Thai Democrat Party can play saviour role: Abhisit

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Dems can play saviour role: Abhisit
The Nation


Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva leads party members and prominent figures, including former prime minister Chuan Leekpai, to celebrate the 68th anniversary of the party

BANGKOK: -- Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis - but both sides to the conflict must first reach a comprise on the exit strategy, the party's leader said yesterday.

The party's ideology over the past 68 years has never changed. It still believes in the democratic system with His Majesty the King as head of state, party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said.

Three things are necessary to solve the country's problems, he said.

First, legal disputes must be sorted out by respecting the legal process - those holding power must honour the law.

Second, the political polarisation should be patched up through negotiations.

Finally, the country should author a clear roadmap for reform, Abhisit said.

"We need the political process to make clear exactly what democracy, reform and justice are," he said.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and Suthep Thaugsuban, head of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee, must cooperate to determine the shape of reforms and elections, he said.

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who Abhisit said is the crux of every problem in the country, must realise that he cannot get what Thai laws cannot give.

The public's faith in the democratic system is faltering, as politicians abuse their power, condone corruption and betray the people's mandate, he said.

"It's no surprise that 14 million out of the 44 million eligible voters - excluding the five million who were blocked - were not willing to participate in the [House] election," he said.

Only 16 million out of the 49 million eligible voters cast ballots in the recent Senate election, he said.

"We should open a forum to explore answers for the people on how to reform the country to restore the faith of the people in the political system," he said.

"How can we return to the normal system - I mean elections?"

The Democrats are ready for an election whenever the election process is fair enough, he said.

"This is the path we have walked over the past 68 years," he said.

Chuan Leekpai, a former prime minister and former leader of the party, said the political crisis was caused by immorality and abuse of power.

The Democrats rely on democracy with the King as head of state, transparency, honesty and suppression of corruption, he said.

Prompong Nopparit, spokesman for the ruling Pheu Thai Party, congratulated the Democrats on the occasion of their 68th anniversary.

The party does not need to do many things to bring the country out of crisis - just end its boycott of the election, the spokesman said.

The Democrats should stop joining the protesters in street battles and restore the faith of the people in the party and electoral system.

If the Democrats lack faith in elections, their 68-year history is worthless, he added.


-- The Nation 2014-04-07

[noitom]

Abhisit and Chuan Leekpai, two dynamic Thai leaders with lots of character, principle, charisma, and clean from any corruption stains and cronyism.

[Bluespunk]

"Dems can play saviour role: Abhisit"

Read article three times. Nowhere does it say he said this.

[Bluespunk]

Prompong (PT) says

"The Democrats should stop joining the protesters in street battles and restore the faith of the people in the party and electoral system."

All things considered a somewhat hypocritical statement, considering your use of and reliance upon your street thug army, the red guards.

However, that aside, the reason their are street protests is your misrule has caused them. Pay your bills, obey the law, think about Thailand and not your fugitive Svengali, root out corruption and don't use your majority to abuse power, then their might be no street protests.

You won the right to rule when you won the election, you were also obligated to rule fairly, justly and consensually by accepting the role of govt.

[Fryslan boppe]

"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis '

I'm sure it would love to lead the way...This is along the same nonsensical thinking as those musing about "neutral Prime Ministers"

It is anti-democratic folderol, that unelectables self-servingly take seriously.

It eliminates all association with Electoral Democracy....As if the electoral majority would accept political entities they consistently reject at the Polls, to play a part in Governance, beyond the role such minority status grants it.

This is also an effort of the DP to try and get some separation from the anti-democratic political morass they are in....As if there are a different cast of characters involved...The old penchant of PAD-Dem's trying to segment themselves, when they are all essentially the same, from the same side of the Political Divide......Does anyone think the Lumpini crowd is not a DP crowd?

Two days now, of Media pushing anti-democratic stuff, and studiously avoiding the humongous rally of Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy advocates...One day a photo of Suthep hugged by someone with minimal reference in the article to the thousands from all over Thailand gathered elsewhere in BKK..... The next day of him outlining his plans for a type of 1930s-style Fascism for Thailand, promising his fascist elitists a new vision for Thailand: a civilian-led dictatorship...And now the DP leadership musing un-amusing thoughts.

Cycling through TV channels this morning, one sees the Nation channel, Bluesky channel, UDD channel, AsiaUpdate channel, ASTV...etc....All of them probably with a loyal audience who never go beyond those channels.

With such unconnected political streams and thinking in the body-politic, does anyone seriously think that issues of Governance can be created and/or imposed on any one of those streams, without national electoral legitimacy?....And if one side feels disadvantaged by that., I have some advice...Fix yourself and don't look outside yourself for your electoral futility...It is you who needs reform, so do it...........

Everyone is served better via competitive elections and a balance of power in Parliament......

Edited April 7, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Bluespunk]

"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis '

I'm sure it would love to lead the way...This is along the same nonsensical thinking as those musing about "neutral Prime Ministers"

It is anti-democratic folderol, that unelectables self-servingly take seriously.

It eliminates all association with Electoral Democracy....As if the electoral majority would accept political entities they consistently reject at the Polls, to play a part in Governance, beyond the role such minority status grants it.

This is also an effort of the DP to try and get some separation from the anti-democratic political morass they are in....As if there are a different cast of characters involved...The old penchant of PAD-Dem's trying to segment themselves, when they are all essentially the same, from the same side of the Political Divide......Does anyone think the Lumpini crowd is not a DP crowd?

Two days now, of Media pushing anti-democratic stuff, and studiously avoiding the humongous rally of Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy advocates...One day a photo of Suthep hugged by someone with minimal reference in the article to the thousands from all over Thailand gathered elsewhere in BKK..... The next day of him outlining his plans for a type of 1930s-style Fascism for Thailand, promising his fascist elitists a new vision for Thailand: a civilian-led dictatorship...And now the DP leadership musing un-amusing thoughts.

Cycling through TV channels this morning, one sees the Nation channel, Bluesky channel, UDD channel, AsiaUpdate channel, ASTV...etc....All of them probably with a loyal audience who never go beyond those channels.

With such unconnected political streams and thinking in the body-politic, does anyone seriously think that issues of Governance can be created and/or imposed on any one of those streams, without national electoral legitimacy?....And if one side feels disadvantaged by that., I have some advice...Fix yourself and don't look outside yourself for your electoral futility...It is you who needs reform, so do it...........

Everyone is served better via competitive elections and a balance of power in Parliament......

How do you get all that from this?

"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis"

Seems like the usual "vote for me BS" all parties put out before an election to me.

[stickyrice2000]

This two faced guy can play any roles as long as the democrats can reach the top. One day he joined the protesters going against the government, the next day he encouraged Suthep and Yingluck to talk, the following day he filed suits to dishonor the votes and now he plays the saviour role. He is so insincere and untrustworthy.

[DirtFarmer]

................This is part two of the Suthep Abhisit Leekpai plan... but both Leekpai and Abhiset have their own ghosts to contend with... Leekpai's government was brought down by the corruption of none other than Suthep...it is all public record...Abhisit has several cases pending which have been unattended lo these many years by the "independent agencies" and was also tainted by the corruption/back room deals/shenanigans of yep ...Suthep...and several will expire in the next twelve to 15 months... probably because it is not in the interest of this group of cowboys...to expedite or bring them to a close ....all public record...so...I'm not tossing my hat in this ring..and I hardly think the general consensus now keeps Abhisit's choir boy image any longer...

The Abhisit government was charged in several cases of corruption, particularly related to spending under the Thai Khem Khaeng economic stimulus program. After much public pressure, Abhisit appointed Banlu Siripanich head of an investigative committee to investigate allegations within the Ministry of Public Health. Banlu's committee's findings included: bribery by a supplier of ambulances; irregularities in the purchase of UV fans; overspending on construction of building; inflated prices for machines and equipment.

Abhisit's Social Development and Human Security Minister also resigned due to a corruption scandal. In addition, Apirak Kosayodhin, the Democrat Party Governor of Bangkok, were indicted by the National Counter Corruption Commission on 11 November 2008 for corruption in the purchase of 6.6 billion baht in fire-fighting equipment. Apirak resigned from his office on 13 November.

Democrat MPs saw their personal net worth increase by 4.3 billion baht while Abhisit was Prime Minister. Democrat financier Kalaya Sophonphanit's personal wealth increased by 422 million baht, while the wealth of MPs Wilat Chanpitak and Chalermlak Kebsap increased by 303 and 302 million baht respectively. 10 out of 10 MPs whose wealth increased the most during Abhisit's premiership were all Democrat MPs.[210]

TPI illegal donation scandal

In early 2009, the Democrat Party was accused by the Opposition of receiving 258 million baht in illegal donations from businessman-turned-politician Prachai Leophairatana. Prachai was the founder of failed petrochemical firm TPI Polene (which was under rehabilitation under the Financial Institutions Development Fund) as well as advertising shell companies Messiah Business and Creation. In the lead-up to the 2005 general election, while Abhisit was Deputy Party Leader, TPI Polene allegedly transferred the funds to Messiah Business and Creation, which then transferred the funds to senior Democrat Party leaders and their relatives in batches of less than 2 million baht each to over 70 separate bank accounts (2 million baht is the maximum that banks can transfer without reporting to the Anti-Money Laundering Office).[211] The opposition claimed that the Democrats never reported the donation, which was far in excess to legal limits, to the Election Commission.[212] Abhisit denied the allegations, claiming that his party's accounts had been checked by auditors. Other Democrat Party leaders claimed that "the alleged donation never took place" and that the "party never obtained it."[213] Receiving and using an unlawful donation could result in the dissolution of the Democrat Party and the banning of its executives from political office for violating the Political Party Act.

The Opposition raised the issue in a debate of no-confidence, and accused Abhisit of approving false account reports for 2004 and 2005 to the EC and filing false information.[214] The government won the vote, despite the Bangkok Post calling the evidence against the Democrats "overwhelming" and even the pro-Democrat Nation called the Opposition's presentation "clear-cut."[215][216] However, the scandal was subsequently investigated by the Department of Special Investigation. The DSI prepared a 7,000 page report which it submitted to the Election Commission in early 2010.

The EC claimed that the DSI report contained many holes.

Yes... the very same EC that was appointed by coup leaders...so that is not unexpected...

Now I am sure that there will be posters who will attempt to disavow these facts and are free to do so...but the fact remains Abhisit remains the front for a far more sinister group that only use the banner of Democracy as it's hue and cry... many things of which we cannot speak here...and it really is a shame we can't because it is indeed an inherent factor and one that should not be taken lightly...and will soon all be played out in the open.... and the eventualities I am sure will catch many off guard..

I wish Abhisit was his own man..I really do.. I like him... he is fairly adept at handling tough questions...and for that I give him credit...but unfortunately he too is too engrained in the patronage-client system of politic which has little or nothing to do with Democracy ...sin nam jai.. (Gifts of Good WIll) the giving of monetary perks when bidding on contracts...etc ... during his time in office it has been reported that the "good will" perks went from 20-30% to 30-40%...

The World Justice Report says, that Thailand’s civil justice system, is under political influence.

But enough on Abhisit... there is plenty of stuff out there on him if you bother to check...

Nobody currently in the thrust of Politics is clean.... I daresay politics does not lend itself to be a pristine process of Democracy...but I truly do believe that now fronting Abhisit would be a major stumble on the Dems part.. He is too polarized already and the majority of voters see him as the enemy... course' nobody is asking me what I think so I am just spouting off here just like all the rest...

but...I think a better play for the Dems is to front somebody that hasn't been targeted by as much vehemence by the opposition as Abhisit has.. he surely cannot win a legitimate election.

Does anybody know a more moderate Dem or is there a list somewhere to look at of people they can offer as a potential candidate that doesn't come with as much baggage...? I just don't see him as being able to move country forward given the stands he has taken...

[Cnxforever]

Can people get more ignorant and arrogant than this Abhisit?

Does he even realize how many Thais had pinned their hopes on him many years ago to finally change this country for good- he failed them miserably ? I don't think any ex- Thai PM has ever disappointing his followers more than him (including my Thai family)!

I still believe that he made the biggest mistake in his political life when he became a military installed PM against the will of the majority of the Thai people - if he would have had any integrity he would have said no! Instead he went for the power without the mandate of the people!

The man is so full of himself that he still does not realize that he is a thing of the past - nobody in his right mind wants to associate with him as the failed ex-PM with blood on his hands he can only do one thing - disappear from the political stage forever - he and the Democrats are totally insignificant to the future of this country - he is the biggest failure in Thai political history.

He and the Democrats are non electable to most of the Thai electorate - they should vacate the political stage and make room for a new party with new leaders who might have some real new ideas instead of cheap copies of Thaksin's so called popular policies to try and swing the electorate or get into power again without being elected.

"The Democrats are ready for an election whenever the election process is fair enough, he said." - what does he mean by that? When will the election process be fair enough for him? - Once he silenced, intimidated and disenfranchised all those who do not want to vote for him?

I hope he does not come up with the "vote buying myth" - because his own deputy leader admitted that the democrats spent more money on vote buying last time around than the PT party!

Or maybe he means that maybe the Thai people can go and elect the leaders they want without being stopped and intimidated by Suthep's thugs?

Or maybe it's fair enough once Suthep has his "reforms" in place to make sure they win an election - which they never could in real life?

Abhisit has become irrelevant - he should step aside and then maybe the Democrat party will survive - with him as leader they are doomed - he has no new ideas and zero charisma - he is a boring member of the so called elite who are against change in a country that needs change more than any other country in the region - Abhisit stands for the same old - he is part of the rich, low class arrogant elite in this country who looks down on the poor.

He has become so insignificant that he is not even used as a pawn anymore in the political game that is playing out behind the scenes at the moment.

For me personally he is the biggest disappointment - as me and my Thai family had once great hopes in him and the Democrats - the moment he associated himself with crooks like Suthep and became his puppet these hopes where destroyed, the moment he sided with criminals staging a coup to rob the country once more instead of getting rid of Thaksin by legal means our trust in him was betrayed.

The economic performance of the last Democrat led government was an absolute disaster - and corruption was as widespread as during the reign of PT.

The trust he betrayed can never be restored - Abhisit and Suthep should go and with them a dark chapter of Thai political history should be closed - make place for new people who might restore the trust people once had in the Democrats - as long as they are seen as the puppets of the anti-democrat movement behind the scenes they will never win an election!

[Humberstone]

Abhisit and Chuan Leekpai, two dynamic Thai leaders with lots of character, principle, charisma, and clean from any corruption stains and cronyism.

Chuan is a good guy, but I would never say he oozed charisma or dynamism. He was always a bit of a plodder to be honest. There is a corruption stain from his last administration, not against him personally mind, and he's got a dodgy brother as well.

[angsta]

This guy is a straight up loser. In the real world if you lose 4 elections on the bounce and then get charged with the unlawful killing of 200 people you shut the <deleted> up and stop embarrassing yourself. Not here it seems.

[tezzainoz]

Fact: Thai wife says we all want elections, but we want fair elections

The Thai People who are not sheep of a corrupt Government, we the people are aware of alleged corruption and abuses of authority by the current PTP Party

and the negative effects on the country associated with the influence of former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra.

In Jan 2014 the Election Commission (EC) had repeatedly stated it could not guarantee a fair election, but the Caretaker Government insisted on going ahead with it in a bid to whitewash its wrongdoings.

In Feb... was this a Democratic Election .............. No

Unless an election is fair, it can not be democratic.

Government supporters continued to threaten independent organisations, the people and political parties which opposed it. and the police fail to perform their duties.

Ms Yingluck had never called for the pro-government and red-shirt demonstrators to behave, suggesting that she supported the actions of these same redshirt demonstrators.

We the Thai People have witnessed red-shirt demonstrators threaten other party members without facing arrest.

The Democrat Party has also been threatened, many times if they want to campaign in Issan

During the 2005 general election, a political canvasser belonging to his party in Phichit province had been told to stop his campaigning.

When the threat was ignored, the canvasser was shot dead in front of his house three days before the election. Police have still not arrested any suspects

In 2014 things are even worse. Anti-government demonstrators were being ambushed on a main Hyway and no suspects had been arrested.

Under these circumstances, No other party but the PTP is safe to campaign for votes in the North East of Thailand

“The [Democrat] party conducted a survey of potential candidates nationwide and found that 80% had no safe place to campaign for votes, except those in the South, Bangkok and parts of the Central Plains.

So, is this a democratic Election, is it fair if only one political party can campaign for votes but others cannot,

FACT: Before we can have another Election in Thailand, the next Election must be FAIR to all Parties

[bulekee]

This two faced guy can play any roles as long as the democrats can reach the top. One day he joined the protesters going against the government, the next day he encouraged Suthep and Yingluck to talk, the following day he filed suits to dishonor the votes and now he plays the saviour role. He is so insincere and untrustworthy.

Nah,he's a politician.

[mrtoad]

This guy is a straight up loser. In the real world if you lose 4 elections on the bounce and then get charged with the unlawful killing of 200 people you shut the up and stop embarrassing yourself. Not here it seems.

When you get basic facts right people might consider your post valid.

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[bulekee]

Psst............ Have you heard the one about Chalerm and the Bishop ?

[bkkfaranguy]

Everyone knows that Suthep and Abhisit are just puppets to the same masters, but nice try in trying to seperate yourselves!

Edited April 7, 2014 by bkkfaranguy

[kjun12]

Another one of his lies. He was Prime Minister in charge of graft and corruption when he was in office. The Democrats pretend to be the party of honesty when they did little better than the present government. The biggest difference is that they gave everything to their rich partners.

[expat888]

Fact: Thai wife says we all want elections, but we want fair elections

The Thai People who are not sheep of a corrupt Government, we the people are aware of alleged corruption and abuses of authority by the current PTP Party

and the negative effects on the country associated with the influence of former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra.

In Jan 2014 the Election Commission (EC) had repeatedly stated it could not guarantee a fair election, but the Caretaker Government insisted on going ahead with it in a bid to whitewash its wrongdoings.

In Feb... was this a Democratic Election .............. No

Unless an election is fair, it can not be democratic.

Government supporters continued to threaten independent organisations, the people and political parties which opposed it. and the police fail to perform their duties.

Ms Yingluck had never called for the pro-government and red-shirt demonstrators to behave, suggesting that she supported the actions of these same redshirt demonstrators.

We the Thai People have witnessed red-shirt demonstrators threaten other party members without facing arrest.

The Democrat Party has also been threatened, many times if they want to campaign in Issan

During the 2005 general election, a political canvasser belonging to his party in Phichit province had been told to stop his campaigning.

When the threat was ignored, the canvasser was shot dead in front of his house three days before the election. Police have still not arrested any suspects

In 2014 things are even worse. Anti-government demonstrators were being ambushed on a main Hyway and no suspects had been arrested.

Under these circumstances, No other party but the PTP is safe to campaign for votes in the North East of Thailand

“The [Democrat] party conducted a survey of potential candidates nationwide and found that 80% had no safe place to campaign for votes, except those in the South, Bangkok and parts of the Central Plains.

So, is this a democratic Election, is it fair if only one political party can campaign for votes but others cannot,

FACT: Before we can have another Election in Thailand, the next Election must be FAIR to all Parties

Maybe your wife should run for office.

[kjun12]

Are you really that thick in the head or just brainwashed. The democrats chose not to be in the election. One cannot make a party a failure by not attending. Your words are just plain stupid lies.

Fact: Thai wife says we all want elections, but we want fair elections

The Thai People who are not sheep of a corrupt Government, we the people are aware of alleged corruption and abuses of authority by the current PTP Party

and the negative effects on the country associated with the influence of former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra.

In Jan 2014 the Election Commission (EC) had repeatedly stated it could not guarantee a fair election, but the Caretaker Government insisted on going ahead with it in a bid to whitewash its wrongdoings.

In Feb... was this a Democratic Election .............. No

Unless an election is fair, it can not be democratic.

Government supporters continued to threaten independent organisations, the people and political parties which opposed it. and the police fail to perform their duties.

Ms Yingluck had never called for the pro-government and red-shirt demonstrators to behave, suggesting that she supported the actions of these same redshirt demonstrators.

We the Thai People have witnessed red-shirt demonstrators threaten other party members without facing arrest.

The Democrat Party has also been threatened, many times if they want to campaign in Issan

During the 2005 general election, a political canvasser belonging to his party in Phichit province had been told to stop his campaigning.

When the threat was ignored, the canvasser was shot dead in front of his house three days before the election. Police have still not arrested any suspects

In 2014 things are even worse. Anti-government demonstrators were being ambushed on a main Hyway and no suspects had been arrested.

Under these circumstances, No other party but the PTP is safe to campaign for votes in the North East of Thailand

“The [Democrat] party conducted a survey of potential candidates nationwide and found that 80% had no safe place to campaign for votes, except those in the South, Bangkok and parts of the Central Plains.

So, is this a democratic Election, is it fair if only one political party can campaign for votes but others cannot,

FACT: Before we can have another Election in Thailand, the next Election must be FAIR to all Parties

[Jasun]

"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse."

They've certainly been willing to jump in when the courts made it impossible for anyone else to govern. But that's more akin to a pigeon hanging around waiting for crumbs to drop than being the country's saviour. The Dems had a great opportunity to be the good guys, but they lost that opportunity when they got in bed with the fanaticals.

[tim armstrong]

Politicians are always fair game to criticize, especially when not in your own country. and there is a large unmentioned part of this discussion that is the key. Painful as the current situation is, the country is evolving, in its own way, and while I may be critical sometimes, and want to get involved,Thailand is not my country, and I will always be a guest here.

[Kooweerup]

Didn't Abhisit resign from politics so he could join the demonstrations. Is it not those aligned to the Democrats ie Suthep and Co who are holding the country by the balls whilst the world is laughing at Suthep. Definitely not the people to be saviours. If the demo want to save the country the win the hearts of the reds because that is the only way.

[Prbkk]

Doesn't help his cause that less than 4 months ago he led a protest to the US embassy, with the feral mob screaming " Americans get out". He makes bad choices.

[Melyn]

To all the posters pouring scorn on the only politician speaking sense, show me an alternative from the current administration. They have all abandoned their stations.

Some more questions for the same group who will surely decline to answer because they lack the ken.

What should happen to a candidate when votes are paid for?

What should happen when the opposition is physically abused when canvassing?

When MPs cheat in house voting, what should their party do?

If their party fails to discipline them, do they have the moral ground to complain when they are charged?

Should the offending party criticise the courts and legal bodies?

In cases such as the amnesty bill, would you expect you MP to vote for what is right or vote with the party in a censure debate?

If you can't answer these questions then you should not be posting your twisted distorted nonsense in response to someone who can.

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[gabruce]

"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis '

I'm sure it would love to lead the way...This is along the same nonsensical thinking as those musing about "neutral Prime Ministers"

It is anti-democratic folderol, that unelectables self-servingly take seriously.

It eliminates all association with Electoral Democracy....As if the electoral majority would accept political entities they consistently reject at the Polls, to play a part in Governance, beyond the role such minority status grants it.

This is also an effort of the DP to try and get some separation from the anti-democratic political morass they are in....As if there are a different cast of characters involved...The old penchant of PAD-Dem's trying to segment themselves, when they are all essentially the same, from the same side of the Political Divide......Does anyone think the Lumpini crowd is not a DP crowd?

Two days now, of Media pushing anti-democratic stuff, and studiously avoiding the humongous rally of Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy advocates...One day a photo of Suthep hugged by someone with minimal reference in the article to the thousands from all over Thailand gathered elsewhere in BKK..... The next day of him outlining his plans for a type of 1930s-style Fascism for Thailand, promising his fascist elitists a new vision for Thailand: a civilian-led dictatorship...And now the DP leadership musing un-amusing thoughts.

Cycling through TV channels this morning, one sees the Nation channel, Bluesky channel, UDD channel, AsiaUpdate channel, ASTV...etc....All of them probably with a loyal audience who never go beyond those channels.

With such unconnected political streams and thinking in the body-politic, does anyone seriously think that issues of Governance can be created and/or imposed on any one of those streams, without national electoral legitimacy?....And if one side feels disadvantaged by that., I have some advice...Fix yourself and don't look outside yourself for your electoral futility...It is you who needs reform, so do it...........

Everyone is served better via competitive elections and a balance of power in Parliament......

How do you get all that from this?

"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis"

Seems like the usual "vote for me BS" all parties put out before an election to me.

"He has a dream!"

[tezzainoz]

Everyone knows that Suthep and Abhisit are just puppets to the same masters, but nice try in trying to seperate yourselves!

and is Yingluck not a puppet to an even dangerous Master

[charmonman]

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"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis '

I'm sure it would love to lead the way...This is along the same nonsensical thinking as those musing about "neutral Prime Ministers"

It is anti-democratic folderol, that unelectables self-servingly take seriously.

It eliminates all association with Electoral Democracy....As if the electoral majority would accept political entities they consistently reject at the Polls, to play a part in Governance, beyond the role such minority status grants it.

This is also an effort of the DP to try and get some separation from the anti-democratic political morass they are in....As if there are a different cast of characters involved...The old penchant of PAD-Dem's trying to segment themselves, when they are all essentially the same, from the same side of the Political Divide......Does anyone think the Lumpini crowd is not a DP crowd?

Two days now, of Media pushing anti-democratic stuff, and studiously avoiding the humongous rally of Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy advocates...One day a photo of Suthep hugged by someone with minimal reference in the article to the thousands from all over Thailand gathered elsewhere in BKK..... The next day of him outlining his plans for a type of 1930s-style Fascism for Thailand, promising his fascist elitists a new vision for Thailand: a civilian-led dictatorship...And now the DP leadership musing un-amusing thoughts.

Cycling through TV channels this morning, one sees the Nation channel, Bluesky channel, UDD channel, AsiaUpdate channel, ASTV...etc....All of them probably with a loyal audience who never go beyond those channels.

With such unconnected political streams and thinking in the body-politic, does anyone seriously think that issues of Governance can be created and/or imposed on any one of those streams, without national electoral legitimacy?....And if one side feels disadvantaged by that., I have some advice...Fix yourself and don't look outside yourself for your electoral futility...It is you who needs reform, so do it...........

Everyone is served better via competitive elections and a balance of power in Parliament......

I agree with your last sentence. Exactly how is that to be achieved given the behaviour of the PTP and the Red Shirts?

[Thait Spot]

"Throughout its 68-year history, the Democrat Party has been counted on to help the country when it was at an impasse. It is willing to lead it out of the current political crisis '

I'm sure it would love to lead the way...This is along the same nonsensical thinking as those musing about "neutral Prime Ministers"

It is anti-democratic folderol, that unelectables self-servingly take seriously.

It eliminates all association with Electoral Democracy....As if the electoral majority would accept political entities they consistently reject at the Polls, to play a part in Governance, beyond the role such minority status grants it.

This is also an effort of the DP to try and get some separation from the anti-democratic political morass they are in....As if there are a different cast of characters involved...The old penchant of PAD-Dem's trying to segment themselves, when they are all essentially the same, from the same side of the Political Divide......Does anyone think the Lumpini crowd is not a DP crowd?

Two days now, of Media pushing anti-democratic stuff, and studiously avoiding the humongous rally of Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy advocates...One day a photo of Suthep hugged by someone with minimal reference in the article to the thousands from all over Thailand gathered elsewhere in BKK..... The next day of him outlining his plans for a type of 1930s-style Fascism for Thailand, promising his fascist elitists a new vision for Thailand: a civilian-led dictatorship...And now the DP leadership musing un-amusing thoughts.

Cycling through TV channels this morning, one sees the Nation channel, Bluesky channel, UDD channel, AsiaUpdate channel, ASTV...etc....All of them probably with a loyal audience who never go beyond those channels.

With such unconnected political streams and thinking in the body-politic, does anyone seriously think that issues of Governance can be created and/or imposed on any one of those streams, without national electoral legitimacy?....And if one side feels disadvantaged by that., I have some advice...Fix yourself and don't look outside yourself for your electoral futility...It is you who needs reform, so do it...........

Everyone is served better via competitive elections and a balance of power in Parliament......

This has to be the worst case of dactylo-incontinence I have ever witnessed.

Vomitting buckets of politico-verbage into these threads on a daily basis must surely form grounds for a commitment under the mental health act.

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[DirtFarmer]

To all the posters pouring scorn on the only politician speaking sense, show me an alternative from the current administration. They have all abandoned their stations.

Some more questions for the same group who will surely decline to answer because they lack the ken.

What should happen to a candidate when votes are paid for?

What should happen when the opposition is physically abused when canvassing?

When MPs cheat in house voting, what should their party do?

If their party fails to discipline them, do they have the moral ground to complain when they are charged?

Should the offending party criticise the courts and legal bodies?

In cases such as the amnesty bill, would you expect you MP to vote for what is right or vote with the party in a censure debate?

If you can't answer these questions then you should not be posting your twisted distorted nonsense in response to someone who can.

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What should happen to a candidate when votes are paid for...

Ask Korn he admitted the Dems outspent others in the last election...and it didn't work

What should happen when the opposition is physically abused when canvassing...

Ask Suthep he is the master at preventing people from exercising their electoral rights...

When MPs cheat in house voting, what should their party do?

They should throw out the vote and make it mandatory that reps attend voting sessions ...

If their party fails to discipline them, do they have the moral ground to complain when they are charged?

They have the right to complain and oppose a "charge" a charge is not the same as a finding or conviction..

Everyone has the right to charge and defend against charges...

Should the offending party criticise the courts and legal bodies?

Unless there is a complete gag order and in most free countries...yes it is fair to criticize courts and legal bodies... It is called the adversarial system... and given the context here... hardly impartial bodies,,,,

In cases such as the amnesty bill, would you expect you MP to vote for what is right or vote with the party in a censure debate?

I believe the Mp should represent his/her constituency and find the definition of "what is right" measured by the highest moral or ehtical personal integrity.....but we are talking about politicians here... so that may entirely be moot...

[PREM-R]

What should happen to a politician who resigns from office and appears on the stage with rebels who want to overthrow the legitimately elected government?

What should happen when resigned MP’s call on ‘street thugs’ to block a general election from taking place?

When a political party refuses to take part in elections what should happen to that party?

If the Democrat party fails to distance itself from its MP’s who resigned to join the

rebels on their protest stages, do they have any grounds to put themselves forward as ‘saviours’?

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Edited April 7, 2014 by PREM-R