why can't one send a UK passport back to relatives in the UK...

[TerryLH]

"I've never actually seen that law."

"Can you tell me where it's at so I can look at it?"

"Clearly the British Embassy has been feasting on "bar stool lawyer talk""

"Best you read this and then tell them they are mistaken !"

I am interested in looking at the actual law. You could have just said that you don't know where it's at.

Thanks for trying, though.

Terry

[Maestro]

There have been several threads, one quite recently, about the "law" requiring foreigners always to have the passport with them, ie to be able to show it immediately when asked for it by police. The conclusion is always the same: there in no such law, but the police has the right to detain a foreigner until somebody can bring his passport to the police station. Since the police cannot hold a suspect indefinitely without a court order, they can file charges of suspected overstaying as per Section 81 of the Immigration Act:

Section 81 : Any alien who stay in the Kingdom without permission or with

permission expired or revoked shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding

two years or a fine not exceeding 20,000 Baht or both.

It is a simple and straight-forward procedure.

Now, let's get back on topic, the topic being the obtention of a new UK passport by sending the current passport from Thailand to relatives in the UK.

[angsta]

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Presumably the OP needs to get his passport renewed in April because it's nearly run out. As something to be born in mind in future it's possible to renew a UK passport up to 9 months in advance with those extra months being added onto the validity of the new passport e.g if you renewed passport 6 months in advance your new one would be valid for 10 years and 6 months. You can renew them even earlier but you'll only get 9 months extra.

Ah ------------but this introduces the evil concept of personal responsibility.

You are , of course, correct.

Run out of pages. It's less than 4 years old but I travel a great deal.

[Baerboxer]

I think there is a rule that you must be in he country in which you are applying from; and that the passport will also only be sent to an address in the country you applied from.

Anyway what would you gain? You can DHL to UK passport office and they will DHL back to you in Thailand. My last one took 2 weeks, my daughters 4 weeks.

What are you trying to achieve by involving your relatives?

[angsta]

I want to be in control of where in Thailand it is sent to.

I also have an issue getting confirmation of my address.

[Soutpeel]

I want to be in control of where in Thailand it is sent to.

I also have an issue getting confirmation of my address.

Why would you go through all this hassle unless of course you don't want your thai address on record with authorities in the UK ?

[angsta]

I want to be in control of where in Thailand it is sent to.

I also have an issue getting confirmation of my address.

Why would you go through all this hassle unless of course you don't want your thai address on record with authorities in the UK ?

Paranoid. Somebody has spent too much time on the internet. You're American? My real name is Ed Snowdon, please don't tell anyone

Because I am moving. It really isn't sinister in any way, shape or form. Getting address ID is a real pain in the ass. My bank accounts were set up in different Thai cities to the one I am now living in and don't have address details anyway apart from one in Chiang Mai. My landlord has his name on all the bills. My tax forms don't have my address details just my name although the list doesn't include banks anyway. Same for my visa,my medical card, immigration documents? I am not retired. I don't vote and I am not dead. I have not be baptized here or named.

You see my issue?

[Soutpeel]

I want to be in control of where in Thailand it is sent to.

I also have an issue getting confirmation of my address.

Why would you go through all this hassle unless of course you don't want your thai address on record with authorities in the UK ?

Paranoid. Somebody has spent too much time on the internet. You're American? My real name is Ed Snowdon, please don't tell anyone

Because I am moving. It really isn't sinister in any way, shape or form. Getting address ID is a real pain in the ass. My bank accounts were set up in different Thai cities to the one I am now living in and don't have address details anyway apart from one in Chiang Mai. My landlord has his name on all the bills. My tax forms don't have my address details just my name although the list doesn't include banks anyway. Same for my visa,my medical card, immigration documents? I am not retired. I don't vote and I am not dead. I have not be baptized here or named.

You see my issue?

Nope not american, not paranoid and still don't see your issue

[thepool]

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I want to be in control of where in Thailand it is sent to.

I also have an issue getting confirmation of my address.

Why would you go through all this hassle unless of course you don't want your thai address on record with authorities in the UK ?

Paranoid. Somebody has spent too much time on the internet. You're American? My real name is Ed Snowdon, please don't tell anyone

Because I am moving. It really isn't sinister in any way, shape or form. Getting address ID is a real pain in the ass. My bank accounts were set up in different Thai cities to the one I am now living in and don't have address details anyway apart from one in Chiang Mai. My landlord has his name on all the bills. My tax forms don't have my address details just my name although the list doesn't include banks anyway. Same for my visa,my medical card, immigration documents? I am not retired. I don't vote and I am not dead. I have not be baptized here or named.

You see my issue?

Nope not american, not paranoid and still don't see your issue

Living an organised life does help!

I have no problems in securing a proof of address.

[angsta]

You don't see my issue?

I am all ears. How would organizing my life help me securing proof of my address taking into account that bank statements are not acceptable.

What would you do it that I could replicate?

[Soutpeel]

You don't see my issue?

I am all ears. How would organizing my life help me securing proof of my address taking into account that bank statements are not acceptable.

What would you do it that I could replicate?

Certificate of residence from immigration is one, your working here certified translation of your WP is another

Driving licence is another if you have one

[anon11]

Think about it.......in mos countries you are not allowed to send a passport with you name on it via post whatever the fact is the passport is not yours it belongs to the country you are from who supplied the passport, look on the inside it will state that clearly.

if someone else gets your passport

ummm that was easy

[thepool]

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Think about it.......in mos countries you are not allowed to send a passport with you name on it via post whatever the fact is the passport is not yours it belongs to the country you are from who supplied the passport, look on the inside it will state that clearly.

if someone else gets your passport

ummm that was easy

There are valid and legitimate reasons for posting a passport. It would however be foolish to post a valuable document other than by a secure postal service or via a courier service

[ubonjoe]

Think about it.......in mos countries you are not allowed to send a passport with you name on it via post whatever the fact is the passport is not yours it belongs to the country you are from who supplied the passport, look on the inside it will state that clearly.

if someone else gets your passport

ummm that was easy

I don't think any country that has such a law that says you cannot send a passport by post, courier or whatever means.

[Mister Fixit]

Because you'll have no stamp out on your old passport and no stamp in on your new passport.

Questions will be asked and you may be jailed for contravening some regulation or other.

Don't do it.

[TerryLH]

"Because you'll have no stamp out on your old passport and no stamp in on your new passport."

Exactly what are the stamps for? To show you exiting and entering countries, or for your passport exiting and entering?

My old passport doesn't have an exit stamp in it. New passport - no entry stamp.

"Questions will be asked..."

Q: Your passports don't have exit / entry stamps.

A: I have a new passport, and haven't left the country.

"...and you may be jailed for contravening some regulation or other."

What regulation or other would that be?

New visas and new passports are not the same.

[angsta]

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Think about it.......in mos countries you are not allowed to send a passport with you name on it via post whatever the fact is the passport is not yours it belongs to the country you are from who supplied the passport, look on the inside it will state that clearly.

if someone else gets your passport

ummm that was easy

I wasn't going to give it to a Nigerian on lower Suk who just happened to be visiting friends back in the UK. DHL and EMS have this service...

Because you'll have no stamp out on your old passport and no stamp in on your new passport.

Questions will be asked and you may be jailed for contravening some regulation or other.

Don't do it.

What questions and which law? Jail?? Really

Worst case scenario is no new passport. Has anyone actually tried to do it?

[wolf5370]

Think about it.......in mos countries you are not allowed to send a passport with you name on it via post whatever the fact is the passport is not yours it belongs to the country you are from who supplied the passport, look on the inside it will state that clearly.

if someone else gets your passport

ummm that was easy

The majority by far of passport renewals in the UK (which is what we are talking about) are done by post - that involves sending the passport and other original documents like birth certs, marriage certs, nationalisation certs etc. The post offices in the UK even have a passport form service where they do the checking of the form and document authentication, BEFORE posting out the form and passport to be renewed! It what comes of having an efficient and safe postal service (if not exactly cheap) - it is also what registered/recorded mail is designed for.

[Soutpeel]

Think about it.......in mos countries you are not allowed to send a passport with you name on it via post whatever the fact is the passport is not yours it belongs to the country you are from who supplied the passport, look on the inside it will state that clearly.

if someone else gets your passport

ummm that was easy

The majority by far of passport renewals in the UK (which is what we are talking about) are done by post - that involves sending the passport and other original documents like birth certs, marriage certs, nationalisation certs etc. The post offices in the UK even have a passport form service where they do the checking of the form and document authentication, BEFORE posting out the form and passport to be renewed! It what comes of having an efficient and safe postal service (if not exactly cheap) - it is also what registered/recorded mail is designed for.

OK this all makes sense, but what happens, if the OP posts his PP back to the UK, he stays in Thailand, and the PP office notice there is no departure stamp from Thailand in the PP and conclude the OP is still in Thailand and his PP has made a little trip on its own, isnt there some rule about being in the same country your applying from ?

[wolf5370]

Think about it.......in mos countries you are not allowed to send a passport with you name on it via post whatever the fact is the passport is not yours it belongs to the country you are from who supplied the passport, look on the inside it will state that clearly.

if someone else gets your passport

ummm that was easy

The majority by far of passport renewals in the UK (which is what we are talking about) are done by post - that involves sending the passport and other original documents like birth certs, marriage certs, nationalisation certs etc. The post offices in the UK even have a passport form service where they do the checking of the form and document authentication, BEFORE posting out the form and passport to be renewed! It what comes of having an efficient and safe postal service (if not exactly cheap) - it is also what registered/recorded mail is designed for.

OK this all makes sense, but what happens, if the OP posts his PP back to the UK, he stays in Thailand, and the PP office notice there is no departure stamp from Thailand in the PP and conclude the OP is still in Thailand and his PP has made a little trip on its own, isnt there some rule about being in the same country your applying from ?

Yes. The form actually has a check box on it to declare that the application has been made from the UK. So, in realistic, legally speaking, it is perjury to complete the form and check the box when it is not so. However, I doubt the passport agency is going to put much store in entry/exit stamp matchups from other countries - some countries are pretty lax about it (Thailand is not one though - other than for Thai passports). If they are suspicious they will phone to check - which could end up in it being reject I guess if they cannot ascertain that the person is indeed in the UK (because they cannot get an answer) - they may also call the signatory (which UK passports need) and that will put them in a position of perjury or coming clean.

//Edit: Just to add - as above I sent my children's passports back to the UK to be renewed (their mother is in the UK at the moment, so we can use a real address there anyway) - as they are dual national, they have no Thai entry/exit stamps in their British passports - and no exit stamps from the UK either as they don't bother. They only have ones from other countries we have visited.

[angsta]

Surely somebody has done this and can speak from experience?

[moe666]

In the final analyst no one should be without their passport it is issued for a reason. You have to decide if that is what you want to do why not just renew it thru regular channels. Just bite the bullet and have it sent to your Embassy for personal pickup, problem solved.