Thai opinion: Staring into the eye of savagery

[gandalf12]

If they want to act in such a barbaric way then sentence them accordingly. If they want to be barbaric then they must expect to be treated in a similar manner

[ggold]

Wow, talk about a fevered anti-Red Shirt diatribe...I am not sure of the specifics of this case, but the frenzied, zealous and inflamed rhetoric of this article clearly is over the top.....A classic case of "Me thinks he protests too much".

This article delves into historical events to contextualization them in support of its' basic intentions to diabolize and villify the UDD/RS's, so it is not off-topic to do likewise.

Even invoking one of the 2010 R'song protest actions, and ignoring the coupist provocations of negating their votes and another one of their selected Govts. As if these protesters were anarchic, acting out in a political vacuum, and totally unprovoked...Just bad, bad people basically.

In this instance, one-sidedly referencing when protesters sought to determine of there were snipers in that bastion of PAD-Dem, anti-protest location of Chulalongkorn Hospital. Everyone knows the hatred of the medical establishment had for Thaksin, and by extension, for those protesters..........That protest was a conflict between a coup-rooted administration and those opposed, and this hospital administration was an element of one side......same as currently. I am told Chulalongkorn University is the nerve center for the coup-mongers, providing comfort and material support to them using the Universities considerable resources. Even involving something called a 'war room'.

Jumping on some isolated events as in this article to demonize the Red Shirts while ignoring many excesses of the current coup-mongers and their extremist actions, is seen for what it is......This writer could just as easily have written such a heated and frenzied article about any number of coup-monger actions of late, but those are deep-sixed for the most part.For example, torturing a guy for several days, then tying a guy's hands and feet and throwing him over a bridge, or Popcorn guys firing at unarmed people....No savagery there? Those are but two examples among many.

give it up you're attempts at twisting things around is getting more and more pathetic.

[LeeCraker]

Barbarianism has three levels - lower, middle and upper. Only after having passing through all three levels are humans deemed to have crossed the threshold into civilisation

And just when did this transition from Barbarianism to Civilization take place?

Timeline of Wars - before 1BC

1274 BC Battle of Kadesh

1046 BC Shang-Zhou War in China.

580 BC - 265 BC Greek Punic Wars

499 BC - 448 BC Persian Wars

431 BC - 404 BC Peloponnesian War

395 BC - 387 BC Corinthian War

343 BC - 290 BC Samnite Wars between Rome and Samnium

334 BC - 323 BC Wars of Alexander the Great

274 BC - 200 BC Syrian Wars

264 BC - 146 BC Punic Wars between Rome and Carthage

215 BC - 168 BC Macedonian Wars

205 BC - 201 BC Cretan War

191 BC - 188 BC Roman-Syrian War

135 BC - 71 BC Roman Servile Wars

89 BC - 63 BC Mithridatic Wars

58 BC - 50 BC Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars

55 BC - 54 BC Julius Caesar's Roman invasion of Britain

53 BC - 51 BC Parthian War of Marcus Licinius Crassus

49 BC - 45 BC Caesar's civil war

44 BC - 30 BC Roman Civil War

34 BC-22 BC Chinese War

Timeline of Wars - AD 1 - 999

43 96 Roman conquest of Britain

60 61 Boudica's Uprising

184 205 Yellow Turban Rebellion

533 534 Vandal War

772 804 Saxon Wars

Timeline of Wars - AD 1 - 1199

1066 1088 Norman conquest of England

1096 1099 First Crusade

1145 1149 Second Crusade

1189 1192 Third Crusade

Timeline of Wars - 1200 - 1299

1202 1204 Fourth Crusade

1206 1324 Mongol wars and conquests

1213 1221 Fifth Crusade

1215 1217 First Barons' War (England)

1248 1254 Seventh Crusade

1270 1270 Eighth Crusade

1271 1272 Ninth Crusade

1296 1328 First War of Scottish Independence

Timeline of Wars - 1300 - 1399

1323 1328 Peasant revolt in Flanders

1326 1332 Polish–Teutonic War

1337 1453 Hundred Years' War

Timeline of Wars - 1400 - 1499

1419 1434 Hussite Wars

1425 1454 Wars in Lombardy

1454 1466 Thirteen Years' War

1455 1485 Wars of the Roses

Timeline of Wars - 1500 - 1599

1509 1512 Ottoman Civil War

1519 1521 Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire

1529 1532 Inca Civil War

1531 1572 Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire

1537 1548 Conquistador Civil War in Peru

1554 1557 Russo-Swedish War

1563 1564 Burmese–Siamese War

1568 1648 Eighty Years' War

1570 1573 Ottoman–Venetian War

1571 1571 Russo-Crimean War

Timeline of Wars - 1600 - 1699

1600 1611 Polish–Swedish War

1602 1661 Dutch–Portuguese War

1618 1648 Thirty Years' War

1634 1638 Pequot War

1635 1659 Franco-Spanish War

1640 1701 Beaver Wars (Iroquois)

1642 1646 First English Civil War

1648 1649 Second English Civil War

1649 1651 Third English Civil War

1652 1654 First Anglo-Dutch War

1654 1660 Anglo-Spanish War

1655 1655 Peach Tree War (Susquehannock)

1675 1676 King Philip's War

1683 1699 Great Turkish War

1688 1697 Nine Years' War including King William's War

1689 1692 Jacobean Rising in Scotland

Timeline of Wars - 1700 - 1799

1700 1721 Great Northern War

1711 1715 Tuscarora War

1712 1716 First Fox War

1715 1717 Yamasee War

1721 1763 Chickasaw Wars

1728 1733 Second Fox War

1739 1748 War of Jenkins' Ear

1744 1748 King George's War

1754 1763 French and Indian War (Part of the Seven Years' War)

1756 1763 Seven Years' War

1758 1761 Anglo-Cherokee War

1763 1766 Pontiac's War

1775 1783 American Revolutionary War

1776 1794 Chickamauga Wars

1779 1783 Anglo-Spanish War

1785 1795 Northwest Indian War

1789 1799 The French Revolution

1791 1804 Haitian Revolution

Timeline of Wars - 1800 - 1899

1803 1815 Napoleonic Wars

1804 1813 Russo-Persian War

1808 1810 Rum Rebellion

1808 1833 Spanish American wars of independence

1810 1821 Mexican War of Independence

1812 1815 War of 1812

1813 1814 Creek War

1817 1858 Seminole Wars

1818 1828 Zulu Wars of Conquest

1820 1875 Texas–Indian wars

1821 1832 Greek War of Independence

1821 1848 Comanche–Mexico War

1825 1830 Java War

1827 1827 Winnebago War

1832 1832 Black Hawk War

1835 1836 Texas Revolution

1839 1842 First Opium War

1846 1864 Navajo Wars

1846 1848 Mexican-American War

1849 1924 Apache Wars

1850 1865 California Indian Wars

1853 1856 Crimean War

1861 1865 American Civil War

1864 1868 Snake War

1866 1868 Red Cloud's War

1867 1875 Comanche Campaign

1876 1877 Great Sioux War (Black Hills War)

1877 1877 Nez Perce War

1878 1879 Cheyenne War

1879 1879 Sheepeater Indian War

1879 1880 Victorio's War

1899 1901 Boxer Rebellion

1899 1902 Second Boer War

Timeline of Wars - 1900 - 1999

1905 Russian Revolution

1910 1921 Mexican Revolution

1914 1918 World War I

1917 1923 Russian Civil War

1919 1923 Turkish War of Independence

1919 1921 Irish War of Independence

1927 1949 Chinese Civil War

1936 1939 Spanish Civil War

1939 1945 World War II

1946 1949 Greek Civil War

1948 1949 1948 Arab–Israeli War

1950 1953 Korean War

1952 1960 Mau Mau Uprising

1953 1959 Cuban Revolution

1954 1962 Algerian War

1955 1975 Vietnam War

1961 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion

1979 1989 Soviet war in Afghanistan

1980 1988 Iran–Iraq War

1982 1982 Falklands War

1990 1991 Gulf War

1991 1995 Croatian War of Independence

1992 1995 Bosnian War

1998 1999 Kosovo War

Timeline of Wars - 2000 - To Date

2001 War in Afghanistan

2003 2011 Iraq War

2006 2009 War in Somalia

2008 2009 Gaza War

[Spalpeen]

Let's hope those civilized yellow shirts.....

.

.......can save us all from barbarism by preventing any more red shirt elections.

[OMGImInPattaya]

Well for decades the poor everywhere in Thailand have had their human and economic rights trampled on by various political, social, and economic elites of various political stripes. Grassroots movements for economic, social, and environmental rights have been suppressed by violence and their leaders usually "disappeared." All this with very little useful condemnation or resistance from the educated middle-class and elites of Bangkok. Hence it's hardly surprising that these people who have had nothing but a diet of violence feed to them by Thai society react and lash out in the same manner against their perceived enemies.

And instead of some toff writer for The Nation calling them monkeys (de-evolved humans) maybe he/she [one never knows with these Thai names] should be leading a drive to protect their right to one-person one-vote!

It's not a "diet of violence" that's been fed to them, it's a government that openly states it will defy the law. This is bound to make certain people of certain intellect think that they too are above the law.

Do you think any of the attackers was perhaps autistic and thus couldn't be held responsible for his behaviour? Oh, no, although you want to excuse these barbaric thugs, you don't think autism is a real disability, do you?

I'm talking over decades and decades political, economic, and social conflicts in Thailand have been resolved with violence, with the powerful elites putting the boot to the necks of the poor. Therefore, not surprising Thais react with violence in so many situations...it's all most have every received from those in power.

[Jonmarleesco]

'... the need for quality education that enables citizens to fully understand what the representatives who[m] they elect to run the country are really doing. With proper education, people have a better chance of distinguishing between truth and the lies and rhetoric ...'

This is what many people who refer to the poorly educated northerners are talking about. They are referring not to 'ignorant peasants who know no better' but to an education system that is failing the majority of Thais. A system that suits the political elite of every hue because if ever the education system catches up with equality of opportunity, the political old guard will be the first casualty of a new age.

[antimedia]

The same people that call the attackers of this monk "galahs" which is more a description suited to a group of kids with water paint all over themselves while playing in the back yard. Of course this is to downplay the gravity of the crime committed and is the only sign of admission of guilt one would receive from there supporters. "Galahs" a bunch of scallywags that got a bit playful in their eyes. They are very very quick to back that up with the usual "But the monk brought it on himself" excuse. Then the accusations fly of him being a PDRC supporter, not a real monk, that he attacked the red shirts first…Stories that are more mystical and imaginative than J.R.Tolkiens could possible conjure and is more suited to children's nursery rhyme books than on a "grown ups" political forum.

When the OP states these "humans" as savages he does not mention the supporters that stand on the side lines that defend them. I think they are just as dangerous if not more dangerous. Without their support these savages would not be so emboldened and they would dissolve quicker than an aspirin in water.

The supporters in the "beat the war drum" supporting terrorism and clapping and cheering upon hearing the "good news" in Trat is a true window into the wretched souls of these people. These supporters. These fanatics that denounce the very thing they have become. One thing can be guaranteed after guaging the reactions of these "supporters" is that my children will be shielded from this hatred and blind fanatical devotion and celebration of death, evil and wanton destruction that the red shirts embrace like a new born infant to her mothers teat.

What is worse? The savage or the supporter and defender of savages. My children will be taught to avoid both.

Excellent post,could only disagree with one point.These people do not have souls,they the devil incarnate.

They have souls, but they have been twisted by their leaders.

Good souls originally, but now souls sold to the devil, some never even knowing the sale was made.

As bad as their actions, it is hard not to also feel sorry for them in their horribly manipulated states of being.

They have sold their souls to the Devil - Illuminati. I notice your photo is an Illuminati sign, are you naive or more sinister?

[Thai at Heart]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

[OMGImInPattaya]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around, like all priestly castes, they are just bought and paid for lackeys of the ruling class.

[Siripon]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around, like all priestly castes, they are just bought and paid for lackeys of the ruling class.

After the mauling you received yesterday for your ignorant post about Apisit's son, I would have thought you would have been more contrite but here you are writing more nonsense. A considerable number of Thai monks are just ordinary folk who have ordained for various reasons, nothing to do with the ruling class. This monk, for instance, had just been to see a relative and was on his way to catch a bus back to Kalasin.

[Scamper]

Cautionary article.

" Democracy is not possible without two conditions. First is the rule of law, which applies universally, not tribally nor arbitrarily. Second is the need for quality education that enables citizens to fully understand fully what the representatives who they elect to run the country are really doing. "

This is what Thaksin and the UDD emphatically don't want, because they know their germination will edge them out of the process. That is why - concurrently - the UDD is going after the judicial process, and " education " - as they see it - through the incitements on red shirt radio.

[DirtFarmer]

"Democracy is not possible without two conditions. First is the rule of law, which applies universally, not tribally nor arbitrarily. Second is the need for quality education that enables citizens to fully understand fully what the representatives who they elect to run the country are really doing. With proper education, people have a better chance of distinguishing between truth and the lies and rhetoric that are pumped out everywhere in this information age. It is the rule of law and education that have the power to tame the savage in us."

​I believe this...though a lot more than two... IF it was possible that here in the LOS law was equally applied...it is not... there is rich peoples law and then there is other law... no need to cite cases here... you all know them..

Education 100% correct... not bought and paid for degrees but a generation of well taught youngsters with the ability to study history and social sciences and things that will actually help them make good decisions going forward in their lives...it is the foundation for all of it,, not hours upon hours of cramming for useless exams.... but this piece is no revelation...just repitition of what apparently is only an ideal...as it is certainly not an original thought... I have heard the same ( not word for word mind you) spat out of a hundred different mouths here over the last 20 years but nothing has changed much... Kids need ethical role models..the role models of the current crop of "leaders" including the writer of this article represent the height of lawlessness ..shady dealings under the table payment,,, back room deals..... the children need real role models...mom and pop enter into it at this point ..those are the first to influence and teaching institutions come next... teaching them how to learn and what they learn that actually helps them see more than their limitations.....

SO instead of rehashing the ideals...someone needs to make them real..

[Seastallion]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around, like all priestly castes, they are just bought and paid for lackeys of the ruling class.

Castes??? This is Thailand, not India. Furthermore, you have just alleged that Buddhist monks are "paid for lackeys" of "the ruling class". Plainly not the "ruling" party. I can only extrapolate from that that you do not think the Shinawatras are "ruling class.

If not a troll with this statement, "Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around,", you would certainly be a deluded socialist, perhaps a coal miner's son from Newcastle?

[Bkungbank]

School time we are given test to proved how much we have learned , during University also the same reason given to us before we able to graduate, in love our partner do the same to test how sincere we are to them.

In God also did the same test how we served His words and son, In country also the same thing happen now that we tyrant or really a good citizen.This is nature occurrence to divide good and evil, white and black.

[dutchisaan]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around, like all priestly castes, they are just bought and paid for lackeys of the ruling class.

Nothing wrong with slapping a monk around??

Everytime you post something it gets more and more disgusting. Please do everybody a favor and crawl back under the rock you came from.

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[animatic]

The same people that call the attackers of this monk "galahs" which is more a description suited to a group of kids with water paint all over themselves while playing in the back yard. Of course this is to downplay the gravity of the crime committed and is the only sign of admission of guilt one would receive from there supporters. "Galahs" a bunch of scallywags that got a bit playful in their eyes. They are very very quick to back that up with the usual "But the monk brought it on himself" excuse. Then the accusations fly of him being a PDRC supporter, not a real monk, that he attacked the red shirts first…Stories that are more mystical and imaginative than J.R.Tolkiens could possible conjure and is more suited to children's nursery rhyme books than on a "grown ups" political forum.

When the OP states these "humans" as savages he does not mention the supporters that stand on the side lines that defend them. I think they are just as dangerous if not more dangerous. Without their support these savages would not be so emboldened and they would dissolve quicker than an aspirin in water.

The supporters in the "beat the war drum" supporting terrorism and clapping and cheering upon hearing the "good news" in Trat is a true window into the wretched souls of these people. These supporters. These fanatics that denounce the very thing they have become. One thing can be guaranteed after guaging the reactions of these "supporters" is that my children will be shielded from this hatred and blind fanatical devotion and celebration of death, evil and wanton destruction that the red shirts embrace like a new born infant to her mothers teat.

What is worse? The savage or the supporter and defender of savages. My children will be taught to avoid both.

Excellent post,could only disagree with one point.These people do not have souls,they the devil incarnate.

They have souls, but they have been twisted by their leaders.

Good souls originally, but now souls sold to the devil, some never even knowing the sale was made.

As bad as their actions, it is hard not to also feel sorry for them in their horribly manipulated states of being.

I suppose you could apply that logic to the Germans.

Certainly. Many where manipulated and never realised till too late, and some were just dragged along.

Some knew what they were doing and liked it, they took their punishment in full measure,

and no one avoided some measure of punishment for decades.

Some of the WWII era Germans I always felt sorry for, others, not a bit.

[OMGImInPattaya]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around, like all priestly castes, they are just bought and paid for lackeys of the ruling class.

After the mauling you received yesterday for your ignorant post about Apisit's son, I would have thought you would have been more contrite but here you are writing more nonsense. A considerable number of Thai monks are just ordinary folk who have ordained for various reasons, nothing to do with the ruling class. This monk, for instance, had just been to see a relative and was on his way to catch a bus back to Kalasin.

Yes yes yes...we've all seen the stories in the papers. Some of you people are so myopic in your political views and can't see the forest for the trees as they say. I don't wish this particular monk any harm and I'm glad there doesn't seem to have been any serious harm inflicted on the fellow. And of course, there are some monks doing good things for the poor and disposed, just as I'm sure there are at least two or three Catholic priests who haven't diddled young boys. The point is that as a group, and on the whole, priestly castes serve those in power and therefore deserve no special deference by those seeking changes in the structure and goverence of their societies. The sight of people giving the back of their hands to monks could be a sign of their political maturity and their realization that most of the monks, and certainly their leadership, aren't in favor of democracy. Edited March 27, 2014 by OMGImInPattaya

[animatic]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around, like all priestly castes, they are just bought and paid for lackeys of the ruling class.

After the mauling you received yesterday for your ignorant post about Apisit's son, I would have thought you would have been more contrite but here you are writing more nonsense. A considerable number of Thai monks are just ordinary folk who have ordained for various reasons, nothing to do with the ruling class. This monk, for instance, had just been to see a relative and was on his way to catch a bus back to Kalasin.

Yes yes yes...we've all seen the stories in the papers. Some of you people are so myopic in your political views and can't see the forest for the trees as they say. I don't wish this particular monk any harm and I'm glad there doesn't seem to have been any serious harm inflicted on the fellow. And of course, there are some monks doing good things for the poor and disposed, just as I'm sure there are at least two or three Catholic priests who haven't diddled young boys. The point is that as a group, and on the whole, priestly castes serve those in power and therefore deserve no special deference by those seeking changes in the structure and goverence of their societies. The sight of people giving the back of their hands to monks could be a sign of their political maturity and their realization that most of the monks, and certainly their leadership, aren't in favor of democracy.

Bilious bull faeces.

[zydeco]

I think the writer should think before accusing political opponents as less evolved.

Name calling in Thailand causes crazy reactions. A monk got beaten . very sad.

Bringing that to some sort of anti spiritual crescendo misses the point. Beating a monk isn't the end of society, Thai society began its long slide years ago. Its just the rich and supposedly educated in bangkok were to busy with their heads up their as to notice.

Nothing that wrong with slapping a monk around, like all priestly castes, they are just bought and paid for lackeys of the ruling class.

After the mauling you received yesterday for your ignorant post about Apisit's son, I would have thought you would have been more contrite but here you are writing more nonsense. A considerable number of Thai monks are just ordinary folk who have ordained for various reasons, nothing to do with the ruling class. This monk, for instance, had just been to see a relative and was on his way to catch a bus back to Kalasin.

Yes yes yes...we've all seen the stories in the papers. Some of you people are so myopic in your political views and can't see the forest for the trees as they say. I don't wish this particular monk any harm and I'm glad there doesn't seem to have been any serious harm inflicted on the fellow. And of course, there are some monks doing good things for the poor and disposed, just as I'm sure there are at least two or three Catholic priests who haven't diddled young boys. The point is that as a group, and on the whole, priestly castes serve those in power and therefore deserve no special deference by those seeking changes in the structure and goverence of their societies. The sight of people giving the back of their hands to monks could be a sign of their political maturity and their realization that most of the monks, and certainly their leadership, aren't in favor of democracy.

Grade school vulgar marxism

[ggt]

both sides are to blame

Yep.

Hey Ulysses G....how did you get the honorary title of: "Unwanted Member"...?

[moonao]

Wow, talk about a fevered anti-Red Shirt diatribe...I am not sure of the specifics of this case, but the frenzied, zealous and inflamed rhetoric of this article clearly is over the top.....A classic case of "Me thinks he protests too much".

This article delves into historical events to contextualization them in support of its' basic intentions to diabolize and villify the UDD/RS's, so it is not off-topic to do likewise.

Even invoking one of the 2010 R'song protest actions, and ignoring the coupist provocations of negating their votes and another one of their selected Govts. As if these protesters were anarchic, acting out in a political vacuum, and totally unprovoked...Just bad, bad people basically.

In this instance, one-sidedly referencing when protesters sought to determine of there were snipers in that bastion of PAD-Dem, anti-protest location of Chulalongkorn Hospital. Everyone knows the hatred of the medical establishment had for Thaksin, and by extension, for those protesters..........That protest was a conflict between a coup-rooted administration and those opposed, and this hospital administration was an element of one side......same as currently. I am told Chulalongkorn University is the nerve center for the coup-mongers, providing comfort and material support to them using the Universities considerable resources. Even involving something called a 'war room'.

Jumping on some isolated events as in this article to demonize the Red Shirts while ignoring many excesses of the current coup-mongers and their extremist actions, is seen for what it is......This writer could just as easily have written such a heated and frenzied article about any number of coup-monger actions of late, but those are deep-sixed for the most part.For example, torturing a guy for several days, then tying a guy's hands and feet and throwing him over a bridge, or Popcorn guys firing at unarmed people....No savagery there? Those are but two examples among many.

more or less agree.

journalism at its worst. I guess they get paid or sponsored a lot to churn out cheap dirty propagana like this, im guessing they have very wealthy sponsors.

pretty much every time i read a The Nation option piece these days i feel like i am staring in to the face of blatent yellow shirt propaganda.

Edited March 27, 2014 by moonao