Thai Red Shirts mobilise to defend besieged PM Yingluck

[philw]

Highly unlikely any thai rice farmers are there this author must have an aneurysm or something.

Its funny how the reds have been filmed and photographed signing on paid Burmese and Cambodian workers to demonstrate for them many of them can't even read or write.

This article is pure and utter rubbish.

Evidence ???

Of course not............

I have seen two of them already. Just google and you shall see

So, evidence please.

Again..............

[givenall]

Focus

Thai Red Shirts mobilise to defend besieged PM

by Aidan JONES

UDON THANI, April 4, 2014 (AFP) - With a flurry of punches and kicks, hundreds of Thai "Red Shirts" undergo self-defence drills as they mobilise to protect the embattled government, stoking fears of a dangerous new phase of civil conflict.

While far from a battle-ready militia, the ranks of sun-weathered rice farmers brim with determination to prevent opposition protesters in Bangkok toppling Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

Drawn from the poor but populous north and northeast, the Red Shirts broadly support ousted former premier Thaksin Shinawatra -- Yingluck's elder brother.

Their rhetoric has crescendoed over the last few weeks, matching an intensifying barrage of legal challenges that could lead to Yingluck's removal from office.

In anticipation of her fall, the Red Shirts say they will bring hundreds of thousands of supporters to a Bangkok suburb on Saturday for a two-day rally.

The move looks likely to raise the stakes in a six-month political crisis that has left 24 people dead and hundreds wounded in grenade attacks and shootings, often targeting protesters.

A military crackdown on Red Shirt rallies in Bangkok against the previous government in 2010 left scores dead and parts of the city's commercial centre smouldering.

The backdrop is an eight-year struggle between a royalist establishment -- supported by the judiciary and the military -- and Yingluck's family, which has traditionally enjoyed strong support in the northern half of Thailand.

- 'Lion-hearts' -

"We have lion hearts... we are real fighters," local Red leader Kwanchai Pripana told AFP on the sidelines of the training camp in the movement's heartland of Udon Thani on Thursday.

At the camp, around 500 -- mainly middle-aged -- men and women gamely rehearsed Muay Thai boxing moves and parade drills despite the sapping heat.

They have shed their red T-shirts for new black uniforms, in symbolic mourning over a court decision to nullify a February general election disrupted by protesters.

Kwanchai said 40,000 volunteers have already signed up to act as guards for Red Shirt protests, with several further rounds of training planned across the northeastern region of Isaan.

"We are building our strength to learn how to defend ourselves," he said, stressing the volunteers would be unarmed. "If they kill us this time, when one dies, one thousand Red Shirts will be born."

Kwanchai was shot several times at his home in January in what was believed to have been a politically motivated attack. He now periodically needs a wheelchair and has limited use of his right arm.

Still, with fellow firebrand Suporn Attawong -- dubbed "Rambo Isaan" -- he organised the training camp for the "Democracy Protection Volunteers".

Without a swift cooling of tempers on both sides of Thailand's bitter divide, analysts warn more violence lies ahead.

If Yingluck falls, the Red Shirts could seize official buildings and block roads in their strongholds, potentially prompting the army to act to restore order, according to Matthew Wheeler of the International Crisis Group think-tank.

"The prospects for the country look grim in the near term. People feel it's going to get worse before it gets better," he added.

Observers say the Shinawatra family has been holding back its trump card to use in the event Yingluck falls.

She faces neglect of duty charges linked to a loss-making rice subsidy scheme and allegations of abuse of power over the transfer of a top security official.

"Once Thaksin uses the Reds, it may be impossible to control them," said Paul Chambers, director of research at the Institute of South East Asian Affairs at Chiang Mai University.

The movement could become "a sort of bucking bronco," he added.

- Reds rising? -

Thaksin, a billionaire tycoon-turned-politician, fled overseas in 2008 to avoid jail for a corruption conviction, but he is seen as pulling the strings behind his sister's premiership and is accused by opponents of nepotism and rampant corruption.

His critics say he uses taxpayers' money to buy the loyalty of rural voters through populist policies.

The Red Shirts fear that the political and economic clout they have gained since Thaksin's emergence in 2001 will now be taken away by Thailand's wealthy establishment.

Broadly representing the Bangkok elite and middle-classes as well as parts of the Thai south, the opposition wants to install an unelected leader to oversee vaguely defined reforms aimed at tackling corruption and rooting out Thaksin's influence.

Sheltering from the baking sun in a covered parade ground in Udon Thani, the Red Shirt volunteers said the time has come to defend their elected premier and their democratic stake in the kingdom's future.

"I voted for Yingluck, now I want to protect her," said Pradit Viengdindam, a 54-year-old street vendor who recently bought life insurance in case his two children are left with no father.

"We need to fight now or the power of our vote will be taken away forever by the elite."

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2014-04-04

I checked dictionary I think they are using the wrong word. They really mean guilty not besieged

[dinooz]

To Phil Re : Link to paid foreign red protesters http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/thailand-3000-police-soldiers-deployed-to-handle-red-shirt-mass-rally/

[tingtongteesood]

http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/ Interesting page. Includes

Red Shirts buying foreign workers at MAESOT ,Thai Burma Border from Burma Myanmar for the Protest Bangkok

And here are the toilet signs, slightly suspect, I wonder how many Burmese are coming and how much they are getting paid ? I bet they get paid less than tyhe Thai citizens. Typical Shin tactics, to lie and cheat and think money can solve everything. Whatever number of people they get, they have lost already now the truth is out...

[dinooz]

http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/ Interesting page. Includes

Red Shirts buying foreign workers at MAESOT ,Thai Burma Border from Burma Myanmar for the Protest Bangkok

And here are the toilet signs, slightly suspect, I wonder how many Burmese are coming and how much they are getting paid ? I bet they get paid less than tyhe Thai citizens. Typical Shin tactics, to lie and cheat and think money can solve everything. Whatever number of people they get, they have lost already now the truth is out...

Jeeze that was an even better link Tingtong,I didn't realize how much the Burmese are interested in Thai politics and how much influence the Shins have there,some of the pics are very graphic and that surprised me from a so called press controlled country certainly a page to bookmark we can thank Phil for demanding a link 2 mins on google and another view of the situation opens up.

[Dogmatix]

Spalpeen, have the farmers been paid yet?

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Well if they haven't then they could have expressed their dissatisfaction by voting for the Democrats. Oh no, hang on a second, the 'Democrats' didn't give them that option. And then, whoever they did vote for, their votes were chucked back in their faces by a tiny cabal of judges.

Little wonder that 'fight' and 'battle are now on the agenda. If only the rice farmers votes had been respected this wouldn't be necessary.

Or don't vote at all. PT got 8 million votes in Feb 2014 against 15 million or so in 2011. Got the message?

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Perhaps the message would be clearer if you could tell us how many votes the 'Democrats' got.

8 million people turning out to do this......

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.....in defiance of this.......

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......is a pretty clear statement.

Another clear statement here

[philw]

To Phil Re : Link to paid foreign red protesters http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/thailand-3000-police-soldiers-deployed-to-handle-red-shirt-mass-rally/

That article makes no reference to foreign red protestors at all.

Total red herring.....

[Mrgk]

Isn't The Desert Coward part of "The Elite"?

Certainly, but he´s new money, and a traitor to his class in the eyes of much of the old-money elite. Hence their hatred for him. (No, they don´t hate him for "corruption", nor because of his human rights violations, as the history of Thailand for the last 80 years should make very clear indeed...).

[northernjohn]

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Well if they haven't then they could have expressed their dissatisfaction by voting for the Democrats. Oh no, hang on a second, the 'Democrats' didn't give them that option. And then, whoever they did vote for, their votes were chucked back in their faces by a tiny cabal of judges.

Little wonder that 'fight' and 'battle are now on the agenda. If only the rice farmers votes had been respected this wouldn't be necessary.

Or don't vote at all. PT got 8 million votes in Feb 2014 against 15 million or so in 2011. Got the message?

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Perhaps the message would be clearer if you could tell us how many votes the 'Democrats' got.

8 million people turning out to do this......

image.jpg

.....in defiance of this.......

image.jpg

......is a pretty clear statement.

Another clear statement here

Well the first thing they did was take his cane away from him.

They are not sure how many where beating on him I have heard 20 to 30.

Edit

Apparently the picture did not print see post number 97 for it. A Monk being beaten by red shirts.

Normal Red shirt behavior.

Edited April 4, 2014 by northernjohn

[tingtongteesood]

To Phil Re : Link to paid foreign red protesters http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/thailand-3000-police-soldiers-deployed-to-handle-red-shirt-mass-rally/

That article makes no reference to foreign red protestors at all.

Total red herring.....

Why don't you try looking at the link in the next post after it and you will see in big bold black letters :

Red Shirts buying foreign workers at MAESOT ,Thai Burma Border from Burma Myanmar for the Protest Bangkok

Though most of it is in Thai, so maybe you can't read it but between the few parts in English and the pictures you should get the gist of it. But the headline is there bold as can be in English. No red herring at all.

[bkkgooner]

The sad thing about this conflict is that the vast majority of Thai people are on neither side of the divide and simply wish to live peaceful and happy lives

[Mrgk]

This is what is on everyone's mind. And an AIP article that romanticizes a movement that is chiefly motivated by a desire to resist the judicial system is not helping.

They are only interested in the judiciary because the judiciary is interested in them - to an unhealthy degree, one might say.

This business of the " elite " this and the " elite " that only underscores the extent to which this ludicrous brainwashing has been soaked up. How do they differentiate between a billionaire and the " elite " ?

Simple, we use sub-categories and quantitative thinking. By doing so, we can distinguish between several factions of the elite, with the majority being aligned with the anti-PTP faction.

Both the PDRC and the UDD employ rhetoric, but the rhetoric of the UDD is pointedly dangerous, and threatens to undermine the authority of the judicial system. That's quite a combination.

It is not the UDD that "threatens to undermine the authority of the judicial system", but rather the transparent and shameless abuse of power on the part of the drafters of the coup charter on the one hand and the judiciary on the other (note that there is significant overlap between these categories).

[hgma]

my rea tion to the header........

WHY?

[chooka]

Do they know no other words except "fight" and "battle"????

If Thaksin and Yingluck and PT has done nothing wrong or illegal, they wouldn't be facing the raft of charges they are currently. And don't give me that "politically motivated" crap, that's just deflection and a smokescreen to hide their wrongdoings.

Not as irritating as the constant cry of "Final Push"

[Yunla]

"We need to fight now or the power of our vote will be taken away forever by the elite."

Re; this quote and all the combat-training in the OP, this really is some blindfold-wearing situation. They are not risking their lives on the streets - and the lives of others, for Yingluck or the PTP, or even the votes that were cast. All the power and money is Thaksin, so when you do your martial training and take life-insurance incase you die in the "protest", you are doing all this for a spineless suit cowering safely in his desert kingdom many miles away from the bloodshed in the streets. This is the problem, the reds are not risking life and limb for democracy, or even for Yingluck, they are doing it for a total scoundrel who shouldn't even be trusted to sweep the road.

I agree with the OP and other posters with regards to the votes, it is wrong that people's voting is violated in any way, be that by toppling an elected party, or by blocking voting stations. But I disagree with the solution of violent seiges, and also with the idea that the mass-poverty agrarian people should continue to back PTP after PTP have clearly demonstrated they are monopolicy and literally only exist to benefit the dune loon.

People backing the Dems / Suthep, should really look at forming a new party and aim their policies at the moderate voters. The people who vote PTP should do the same, make a new party with new leadership, representing the struggling working and middle classes all across Thailand. There are a lot of people who would be energised to vote if there were moderate progressive main parties, and if they both compete over the moderate progressive issues, this competition - like capitalism - will force them to push their game to higher levels in order to compete for votes. This is the spirit of democracy ; progress through consensus, which can only be achieved in the moderate political "sweet spot" - this can not be achieved by giving emergency mouth-to-mouth to keep dead parties alive forever, or taking to the streets as martyrs to protect those rotting relic parties.

[ggold]

"We need to fight now or the power of our vote will be taken away forever by the elite."

Re; this quote and all the combat-training in the OP, this really is some blindfold-wearing situation. They are not risking their lives on the streets - and the lives of others, for Yingluck or the PTP, or even the votes that were cast. All the power and money is Thaksin, so when you do your martial training and take life-insurance incase you die in the "protest", you are doing all this for a spineless suit cowering safely in his desert kingdom many miles away from the bloodshed in the streets. This is the problem, the reds are not risking life and limb for democracy, or even for Yingluck, they are doing it for a total scoundrel who shouldn't even be trusted to sweep the road.

I agree with the OP and other posters with regards to the votes, it is wrong that people's voting is violated in any way, be that by toppling an elected party, or by blocking voting stations. But I disagree with the solution of violent seiges, and also with the idea that the mass-poverty agrarian people should continue to back PTP after PTP have clearly demonstrated they are monopolicy and literally only exist to benefit the dune loon.

People backing the Dems / Suthep, should really look at forming a new party and aim their policies at the moderate voters. The people who vote PTP should do the same, make a new party with new leadership, representing the struggling working and middle classes all across Thailand. There are a lot of people who would be energised to vote if there were moderate progressive main parties, and if they both compete over the moderate progressive issues, this competition - like capitalism - will force them to push their game to higher levels in order to compete for votes. This is the spirit of democracy ; progress through consensus, which can only be achieved in the moderate political "sweet spot" - this can not be achieved by giving emergency mouth-to-mouth to keep dead parties alive forever, or taking to the streets as martyrs to protect those rotting relic parties.

unfortunately their idea of a higher level is crazier populist policies that bankrupt the nation!

[chooka]

"We need to fight now or the power of our vote will be taken away forever by the elite."

He is ready to fight to the death for a lie told by Thaksin's propagandists.

I think people are rightfully scared of an uncertain future and not alleged propaganda. Suthep hasn't told them anything all he has said reforms then elections. What are the reforms exactly why not release the draft for people to see instead of keeping it secret? How long will these reforms take before people are given their voting rights back, 1 month, 1 year, 50 yrs? People need to be informed and not treated like mushrooms. Stop with all the secrecy on the plans you have for others.

[tezzainoz]

"I voted for Yingluck, now I want to protect her," said Pradit Viengdindam, a 54-year-old street vendor who recently bought life insurance in case his two children are left with no father.

Insurance do not pay if it hapend in a riot, war etc ...

Don't you feel sorry for this guy

First they take mis rice off him

Then they Take his Vote off him

Then his beloved queen gets taken away

and if he fights for her and dies, his insurance will no pay up

so even this will be taken away

and he thinks he is backing the right side

Does the word masochist come to mind

[tezzainoz]

"We need to fight now or the power of our vote will be taken away forever by the elite."

He is ready to fight to the death for a lie told by Thaksin's propagandists.

I think people are rightfully scared of an uncertain future and not alleged propaganda. Suthep hasn't told them anything all he has said reforms then elections. What are the reforms exactly why not release the draft for people to see instead of keeping it secret? How long will these reforms take before people are given their voting rights back, 1 month, 1 year, 50 yrs? People need to be informed and not treated like mushrooms. Stop with all the secrecy on the plans you have for others.

You talk again and again as if it is Suthep that will make the reforms

this is because it fits your agenda

you close your eyes to the fact that Suthep has said again and again he will not be part of the reform proccess

Reform will be diced by the Thai People

but again this fact if you admit it to your self will make all you postings (deleted from post)

[chooka]

"We need to fight now or the power of our vote will be taken away forever by the elite."

He is ready to fight to the death for a lie told by Thaksin's propagandists.

I think people are rightfully scared of an uncertain future and not alleged propaganda. Suthep hasn't told them anything all he has said reforms then elections. What are the reforms exactly why not release the draft for people to see instead of keeping it secret? How long will these reforms take before people are given their voting rights back, 1 month, 1 year, 50 yrs? People need to be informed and not treated like mushrooms. Stop with all the secrecy on the plans you have for others.

You talk again and again as if it is Suthep that will make the reforms

this is because it fits your agenda

you close your eyes to the fact that Suthep has said again and again he will not be part of the reform proccess

Reform will be diced by the Thai People

but again this fact if you admit it to your self will make all you postings (deleted from post)

The guy is a sleazy, slimy little weasel and I wouldn't trust a single thing he says, the gulable may but I don't trust him. I despise the man as much as I depise Thaksin.

[issanaus]

http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/ Interesting page. Includes

Red Shirts buying foreign workers at MAESOT ,Thai Burma Border from Burma Myanmar for the Protest Bangkok

And here are the toilet signs, slightly suspect, I wonder how many Burmese are coming and how much they are getting paid ? I bet they get paid less than tyhe Thai citizens. Typical Shin tactics, to lie and cheat and think money can solve everything. Whatever number of people they get, they have lost already now the truth is out...

Jeeze that was an even better link Tingtong,I didn't realize how much the Burmese are interested in Thai politics and how much influence the Shins have there,some of the pics are very graphic and that surprised me from a so called press controlled country certainly a page to bookmark we can thank Phil for demanding a link 2 mins on google and another view of the situation opens up.

The Burmese military would never allow the site to exist if they had the ability - there is not a free press in Burma.

The situation of the Burmese refugees in Thailand is such that a promise of a work permit and access to basic health/education (if we stay in power) would have been enough.

i can not say how concerned this development is making me - do your own research (start here http://www.khrg.org/ ) then apply what you know/believe of the ethics of some of the players in the current Thai political situation.

[Yunla]

The guy is a sleazy, slimy little weasel and I wouldn't trust a single thing he says, the gulable may but I don't trust him. I despise the man as much as I depise Thaksin.

The truth is that while Suthep has stated many times he will not be in the new ruling Council, he will certainly be the "hero of the revolution" and his wishes will be honoured in every action the Council takes. He will be similar to Thaksin in that regard, officially not involved in the PTP, but of course a distant Yoda-like figure who is seen as a wise elder by the party he gave birth to.

In any case the whole "Suthep doesn't want to be leader" is a massive distraction from the fact that the Council would be unelected and came to power not by votes but by the blocking of votes, blocking traffic and commerce, and by loss of life. Even though many of the deaths were caused by PCAD's opponents, some were caused by PCAD too. And that is why humans established debate-systems and the system of voting, it was to stop people killing each other. When you debate and cast votes, people don't die as much as they do in factional conflicts. Suthep has overlooked this fact. And again the obvious question is why doesn't he form an electable party, or reform the Dems, to defeat PTP at the voting booth. PTP are less popular than ever, ripe for a righteous trouncing, and yet Suthep doesn't engage them politically. He doesn't want to make a real democratic party that appeals to the concerns of normal working citizens, and wins huge popular support and gets to wear the shiny hat post-election. To me that makes his motivations extremely suspect.

Edited April 4, 2014 by Yunla

[ppmacready]

Do they know no other words except "fight" and "battle"????

If Thaksin and Yingluck and PT has done nothing wrong or illegal, they wouldn't be facing the raft of charges they are currently. And don't give me that "politically motivated" crap, that's just deflection and a smokescreen to hide their wrongdoings.

All the Thai Governments are corrupt, but are-

The red shirts democratically elected each time because of the elite yellow shirts perpetuating a backward education system all these years?

The Elite right wing are not able to accept democracy as it erodes the power they have held for century's over the uneducated poor.

One way or another, elite royalist yellow shirts and the poorer uneducated red shirts have been fighting for or against democracy for decades around the world.

There aren't ANY country's around the world where the elitists in the end win outright.

Yet subtly ( not a word the Thais are YET familiar with ) ''they'' remain in control.

Education is the ONLY way forward.So I feel we have decades of problems to follow.

Until you change the education system here, its going to be ground hog day for a very long time to come.

Meanwhile the yellow shirts have got what they wished for.

An uneducated people to control.

They just didn't bank on it being a red shirt controlling them.

You seem to forget that the 2001 - 2006 period, 2008 and 2011 till now with Thaksin 'inspired' governments the only need for education improvement seems to have been to make sure foreign companies would still find a cheap workforce in Thailand.

In any case, the road to democracy is not painless.

Its a shame when the elite yellow shirts were sent abroad to study, they either didn't study world history or more likely ignored it!

The Royalists have watched the equivalent of yellow shirts fighting red shirts, all around them for the past 100 years.

With the red shirts heavily blooding the nose of all the elitist governments.

Russia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Burma.

The Thais were in a vantage point to ''learn something'' constructive.

They choose to hang on to power by sub standardly educating the population, whilst sending their own children to study abroad.

I agree the political situations have not matured YET in this part of Asia or even some parts of Europe!

Once again our European political history shows democracy is not an over night affair.

Please look at the Spanish civil war that began in 1936, the years leading up to it, and now present day.

“When the old refuses to die, and the new is struggling to be born, monsters appear.”

If you live with Thais, the problem is simple to understand.

They are childish, arrogant, backward educationally,irrational, unfair and illogical by nurture.

The Red shirt leadership arrogantly expect Thaksin to get a pardon.

Just as arrogantly, the yellow shirts believe only they can run the country effectively.

Educationally treating the general Thai population as mushrooms.

Both sides are as corrupt as each other.

Neither side can logically sit down to mediate as their both so full of that proud Thainess!

Maybe the UN will get both sides to sit down and talk and bring about a very temporary peace.

But look what Chamlong said about any UN verdict over The Preah Vihear Temple dispute.

"This government wants to sell our country and our territory," Chamlong Srimuang, a PAD leader who has helped to topple governments, told reporters prior to the verdict.

"Thais believe in justice but why should we listen to the world court's ruling?"

When the inevitable event, even the Thais dread occurs, I think the gloves will come of and that dreadful Thainess that we love to take the piss out off, will showcase to the world, the hidden side of the Land of smiles.

''Nobody in the world,

Nobody in history,

has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them'' Assata Shakur

[Longtooth]

"I voted for Yingluck, now I want to protect her," said Pradit Viengdindam, a 54-year-old street vendor who recently bought life insurance in case his two children are left with no father.

I believe life insurance will not pay for death due to acts of war or civil war.

[Tatsujin]

Do they know no other words except "fight" and "battle"????

If Thaksin and Yingluck and PT has done nothing wrong or illegal, they wouldn't be facing the raft of charges they are currently. And don't give me that "politically motivated" crap, that's just deflection and a smokescreen to hide their wrongdoings.

Not as irritating as the constant cry of "Final Push"

Yeah, that ranks up there with "politically motivated", "electoral majority", "we're innocent", "we've done nothing wrong", "police are investigating", "I'm too busy gathering support to give testimony", "I've hurt my ankle", "I wasn't there so it's got nothing to do with me", "there is no corruption" and the best "peaceful red shirt protestors".

[oldsailor35]

Do they know no other words except "fight" and "battle"????

If Thaksin and Yingluck and PT has done nothing wrong or illegal, they wouldn't be facing the raft of charges they are currently. And don't give me that "politically motivated" crap, that's just deflection and a smokescreen to hide their wrongdoings.

Yes disgusting is'nt it ! They should not be allowed to gather, after all we do have Sutheps armed thugs to protect the public, maybe they do occaisionally make simple mistakes like abducting and roughing up the odd female , beating anyone with opposition to their thoughts nearly to death, in fact leaving him for dead hands bound in a river, or grabbing a young guy by the throat because he was going against their orders and just trying to vote............Thugs yes ! but nice guys really, who surely know what is best for all.

[Tatsujin]

Do they know no other words except "fight" and "battle"????

If Thaksin and Yingluck and PT has done nothing wrong or illegal, they wouldn't be facing the raft of charges they are currently. And don't give me that "politically motivated" crap, that's just deflection and a smokescreen to hide their wrongdoings.

Yes disgusting is'nt it ! They should not be allowed to gather, after all we do have Sutheps armed thugs to protect the public, maybe they do occaisionally make simple mistakes like abducting and roughing up the odd female , beating anyone with opposition to their thoughts nearly to death, in fact leaving him for dead hands bound in a river, or grabbing a young guy by the throat because he was going against their orders and just trying to vote............Thugs yes ! but nice guys really, who surely know what is best for all.

With an unclouded mind, it's easy to see based on past events which side has committed most acts of violence.

Both sides have "thugs", however it's clear to see which side thrives on threats, intimidation and violence.

[oldsailor35]

Good luck Yingluck don't give up, only about 15 Million counting on you (Sethup about 50,000)

Correction, 8 million voted for her party last election.

Correction #2..............Jollyman did not mention votes, only people

[tezzainoz]

"We need to fight now or the power of our vote will be taken away forever by the elite."

He is ready to fight to the death for a lie told by Thaksin's propagandists.

I think people are rightfully scared of an uncertain future and not alleged propaganda. Suthep hasn't told them anything all he has said reforms then elections. What are the reforms exactly why not release the draft for people to see instead of keeping it secret? How long will these reforms take before people are given their voting rights back, 1 month, 1 year, 50 yrs? People need to be informed and not treated like mushrooms. Stop with all the secrecy on the plans you have for others.

You talk again and again as if it is Suthep that will make the reforms

this is because it fits your agenda

you close your eyes to the fact that Suthep has said again and again he will not be part of the reform proccess

Reform will be diced by the Thai People

but again this fact if you admit it to your self will make all you postings (deleted from post)

The guy is a sleazy, slimy little weasel and I wouldn't trust a single thing he says, the gulable may but I don't trust him. I despise the man as much as I depise Thaksin.

Great we both agree on that and my wife and friends say the same thing

But he is being used as a front liner by people in the back ground who are 2-3 times more power full

and are keeping their hand clean so their is no backlash on them when all is done

[Dogmatix]

It's interesting to note the Post's comments today that Labour Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Capo di Tutti Capi Pol Captain Dr Chalerm Yoobamrung LLD has just relaxed regulations on overstaying labourers from neighbouring countries prior to ordering Labour Ministry officials to encourage factory owners in the Mahachai area to send their Burmese workers to join the red shirt rehearsal rally in Aksa Road. One can imagine that the relaxed regulations might not apply to factory owners who decline this kind invitation.

Perhaps this is a sign of a new government policy forcing allowing foreigners to participate openly in Thai gutter street politics. Satish Seghal should be pleased.

Edited April 5, 2014 by Dogmatix