Jatuporn: UDD plans prolonged rally after Songkran

[northernjohn]

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Ahh, a new holder of the perception management playbook.

It's all been said a million times before and refuted a million times before. Get a new play book with some new lines.

By the way, why / how have the one million poor unpaid farmers been silenced?

By the way, what has the paymaster or the fake pm ever said (in 10 plus years) in terms of policies, or actions, which would gain a much better quality of life for a very large % of ALL Thais through their own productivity.

By the way, I've asked G'kid the same questions many times. He never responds, I guess that means he has no answers.

Reform before elections.

What question have you asked? You have 3 "by the ways" in your statement such that whatever it is you are asking, it is difficult to comprehend.

The forum has argued the programs of the former PM Thaksin ad nauseum. Do we really need a rehash? You and your friends refuse to acknowledge any of the positive programs or policies of the former Thaksin government. You will focus on the current handful of farmer suicides, but won't acknowledge that the largest decrease in farmer suicides occurred during the Thaksin period and that the current rate is consistent with that of the past 5 years. You raise the issue of corruption. No one has ever denied that there was corruption during the Thaksin period. However, you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that it was a continuation of a behaviour one saw in the previous dictatorships, and was repeated by the military junta and the Abhisit regime. It is a reflection of Thai social customs and behaviour. Under the Thaksin model, the people benefiting were more likely to be outside the junta and democrat party strongholds of the southern triangle of corruption and this has rubbed the former beneficiaries the wrong way.

You are all for the current judiciary and its rulings, but you refuse to even acknowledge that the people making the decisions were appointed by the former military dictatorship and/or Abhisit regime. The judiciary's independence is questionable. All of the above contribute to the presence of the UDD.

How can one have an intelligent discussion if you and others wish to assign two colours to everything; Black and white, when we all know that Thailand is distinguished by a broad range of shades of grey? You still don't understand that the UDD was an umbrella group that represented multiple views. There are factions in the UDD that loathe Thaksin and if the opportunity arose, would shove him under the proverbial bus. The relationship between the UDD and the PTP is one of political convenience, and is far less close than the relationship was between PAD and the democrat party at the height of PAD activity. The PDRC organizers and financial backers are for the most part lifted out of Suthep's former political organization back when he was the key organizer and fundraiser for the party. No one in the UDD has either that potent influence or power

Despite what you claim, the UDD operates in large part by consensus and reflects the social divisions that exist between the people of Surin, Ubon, Udon, Chiang Mai etc. You and others see the UDD as a homogeneous group, but it is not. Because of the UDD characteristics, the leader isn't so much as a leader as a consensus builder who must then shout above the regional voices to let everyone know where they are going.

You fall back on the insulting of Jatuporn because it is the easiest thing to do. Never under estimate the man as he is street smart, and has a good sense of what's in the minds and hearts of the UDD support base. The same applies to Suthep, These are guys who have built support and organizations from the ground up. Jatuporn is far more in tune with the people than is Thaksin. The same for Suthep in comparison to Abhisit. Yet both are used by the political parties to which they are affiliated. Jatuporn scares and intimidates many TVFers. They have never met him. Jatuporn is quick with a warm smile and a handshake like a vice grip. Unlike many Thais, he's mastered the art of looking a foreigner in the eye and talking in manner that is to the point, and that conveys determination. Perhaps some TVFers don't like him because he's not willing to play the role of the effeminate subservient bar boy or service trade worker forced to kiss people's buttocks in order to keep a minimum wage job.

You and others in TVF make the assumption of many foreigners that Thailand's political "leaders" are omnipotent. They are not. When the time or circumstances are right, Thaksin will be abandoned by his people. He is being used, just as Jatuporn and the UDD are being used, just as the PDRC is being used and just as Abhisit's continued presence is tolerated by the backroom of the party. This is why Thaksin relies so heavily on family. In Thailand, loyalties change on a baht, and only a family member can bring "loyalty", which even then can waver. This is how it works in Asia, and how it has always worked. Power relies on family, then village connection & long time friendships s and their relatives. It is why the PTP has such staying power, and why Suthep has it too. One could argue that the Suthep power base structure shares many of the same characteristics of the Thaksin powerbase structure. The Abhisit Bangkok urban power model does not. It relies on force by the military and by appointments of backers and beneficiaries into key societal managerial roles like the judiciary. The future of Thailand is more of Suthep and Thaksin style "leaders" until such time as the quasi feudal style of life changes.

"The relationship between the UDD and the PTP is one of political convenience..."

So please share:

What's convenient / good for the UDD from their relationship with the PTP, and

Please share what's convenient / good for PTP from their relationship with UDD.

"You raise the issue of corruption. No one has ever denied that there was corruption during the Thaksin period. However, you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that it was a continuation of a behaviour one saw in the previous dictatorships, and was repeated by the military junta and the Abhisit regime. It is a reflection of Thai social customs and behaviour. "

Really, so you think the beyond massive corruption in the rice scam is just 'normal'?

yes you are right it did continue during the Abhist term in office.

I would not call a minority Government a regime.

Maybe you were unaware of the fact that even though Abhist did not have complete control and the opposition had and used an armed militia against him that he was able to halt the rise of corruption. As soon as he left office they continued on their upward path under the Shinawatra clan's leadership. They did in fact grow 2% in 2013. That is a lot of money. It forced them to get rid of the debt that all the previous governments had been paying for the 1997 fiasco and then seek 2.2 trillion baht over and above the normal budget.

To be blunt about it under Abhist the country had a chance even with his mistakes. If he had the support the Shinawatra regime has he could have done a lot more for the country.

[northernjohn]

GK appears to be someone desperate to be acknowledged as an expert, a poor man's Graham Greene of Thailand. Someone jaded and cynical and so much above the rest of the mere mortals who post on TV. And, here, he goes at it with Jatuporn. The UDD leader, you must understand, according to GK, is a superior leader of subtle wit and forthright honesty, which all the rest of us--not being the all-knowing plutocrat that only one truly wise one on this forum is--on TV are simply unable to understand, especially as we don't enjoy GK's self-described "elite connections" and insider knowledge. Yes, this Jatuporn who looks "a foreigner in the eye," gives a "warm smile," and "conveys determination." Why, heck, sort of sounds like Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, doesn't he? A true leader of the people, a man of infinite dimensions that all the silly farangs (we poor deluded fools) can never understand, because we're always expecting to deal with some "effeminate subservient bar boy." What a bunch of smarmy mush.

Instead of criticizing me why don't you counter the arguments I offered? If you feel inadequate because of your limited life experiences, and education, well, that's your cross to bear. Don't take it out on me because you are a marginalized foreigner in Thailand, unable to control his own destiny. Have you met Jatuporn? Have you spoken with him? How can you make statements about his character when all that you know is gleaned from 2 English language publications? If you are intimidated by Jatuporn, or other Thai males who have a sense of purpose and self discipline, that's your problem. If circumstances were different, and he was in the Democrat party, you'd be singing his praises as a man's man, a visionary with the strength and determination to "save" Thailand. I see him for what he is, and he shares some personality traits with the executives of my own past employers. They were celebrated as great leaders. I didn't agree, but I was entitled to my opinion.

I have never claimed "elite connections". However, anyone who is gainfully employed in a larger business, or who has some skills of value, or who has friends or relatives in Thailand, is at some point going to meet the Thai "elites". They are everywhere. Sometimes they rear end you when they are drunk and you are stopped at a traffic light. Other times, one of their kids is puking off the balcony splattering bystanders below (yes, it happened in Patong). Sometimes you meet them at work or at a social function. Not everyone hangs out in a beer bar, or is a retiree cut off from daily life. Thailand has social functions of varying importance every week, whether they are trade banquets, or celebrations or charitable fundraisers. I suggest you get invited to a few of them and meet the people and listen. Not all of the "elites" are selfish and cruel Bangkok dwellers, and not all of the UDD leaders are violent commies.

Sorry GK did not read all your nonsense got as far as two English speaking news papers and stopped.

Now if you had been honest and mentioned the many u tube videos of him I would have continued on.

[Publicus]

After all the complaints about the anti-Govt protests from the red shirt supporters these past months, I'm surprised they don't now see the hypocrisy in these new PT/UDD lead protests. We're one step closer to civil war.

The anti-government protesters, many of whose leaders could go suck an egg, as far as I'm concerned, at least targeted public/government buildings in government districts of Bangkok. This UDD occupation is targeting a religious area. Not just the park but the entire district is under royal protection as a religious district. This is the UDD version of the Bolsheviks confiscating the churches and turning them into museums of Communism.

You guys always burn the roast but this one is really straight out of the oven .

Absolutely OTT.

[smedly]

Geriatric Kid, well said, one of the few people who understand the real situation here. The Suthep lovers are just so much 'fog' that has to be ignored. Interestingly many of the people discussing the uneducated masses cannot spell properly. Impossible to take these people's opinions seriously. Most people who shout freedom, free will etc have a bias towards their masters; the great and powerful ammart of all countries and when a voice like GK's appears they are determined to shut it down. Perhaps Thaksin was corrupt? Was he more corrupt than any other politician before or since? it's not important because he did one thing no other politician has done and at least gave the poor and uneducated a ghost of a chance. That cannot be tolerated in the world plan that feeds on the cheap labour of others. You anti-Thaksin slaves go back to browsing, buying guns and pizza and growling about freedom now.

Taksin was the most corrupt politician of all time in Thailand, he play with poverty of northern people to sit his power.

In 2010 he launch terrorist in Bangkok for provoke unrest and topple all institution for in own profit. In 2014 his reds follower launch different attack on his opponent, killing children and innocent people.

You can love Taksin his not my problem, If you think is a good man is your opinion, but the reality is so far of your wish.

A lot of issan people understand now that Taksin, YL and PT are cheating them, rice scheme is the bigger example, a big corruption where some actual minister are benefit.

you are 100% right my friend, rather than just like your post I thought I would endorse it in person, few words but every one is correct and most of the Thai people now know this

I believe we can thank social media for this change as now the people are better informed of the truth, the red PTP Thaksin machine is not as effective as it was 4 tears ago, I don't take sides in this current debacle but I do know what is right and wrong and it seems the good people of Thailand are seeing too -morality is starting to overtake greed and corruption in this land and it's good to see, Thaksins money is getting less and less popular and at the end of the day he robbed it off the Thai people in the first place - people are very obviously sick of it

[15Peter20]

Ahh, a new holder of the perception management playbook.

It's all been said a million times before and refuted a million times before. Get a new play book with some new lines.

By the way, why / how have the one million poor unpaid farmers been silenced?

By the way, what has the paymaster or the fake pm ever said (in 10 plus years) in terms of policies, or actions, which would gain a much better quality of life for a very large % of ALL Thais through their own productivity.

By the way, I've asked G'kid the same questions many times. He never responds, I guess that means he has no answers.

Reform before elections.

What question have you asked? You have 3 "by the ways" in your statement such that whatever it is you are asking, it is difficult to comprehend.

The forum has argued the programs of the former PM Thaksin ad nauseum. Do we really need a rehash? You and your friends refuse to acknowledge any of the positive programs or policies of the former Thaksin government. You will focus on the current handful of farmer suicides, but won't acknowledge that the largest decrease in farmer suicides occurred during the Thaksin period and that the current rate is consistent with that of the past 5 years. You raise the issue of corruption. No one has ever denied that there was corruption during the Thaksin period. However, you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that it was a continuation of a behaviour one saw in the previous dictatorships, and was repeated by the military junta and the Abhisit regime. It is a reflection of Thai social customs and behaviour. Under the Thaksin model, the people benefiting were more likely to be outside the junta and democrat party strongholds of the southern triangle of corruption and this has rubbed the former beneficiaries the wrong way.

You are all for the current judiciary and its rulings, but you refuse to even acknowledge that the people making the decisions were appointed by the former military dictatorship and/or Abhisit regime. The judiciary's independence is questionable. All of the above contribute to the presence of the UDD.

How can one have an intelligent discussion if you and others wish to assign two colours to everything; Black and white, when we all know that Thailand is distinguished by a broad range of shades of grey? You still don't understand that the UDD was an umbrella group that represented multiple views. There are factions in the UDD that loathe Thaksin and if the opportunity arose, would shove him under the proverbial bus. The relationship between the UDD and the PTP is one of political convenience, and is far less close than the relationship was between PAD and the democrat party at the height of PAD activity. The PDRC organizers and financial backers are for the most part lifted out of Suthep's former political organization back when he was the key organizer and fundraiser for the party. No one in the UDD has either that potent influence or power

Despite what you claim, the UDD operates in large part by consensus and reflects the social divisions that exist between the people of Surin, Ubon, Udon, Chiang Mai etc. You and others see the UDD as a homogeneous group, but it is not. Because of the UDD characteristics, the leader isn't so much as a leader as a consensus builder who must then shout above the regional voices to let everyone know where they are going.

You fall back on the insulting of Jatuporn because it is the easiest thing to do. Never under estimate the man as he is street smart, and has a good sense of what's in the minds and hearts of the UDD support base. The same applies to Suthep, These are guys who have built support and organizations from the ground up. Jatuporn is far more in tune with the people than is Thaksin. The same for Suthep in comparison to Abhisit. Yet both are used by the political parties to which they are affiliated. Jatuporn scares and intimidates many TVFers. They have never met him. Jatuporn is quick with a warm smile and a handshake like a vice grip. Unlike many Thais, he's mastered the art of looking a foreigner in the eye and talking in manner that is to the point, and that conveys determination. Perhaps some TVFers don't like him because he's not willing to play the role of the effeminate subservient bar boy or service trade worker forced to kiss people's buttocks in order to keep a minimum wage job.

You and others in TVF make the assumption of many foreigners that Thailand's political "leaders" are omnipotent. They are not. When the time or circumstances are right, Thaksin will be abandoned by his people. He is being used, just as Jatuporn and the UDD are being used, just as the PDRC is being used and just as Abhisit's continued presence is tolerated by the backroom of the party. This is why Thaksin relies so heavily on family. In Thailand, loyalties change on a baht, and only a family member can bring "loyalty", which even then can waver. This is how it works in Asia, and how it has always worked. Power relies on family, then village connection & long time friendships s and their relatives. It is why the PTP has such staying power, and why Suthep has it too. One could argue that the Suthep power base structure shares many of the same characteristics of the Thaksin powerbase structure. The Abhisit Bangkok urban power model does not. It relies on force by the military and by appointments of backers and beneficiaries into key societal managerial roles like the judiciary. The future of Thailand is more of Suthep and Thaksin style "leaders" until such time as the quasi feudal style of life changes.

GK - thanks so much for this. Totally agree. Hope the extent to which you share you views is not limited to this yellow ghetto, where they are pretty much wasted.

[Publicus]

Ahh, a new holder of the perception management playbook.

It's all been said a million times before and refuted a million times before. Get a new play book with some new lines.

By the way, why / how have the one million poor unpaid farmers been silenced?

By the way, what has the paymaster or the fake pm ever said (in 10 plus years) in terms of policies, or actions, which would gain a much better quality of life for a very large % of ALL Thais through their own productivity.

By the way, I've asked G'kid the same questions many times. He never responds, I guess that means he has no answers.

Reform before elections.

What question have you asked? You have 3 "by the ways" in your statement such that whatever it is you are asking, it is difficult to comprehend.

The forum has argued the programs of the former PM Thaksin ad nauseum. Do we really need a rehash? You and your friends refuse to acknowledge any of the positive programs or policies of the former Thaksin government. You will focus on the current handful of farmer suicides, but won't acknowledge that the largest decrease in farmer suicides occurred during the Thaksin period and that the current rate is consistent with that of the past 5 years. You raise the issue of corruption. No one has ever denied that there was corruption during the Thaksin period. However, you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that it was a continuation of a behaviour one saw in the previous dictatorships, and was repeated by the military junta and the Abhisit regime. It is a reflection of Thai social customs and behaviour. Under the Thaksin model, the people benefiting were more likely to be outside the junta and democrat party strongholds of the southern triangle of corruption and this has rubbed the former beneficiaries the wrong way.

You are all for the current judiciary and its rulings, but you refuse to even acknowledge that the people making the decisions were appointed by the former military dictatorship and/or Abhisit regime. The judiciary's independence is questionable. All of the above contribute to the presence of the UDD.

How can one have an intelligent discussion if you and others wish to assign two colours to everything; Black and white, when we all know that Thailand is distinguished by a broad range of shades of grey? You still don't understand that the UDD was an umbrella group that represented multiple views. There are factions in the UDD that loathe Thaksin and if the opportunity arose, would shove him under the proverbial bus. The relationship between the UDD and the PTP is one of political convenience, and is far less close than the relationship was between PAD and the democrat party at the height of PAD activity. The PDRC organizers and financial backers are for the most part lifted out of Suthep's former political organization back when he was the key organizer and fundraiser for the party. No one in the UDD has either that potent influence or power

Despite what you claim, the UDD operates in large part by consensus and reflects the social divisions that exist between the people of Surin, Ubon, Udon, Chiang Mai etc. You and others see the UDD as a homogeneous group, but it is not. Because of the UDD characteristics, the leader isn't so much as a leader as a consensus builder who must then shout above the regional voices to let everyone know where they are going.

You fall back on the insulting of Jatuporn because it is the easiest thing to do. Never under estimate the man as he is street smart, and has a good sense of what's in the minds and hearts of the UDD support base. The same applies to Suthep, These are guys who have built support and organizations from the ground up. Jatuporn is far more in tune with the people than is Thaksin. The same for Suthep in comparison to Abhisit. Yet both are used by the political parties to which they are affiliated. Jatuporn scares and intimidates many TVFers. They have never met him. Jatuporn is quick with a warm smile and a handshake like a vice grip. Unlike many Thais, he's mastered the art of looking a foreigner in the eye and talking in manner that is to the point, and that conveys determination. Perhaps some TVFers don't like him because he's not willing to play the role of the effeminate subservient bar boy or service trade worker forced to kiss people's buttocks in order to keep a minimum wage job.

You and others in TVF make the assumption of many foreigners that Thailand's political "leaders" are omnipotent. They are not. When the time or circumstances are right, Thaksin will be abandoned by his people. He is being used, just as Jatuporn and the UDD are being used, just as the PDRC is being used and just as Abhisit's continued presence is tolerated by the backroom of the party. This is why Thaksin relies so heavily on family. In Thailand, loyalties change on a baht, and only a family member can bring "loyalty", which even then can waver. This is how it works in Asia, and how it has always worked. Power relies on family, then village connection & long time friendships s and their relatives. It is why the PTP has such staying power, and why Suthep has it too. One could argue that the Suthep power base structure shares many of the same characteristics of the Thaksin powerbase structure. The Abhisit Bangkok urban power model does not. It relies on force by the military and by appointments of backers and beneficiaries into key societal managerial roles like the judiciary. The future of Thailand is more of Suthep and Thaksin style "leaders" until such time as the quasi feudal style of life changes.

Amen.

I want to post this to every thread, every day from now until this might end, but there is a posting rule about that which needs be honored.

The post directly confronts the same-o and same-o ridiculous posts by the same usual far right suspects, most of their posts being consistently OTT and most recently going doubled down OTT.

The Far Right Wing Majority at TVF are indefatigable in their reactionary obsession to reconstruct the feudal order to withstand modernity. The cost of their madness will get higher yet, much higher, which is the tragedy of Thailand.

[Skywalker69]

Shouldn't that toad be behind bars?

Please don't compare that odious criminal to toads.

As an herpetologist I 100% agree, to me he is nothing but a maggot. No spine.

[Skywalker69]

Does Jatuporn have any political ideology, and understanding of democracy? What have his contributions to developing democracy been?

Anyone car to give an answer?

Also for The Thai Rouge supporters, have the farmers been paid yet? Spalpeen continued to avoid that question yesterday.

Does Jatuporn have any political ideology, and understanding of democracy?

For that he would be in need of a brain. So no he don´t have a political ideology and don´t understan democracy.

[Skywalker69]

Geriatric Kid, well said, one of the few people who understand the real situation here. The Suthep lovers are just so much 'fog' that has to be ignored. Interestingly many of the people discussing the uneducated masses cannot spell properly. Impossible to take these people's opinions seriously. Most people who shout freedom, free will etc have a bias towards their masters; the great and powerful ammart of all countries and when a voice like GK's appears they are determined to shut it down. Perhaps Thaksin was corrupt? Was he more corrupt than any other politician before or since? it's not important because he did one thing no other politician has done and at least gave the poor and uneducated a ghost of a chance. That cannot be tolerated in the world plan that feeds on the cheap labour of others. You anti-Thaksin slaves go back to browsing, buying guns and pizza and growling about freedom now.

Interestingly many of the people discussing the uneducated masses cannot spell properly. Impossible to take these people's opinions seriously.

Learn that TV members comes from all parts of the World and all doesn´t have english as a native language. Shame on you sir.

[mikemac]

Geriatric Kid, well said, one of the few people who understand the real situation here. The Suthep lovers are just so much 'fog' that has to be ignored. Interestingly many of the people discussing the uneducated masses cannot spell properly. Impossible to take these people's opinions seriously. Most people who shout freedom, free will etc have a bias towards their masters; the great and powerful ammart of all countries and when a voice like GK's appears they are determined to shut it down. Perhaps Thaksin was corrupt? Was he more corrupt than any other politician before or since? it's not important because he did one thing no other politician has done and at least gave the poor and uneducated a ghost of a chance. That cannot be tolerated in the world plan that feeds on the cheap labour of others. You anti-Thaksin slaves go back to browsing, buying guns and pizza and growling about freedom now.

Who's this clown ?

( The most cutting remark I could think of when I read his PTP propaganda textbook comment, because -

A. He is a clown, and

B. He is not even one of the better known ones

But seriously, regarding his inane post, I have read better stuff on paper nailed to a dunny wall.

[mikemac]

Amen.

I want to post this to every thread, every day from now until this might end, but there is a posting rule about that which needs be honored.

The post directly confronts the same-o and same-o ridiculous posts by the same usual far right suspects, most of their posts being consistently OTT and most recently going doubled down OTT.

The Far Right Wing Majority at TVF are indefatigable in their reactionary obsession to reconstruct the feudal order to withstand modernity. The cost of their madness will get higher yet, much higher, which is the tragedy of Thailand.

If one certain posting rule was adhered to, your comments would not even be posted.

[Skywalker69]

Geriatric Kid, well said, one of the few people who understand the real situation here. The Suthep lovers are just so much 'fog' that has to be ignored. Interestingly many of the people discussing the uneducated masses cannot spell properly. Impossible to take these people's opinions seriously. Most people who shout freedom, free will etc have a bias towards their masters; the great and powerful ammart of all countries and when a voice like GK's appears they are determined to shut it down. Perhaps Thaksin was corrupt? Was he more corrupt than any other politician before or since? it's not important because he did one thing no other politician has done and at least gave the poor and uneducated a ghost of a chance. That cannot be tolerated in the world plan that feeds on the cheap labour of others. You anti-Thaksin slaves go back to browsing, buying guns and pizza and growling about freedom now.

Please expand on your theory as to why people who can not spell correctly should be excluded from having their opinions taken seriously.

Are you suggesting that we should only take notice of those who believe they can write, spell, and punctuate, and are full of self importance, such as yourself. However, it would seem that you need to attend to your "writing" before criticising others.

Well said!

[mikemac]

Ahh, a new holder of the perception management playbook.

It's all been said a million times before and refuted a million times before. Get a new play book with some new lines.

By the way, why / how have the one million poor unpaid farmers been silenced?

By the way, what has the paymaster or the fake pm ever said (in 10 plus years) in terms of policies, or actions, which would gain a much better quality of life for a very large % of ALL Thais through their own productivity.

By the way, I've asked G'kid the same questions many times. He never responds, I guess that means he has no answers.

Reform before elections.

What question have you asked? You have 3 "by the ways" in your statement such that whatever it is you are asking, it is difficult to comprehend.

The forum has argued the programs of the former PM Thaksin ad nauseum. Do we really need a rehash? You and your friends refuse to acknowledge any of the positive programs or policies of the former Thaksin government. You will focus on the current handful of farmer suicides, but won't acknowledge that the largest decrease in farmer suicides occurred during the Thaksin period and that the current rate is consistent with that of the past 5 years. You raise the issue of corruption. No one has ever denied that there was corruption during the Thaksin period. However, you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that it was a continuation of a behaviour one saw in the previous dictatorships, and was repeated by the military junta and the Abhisit regime. It is a reflection of Thai social customs and behaviour. Under the Thaksin model, the people benefiting were more likely to be outside the junta and democrat party strongholds of the southern triangle of corruption and this has rubbed the former beneficiaries the wrong way.

You are all for the current judiciary and its rulings, but you refuse to even acknowledge that the people making the decisions were appointed by the former military dictatorship and/or Abhisit regime. The judiciary's independence is questionable. All of the above contribute to the presence of the UDD.

How can one have an intelligent discussion if you and others wish to assign two colours to everything; Black and white, when we all know that Thailand is distinguished by a broad range of shades of grey? You still don't understand that the UDD was an umbrella group that represented multiple views. There are factions in the UDD that loathe Thaksin and if the opportunity arose, would shove him under the proverbial bus. The relationship between the UDD and the PTP is one of political convenience, and is far less close than the relationship was between PAD and the democrat party at the height of PAD activity. The PDRC organizers and financial backers are for the most part lifted out of Suthep's former political organization back when he was the key organizer and fundraiser for the party. No one in the UDD has either that potent influence or power

Despite what you claim, the UDD operates in large part by consensus and reflects the social divisions that exist between the people of Surin, Ubon, Udon, Chiang Mai etc. You and others see the UDD as a homogeneous group, but it is not. Because of the UDD characteristics, the leader isn't so much as a leader as a consensus builder who must then shout above the regional voices to let everyone know where they are going.

You fall back on the insulting of Jatuporn because it is the easiest thing to do. Never under estimate the man as he is street smart, and has a good sense of what's in the minds and hearts of the UDD support base. The same applies to Suthep, These are guys who have built support and organizations from the ground up. Jatuporn is far more in tune with the people than is Thaksin. The same for Suthep in comparison to Abhisit. Yet both are used by the political parties to which they are affiliated. Jatuporn scares and intimidates many TVFers. They have never met him. Jatuporn is quick with a warm smile and a handshake like a vice grip. Unlike many Thais, he's mastered the art of looking a foreigner in the eye and talking in manner that is to the point, and that conveys determination. Perhaps some TVFers don't like him because he's not willing to play the role of the effeminate subservient bar boy or service trade worker forced to kiss people's buttocks in order to keep a minimum wage job.

You and others in TVF make the assumption of many foreigners that Thailand's political "leaders" are omnipotent. They are not. When the time or circumstances are right, Thaksin will be abandoned by his people. He is being used, just as Jatuporn and the UDD are being used, just as the PDRC is being used and just as Abhisit's continued presence is tolerated by the backroom of the party. This is why Thaksin relies so heavily on family. In Thailand, loyalties change on a baht, and only a family member can bring "loyalty", which even then can waver. This is how it works in Asia, and how it has always worked. Power relies on family, then village connection & long time friendships s and their relatives. It is why the PTP has such staying power, and why Suthep has it too. One could argue that the Suthep power base structure shares many of the same characteristics of the Thaksin powerbase structure. The Abhisit Bangkok urban power model does not. It relies on force by the military and by appointments of backers and beneficiaries into key societal managerial roles like the judiciary. The future of Thailand is more of Suthep and Thaksin style "leaders" until such time as the quasi feudal style of life changes.

Seriously gk, you should get out more. And talk to the people on the ground, as I do, in their language.

Interesting you mention Chiang Mai and Surin. My wife and I have lived in Chiang Mai for the past five years and her family are Surin rice farmers.

We travel to Surin quite often to visit the family, usually via Phetchabun.

What I am hearing from the people in both places is vastly different to what you are ranting and raving about. The redshirts are not as popular as you believe and the only reason some people appear to support them is out of fear.

Don't know where you are getting your information from but it sounds like the drivel published on Political Prisoners Thailand where red flag waving goons like FB copy and paste a lot of their "informed comments" from.

Wake up gk, you used to be known as a wind-up artist, now it is just becoming boring tripe.

[Publicus]

When I see this man's picture always have to think: is he dog or pig?

I don't like Jatuporn either, but do you really feel the need to lower yourself by comparing him to animals. I am sure he is loved by his mum.

Perhaps post a photo of yourself for comparison?

Your are to be commended for your post ratcatcher but I'm afraid you are dealing with The Final Solution mentality here so I wouldn't expect much of a response from the poster. I do however hold out the hope that some greater positive can come from your appeal to basic civility.

[Malone]

After the rally from Saturday to Monday, Jatuporn said red-shirt supporters would be allowed to return home to celebrate the Songkran festival after which they would come back again, this time, for a prolonged rally.

sheep·herd·er

noun \ˈshēp-ˌhər-dər\

: a person who controls a flock of sheep : a person who herds sheep

Indeed the 'allowed to return home' is interesting. I wonder how that was really said in Thai, but i'm afraid it might not be much better.

Do the red shirts first have to complete permission slips prior to being "allowed to go home"?

[zydeco]

GK appears to be someone desperate to be acknowledged as an expert, a poor man's Graham Greene of Thailand. Someone jaded and cynical and so much above the rest of the mere mortals who post on TV. And, here, he goes at it with Jatuporn. The UDD leader, you must understand, according to GK, is a superior leader of subtle wit and forthright honesty, which all the rest of us--not being the all-knowing plutocrat that only one truly wise one on this forum is--on TV are simply unable to understand, especially as we don't enjoy GK's self-described "elite connections" and insider knowledge. Yes, this Jatuporn who looks "a foreigner in the eye," gives a "warm smile," and "conveys determination." Why, heck, sort of sounds like Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, doesn't he? A true leader of the people, a man of infinite dimensions that all the silly farangs (we poor deluded fools) can never understand, because we're always expecting to deal with some "effeminate subservient bar boy." What a bunch of smarmy mush.

Instead of criticizing me why don't you counter the arguments I offered? If you feel inadequate because of your limited life experiences, and education, well, that's your cross to bear. Don't take it out on me because you are a marginalized foreigner in Thailand, unable to control his own destiny. Have you met Jatuporn? Have you spoken with him? How can you make statements about his character when all that you know is gleaned from 2 English language publications? If you are intimidated by Jatuporn, or other Thai males who have a sense of purpose and self discipline, that's your problem. If circumstances were different, and he was in the Democrat party, you'd be singing his praises as a man's man, a visionary with the strength and determination to "save" Thailand. I see him for what he is, and he shares some personality traits with the executives of my own past employers. They were celebrated as great leaders. I didn't agree, but I was entitled to my opinion.

I have never claimed "elite connections". However, anyone who is gainfully employed in a larger business, or who has some skills of value, or who has friends or relatives in Thailand, is at some point going to meet the Thai "elites". They are everywhere. Sometimes they rear end you when they are drunk and you are stopped at a traffic light. Other times, one of their kids is puking off the balcony splattering bystanders below (yes, it happened in Patong). Sometimes you meet them at work or at a social function. Not everyone hangs out in a beer bar, or is a retiree cut off from daily life. Thailand has social functions of varying importance every week, whether they are trade banquets, or celebrations or charitable fundraisers. I suggest you get invited to a few of them and meet the people and listen. Not all of the "elites" are selfish and cruel Bangkok dwellers, and not all of the UDD leaders are violent commies.

This is a rather odd post from you. An attempt to bait, while at the same time overflowing with defensiveness. Perhaps a small crack in your mirror, revealing the truth, Mr. Gray? At any rate, it's interesting to see you not only claim an expertise on all things Thai and Asian, now, but also insist on your all-knowing insight into other members' education, work status, and network of friends, family, and associates. I guess I should just call you Bwana.

[Dogmatix]

When I see this man's picture always have to think: is he dog or pig?

I don't like Jatuporn either, but do you really feel the need to lower yourself by comparing him to animals. I am sure he is loved by his mum.

Perhaps post a photo of yourself for comparison?

I understand from members of the Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand who have interviewed her that she is actually chagrined and deeply ashamed by his behaviour, if not by his appearance.

The mention of Jatuporn or Nattawut to people who come from their communities in the South is enough to make most of them fly into a rage. They are hated in their own communities and probably can't safely go back there. Nattawut bought a large range down South in his daughter's name in 2010 with his ill gotten gains but it was subjected to excrement attacks by local villagers.

[geriatrickid]

You ask a question in respect to the UDD-PTP relationship that you already know the answer to.

Booked a table for twelve, four showed up, and then two left out of embarrassment.

I remember a few scant years ago you were a staunch supporter of the rice scheme, you stated openly how it would work, and benefit all of the Thai people.

You were wrong.

Defend anything PTP say now and I will hold it in the same regard, scripted nonsense.

My position is consistent. I have never been a big believer in agricultural subsidy programs. However, a program's effectiveness must be measured over time. 2 years is insufficient time with which to pass judgement. Are their weaknesses and deficiencies? Yes. Can they be fixed? Yes. The problem that arose is that the rice subsidy program was devised during a period when there were rice shortages, and Vietnam was suffering from a serious insect infestation. When the program was introduced, Vietnam and India had bumper crops and India had its own export subsidy program in place. It was bad timing. Instead of delaying a year or two, the mistake was to go full tilt.

[geriatrickid]

When I see this man's picture always have to think: is he dog or pig?

I don't like Jatuporn either, but do you really feel the need to lower yourself by comparing him to animals. I am sure he is loved by his mum.

Perhaps post a photo of yourself for comparison?

I understand from members of the Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand who have interviewed her that she is actually chagrined and deeply ashamed by his behaviour, if not by his appearance.

The mention of Jatuporn or Nattawut to people who come from their communities in the South is enough to make most of them fly into a rage. They are hated in their own communities and probably can't safely go back there. Nattawut bought a large range down South in his daughter's name in 2010 with his ill gotten gains but it was subjected to excrement attacks by local villagers.

Are these the same people who run the transportation cartel in Phuket and refuse to allow metered taxis and public buses in the tourist areas? Are these the same people engaged in the illegal poaching and encroachment of protected areas? Are these the same people who reside in the triangle of corruption? Are these the same rubber producers who blackmailed the government for increased subsidies? It's great that these southerners have thrown excrement at fellow Thais, because it means that there was less to throw at foreign visitors as they rip them off.

[northernjohn]

Ahh, a new holder of the perception management playbook.

It's all been said a million times before and refuted a million times before. Get a new play book with some new lines.

By the way, why / how have the one million poor unpaid farmers been silenced?

By the way, what has the paymaster or the fake pm ever said (in 10 plus years) in terms of policies, or actions, which would gain a much better quality of life for a very large % of ALL Thais through their own productivity.

By the way, I've asked G'kid the same questions many times. He never responds, I guess that means he has no answers.

Reform before elections.

What question have you asked? You have 3 "by the ways" in your statement such that whatever it is you are asking, it is difficult to comprehend.

The forum has argued the programs of the former PM Thaksin ad nauseum. Do we really need a rehash? You and your friends refuse to acknowledge any of the positive programs or policies of the former Thaksin government. You will focus on the current handful of farmer suicides, but won't acknowledge that the largest decrease in farmer suicides occurred during the Thaksin period and that the current rate is consistent with that of the past 5 years. You raise the issue of corruption. No one has ever denied that there was corruption during the Thaksin period. However, you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that it was a continuation of a behaviour one saw in the previous dictatorships, and was repeated by the military junta and the Abhisit regime. It is a reflection of Thai social customs and behaviour. Under the Thaksin model, the people benefiting were more likely to be outside the junta and democrat party strongholds of the southern triangle of corruption and this has rubbed the former beneficiaries the wrong way.

You are all for the current judiciary and its rulings, but you refuse to even acknowledge that the people making the decisions were appointed by the former military dictatorship and/or Abhisit regime. The judiciary's independence is questionable. All of the above contribute to the presence of the UDD.

How can one have an intelligent discussion if you and others wish to assign two colours to everything; Black and white, when we all know that Thailand is distinguished by a broad range of shades of grey? You still don't understand that the UDD was an umbrella group that represented multiple views. There are factions in the UDD that loathe Thaksin and if the opportunity arose, would shove him under the proverbial bus. The relationship between the UDD and the PTP is one of political convenience, and is far less close than the relationship was between PAD and the democrat party at the height of PAD activity. The PDRC organizers and financial backers are for the most part lifted out of Suthep's former political organization back when he was the key organizer and fundraiser for the party. No one in the UDD has either that potent influence or power

Despite what you claim, the UDD operates in large part by consensus and reflects the social divisions that exist between the people of Surin, Ubon, Udon, Chiang Mai etc. You and others see the UDD as a homogeneous group, but it is not. Because of the UDD characteristics, the leader isn't so much as a leader as a consensus builder who must then shout above the regional voices to let everyone know where they are going.

You fall back on the insulting of Jatuporn because it is the easiest thing to do. Never under estimate the man as he is street smart, and has a good sense of what's in the minds and hearts of the UDD support base. The same applies to Suthep, These are guys who have built support and organizations from the ground up. Jatuporn is far more in tune with the people than is Thaksin. The same for Suthep in comparison to Abhisit. Yet both are used by the political parties to which they are affiliated. Jatuporn scares and intimidates many TVFers. They have never met him. Jatuporn is quick with a warm smile and a handshake like a vice grip. Unlike many Thais, he's mastered the art of looking a foreigner in the eye and talking in manner that is to the point, and that conveys determination. Perhaps some TVFers don't like him because he's not willing to play the role of the effeminate subservient bar boy or service trade worker forced to kiss people's buttocks in order to keep a minimum wage job.

You and others in TVF make the assumption of many foreigners that Thailand's political "leaders" are omnipotent. They are not. When the time or circumstances are right, Thaksin will be abandoned by his people. He is being used, just as Jatuporn and the UDD are being used, just as the PDRC is being used and just as Abhisit's continued presence is tolerated by the backroom of the party. This is why Thaksin relies so heavily on family. In Thailand, loyalties change on a baht, and only a family member can bring "loyalty", which even then can waver. This is how it works in Asia, and how it has always worked. Power relies on family, then village connection & long time friendships s and their relatives. It is why the PTP has such staying power, and why Suthep has it too. One could argue that the Suthep power base structure shares many of the same characteristics of the Thaksin powerbase structure. The Abhisit Bangkok urban power model does not. It relies on force by the military and by appointments of backers and beneficiaries into key societal managerial roles like the judiciary. The future of Thailand is more of Suthep and Thaksin style "leaders" until such time as the quasi feudal style of life changes.

Amen.

I want to post this to every thread, every day from now until this might end, but there is a posting rule about that which needs be honored.

The post directly confronts the same-o and same-o ridiculous posts by the same usual far right suspects, most of their posts being consistently OTT and most recently going doubled down OTT.

The Far Right Wing Majority at TVF are indefatigable in their reactionary obsession to reconstruct the feudal order to withstand modernity. The cost of their madness will get higher yet, much higher, which is the tragedy of Thailand.

If you have something intelligent say just spit it out. Don't let fear hold you back.

[northernjohn]

I don't like Jatuporn either, but do you really feel the need to lower yourself by comparing him to animals. I am sure he is loved by his mum.

Perhaps post a photo of yourself for comparison?

I understand from members of the Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand who have interviewed her that she is actually chagrined and deeply ashamed by his behaviour, if not by his appearance.

The mention of Jatuporn or Nattawut to people who come from their communities in the South is enough to make most of them fly into a rage. They are hated in their own communities and probably can't safely go back there. Nattawut bought a large range down South in his daughter's name in 2010 with his ill gotten gains but it was subjected to excrement attacks by local villagers.

Are these the same people who run the transportation cartel in Phuket and refuse to allow metered taxis and public buses in the tourist areas? Are these the same people engaged in the illegal poaching and encroachment of protected areas? Are these the same people who reside in the triangle of corruption? Are these the same rubber producers who blackmailed the government for increased subsidies? It's great that these southerners have thrown excrement at fellow Thais, because it means that there was less to throw at foreign visitors as they rip them off.

Getting desperate aren't you.

What is the relationship between him and his Mum.

I know mother and son but is he taking good care of her are they speaking to each other?

You know what rumors are like I had heard he did nothing for her. I recall where he claimed he never earned any thing it was all given to him. Sounds like a weirdo to me but then again I choose common sense as a guide. Just curious as you seem to admire the man I thought you would know.

[than]

After the rally from Saturday to Monday, Jatuporn said red-shirt supporters would be allowed to return home to celebrate the Songkran festival after which they would come back again, this time, for a prolonged rally.

sheep·herd·er

noun \ˈshēp-ˌhər-dər\

: a person who controls a flock of sheep : a person who herds sheep

Indeed the 'allowed to return home' is interesting. I wonder how that was really said in Thai, but i'm afraid it might not be much better.

Do the red shirts first have to complete permission slips prior to being "allowed to go home"?

It's very amazing that reds follower need to request permission to go home.... Are they really free of their move ? or are there only sheep follows the shepherd to the slaughterhouse ?

[bigbamboo]

Ahh, a new holder of the perception management playbook.

It's all been said a million times before and refuted a million times before. Get a new play book with some new lines.

By the way, why / how have the one million poor unpaid farmers been silenced?

By the way, what has the paymaster or the fake pm ever said (in 10 plus years) in terms of policies, or actions, which would gain a much better quality of life for a very large % of ALL Thais through their own productivity.

By the way, I've asked G'kid the same questions many times. He never responds, I guess that means he has no answers.

Reform before elections.

What question have you asked? You have 3 "by the ways" in your statement such that whatever it is you are asking, it is difficult to comprehend.

The forum has argued the programs of the former PM Thaksin ad nauseum. Do we really need a rehash? You and your friends refuse to acknowledge any of the positive programs or policies of the former Thaksin government. You will focus on the current handful of farmer suicides, but won't acknowledge that the largest decrease in farmer suicides occurred during the Thaksin period and that the current rate is consistent with that of the past 5 years. You raise the issue of corruption. No one has ever denied that there was corruption during the Thaksin period. However, you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that it was a continuation of a behaviour one saw in the previous dictatorships, and was repeated by the military junta and the Abhisit regime. It is a reflection of Thai social customs and behaviour. Under the Thaksin model, the people benefiting were more likely to be outside the junta and democrat party strongholds of the southern triangle of corruption and this has rubbed the former beneficiaries the wrong way.

You are all for the current judiciary and its rulings, but you refuse to even acknowledge that the people making the decisions were appointed by the former military dictatorship and/or Abhisit regime. The judiciary's independence is questionable. All of the above contribute to the presence of the UDD.

How can one have an intelligent discussion if you and others wish to assign two colours to everything; Black and white, when we all know that Thailand is distinguished by a broad range of shades of grey? You still don't understand that the UDD was an umbrella group that represented multiple views. There are factions in the UDD that loathe Thaksin and if the opportunity arose, would shove him under the proverbial bus. The relationship between the UDD and the PTP is one of political convenience, and is far less close than the relationship was between PAD and the democrat party at the height of PAD activity. The PDRC organizers and financial backers are for the most part lifted out of Suthep's former political organization back when he was the key organizer and fundraiser for the party. No one in the UDD has either that potent influence or power

Despite what you claim, the UDD operates in large part by consensus and reflects the social divisions that exist between the people of Surin, Ubon, Udon, Chiang Mai etc. You and others see the UDD as a homogeneous group, but it is not. Because of the UDD characteristics, the leader isn't so much as a leader as a consensus builder who must then shout above the regional voices to let everyone know where they are going.

You fall back on the insulting of Jatuporn because it is the easiest thing to do. Never under estimate the man as he is street smart, and has a good sense of what's in the minds and hearts of the UDD support base. The same applies to Suthep, These are guys who have built support and organizations from the ground up. Jatuporn is far more in tune with the people than is Thaksin. The same for Suthep in comparison to Abhisit. Yet both are used by the political parties to which they are affiliated. Jatuporn scares and intimidates many TVFers. They have never met him. Jatuporn is quick with a warm smile and a handshake like a vice grip. Unlike many Thais, he's mastered the art of looking a foreigner in the eye and talking in manner that is to the point, and that conveys determination. Perhaps some TVFers don't like him because he's not willing to play the role of the effeminate subservient bar boy or service trade worker forced to kiss people's buttocks in order to keep a minimum wage job.

You and others in TVF make the assumption of many foreigners that Thailand's political "leaders" are omnipotent. They are not. When the time or circumstances are right, Thaksin will be abandoned by his people. He is being used, just as Jatuporn and the UDD are being used, just as the PDRC is being used and just as Abhisit's continued presence is tolerated by the backroom of the party. This is why Thaksin relies so heavily on family. In Thailand, loyalties change on a baht, and only a family member can bring "loyalty", which even then can waver. This is how it works in Asia, and how it has always worked. Power relies on family, then village connection & long time friendships s and their relatives. It is why the PTP has such staying power, and why Suthep has it too. One could argue that the Suthep power base structure shares many of the same characteristics of the Thaksin powerbase structure. The Abhisit Bangkok urban power model does not. It relies on force by the military and by appointments of backers and beneficiaries into key societal managerial roles like the judiciary. The future of Thailand is more of Suthep and Thaksin style "leaders" until such time as the quasi feudal style of life changes.

It is certainly true that powerful leaders rely on family loyalties.... along with money and of course fear.

Works for the mafia too.

[geriatrickid]

Getting desperate aren't you.

What is the relationship between him and his Mum.

I know mother and son but is he taking good care of her are they speaking to each other?

You know what rumors are like I had heard he did nothing for her. I recall where he claimed he never earned any thing it was all given to him. Sounds like a weirdo to me but then again I choose common sense as a guide. Just curious as you seem to admire the man I thought you would know.

Desperate? How so? The southern triangle of corruption makes the shenanigans of Bangkok look mild in comparison. Spend some time in Surat Thani or Phuket and you will understand just how rotten the region is, how ingrained corruption and deceit is in the local culture.

In respect to J., how would I know what the relationship is between him and his mother? It's none of my business. Why would I care about how he gets along with his mother? He's a grown man, not a child. If you rely on gossip and rumour, tis your preference. I suggest you start a new business call Ok Thailand. You can be queen of the gossip columnists.

[wolfmanjack]

we will see how many turn up - I'm not holding my breath even with the payment they are being bribed with

I wonder what excuse they will use - oh it must have been the weather - right ?

Any one that understands the thai in the video know if the 1,000 baht being paid out was per day or for the entire 3 days?

If it was for the entire 3 days I can understand why the turnout was low. At 1,000 baht per day though I think they will get their 500.000 + after songkran.

[Pimay1]

Geriatric Kid, well said, one of the few people who understand the real situation here. The Suthep lovers are just so much 'fog' that has to be ignored. Interestingly many of the people discussing the uneducated masses cannot spell properly. Impossible to take these people's opinions seriously. Most people who shout freedom, free will etc have a bias towards their masters; the great and powerful ammart of all countries and when a voice like GK's appears they are determined to shut it down. Perhaps Thaksin was corrupt? Was he more corrupt than any other politician before or since? it's not important because he did one thing no other politician has done and at least gave the poor and uneducated a ghost of a chance. That cannot be tolerated in the world plan that feeds on the cheap labour of others. You anti-Thaksin slaves go back to browsing, buying guns and pizza and growling about freedom now.

You anti-Thaksin slaves go back to browsing, buying guns and pizza and growling about freedom now.

Says the ultra left wing liberal that is a champion of tolerance, freedom of thought, freedom of expression and freedom of speech. That is as long as you agree with him.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Pimay1

[pmugghc]

Not exactly. He expresses what millions upon millions of Thai people feel. In a country where the have nots are not given a fair chance to become haves, the discontent and resentment is palpable. People like you constantly put down the UDD as poor and uneducated. Well, they are poor and uneducated because of the system wide obstacles that keeps them from improving themselves. Some of the wealthiest people in Thailand, who coincidentally back Suthep, use large amounts of cheap unskilled labour. If over the course of 5 years, that labour pool decreased, it would cause economic hardship for the group who control much of Thailand's industrial base. A large part of Thailand's economy is still based on cheap agriculture and factory labour. Who else would accept the nasty working conditions at a poultry or fish processing plant? Who else would accept to work in a chemical sector where health and safety are not as much of a priority as profits? Thailand is on the cusp of a severe labour shortage and it is in the economic best interests of the small oligarchy to keep a large portion of the population marginalized and without power to improve their lives...

More likely non-existent millions. Or the 'millions' which turned up in Ayutthaya while ago to show their support for ever fading movement? I do believe that they lost a lot of support after their blind followers killed kids in Bangkok and Trat. Cheering it on the stage was a monumental mistake of theirs. It exposed the movement to the bare bone.

I think that multinational companies and western corporations profit more from Thai cheap labour. I don't hear western foreign investors complaining about health and safety issues in Thailand because they don't want to incur extra cost. They don't give monkeys about Thailand and Thais. All they care for is profit.

They seem to be intimidating factory owners in Mahachai to bus in their Burmese workers for the event. Most of them can be easily shut down by Chalerm's Labour Ministry for hiring undocumented labour, if they decline to cooperate. The labour portfolio turned out to be useful after all, although Chalerm cried like a baby when he was transferred there.

I can just see it, Chalerm talking to each factory owner: "You have a nice little factory here, wouldn't it be a shame if the Labour Ministry would have to review the workers' legal status".

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[pmugghc]

It's interesting to note the Post's comments today that Labour Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Capo di Tutti Capi Pol Captain Dr Chalerm Yoobamrung LLD has just relaxed regulations on overstaying labourers from neighbouring countries prior to ordering Labour Ministry officials to encourage factory owners in the Mahachai area to send their Burmese workers to join the red shirt rehearsal rally in Aksa Road. One can imagine that the relaxed regulations might not apply to factory owners who decline this kind invitation.

The Post also suggests that Thaksin is complaining that National Police Chief Adul has defected to the opposition. Rats leaving a sinking ship I wonder.

Could you expand a bit on what "the Post" is? The Bangkok Post had neither of these items in any form or manner. I'm sure you didn't make them up. But no (reputable) newspaper including the Bangkok Post has reported, written or intimated any such order from Chalerm, for example. I'm just wondering if you are confused, because your posts are certainly confusing.

It's in p13 of Saturday's Bkk Post.

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[MGP]

Look who was the star of the night at the Red Shirt Circus: Robert Amsterdam, via Skype. The co-father of the Red Shirts.

He condemns the Thai Constitutional Court, The National Anti Corruption Commission, the Thai Senate, law 112...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQE-xFD-p08&feature=youtu.be

[Malone]

It's interesting to note the Post's comments today that Labour Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Capo di Tutti Capi Pol Captain Dr Chalerm Yoobamrung LLD has just relaxed regulations on overstaying labourers from neighbouring countries prior to ordering Labour Ministry officials to encourage factory owners in the Mahachai area to send their Burmese workers to join the red shirt rehearsal rally in Aksa Road. One can imagine that the relaxed regulations might not apply to factory owners who decline this kind invitation.

The Post also suggests that Thaksin is complaining that National Police Chief Adul has defected to the opposition. Rats leaving a sinking ship I wonder.

Could you expand a bit on what "the Post" is? The Bangkok Post had neither of these items in any form or manner. I'm sure you didn't make them up. But no (reputable) newspaper including the Bangkok Post has reported, written or intimated any such order from Chalerm, for example. I'm just wondering if you are confused, because your posts are certainly confusing.

It's in p13 of Saturday's Bkk Post.

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I read the same article on their online site.

It's one of the lengthier and most revealing articles I've read in the last six months in regards to how the red shirt "protesters" are being recruited and is very, very recommended reading.

pm me for a direct link.