Nuttawut challenges Suthep, Abhisit to live televised debate

[WoopyDoo]

RED-SHIRT leader Nuttawut Saikuar yesterday challenged Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary-general of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee, and Abhisit Vejjajiva, leader of Democrat Party, to a political debate on live TV.

Please show me a link to where Yingluck passed the power of the government over to this jerk

YES YES YES

there should be a debate, but between the 2 equals

Abhisit against Yingluck

if he wants to pay 2nds then okay he can go up agains Suthep, but why does he need a backup,

It should be 1 against 1,, he wants 1 against him and typical tough male mob just in case he gets in to trouble (Thai men are only strong if in a group)

For months now we have been asking for tv debates and the PTP and red shirts have slammed the door on this and hid under the tables

We can tell they are now getting desperate, the end is near, and they are grabbing at every piece of rubbish that floats past to stay afloat

Yingluck screams she has not time to face the NCC and get 15 days, here we now see Nuttawut Saikuar saying you have no time to Suthep and if you not do today you are a coward

Isn't it interesting how things change when PTP wants to have things its way

Suthep no need to go on tv against this idiot today

With luck by the end of the week it will be all over, and you can then go on tv against YOUR COUNTERPART and start plannnig the best way to get Thailand out of the mess it is now in

N Cass (Thai citizen)

This reply has been watered down as many of the thai words she wrote can not be written here on the forum

The flaw in the argument, is that Abhisit is not the equal of the acting PM. This is not an election and this isn't a case of a candidates meeting.

Yingluck is in the position as acting PM. Abhisit is in the position of leader of a political party which did not contest the last election and has indicated that it will not contest the next election. Suthep, claims that he is not a political leader.

In no way can political faction leaders be considered the equal of a serving PM.

When is the last time a PM in any of the Commonwealth countries debated the leader of a political interest group, and leader of an opposition party OUTSIDE of an election? It's not done in the USA and I don't believe it is done anywhere in the world.

It is done in the UK live on TV every single week.

Prime Minister's Question Time. Every Wednesday at noon.

The PM is bombarded by questions from the opposition with NO pre-warning of what questions are asked, and especially by the opposition leaders.

They are also frequently on political discussion shows.

The UK has proper politicians, not these stupid cardboard cut outs.

Suthep should take up a face to face with Nattawut, but reject going into the same room as Jatuporn as he is a convicted terrorist, and will be in prison come mid April when he faces his bail review, and most likely Nattawut will be banged up too.

They have stood on a stage and incited hatred and dissent to the rule of law, as well as hinted towards supporting secession, and are currently recruiting a fully trained red army to battle the courts, the PDRC and the military.

They are overseeing an uprising that would almost certainly set the stage for a civil war..

Suthep is a mile above this scum... not only in the 'current' moral sense, but also as far as political intelligence is concerned. He would chew them up and spit them out in a heartbeat. If he accepted, I guarantee Nattawut and Jutaporn will pull out of the debate.

[smileydude]

No one will ever accept invitations to a debate as the topic is usually geared towards the strongpoints of the person who initiated the challenge. Nuttawut wants to bait Suthep and Abhisit into the seemingly undemocratic process of overthrowing a government via mob protest and invoking Article 7. He has international protocol on his side. On the other hand Yingluck and Nuttawut will never face up to answering corruption problems like the rice pledging scheme or the possibility of reform before elections.

Instead why don't they have a debate about how they think a country should be governed to benefit everyone equally? Less complex issues tend to bring out the truth as you cannot bs your way out of it (or maybe politicians can?) The person who is sincere about solving Thailand's problems will win the debate so we can finally know once and for all who is the more capable of the two sides.

Edited March 31, 2014 by smileydude

[phutoie2]

Suthep is a mile above this scum... not only in the 'current' moral sense, but also as far as political intelligence is concerned. He would chew them up and spit them out in a heartbeat.

The dumbest comment of the day. Perhaps Jutaporn would not want to appear on stage with somebody who has failed to appear in court on murder charges too.

Edited March 31, 2014 by phutoie2

[crazykopite]

Yes bring it on a live TV debate ! It will never happen as Suthep would have no answers to the questions asked, it is as simple as that.

[WoopyDoo]

On another note.

The offer to compare supporters in simultaneous rallies in BKK would be a total disaster in the making.

No amount of police and soldiers would be able to control them and the reds will go out of their way to initiate an attack the PDRC.

If both side have massive turnouts and ends in confrontation, then that could be seen as an official start to civil war, and the aermy would have no choice biut to go for the coup after a few days of battles and a few hundred dead, the international community would understand it was needed.

[airconsult]

Suthep is a mile above this scum... not only in the 'current' moral sense, but also as far as political intelligence is concerned. He would chew them up and spit them out in a heartbeat.

The dumbest comment of the day. Perhaps Jutaporn would not want to appear on stage with somebody who has failed to appear in court on murder charges too.

Don't forget sedition and insurrection - the court refused to dismiss those charges against Suthep.

[Baerboxer]

Mediated by Noppadon Pattama.

Lie, lie, lie, and deny.

Honestly, any debate will just be a platform to spout political rhetoric, so probably useless from both sides.

I note that it would be acceptable if Abhisit refused the invitation as a result of his injury...!!

I personally believe that he should attend, as he has shown that he is a very good speaker and well capable of fielding searching political questions.

I reckon he would take Nuttawut and Jatuporn apart; unfortunately, the likelihood is that both of them would resort to violence as a result of such loss of face...!!

Guess that's why Yingluck hasn't been included. That foot injury is so debilitating !

[huanga]

This just further confirms what most people know already - Yingluck is just a weak and incompetent puppet, so her (or more correctly, Thaksin's) dogs have to do everything for her, such as debating, running the country, writing speeches and phrases for her to read, et cetera.

Even with all this help, she still stumbled in almost every corner. God help Thailand!

[BestBitterPhuket]

"The Thaksin regime does not exist. We have only a democratic regime in which any qualified person can volunteer to work for the people no matter what surname he or she has," he said.

Any qualified person...

This is the qualification: pay 500 baht per vote until your party wins the "democratic" election and the rest is history

Looks to me that the qualifying process needs some oversight

You obviously don't know much. They can't buy your vote. Even in Thailand they don't even look you over they shoulders at the ballot box. My wife's family member happily accepted a few thousand baht in election money, only to cast their vote for the other candidate who didn't pay them. That is common.

[anon467367354]

Mediated by Noppadon Pattama.

Lie, lie, lie, and deny.

Honestly, any debate will just be a platform to spout political rhetoric, so probably useless from both sides.

I note that it would be acceptable if Abhisit refused the invitation as a result of his injury...!!

I personally believe that he should attend, as he has shown that he is a very good speaker and well capable of fielding searching political questions.

I reckon he would take Nuttawut and Jatuporn apart; unfortunately, the likelihood is that both of them would resort to violence as a result of such loss of face...!!

Guess that's why Yingluck hasn't been included. That foot injury is so debilitating !

But she does manage to walk on it for a voting photo-op.

[Smokemachine]

This only make YL looks more useless.

[diehard60]

Dear mr Nattawut, why doesn't your boss show some balls and defend herself on TV. Abhisit faced you, Jatuporn and Veera in 2010. The famous tv debate where he, the legal PM of Thailand at the time , offered you and your band of fascists early elections. At first you all 3 agreed, until that famous text message came in and you all changed tones, ended the negotiations and ensured bloodshed in the following days.

Why can't your Barbie doll PM go on tv herself? Why does she send her storm troopers to do her work again!

How about the fact that suthep and his thugs have threatened her life in public, so who would trust suthep?

[Bangmod]

The debate should be concerning people who matter, the PM and suthep, not two wannabe terrorists like Nuttawat and Jatuporn....

[diehard60]

This just further confirms what most people know already - Yingluck is just a weak and incompetent puppet, so her (or more correctly, Thaksin's) dogs have to do everything for her, such as debating, running the country, writing speeches and phrases for her to read, et cetera.

Even with all this help, she still stumbled in almost every corner. God help Thailand!

would rather have her sumbling about then suthep taking us back to 1991 and a complete dictatorship.

[tingtongteesood]

Suthep is a mile above this scum... not only in the 'current' moral sense, but also as far as political intelligence is concerned. He would chew them up and spit them out in a heartbeat.

The dumbest comment of the day. Perhaps Jutaporn would not want to appear on stage with somebody who has failed to appear in court on murder charges too.

Yes you are correct phutoie2, you have just made the dumbest comment of the day. Congratulations.

[Bluespunk]

Dear mr Nattawut, why doesn't your boss show some balls and defend herself on TV. Abhisit faced you, Jatuporn and Veera in 2010. The famous tv debate where he, the legal PM of Thailand at the time , offered you and your band of fascists early elections. At first you all 3 agreed, until that famous text message came in and you all changed tones, ended the negotiations and ensured bloodshed in the following days.

Why can't your Barbie doll PM go on tv herself? Why does she send her storm troopers to do her work again!

How about the fact that suthep and his thugs have threatened her life in public, so who would trust suthep?

While I have nothing contempt for suthep, I doubt even he'd been stupid enough to physically attack ms ineffectual in a public debate. Edited March 31, 2014 by Bluespunk

[Scamper]

For those familiar with the size of Nattawut's ego will not be the least bit surprised with this. The point of this exercise is clear :

- relieve Yingluck of the responsibility to debate. After all, she's only prime minister ( actually was ).

- achieve the UDD/Thaksin aim of trying to wield Abhisit and Suthep together in the public's minds.

The only reason they had to throw Jataporn in there is because they wanted the public to see both Abhisit and Suthep side by side. Otherwise, Nattawut would never have shared the stage. Nattawut has a great deal of everything. But what that comes down to is that he has a great deal of nerve. He talks about bravery, and yet famously said he would take " responsibility " after inciting the arson in 2010. The video of his speech remains one of the most famous in youtube's history. He can't run away from it. His " responsibility " was abandoned when it became convenient so to do. Since then, he has become minister of agriculture - and what a minister he was ( rice scandal, anyone ? ) and now the " secretary-general of the UDD ". Nuttawut is a man who has long fancied himself prime minister. Like Jataporn, reality is kept at bay with large doses of self-aggrandizement.

[Fat Haggis]

Mediated by Noppadon Pattama.

Lie, lie, lie, and deny.

Honestly, any debate will just be a platform to spout political rhetoric, so probably useless from both sides.

I note that it would be acceptable if Abhisit refused the invitation as a result of his injury...!!

I personally believe that he should attend, as he has shown that he is a very good speaker and well capable of fielding searching political questions.

I reckon he would take Nuttawut and Jatuporn apart; unfortunately, the likelihood is that both of them would resort to violence as a result of such loss of face...!!

Guess that's why Yingluck hasn't been included. That foot injury is so debilitating !

That's because her foot will be in her mouth most of the time..

I don't see a problem with this debate, all on Sundry knows that Sutheps goal to get Yingluck was to humiliate her in public, he's a canny old fox, and pretty much everyone knows this, but I'd like to see him come up against another headstrong opponent, but he will never accept the challenge as he's not benefiting from it.

It's like Michael Yon the mouth piece of the PDRC, talks the talk but can't walk the walk when he was challenged by Andrew McgGregor Marshall to skype debate on Thai politics, he refused to participate because it simply didn't fit into his agenda, and he would have been found wanting and out of his depth too perhaps.

It would be great viewing for the Thai public, there's not enough TV debates and it sure would go a long way towards Suthep being given a Nationwide platform in which to put his reforms and ideals forwards, maybe a lot better than the protest marches, as he truly will have a tens of Millions audience to hear it direct from his mouth what visions he has to end the Thaksin grip on the Nation...

Go for it Suthep, use it to your advantage and tell the Nation why reforms are more important than elections at this moment in time, you have a Golden Opportunity here to win the Nation over... Carpe Diem

[billd766]

RED-SHIRT leader Nuttawut Saikuar yesterday challenged Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary-general of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee, and Abhisit Vejjajiva, leader of Democrat Party, to a political debate on live TV.

Please show me a link to where Yingluck passed the power of the government over to this jerk

YES YES YES

there should be a debate, but between the 2 equals

Abhisit against Yingluck

if he wants to pay 2nds then okay he can go up agains Suthep, but why does he need a backup,

It should be 1 against 1,, he wants 1 against him and typical tough male mob just in case he gets in to trouble (Thai men are only strong if in a group)

For months now we have been asking for tv debates and the PTP and red shirts have slammed the door on this and hid under the tables

We can tell they are now getting desperate, the end is near, and they are grabbing at every piece of rubbish that floats past to stay afloat

Yingluck screams she has not time to face the NCC and get 15 days, here we now see Nuttawut Saikuar saying you have no time to Suthep and if you not do today you are a coward

Isn't it interesting how things change when PTP wants to have things its way

Suthep no need to go on tv against this idiot today

With luck by the end of the week it will be all over, and you can then go on tv against YOUR COUNTERPART and start plannnig the best way to get Thailand out of the mess it is now in

N Cass (Thai citizen)

This reply has been watered down as many of the thai words she wrote can not be written here on the forum

The flaw in the argument, is that Abhisit is not the equal of the acting PM. This is not an election and this isn't a case of a candidates meeting.

Yingluck is in the position as acting PM. Abhisit is in the position of leader of a political party which did not contest the last election and has indicated that it will not contest the next election. Suthep, claims that he is not a political leader.

In no way can political faction leaders be considered the equal of a serving PM.

When is the last time a PM in any of the Commonwealth countries debated the leader of a political interest group, and leader of an opposition party OUTSIDE of an election? It's not done in the USA and I don't believe it is done anywhere in the world.

During the last few days Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence party was in a live debate on TV with Nick Clegg who is a DPM of the coalition government in the UK. There is a reference to it on the BBC News website. Clegg lost.

Edited March 31, 2014 by billd766

[Morch]

Dear mr Nattawut, why doesn't your boss show some balls and defend herself on TV. Abhisit faced you, Jatuporn and Veera in 2010. The famous tv debate where he, the legal PM of Thailand at the time , offered you and your band of fascists early elections. At first you all 3 agreed, until that famous text message came in and you all changed tones, ended the negotiations and ensured bloodshed in the following days.

Why can't your Barbie doll PM go on tv herself? Why does she send her storm troopers to do her work again!

How about the fact that suthep and his thugs have threatened her life in public, so who would trust suthep?

I'm pretty sure they did not threat her life, as such, in public.

Also not very likely she would be attacked in public, after all, this isn't Asean summit in Pattaya.

[Thai at Heart]

Live televised debate goes completly against Thai culture. How do they prevent FACE loss in such an event? I would absolutely love to see such a debate. Can't even imagine it in my head since I've NEVER seen a Thai put himself in such a position.

Of course, he probably announced it this morning leaving only minutes for Suthep to decide and knowing that there would be no acceptance.

Funny guys

That's why it would be a shouting match not a debate.

[Morch]

RED-SHIRT leader Nuttawut Saikuar yesterday challenged Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary-general of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee, and Abhisit Vejjajiva, leader of Democrat Party, to a political debate on live TV.

Please show me a link to where Yingluck passed the power of the government over to this jerk

YES YES YES

there should be a debate, but between the 2 equals

Abhisit against Yingluck

if he wants to pay 2nds then okay he can go up agains Suthep, but why does he need a backup,

It should be 1 against 1,, he wants 1 against him and typical tough male mob just in case he gets in to trouble (Thai men are only strong if in a group)

For months now we have been asking for tv debates and the PTP and red shirts have slammed the door on this and hid under the tables

We can tell they are now getting desperate, the end is near, and they are grabbing at every piece of rubbish that floats past to stay afloat

Yingluck screams she has not time to face the NCC and get 15 days, here we now see Nuttawut Saikuar saying you have no time to Suthep and if you not do today you are a coward

Isn't it interesting how things change when PTP wants to have things its way

Suthep no need to go on tv against this idiot today

With luck by the end of the week it will be all over, and you can then go on tv against YOUR COUNTERPART and start plannnig the best way to get Thailand out of the mess it is now in

N Cass (Thai citizen)

This reply has been watered down as many of the thai words she wrote can not be written here on the forum

The flaw in the argument, is that Abhisit is not the equal of the acting PM. This is not an election and this isn't a case of a candidates meeting.

Yingluck is in the position as acting PM. Abhisit is in the position of leader of a political party which did not contest the last election and has indicated that it will not contest the next election. Suthep, claims that he is not a political leader.

In no way can political faction leaders be considered the equal of a serving PM.

When is the last time a PM in any of the Commonwealth countries debated the leader of a political interest group, and leader of an opposition party OUTSIDE of an election? It's not done in the USA and I don't believe it is done anywhere in the world.

It was actually done before in Thailand (as you very well know).

[bigbamboo]

Any open forum would be preferable to the usual girly bitching.

Of course there is little point in involving Yingluck in any serious political debate but if Natta or Jata are present there had better be plenty of security around though because when they start to lose the argument they'll surely lose their rag too.

[klauskunkel]

"The Thaksin regime does not exist. We have only a democratic regime in which any qualified person can volunteer to work for the people no matter what surname he or she has," he said.

Any qualified person...

This is the qualification: pay 500 baht per vote until your party wins the "democratic" election and the rest is history

Looks to me that the qualifying process needs some oversight

You obviously don't know much. They can't buy your vote. Even in Thailand they don't even look you over they shoulders at the ballot box. My wife's family member happily accepted a few thousand baht in election money, only to cast their vote for the other candidate who didn't pay them. That is common.

I bow to your superior wisdom, experience and intellect

[hyperdimension]

Also not very likely she would be attacked in public

If we regard Yingluck as a person with a disability (I don't mean just because of her recent foot injury), that is completely understandable. Because of her disability, she herself is benign and does not present much threat. But her disability also means that she is not fit to work in positions of great responsibility, like prime minister of a country.

I'd be interested to know which other leaders of Thailand or any other country are as or even more mentally retarded.

[gemini81]

"The Thaksin regime does not exist. We have only a democratic regime in which any qualified person can volunteer to work for the people no matter what surname he or she has," he said.

Any qualified person...

This is the qualification: pay 500 baht per vote until your party wins the "democratic" election and the rest is history

Looks to me that the qualifying process needs some oversight

You obviously don't know much. They can't buy your vote. Even in Thailand they don't even look you over they shoulders at the ballot box. My wife's family member happily accepted a few thousand baht in election money, only to cast their vote for the other candidate who didn't pay them. That is common.

I bow to your superior wisdom, experience and intellect

His old lady & family were so sincere to accept the graft too. Guess she is a prime example of the true fact that, unfortunately, 80% in Thailand have a low education. PTP has done little about that. Wonder why they never ever listen to the monks when they go to the temple?

[bkksteviejai]

Not inviting the PM then, why's that now?

Because she's a numpty and Suthep would run rings around her. He wouldn't have it quite as easy with Nattawut...so I assume he'd not risk being made to look a tool.

[Mackie]

People like Nuttawut Saikua in any normal society would be placed either in a mental institution under the observation or behind the bars. He is the best example of how seriously flawed Thai society is. There is no place in politics for a mental case like him. Seriously. I will quote him word for word.

Similarly, during a preparatory rally in Chantaburi province on January 27, UDD leader Nuttawut Saikua warned: “If [the government] takes control [of the Red Shirt camp], we will burn the whole country. Burn it all down, I will take the responsibility. If they want to arrest or whatever, they can come to me. If they seize control, burn!”182

Red Shirt leaders regularly called on supporters to burn and steal from stores during the Rachaprason protests, indicating incitement or complicity in the arson and looting attacks. For example, on April 8, 2010, UDD leader Nuttawut Saikua told UDD protesters how he was easily frightened as a child and used to run for cover whenever he heard loud noises. He then suggested that the Red Shirts should run into shopping centers and loot and burn them if they were similarly “spooked” by the army attempting to disperse them:

180 The management of the Grand Hyatt Erawan Hotel, which was not destroyed despite its proximity to the Central World, denied that they were involved with the Red Shirts even though one of the main shareholders was linked with Thaksin’s close aide, Pongthep Thepkanjana, “Erawan Hotel Denies Giving Support to UDD Leaders,” (รร.เอราวัณโตข้ ่าวเออื้ อาทรแกนนำ นปช.)

Thai Recent News, April 9, 2010, http://thairecent.com/Business/2010/628534/ (accessed April 2, 2011).

181 See a compilation of speeches given by UDD leaders inciting arson attacks on government and civilian targets. “Evidence of Red-shirts' Involvement in Arson Attacks,”

(accessed April 2, 2011). 182 Ibid. Descent into Chaos 92

Like I said, the Red Shirts are jumpy. When you [the soldiers] shoot, they run into Gaysorn, Central World, Paragon and the hotels around here. The way I analyze our people here, we have different reactions. Some run to brandname bags. Some run into jewelers or gold stores. Some drive their cars intoa shop. Some simply set fire for no reason.183

Beginning in their public speeches in January 2010, UDD leaders appeared to consider acts of arson and looting as a potential defense against a military dispersal of the UDD rally, and used such threats to deter a repeat of the humiliating 2009 dispersal.184 The coordinated nature of the many arson attacks around Bangkok and the selection of the targets also indicate that the attacks were well planned and organized.

[Nickymaster]

Suthep will not accept because he would be asked live on national tv questions like:

1) What reforms do what you want to undertake?

2) Would the police, army etc be reformed?

3) Who do you put forward as a neutral PM?

4) How long would the reforms take and what would happen at the end?

5) What gives you the mandate to do this?

6) Why did these reforms not commence 3 years ago when you were DPM?

7) Why have you not provided any detail of reform?

8) why dont you hold a referendum on whether reform should go ahead?

9) etc etc

Questions Suthep obviously does not have answers for. Obviously YS would probably be torn a new one in a televised debate, but Nattawut at least is probably fairly decent. And if it all goes wrong he can simply match Suthep shout for shout.

Although most of your sample questions can be easily answered. But, in a democracy, you would expect the PM to have a leading role in negotiating with the protest leaders. Just like the gentleman Abhisit did.