Suthep says PDRC to launch an offensive next week

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Suthep says PDRC to launch an offensive next week



BANGKOK: -- Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban announced Thursday night that the People’s Democratic Reform Committee would launch an offensive next week to “seize back sovereign power” for the Thai people.

Addressing a crowd of supporters at Lumpini park Thursday night, the PDRC secretary-general said that the people would “seize back the sovereign power” so that a people’s government and a people’s assembly could be set up to start the reform process which would take one and a half years after which an election would be held.

He said that the mass procession tomorrow (Saturday) was meant to send a message that the “people who are the real owner of the country” want immediate reform before there is an election.

He said that the people had lost their patience and wanted immediate reform to be worked out by the people and not by politicians and that Thaksin regime must not be allowed to have any influence over the Thai politics during the reform period “which means caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her cabinet must be out of the office”.

The reform, explained Mr Suthep, was meant to allow “good people” to have a chance to administer the country on behalf of the people.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/suthep-says-pdrc-launch-offensive-next-week/


-- Thai PBS 2014-03-28

[Fat Haggis]

Is this not what he's been doing for the past 4.5 months???

Who's the People he keeps referring to? That will be the minority till a referendum proves otherwise Khun Suthep please!

Edited March 28, 2014 by Fat Haggis

[larsjohnsson]

We need another Final Push. Haven't seen one in a few days

[Snig27]

Not again - another final push from this loudmouthed thug - a man who is so popular with "the people" he's unable to leave his compound without a thousand or so heavily armed guards.

If the "people" want to speak, they have an option through the ballot box.

[geriatrickid]

No need to launch the "offensive" drive. The PDRC are already offensive enough.

[Chang_paarp]

So he is going to “seize back the sovereign power” not promote democracy in yet another final push.

Time to pack up and return to his realm down south and dream of things that might have been.

[chainarong]

Khun Suthep say's the reforms will allow good people to run the country for the people ,so long as those people are from the rank and file , it is the wealthy i am concered about , they ain't going to give much ground and loose all those perks, nothing will change Mr Suthep.

[h90]

Khun Suthep say's the reforms will allow good people to run the country for the people ,so long as those people are from the rank and file , it is the wealthy i am concered about , they ain't going to give much ground and loose all those perks, nothing will change Mr Suthep.

Only think for the beer families, they sponsor EVERY party in Thailand including PDRC and PAD. Just in case there is a regime change they are still in the game.

(and it pays off as the beer market is well protected).

Sure other rich one are doing the same.

[Thailand]

Push, push, push push him away to where this dangerous old fool can do no more harm to the country.

[harada]

We havn't had this weeks final final endgame yet and he's already planning next weeks.

[chooka]

Final push again? a poodle is still dog regardless of what you call it.

[djjamie]

Suthep is correct in stating that the people are the real owners of the country. The people have spoken through numerous polls from different agencies all having stated the same thing. Elections after reform. Polls have been used since the 1820's to survey a populations opinion between elections. For around 200 years people have turned to polls and extrapolated the information for their needs. Over 200 years all over the world polls are used and they have worked, they have given a strong indication of what the peoples opinion is, but in one pocket of the globe and miraculously only during thaksins tenure are polls not a true indication of the peoples opinion. Why? Simply because that opinion does not suit the PTP agenda. After thaksins tenure the polls will go back to normal again.

So Suthep you're on the right track and the voice of the people can be muffled as it was when an amnesty bill was passed against their wishes, but rest assured their voice cannot be silenced.

And as the polls have indicated and as the failed election has indicated, you do stand behind the majority until a referendum states otherwise.

It saddened me to see that the voice of the majority is respected when it suits a PTP agenda, but is ignored and excuses made up when it does not suit the PTP agenda. That is not democracy.

Edited March 28, 2014 by djjamie

[fab4]

Suthep is correct in stating that the people are the real owners of the country. The people have spoken through numerous polls from different agencies all having stated the same thing. Elections after reform. Polls have been used since the 1820's to survey a populations opinion between elections. For around 200 years people have turned to polls and extrapolated the information for their needs. Over 200 years all over the world polls are used and they have worked, they have given a strong indication of what the peoples opinion is, but in one pocket of the globe and miraculously only during thaksins tenure are polls not a true indication of the peoples opinion. Why? Simply because that opinion does not suit the PTP agenda. After thaksins tenure the polls will go back to normal again.

So Suthep you're on the right track and the voice of the people can be muffled as it was when an amnesty bill was passed against their wishes, but rest assured their voice cannot be silenced.

And as the polls have indicated and as the failed election has indicated, you do stand behind the majority until a referendum states otherwise.

It saddened me to see that the voice of the majority is respected when it suits a PTP agenda, but is ignored and excuses made up when it does not suit the PTP agenda. That is not democracy.

You do realise that an election is the ultimate poll?

[marko kok prong]

this surely fits Einstein defenition of madness theory,doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Is this not what he's been doing for the past 4.5 months???

Who's the People he keeps referring to? That will be the minority till a referendum proves otherwise Khun Suthep please!

One 93 year old general and a group of his proteges. Whenever you see false-flag handgrenade attacks, you know its military types behind it.

His final push next week, presumably refers to the soft coup attempt:

NACC meets PM on Monday/ PM gets suspended / coup Senate then appoints their stooge/ stooge dismantles the democracy.

The Democrats have a meeting today and tomorrow, so I assume Suthep is trying to ensure they can't go the democracy way and try to get elected, hence the rhetoric. He's trying to burn their bridges for them, even before they have the meeting.

Addressing a crowd of supporters [2000 paid guard] at Lumpini park Thursday night, the PDRC secretary-general said that the people would “seize back the sovereign power” [seize from voters] so that a people’s government and a people’s assembly could be set up to start the reform process [make the senate full unelected and stuff the courts with more cronies] which would take one and a half years [measured in Thai time] after which an election [Crimea style] would be held.

[chooka]

Suthep is correct in stating that the people are the real owners of the country. The people have spoken through numerous polls from different agencies all having stated the same thing. Elections after reform. Polls have been used since the 1820's to survey a populations opinion between elections. For around 200 years people have turned to polls and extrapolated the information for their needs. Over 200 years all over the world polls are used and they have worked, they have given a strong indication of what the peoples opinion is, but in one pocket of the globe and miraculously only during thaksins tenure are polls not a true indication of the peoples opinion. Why? Simply because that opinion does not suit the PTP agenda. After thaksins tenure the polls will go back to normal again.

So Suthep you're on the right track and the voice of the people can be muffled as it was when an amnesty bill was passed against their wishes, but rest assured their voice cannot be silenced.

And as the polls have indicated and as the failed election has indicated, you do stand behind the majority until a referendum states otherwise.

It saddened me to see that the voice of the majority is respected when it suits a PTP agenda, but is ignored and excuses made up when it does not suit the PTP agenda. That is not democracy.

Is not allowing people to vote and elect who they want and not who Suthep wants democracy?

[PREM-R]

Suthep is correct in stating that the people are the real owners of the country. The people have spoken through numerous polls from different agencies all having stated the same thing. Elections after reform. Polls have been used since the 1820's to survey a populations opinion between elections. For around 200 years people have turned to polls and extrapolated the information for their needs. Over 200 years all over the world polls are used and they have worked, they have given a strong indication of what the peoples opinion is, but in one pocket of the globe and miraculously only during thaksins tenure are polls not a true indication of the peoples opinion. Why? Simply because that opinion does not suit the PTP agenda. After thaksins tenure the polls will go back to normal again.

So Suthep you're on the right track and the voice of the people can be muffled as it was when an amnesty bill was passed against their wishes, but rest assured their voice cannot be silenced.

And as the polls have indicated and as the failed election has indicated, you do stand behind the majority until a referendum states otherwise.

It saddened me to see that the voice of the majority is respected when it suits a PTP agenda, but is ignored and excuses made up when it does not suit the PTP agenda. That is not democracy.

"It saddened me to see that the voice of the majority is respected when it suits a PTP agenda, but is ignored and excuses made up when it does not suit the PTP agenda. That is not democracy."

How can you consider a few 'opinion polls' probably taken in and around Bangkok to be "the voice of the majority" If you were to conduct those same polls in Khon Kaen or Udon Thani do you think the results would be the same?

You, and all the TV forum members who support Suthep, are deluded if you think that anything but a general election will end this situation. Why do you think that Suthep blocked the polling booths in Bangkok during the February election, was it to stop Thaksin 'buying' the poor, uneducated, isaan people's votes?

Suthep fears the ballot box because he knows that "the people" do not support his 'revolution'. Night after night Suthep and his colleagues tell the ever smaller crowds at Lumpini park how much 'the people hate Thaksin and 'the evil' Yingluk', well if this is indeed the case, why not have an election and let 'the people' indicate their ire through the ballot box?

Edited March 28, 2014 by PREM-R

[Scamper]

The U.S. ambassador to Thailand recently affirmed that this protest is both a right and is peaceful. She also quoted John Kerry when he said that democracy is not determined just by elections but by transparency, the rule of law, strong institutions, and an independent judiciary. Yingluck is under an impeachment investigation for corruption and lack of transparency. Yingluck and Phue Thai have consistently defied the rule of law, and have joined the UDD chorus in opposition to the independent agencies. In fact, Surapong recently wrote to the UN asking it to admonish the Constitutional Court and the independent agencies. Pheu Thai won the election in 2011 with 48.41 % of the vote, but have failed to deliver on any of the other tenets of democracy - transparency, recognition of the rule of law, and respect for an independent judiciary. In fact, they want to change all of that. By securing a parliamentary mandate the public entrusted them with respecting the rule of law. Instead, they took their parliamentary majority and rammed through - through unconstitutional means - an amnesty bill designed to pardon one specific billionaire as well as over 25,000 other people convicted of corruption. They used their parliamentary majority to pass a 2 trillion baht infrastructure bill through unconstitutional means in order to bypass normal parliamentary oversight and debating channels. They used their parliamentary majority to administer a rice scheme that contained massive corruption and graft, and they have done everything in their power to prevent the oversight of those misdeeds to take place. In short, they used their parliamentary majority for illegal purposes. The hard-core Pheu Thai supporters say " Then why not let the voters decide ? If they don't like that kind of administration they won't vote for it. If, on the other hand, they feel their constituencies have enough goodies, then it's perfectly OK if the administration wants to do all those other things. " In other words, from the hard-core Pheu Thai supporters point of view - if the people say if once you're in power you want to abuse parliamentary rules, pass massive amnesty bills, construct projects with massive graft and corruption, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system, that's alright with them, as long as their districts are taken care of. The hard-core Pheu Thai argument - in all its glory - comes down to this utter absurdity. If the people vote you in, you can commit any imaginable crime, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system to boot. As Nixon once famously said " If the president does it, then it's not illegal ". Incidentally, he was impeached for abuse of office.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Suthep is correct in stating that the people are the real owners of the country. The people have spoken through numerous polls from different agencies all having stated the same thing. Elections after reform. Polls have been used since the 1820's to survey a populations opinion between elections. For around 200 years people have turned to polls and extrapolated the information for their needs. Over 200 years all over the world polls are used and they have worked, they have given a strong indication of what the peoples opinion is, but in one pocket of the globe and miraculously only during thaksins tenure are polls not a true indication of the peoples opinion. Why? Simply because that opinion does not suit the PTP agenda. After thaksins tenure the polls will go back to normal again.

So Suthep you're on the right track and the voice of the people can be muffled as it was when an amnesty bill was passed against their wishes, but rest assured their voice cannot be silenced.

And as the polls have indicated and as the failed election has indicated, you do stand behind the majority until a referendum states otherwise.

It saddened me to see that the voice of the majority is respected when it suits a PTP agenda, but is ignored and excuses made up when it does not suit the PTP agenda. That is not democracy.

In a 2013 poll, the sexist man in the worlds was:

Glamour magazine poll says Henry Cavill

Popsugar magazine poll says Ryan Gosling

Attitude magazine poll says Tom Daley

Entertainment magazine poll says Liam Hemsworth

Blue Sky television poll says Suthep Thaugsuban

No democracy extrapolates from a push poll. You know this, the Democrats know this. You are not the majority, if you were you could have gotten elected and be in power a month ago already. No need for 5 months of protests against a system clearly rigged in Suthep's favor.

[antimedia]

What he is saying is; I will give reason for the Red shirt / UDD brigade to counter attack, with the backing of the police (ie. keeping out of it) we will then use our paid thugs posing as Reds to cause more carnage, then the 'people' will plead with the Army to step in, take control restore calm and then I or my nominee will appointed the puppet leader for the West.

[BlueNoseCodger]

The U.S. ambassador to Thailand recently affirmed that this protest is both a right and is peaceful. She also quoted John Kerry when he said that democracy is not determined just by elections but by transparency, the rule of law, strong institutions, and an independent judiciary. Yingluck is under an impeachment investigation for corruption and lack of transparency. Yingluck and Phue Thai have consistently defied the rule of law, and have joined the UDD chorus in opposition to the independent agencies. In fact, Surapong recently wrote to the UN asking it to admonish the Constitutional Court and the independent agencies. Pheu Thai won the election in 2011 with 48.41 % of the vote, but have failed to deliver on any of the other tenets of democracy - transparency, recognition of the rule of law, and respect for an independent judiciary. In fact, they want to change all of that. By securing a parliamentary mandate the public entrusted them with respecting the rule of law. Instead, they took their parliamentary majority and rammed through - through unconstitutional means - an amnesty bill designed to pardon one specific billionaire as well as over 25,000 other people convicted of corruption. They used their parliamentary majority to pass a 2 trillion baht infrastructure bill through unconstitutional means in order to bypass normal parliamentary oversight and debating channels. They used their parliamentary majority to administer a rice scheme that contained massive corruption and graft, and they have done everything in their power to prevent the oversight of those misdeeds to take place. In short, they used their parliamentary majority for illegal purposes. The hard-core Pheu Thai supporters say " Then why not let the voters decide ? If they don't like that kind of administration they won't vote for it. If, on the other hand, they feel their constituencies have enough goodies, then it's perfectly OK if the administration wants to do all those other things. " In other words, from the hard-core Pheu Thai supporters point of view - if the people say if once you're in power you want to abuse parliamentary rules, pass massive amnesty bills, construct projects with massive graft and corruption, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system, that's alright with them, as long as their districts are taken care of. The hard-core Pheu Thai argument - in all its glory - comes down to this utter absurdity. If the people vote you in, you can commit any imaginable crime, and dismantle the checks and balances of the judicial system to boot. As Nixon once famously said " If the president does it, then it's not illegal ". Incidentally, he was impeached for abuse of office.

Nah, it was an attempt to overthrow a popularly elected government with a mob of people, pumped up on lies fed to them by a satellite propaganda channel. The US position is clear, more importantly the military position between the two governments is absolutely clear between both of them:

The US Ambassador to Thailand has praised the Thai government′s restrained measures toward anti-government protesters during her discussion with Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra....Admiral Locklear [Admiral of the US Pacific fleet] likewise said he appreciates the Thai government′s patient and tolerant manner during its tackling of the conflict. .. Meanwhile, Chief of Defence Forces, General Thanasak [supreme head of Thai armed services], expressed his optimism about the situation, stating that it is ‘getting better and better’...General Thanasak said he cannot speak for PCAD leader Suthep Thaugsuban why he still refuses to put an end to his political campaign, but added that he is hopeful about future dialogues between the protest leaders and the government.

Nothing has changed there, the US, EU, China, Japan, none of them support your wannabe dictator.

[Fat Haggis]

Don't confuse a dislike for Suthep and the way in which he's conducted himself as as being Thaksin or pro Government supporters, just in the same way many anti Government supporters are confusing a non vote as a no vote. djjamie being a prime example as he's always quoting as such.

Hold a referendum and IF the results come back that it's a majority who want reforms, then move with them, if it's not, then as sure as there's shyt in a dog, Suthep will never allow another election to take place again in Thailand.

The People will decide IF YOU LET THEM!!, as it stands Suthep and his protesters have done all they can to prevent the voice of the people being heard, they are unwilling to take a leap of faith and prove that these "Polls" are indeed accurate.

The voice of the people is being silenced by his actions alone..

[lildragon]

What about those 20 million that came out to vote last month?

Whether or not they voted for PTP is irrelevant. Suthep does not speak for them. 20 million is not the whole voting population but it's a darn big chunk of it. This does coincide nicely with Yinglucks rulling next week.

[BlueNoseCodger]

What he is saying is; I will give reason for the Red shirt / UDD brigade to counter attack, with the backing of the police (ie. keeping out of it) we will then use our paid thugs posing as Reds to cause more carnage, then the 'people' will plead with the Army to step in, take control restore calm and then I or my nominee will appointed the puppet leader for the West.

Don't forget the hand-grenades, the false flag attacks always involve handgrenades. I think he has a fetish for them.

[Bluespunk]

Go home. It's over.

[tilac2]

In years to come the insurrectionist Suthep will go down as one of the greatest criminals in the history of Thailand. He is surely up there in the 'hall of shame' with Sarit (the most corrupt ever - way ahead of Thaksin) and Thanin Kraivichien (the most repressive ever - the book burner - only rivalled in repressiveness by Abhisit, who took lese majeste prosecutions to a new level). Arguably one should also include Field Marshall Phibun. On an international scale Suthep evokes comparison with Mussolini and Mugabe.

Here's an idea, let's put up a statue to the 'ghastly 4' - Suthep, Sarit, Thanin and Abhisit - which could become a public urinal or a place where one could vomit when one has had a few too many drinks.

A suitable place for this statue would be Sanam Luang, near to Democracy Monument and the statue of the heroic Pridi at Thammasat University. So in future we could visit Bangkok and pay tribute to Pridi and of course to the enlightened monarchs of this fabulous country (principally Rama V and Rama IX) and then demonstrate our scorn for those who have done their best to destroy Thailand/Siam, the criminals of the modern era - Suthep, Sarit, Thanin and Abhisit.

Edited March 28, 2014 by tilac2

[Mentors]

How much more damage for this country?

[tilac2]

How much more damage for this country?

I'd predict that the political problems will go on-and-on until Thai people realise that 'one man one vote' is the only solution.

It's the only solution because 'one man one vote' involves countable numbers. The electorate vote at the booths, then you count the votes, and then you have a verifiable result. Sure, there are flaws in that, but ultimately it's the best way I have ever heard of for governing a country.

It is also the best way of getting rid of regimes that do not deliver. So, e.g., if you don't like the 'first car scheme' or the 'rice subsidy scheme' (and I personally don't - but I can't vote), then you vote against the parties that delivered those schemes - and maybe you might consider voting for a new "New Democrat" party which has a better scheme?

There is a precedent for this electorate-run process of change, and it is Thaksin. Thaksin was arguably the first Thai politician to realise that you can get elected by delivering what you promise in a manifesto. Sure, Thaksin's problem was that he was obsessed with continuing his business interests while he governed the country, but he did establish a voter-based mandate. Who knows how that would have developed if there hadn't been the 2006 coup? Some people say that the coup saved Thailand from a predicted 'Thaksin dictatorship'; others suggest that Thaksin would have followed the democratic will if he had been voted out. I tend to the latter view.

I'd suggest that you simply have to 'trust' the electorate, and if you do so, ultimately, things will balance themselves out. Maybe I am naiive, but I'd suggest that there is a real mood in this country to stamp out corruption, but it has to be done through the voting system. There is no other sensible or workable way. You have to convince the Isaan people that good, non-corrupt management/governance is the best way forward for this country.

[bangkokheat]

i think this one is the real deal, the offensive of all offensives, this is the offensive that will bring down rome, so it is written, so it shall be one, sutheps the man, hoot hoot hoot

[metisdead]

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