US executions delayed in 'secrecy' row

[chuckd]

A death sentence is such an absolute outcome for a really flawed justice system. America get your act together and fix your courts so a "fair trial" is just that, FAIR. I shudder to think how many innocent individuals have died by the executioners hand because of such a flawed justice system.

Oh yes. Why it practically happens ALL the time.

Sheesh... Murder is a fairly "absolute outcome" for the victim, wouldn't you say?

America's justice system will have its act together when justice is both swift & sure.

I see flaws in your argument...you have to catch/tri/convict the CORRECT purp in order to execute. I see you would like to see an innocent person die for your own selfish satisfaction. Don't take this the wrong wat but you must be American.

Perhaps you could provide us with the names, dates of execution and places of execution of all those innocent "purps" (sic) you seem to believe the justice system has so wrongfully indicted, tried, convicted and executed.

How about in the last 30 years? 40 years?

Links will be checked, if you can provide them.

[mdmayes]

A death sentence is such an absolute outcome for a really flawed justice system. America get your act together and fix your courts so a "fair trial" is just that, FAIR. I shudder to think how many innocent individuals have died by the executioners hand because of such a flawed justice system.

Oh yes. Why it practically happens ALL the time.

Sheesh... Murder is a fairly "absolute outcome" for the victim, wouldn't you say?

America's justice system will have its act together when justice is both swift & sure.

I see flaws in your argument...you have to catch/tri/convict the CORRECT purp in order to execute. I see you would like to see an innocent person die for your own selfish satisfaction. Don't take this the wrong wat but you must be American.

Perhaps you could provide us with the names, dates of execution and places of execution of all those innocent "purps" (sic) you seem to believe the justice system has so wrongfully indicted, tried, convicted and executed.

How about in the last 30 years? 40 years?

Links will be checked, if you can provide them.

How about one purp that got away..."Ruben "Hurricane" Carter" (rip) who just passed away this week. If your not familiar with him just Google his name. There has been stories, books, songs, and long debates about his case and the American Justice System.

Edited April 23, 2014 by mdmayes

[mdmayes]

A death sentence is such an absolute outcome for a really flawed justice system. America get your act together and fix your courts so a "fair trial" is just that, FAIR. I shudder to think how many innocent individuals have died by the executioners hand because of such a flawed justice system.

I curious as to what you mean by a flawed justice system? Could you point us all in the direction of a country with a fairer one? Also could you back that up with some factual information.

The Canadian system (the one I fall under) is just as flawed as the American system but the one difference is there is no death penalty. The one fact I will point out for you is Ruben "Hurricane" Carter (RIP) who escaped the death penalty. He was falsely accussed/tried/convicted of multiple murders he did not commit and sat on death row for years before being found innocent of the crimes.

[Credo]

I fail to see your point. Hurricane Carter wasn't executed.

I might add, though, he is now dead.

[Credo]

So, I, and a few others, are waiting for this wonderful justice system where people are never wrongfully convicted.

[lomatopo]

Regarding Rubin Carter:

Both men were convicted. Prosecutors sought the death penalty, but jurors recommended that each defendant receive a life sentence for each murder. Judge Samuel Larner imposed two consecutive and one concurrent life sentence on Carter, and three concurrent life sentences on Artis.

Also not sure about the national moratorium ( ~ 1967/1972 - 1976 ) on the death penalty in the U.S., New Jersey law(s) during Mr. Carter's trials and incarceration.

Capital punishment was abolished in New Jersey in 2007.

[mdmayes]

DNA Exonerations Nationwide

There have been 316 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 36 states; since 2000, there have been 249 exonerations.

18 of the 314 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.

The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.5 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,232.

The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.

Races of the 316 exonerees:

198 African Americans

94 Caucasians

22 Latinos

2 Asian American

The true suspects and/or perpetrators have been identified in 153 of the DNA exoneration cases.

There is a lot of pressure on police and prosecutors to prosecute alleged criminals, especially in more horrific cases. Infrequently this pressure leads to shoddy representation, forced confessions, suppressed evidence, fabricated evidence which results in a wrongful conviction.

Support for capital punishment seems to be shifting a bit in the U.S., given the number of states that have prohibited it recently Clearly it is not viewed as a deterrent any longer, so it is viewed strictly as a punishment.

Regarding the U.S. military, I was simply interested in the method(s) they were using recently - save Drones, so was surprised to see that they hadn't legally executed anyone since 1961. I guess they'd use lethal injection if they were to carry out an execution.

John A. Bennett, not surprisingly an African-American (with medical and cognitive issues), who was convicted and executed for the rape and attempted murder of an 11-year-old Austrian girl, was the last U.S. Military execution.

This is an interesting article:

TRIAL BY FIRE

Did Texas execute an innocent man?

The fire moved quickly through the house, a one-story wood-frame structure in a working-class neighborhood of Corsicana, in northeast Texas. Flames spread along the walls, bursting through doorways, blistering paint and tiles and furniture. Smoke pressed against the ceiling, then banked downward, seeping into each room and through crevices in the windows, staining the morning sky.

Buffie Barbee, who was eleven years old and lived two houses down, was playing in her back yard when she smelled the smoke. She ran inside and told her mother, Diane, and they hurried up the street; thats when they saw the smoldering house and Cameron Todd Willingham standing on the front porch, wearing only a pair of jeans, his chest blackened with soot, his hair and eyelids singed. He was screaming, My babies are burning up! His childrenKarmon and Kameron, who were one-year-old twin girls, and two-year-old Amberwere trapped inside.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

Thanks for sharing.

[mdmayes]

So, I, and a few others, are waiting for this wonderful justice system where people are never wrongfully convicted.

I know one thing for sure it will never be found in the USA with people like you at the switch. Happy bloodletting. **CLICK**

[Ulysses G.]

Their attorneys appealed based on a "cruel and unusual punishment" basis.

1. "Clayton Lockett, 38, was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Nieman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999. He has filed court papers to learn more about Oklahoma's execution protocol, but has not challenge his guilt or sentence."

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/06063e77cd1642c8a2ca143a5a2d12d8/OK--Oklahoma-Execution

2. "The second inmate, Charles Warner, was convicted in the 1997 death of his roommate's 11-month-old daughter and was scheduled to die on April 29."

http://newsok.com/bc-ap-ok-oklahoma-news-digest-ap/article/feed/676724

Cruel and unusual punishment, indeed.

I go back and forth on the death penalty, but scum like this are certainly a good advertisement for keeping it around.

[chuckd]

Oh yes. Why it practically happens ALL the time.

Sheesh... Murder is a fairly "absolute outcome" for the victim, wouldn't you say?

America's justice system will have its act together when justice is both swift & sure.

I see flaws in your argument...you have to catch/tri/convict the CORRECT purp in order to execute. I see you would like to see an innocent person die for your own selfish satisfaction. Don't take this the wrong wat but you must be American.

Perhaps you could provide us with the names, dates of execution and places of execution of all those innocent "purps" (sic) you seem to believe the justice system has so wrongfully indicted, tried, convicted and executed.

How about in the last 30 years? 40 years?

Links will be checked, if you can provide them.

How about one purp that got away..."Ruben "Hurricane" Carter" (rip) who just passed away this week. If your not familiar with him just Google his name. There has been stories, books, songs, and long debates about his case and the American Justice System.

Translation:

I can't name even one innocent person that has been wrongly executed in the last 30 years so I will throw 'Hurricane' Carter's name out there to deflect the question.

[hawker9000]

If your talking about American justice im not impressed.

...as I am not with many of its critics...

[Chicog]

He was falsely accussed/tried/convicted of multiple murders he did not commit and sat on death row for years before being found innocent of the crimes.

I'm sorry but that is not true. They simply were legally unable to try him a third time after his release on a technicality.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been deleted.

[Credo]

So, I, and a few others, are waiting for this wonderful justice system where people are never wrongfully convicted.

I know one thing for sure it will never be found in the USA with people like you at the switch. Happy bloodletting. **CLICK**

Oh, somebody can't come up with the name of a better justice system, apparently and so the dummy has been spit. The justice system in the US is probably one of the fairest in the world, it's certainly up there in the higher levels. The right to a lawyer, a trial, appeals and all the other safeguards.

There is more to a justice system than just the penalty phase, which you seem to disagree with. Well, I am not an advocate of the death penalty either and if it came up for a vote, I would vote against it. I would lose because there are no countries that have outlawed the death penalty by popular vote. It's always been abolished by politicians using other means. I believe many of the EU members were forced to abolish it as a condition of membership.

[H1w4yR1da]

DNA Exonerations Nationwide

And what do DNA exonerations have to do with this case?

Nothing!!