly ground breaking.

Not even thaksin sees the value in running a land locked bunch of hills.

I missed that article can you point it out.

[northernjohn]

Interesting that she instructed the army and asked the reds,

That's like asking her brother.

[northernjohn]

Didn't they deny this yesterday? I'm sure some of the Thai Rouge posters also tried to blame Suthep?

This little genie might not be so easy to put back in the bottle now.

The red shirt separatists' outright denials had way too many holes and any sort of condemnation has taken too long to believe their is any sincerity in it.

.

I agree! By all rights YL should have charges laid against her as well for supporting this call to secession. She was in the north during this and not once spoke out to stop her parties call to seperate from thailand. As they say " if you are not with me you are against me"

YLs failure to speak out against the REDS call for secession shows she supported it. As with all the PTP lackeys not a single one including YL cared to try to stop this call until the Army put their foot down threatened them.

Now they are all trying to make excuses and denials and YL is still insinuating the Army is biased by not adding Sutheps protesters in their warning.

I really hope the general doesnt stop now as the PTP are proven liers and may still be secretly building an army and promoting this seperation from thailand.

Since YLs troubles began the North has continuously spoken out for YL to go there and conrol a gov there protected by their supporters.

Written between those invitations were and still are the first hints that if YL gets the boot here she can go there to control things

Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Yes very interesting. It takes her days to condemn the separatist movement and even then she has to wait for the army to make the first move. If they had let it ride she would have said nothing. Also she tries to score political points by indicating that the PDRC might be seeking separatism also.

Fact is all they are seeking in the way of separatism is a separation from the Shinawatra led corrupt government to a honest government. Does any one see a problem with that?

[bristolgeoff]

she is a dead man walking in Thailand soon or the brother will be helping her escape the problems

[rebelplatoon]

Ok...... So yesterday it was clearly said that they were NOT and it was misunderstood. And now they are....

[Arjay]

True I believe the PM has a double standard. Now with out cessation where is her support now? Finally the army can lock up these crazy fools talking separation.

[bigbamboo]

BB must be worried for her to come out and say this. The Republic of Isan Lanna would be no more influential in ASEAN on it's own than Laos and he knows it. And there is always the possibility that the rest of Thailand might actually be in favour of a separate redshirt state as well and that is not in the Shinawat's script.

Edited March 5, 2014 by bigbamboo

[gabruce]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

All they want is a bit of independence for governors and taxes. Hardly ground breaking.

Not even thaksin sees the value in running a land locked bunch of hills.

from that perspective they should be supporting (at least partialy) the anti-government reform calls as that's one of their main reform points - elect governors and more local governance

[SICHONSTEVE]

The reaction to pressing the "secession" button was interesting. If I were a redshirt, I'd be smiling at the panic caused to the oligarchy. Call it "autonomy" and figure out a proper strategy for the future. Some form of semi-autonomy may well be the price of peace.

No country has rules of secession written down as it undermines the nation state. There are many areas of the world that would be happier being liberated from their big brother - often with valid historical reasons.

This would also not be the first time that the Thai army has had to go and quell discontent up north; indeed, Chavalit was Commander-in-Chief the last time the army put down communist insurgents.

All they want is a bit of independence for governors and taxes. Hardly ground breaking.

Not even thaksin sees the value in running a land locked bunch of hills.

If it is as simple and harmless as you imply........then why are 10 million pistols needed to accomplish this???

[Mosha]

Governors and taxes? The rest of the country might have gone along with them being self financing.

[than]

I don't understand, Yesterday Surapong said Reds never talk to separate now the premier ask them to call for this, I'm very disturbing.....

[Baerboxer]

I don't understand, Yesterday Surapong said Reds never talk to separate now the premier ask them to call for this, I'm very disturbing.....

Yep. That's the problem when you have so many people telling so many lies and changing the spin script too often. You get lots of contradictions!

Took them several days of secret discussions and no doubt frantic Skyping to come up with the latest shambles. One day deny it, say it was all a mistake, misunderstood, and the next ask them to stop doing - what you were denying they did the day before.

The public admission by the caretaker PM/DM that certain red shirt leaders and ministers were supporting the idea of separating the kingdom, an offence under the constitution will no doubt be used as evidence at their trials for treason.

The caretaker vows this and promises that so often - how many are ever kept?

The caretaker DPM,FM, Adviser to CMPO, and cousin number 1 seems not to understand the difference between a peaceful (largely except when attacked) protest calling for the resignation of a caretaker regime facing massive corruption probes and that has acted illegally and an armed terrorist movement threatening to mobilize large forces and orchestrate an armed rebellion to break up the country. Easy to confuse them I suppose!