Terror probe over missing Malaysia Airlines jet

[culicine]

OK guys, terrorism or fatal technical problem BUT where is this aircraft ???

If it was dived to the shore could be found already the signal of emergency radio-marker.

If it was crashed to the water must to be many parts on the surface with kerosine.

If it was burst in the air also must to be many many parts in a huge place.

So, where is it?

RIP for passengers and crew they are dead already. Hope they got very quick die.

How long would human survival be from a 35000ft release. ?

without a parachute ,not long

you cant jump out at 35,000ft anyway ,even if everyone had a parachute

You would freeze to death within seconds, not to mention total decompression. Fortunately death would come fast if the plane disintegrated mid air.

[oldsailor35]

Thai government should actually do something about this culture of taking foreigners passport to rent a $500 motorbike its ridiculous. But we all know nothing will be done. In the 20 years of going to Thailand and renting MB's I have never lost my passport its best to sus out the person ask them if it will be locked up etc its all you can do. I wouldn't give anything to those cu*** on beach road try other smaller places preferably if your guest house rents them out its better than someone on the street.

nobody forces you to rent these bikes

when i go to pattaya i usually rent a ducatti

its a 400,000 thb bike and if i crash it i get the bill

if i KNOWINGLY enter such a deal i dont get to complain later

i could have walked around with passport in pocket but i CHOSE not to

the company have no comeback if if i crash that 400k bike into a 2 million thb car

and insurance pays 60% if even so all they can do is restrict my leaving thailand

by not having a passport until i honour my part of the deal and pay the bill if a crash happens

I would "never" give my passport to anybody. If they demand it, i offer a photo copy. That is sufficient, they can take that to police to get me stopped . If that is not good enough .........Too bloody bad, no deal. Only a careless fool hands over his/her PP to unknowns.

leaving them a photocopy doesnt prevent you skiping into cambodia or failing to return the vehicle

or paying if you total it

keeping your passport is more effective for the companys perspective

Yes you are correct,but you are traceable, are'nt you.

[speedtripler]

Yes you are correct,but you are traceable, are'nt you.

traceable doesnt mean the same thing in thailand as it means everywhere else ,

everyone knows the BIB are useless and uninterested unless theyrye gettting some cash

ive never heard of a person being extradited to thailand for less than a murder and even that took years

[NeverSure]

I guess this is a little bit on topic since the passports were stolen in Thailand and tickets bought in Thailand. I have never had Hertz or Avis do more than copy part of my passport. I would never give a rental place my passport nor have I been asked. I would consider any rental agency that insisted on my passport suspect and would walk out.

My experience all over the world with Hertz and Avis is that you can't rent a car without a credit card, either.

[speedtripler]

We saw already the photo of Luigi Maraldi.But they show somewhere the photo of the Austrian man?

hes probably as white as snow ,not sure how they didnt notice hes asian or even black as more recent reports state

seems like malaysia is releasing the info incredibly slowly and the search is possibly being conducted in the wrong areas

or even purposely mislead

usa satellite images have not shown any explosion apparently so maybe no news is good news as far as the passengers still

being alive somewhere

[speedtripler]

We saw already the photo of Luigi Maraldi.But they show somewhere the photo of the Austrian man?

hes probably as white as snow ,not sure how they didnt notice hes asian or even black as more recent reports state

seems like malaysia is releasing the info incredibly slowly and the search is possibly being conducted in the wrong areas

or even purposely mislead

usa satellite images have not shown any explosion apparently so maybe no news is good news as far as the passengers still

being alive somewhere

Correct:but we know how is look like the real Austrian man?

ive been to austria and most people were white but of course there must be at least some who are black

[speedtripler]

They show the italian man in few hours.....why after days we never saw the real face of the Austrian?I dont know if is black or yellow(ndr...Ballotteli is completely black but plays for Italian National football team):i just wonder why we didn't see him yet.

i think they found the italian guy on facebook and used his profile pic from there and he was photograhed with thai police

as well

maybe the other guy hasnt been photograhed yet or doesnt use social media much ,i dont use facebook anymore and i know

several others who have deleted their profiles as well

[Basil B]

OK guys, terrorism or fatal technical problem BUT where is this aircraft ???

If it was dived to the shore could be found already the signal of emergency radio-marker.

If it was crashed to the water must to be many parts on the surface with kerosine.

If it was burst in the air also must to be many many parts in a huge place.

So, where is it?

RIP for passengers and crew they are dead already. Hope they got very quick die.

How long would human survival be from a 35000ft release. ?

A rapid decompression at that altitude

Firstly I can hold my breath for over a minute, but with the sudden air pressure going from 6000ft to over 35,0000ft altitude virtually instantaneously, this is going to do a lot of damage to the human body, "barotrauma" The ear drums wound almost certainly burst, also the lungs would also suffer excessive trauma also the air temperature will drop to temperatures never experienced by most people.

firstly anything not bolted down will end up flying around the cabin, any moisture in the air will mist as the air temperature drops, as your ears burst you will suffer excruciating pain: to add to that your lungs will burst, and nitrogen in the blood will start to bubble up at the joints causing even more pain, but this will not last long, you probably will not even have time to workout what happened before you slip into unconsciousness. the rest you will not know about.

[Noi657]

OK guys, terrorism or fatal technical problem BUT where is this aircraft ???

If it was dived to the shore could be found already the signal of emergency radio-marker.

If it was crashed to the water must to be many parts on the surface with kerosine.

If it was burst in the air also must to be many many parts in a huge place.

So, where is it?

RIP for passengers and crew they are dead already. Hope they got very quick die.

How long would human survival be from a 35000ft release. ?

A rapid decompression at that altitude

Firstly I can hold my breath for over a minute, but with the sudden air pressure going from 6000ft to over 35,0000ft altitude virtually instantaneously, this is going to do a lot of damage to the human body, "barotrauma" The ear drums wound almost certainly burst, also the lungs would also suffer excessive trauma also the air temperature will drop to temperatures never experienced by most people.

firstly anything not bolted down will end up flying around the cabin, any moisture in the air will mist as the air temperature drops, as your ears burst you will suffer excruciating pain: to add to that your lungs will burst, and nitrogen in the blood will start to bubble up at the joints causing even more pain, but this will not last long, you probably will not even have time to workout what happened before you slip into unconsciousness. the rest you will not know about.

What a lovely thought!!

I'm sorry but does anyone else get the feeling of a mass cover up starting to emerge!!

[speedtripler]

OK guys, terrorism or fatal technical problem BUT where is this aircraft ???

If it was dived to the shore could be found already the signal of emergency radio-marker.

If it was crashed to the water must to be many parts on the surface with kerosine.

If it was burst in the air also must to be many many parts in a huge place.

So, where is it?

RIP for passengers and crew they are dead already. Hope they got very quick die.

How long would human survival be from a 35000ft release. ?

A rapid decompression at that altitude

Firstly I can hold my breath for over a minute, but with the sudden air pressure going from 6000ft to over 35,0000ft altitude virtually instantaneously, this is going to do a lot of damage to the human body, "barotrauma" The ear drums wound almost certainly burst, also the lungs would also suffer excessive trauma also the air temperature will drop to temperatures never experienced by most people.

firstly anything not bolted down will end up flying around the cabin, any moisture in the air will mist as the air temperature drops, as your ears burst you will suffer excruciating pain: to add to that your lungs will burst, and nitrogen in the blood will start to bubble up at the joints causing even more pain, but this will not last long, you probably will not even have time to workout what happened before you slip into unconsciousness. the rest you will not know about.

What a lovely thought!!

I'm sorry but does anyone else get the feeling of a mass cover up starting to emerge!!

its nearly as bad as 9/11 firefighters who claimed the buildings was taken down by in a controlled demolition by explosions on

every floor and bombs were going off in the basement ,liquid steel was flowing like water 73 floors away the impact .......

it will be very interesting to see where this plane eventually turns up ..........

[Thai at Heart]

It strikes me as absolutely incredible that the immigration officers who checked these 2 particular passports at KUL departures were apparently unable to determine for some reason or other that they were included in the Interpol database of lost or stolen travel documents

(http://www.interpol.int/INTERPOL-expertise/Databases) through swiping the data pages through their scanners, as seems to be the standard practice worldwide nowadays.

That said, every database is, of course, only as useful as the information fed into it. Had neither passport yet been entered into the Interpol database by immigration officials here in Thailand where they had been stolen, this strikes me as utterly inexcusable, particularly in the case of the passport stolen 18 months ago. Clearly immigration officials worldwide (and not just here in Thailand) may need to sharpen up their act to ensure that stolen passports are now recorded on the Interpol database with the absolute minimum delay.

AFAIK airline check-in staff dont have access to scanners as used by immigration officers, so it would be all but impossible for them to determine on the basis of a cursory visual inspection whether or not a particular passport was stolen. However, I do believe there now to be a strong case for airline check-in staff also to be provided with these scanners, in order to reassure the travelling public on a belt-and-braces basis.

Finally, it has struck me for some time as highly ironic in the post 9/11 era that there are no longer any immigration passport checks at UK or USA airport departures, seemingly for purely economic reasons! Hopefully these days are now numbered following this tragic incident.

How do you know they ever entered or exited immigration at kl.

They could have transited there having exited via svb or phuket.

[moonray]

They show the italian man in few hours.....why after days we never saw the real face of the Austrian?I dont know if is black or yellow(ndr...Ballotteli is completely black but plays for Italian National football team):i just wonder why we didn't see him yet.

i think they found the italian guy on facebook and used his profile pic from there and he was photograhed with thai police

as well

maybe the other guy hasnt been photograhed yet or doesnt use social media much ,i dont use facebook anymore and i know

several others who have deleted their profiles as well

Correct again:but Maraldi calls the family and him and the father make a statement about the situation.We dont hear anythong from the other guy,neither from the local police in Austria....why?

Mate! - you have just made 3 posts about this Austrian man!? are you missing him?

do you have something personal about him?Why don't you call him yourself?calls to Austria are 8B/min only.But better - just FoxtrotOscar!

[Exsexyman]

This is a guess but with reason. If it where a terrorist plot then I think we would already know. Terrorists want everyone to know what they are doing when they do it not just guess, Either with spectacular crashes or hostage taking. There is no sign of either . I am going to guess mechanical problems led to this. Structural failure.We will see Eventually they will find the plane

Gadaffi did'nt tell the world when they did the Lockerbie bombing, it took ages of painstaking investigation. So i would'nt hold your breath on this one.

Gadaffi and Libya weren't responsible for the Lockerbie bombings. Do some research. Start with Jim Swire, the father of one of the victims, who has refused to take the money from Libya. He has spent the rest of his life investigating it. Stop believing everything your government tells you, they have an agenda. Painstaking investigation? Please! Why do you think Al-Megrahi was allowed to go back to Libya to die before his appeal, which would have certainly found him innocent. Look a bit closer to home, starting with Oliver North and The Mossad.

[MAJIC]

Time to check all pictures on the passports of the passenger’s and compare with the CCTV and see who not fit in.

Then publish the pictures in media and find out the name of the 2 ghosts.

After that I think we can have an idea if they are false immigrants or terrorists

The Malaysian Authorities are playing this down BIG TIME

Well the lawsuits that will come will be much more massive and a hit to national pride and tourism,

of there is obvious negligence involved. So play it down as much a possible; face and cash must be saved.

"face and cash must be saved" and is the name of the game!

[speedtripler]

Time to check all pictures on the passports of the passenger’s and compare with the CCTV and see who not fit in.

Then publish the pictures in media and find out the name of the 2 ghosts.

After that I think we can have an idea if they are false immigrants or terrorists

The Malaysian Authorities are playing this down BIG TIME

Well the lawsuits that will come will be much more massive and a hit to national pride and tourism,

of there is obvious negligence involved. So play it down as much a possible; face and cash must be saved.

"face and cash must be saved" and is the name of the game!

they probably have the best lawyers in malaysia advising them already ..........

[OMGImInPattaya]

Thai government should actually do something about this culture of taking foreigners passport to rent a $500 motorbike its ridiculous. But we all know nothing will be done. In the 20 years of going to Thailand and renting MB's I have never lost my passport its best to sus out the person ask them if it will be locked up etc its all you can do. I wouldn't give anything to those cu*** on beach road try other smaller places preferably if your guest house rents them out its better than someone on the street.

I've rented motos dozens of time in Pattaya, Phuket, Samui, and Tao, and never once gave them my passport. Most didnt request it and if they did i said no. If they want a copy fine but never my passport.

try to rent a car

Same. You need to start renting for legit sources and not rinky-dink operators.

[draftvader]

@CNBCWorld, Malaysian authorities have indefinitely postponed news conferences on the search for flight MH370

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2014/03/11/per-cnbcworld-malaysian-authorities-have-indefin/

[OMGImInPattaya]

@CNBCWorld, Malaysian authorities have indefinitely postponed news conferences on the search for flight MH370

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2014/03/11/per-cnbcworld-malaysian-authorities-have-indefin/

How's your Kleenex supply holding out?

[hawker9000]

This is a guess but with reason. If it where a terrorist plot then I think we would already know. Terrorists want everyone to know what they are doing when they do it not just guess, Either with spectacular crashes or hostage taking. There is no sign of either . I am going to guess mechanical problems led to this. Structural failure.We will see Eventually they will find the plane

Gadaffi did'nt tell the world when they did the Lockerbie bombing, it took ages of painstaking investigation. So i would'nt hold your breath on this one.

Gadaffi and Libya weren't responsible for the Lockerbie bombings. Do some research. Start with Jim Swire, the father of one of the victims, who has refused to take the money from Libya. He has spent the rest of his life investigating it. Stop believing everything your government tells you, they have an agenda. Painstaking investigation? Please! Why do you think Al-Megrahi was allowed to go back to Libya to die before his appeal, which would have certainly found him innocent. Look a bit closer to home, starting with Oliver North and The Mossad.

Oh, please.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

First we had Phuket, then Pattaya, and now apparently Iran:

Report: Iranian man booked tickets used by fake passport-carrying passengers, travel agent tells Financial Times - @NBCNews

The claim below that originally the two men traveling on fake passports were booked on separate flights, and not with Malaysia Air, kind of suggests this wasn't a terrorist thing, but rather, some other kind of shady enterprise -- at least in terms of the two guys flying on fake passports.

Iranian Bought Tickets For Fake Passport Passengers: Report

By Henry Austin

The tickets used by the fake passport carrying passengers aboard the missing Air Malaysia Flight 370 bought their tickets through a travel agency in Pattaya, Thailand, according to a report in a British newspaper.

The tickets were booked through an Iranian middleman known as “Mr Ali” a Thai travel agent told the Financial Times newspaper (registration required).

The newspaper quoted Benjaporn Krutnait, owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency in Pattaya, as saying the Iranian had asked her to book the two men to travel to Europe on March 1, specifying only that she find them cheap tickets.

She initially booked them on two separate flights -– one on Qatar Airways and another on Etihad airline –- but the tickets expired before she heard again from the Iranian, she said.

Sakchai Lalit / AP

Thai police talk to a staff member of Grand Horizon Travel in Pattaya, Thailand, on Monday. Thai police said owners of the travel agency told them they booked two men aboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 who were later discovered to have been using stolen passports.

After he contacted her on Thursday, she rebooked the men on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight, though the Iranian again did not specify a flight. This time a friend of the Iranian paid in cash, she said. Benjaporn then arranged for a larger agency, Six Stars Travel, to issue the tickets, according to Thai police.

NBC News was not immediately able to contact Benjaporn to confirm the account.

The Financial Times said it was unable to reach “Mr Ali” via a cellphone number provided by Benjaporn.

Benjaporn said that she had known “Mr Ali” for about three years, when her periodically stayed in in Pattaya. The newspaper noted that there is no evidence that the Iranian knew the two men were traveling on stolen passports.

The regular traveler between Tehran and Pattaya had been using her agency for about three years, she said, although there is nothing to suggest that he knew the two men were imposters.

First published March 10th 2014, 11:42 pm

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/iranian-bought-tickets-fake-passport-passengers-report-n49016

Edited March 11, 2014 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[exalll]

This is a guess but with reason. If it where a terrorist plot then I think we would already know. Terrorists want everyone to know what they are doing when they do it not just guess, Either with spectacular crashes or hostage taking. There is no sign of either . I am going to guess mechanical problems led to this. Structural failure.We will see Eventually they will find the plane

Gadaffi did'nt tell the world when they did the Lockerbie bombing, it took ages of painstaking investigation. So i would'nt hold your breath on this one.

Gadaffi and Libya weren't responsible for the Lockerbie bombings. Do some research. Start with Jim Swire, the father of one of the victims, who has refused to take the money from Libya. He has spent the rest of his life investigating it. Stop believing everything your government tells you, they have an agenda. Painstaking investigation? Please! Why do you think Al-Megrahi was allowed to go back to Libya to die before his appeal, which would have certainly found him innocent. Look a bit closer to home, starting with Oliver North and The Mossad.

It doesn't matter whether it was Libya, Mossad, the CIA, or the Newton Poppleford Cricket Team that was responsible for Lockerbie, the point is that no-one claimed responsibility, so the lack of any claims in this case does not mean it is not terrorism.

[ZAKY]

The plane vanished completely with no traces. It was itself a big balloon at 35k altitude with much pressure inside exceeding outside, if there was a fire, the stock of oxygen for about 450 passengers in case of emergency depressurisation could have largely contribute to burnt all inflammables. Even the seats are specially made as floaters and of non-flammable material but with the great heat, i think nothing would have resisted. Any bits,pieces and ashes would have dissapeared by the time the first rescue boat reach the spot after 12 hours the boeing dissapeared from the radar screen

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[Guest]

Look..i just quote and answer with another user.Try to do more helpful posts instead that unusefull you have done.Thanks.And yes.i concern why this Austrian not yet speak to the press like the italian....

You can ask yourself, would you go to press to claim your 15 minutes of fame given the circumstances?

Personally I think that the Italian man smiling and giggling with the BiB on the press conference.. did not give the best impression of the human race.

[Guest]

i give you that Oilinki.But the italian police went to the father's home and thats was reported from international news and not from local italian news.Wht we don't hear nothing from Austrian authorities?

My impression of the Austrians is that they have tendency to work in very professional way. They are likely co-operating with the investigation, but do not leak irrelevant information to the press. Therefore protecting the privacy of their citizens.

[deepcell]

Not Joke! The series LOST is back!

[speedtripler]

The plane vanished completely with no traces. It was itself a big balloon at 35k altitude with much pressure inside exceeding outside, if there was a fire, the stock of oxygen for about 450 passengers in case of emergency depressurisation could have largely contribute to burnt all inflammables. Even the seats are specially made as floaters and of non-flammable material but with the great heat, i think nothing would have resisted. Any bits,pieces and ashes would have dissapeared by the time the first rescue boat reach the spot after 12 hours the boeing dissapeared from the radar screen

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if it burst into flames at 35,000 travelling at 500 miles an hour the heat would all be directed backwards and it would just be a flash

of ignited jetfuel and the plane missing wings would drop like a stone and smash to bits when it hit land or sea

not long enough to burn everything to ashes ,and many parts if the fusilage wouldnt burn anyway and would be found later like on all other

bombed flights

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Noble from Interpol is in the news today, saying the latest information re the Iranian imposters onboard makes Interpol think they were not involved in terrorist stuff, more likely attempted illegal immigration. But that still doesn't explain where the plane is or what happened to it.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The U.S. and the UK are, as countries, the two biggest users of the Interpol lost-stolen passports database, in terms of the numbers of searches done.

It has been clearly explained that it's only the government authorities in various countries -- not the airline staffs -- that have the ability to query that Interpol database.

But I haven't seen any good explanation of why the many countries that apparently don't use the Interpol database in checking would-be international travelers don't??? Thailand doesn't. Malaysia doesn't. But I haven't seen anyone explaining why they don't or can't???

[ZAKY]

Interpol, FBI, Boeing or whoever are not being able to explain how the plane vanished for the simple reason that this is a rare case, we have been used to hear airplanes crashes during landing, take-off and taxi or on some altitudes where the plane has time to descend but in this particular case it was at 35k feet high cruising at 900+ km/h, the cabin pressurized at a height where the pressure inside exceeded largely outside. The stock of emergency oxygen supply should have been enough for 450 passengers, this could have contributed to boost fire/explosion, there is also that moving that fast the debris speed would have continued to travel to a certain speed spreading over the sea.

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[Guest]

The U.S. and the UK are, as countries, the two biggest users of the Interpol lost-stolen passports database, in terms of the numbers of searches done.

It has been clearly explained that it's only the government authorities in various countries -- not the airline staffs -- that have the ability to query that Interpol database.

But I haven't seen any good explanation of why the many countries that apparently don't use the Interpol database in checking would-be international travelers don't??? Thailand doesn't. Malaysia doesn't. But I haven't seen anyone explaining why they don't or can't???

To make the system effective, the airline checking/ticketing systems need to be connected to the local government system, which then will do the queries to the Interpol database. These system integrations costs money and effort. There has to be procedures in cases that there is technical errors. etc. etc.

Government owned (ability to do the queries to the Interpol database) immigration is easy to circumvent by using two passports (one authentic, one fake), two onward tickets (first to be used, second will be no-go).