Would you stop and help someone who was hit by a bus?

[firefox999uk]

Having been a fire and rescue worker for more than 30 years I have attended hundreds of R.T.C.s. (Road Traffic Collisions).

One that will always stick in my memory is of a lady who stopped to help with a collision on the opposite carriage way.

Whilst crossing the road she was hit by a lorry and died instantly.

So before you all condemn arnold40844 for his decision, with all due respect you were not there at the time to make a risk assessment.

He did what he thought best at the time under the circumstances.

I am sure that in a different situation where it was safe to do so, he would jump to the chance to help.

Have a nice day.

[kovaltech]

Having been a fire and rescue worker for more than 30 years I have attended hundreds of R.T.C.s. (Road Traffic Collisions).

One that will always stick in my memory is of a lady who stopped to help with a collision on the opposite carriage way.

Whilst crossing the road she was hit by a lorry and died instantly.

So before you all condemn arnold40844 for his decision, with all due respect you were not there at the time to make a risk assessment.

He did what he thought best at the time under the circumstances.

I am sure that in a different situation where it was safe to do so, he would jump to the chance to help.

Have a nice day.

Sorry Firefox,

Either the OP is trolling or changing his story to make him feel comfee with what he did...( or didn't do )

Reread his post: 12 ft in front of him...!!!!!!!!!! thats less then a car length... thats 4 secs for an normal person...

i can not coop with his disgraceful behavior or his wife's...

Shame shame shame

[stoli]

How would you feel if it was you under the bus and everybody ignored you. You should feel bad and not lower yourself to the scumbags who turn the other way.

She's a human being in need of help , shame on you !!!

I could not agree more. I had an accident over a year ago. A passing Thai family helped me into their truck, drove me to Bangkok Hospital Pattaya, waited 2 hours while I was bandaged and had x-rays, then took me back home to my condo. I offered them all the cash I had, and they would not take even one baht. They called everyday to check on me. Wonderful people that I will never forget.

Stop listening to the Thai bashers that come up with these weird stories that you can not get involved. You sure can, and should.

[kovaltech]

How would you feel if it was you under the bus and everybody ignored you. You should feel bad and not lower yourself to the scumbags who turn the other way.

She's a human being in need of help , shame on you !!!

I could not agree more. I had an accident over a year ago. A passing Thai family helped me into their truck, drove me to Bangkok Hospital Pattaya, waited 2 hours while I was bandaged and had x-rays, then took me back home to my condo. I offered them all the cash I had, and they would not take even one baht. They called everyday to check on me. Wonderful people that I will never forget.

Stop listening to the Thai bashers that come up with these weird stories that you can not get involved. You sure can, and should.

Thumbs up Stoli,

This is how the majority of the Thai people would act....

That is how i know Thailand...

[arnold40844]

As I said before i did not have a phone on me.. There was no doubt in my mind that someone involved would have had the ability and sense to to call the emergency services, the bus driver, someone on the bus.. i had no phone and even know the number.

Like I said I felt bad that I could not/did not do anything.. Maybe will pay the price with my soul at the gates of hell.

OP .. While I do understand your dilemma, you should have tried helping her in someway ... and obviously you know that now. Even without speaking Thai or being medically qualified, you could have tried comforting the woman, or maybe given your phono to someone and shouted "call police, call police" ... or something. Besides not helping the person in some way, you/we damage our self, our self-respect ... and maybe even our soul ... when we turn and run in such situations.

[Showbags]

So just to clarify on your opinion. You are basically saying that all the cars that were passing, all the people getting off and on the BTS, all the people in the shops and market stools, the passengers on the bus, the people in the houses on either of the road, everyone who witnessed the incident should have got involved including myself who was probably the only one in a 1000 meter radius that did not speak Thai.

Its not the first accident I have witnessed here, its more like the 10th, and I did not get involved in any of them.

I definitely gauged the situation and considered approaching those involved, weighing up how my involvement might help. I was looking at the woman to see if she was okay from the other side of the road and at the bus driver to see what he was doing to get help. He seemed more concerned about the damage to his bus.

Its great to hear from all the people on here who would have turned in to superman like heros dealing with 8 lanes of incoming traffic in the middle of a junction that says no jay walking during rush-hour.

I understand...but what if you just plucked up the courage to stand out and go and direct traffic around her....I am sure others would then come and assist at some point....the first step is always the hardest.

Oh dear god...thats your excuse....best you give up now before you really put your foot in it.

So because a thousand people do not help....then you should not either.

This is what you said in your OP...this is what we have to judge it by...

'The thing that's stuck in my head is that no body even looked at her twice at her, everyone just carried on with their morning schedule actively seeming to ignore her... I said to my wife "shall we go and help get her off the road at least", no real response other than"I gotta get going". I just put my helmet on and headed back home. '

[PiPiFFS]

You get involved as a farang...you own it...!

Complete and utter BS I am afraid or just that in stopping t around 30 accidents on Samui, some fatalities and others just injuries I have never been blamed ever.

I have more Buddha's that have been given to me for helping than I could ever wear. I always look at it as What if it was my Thai wife under the bus ? Are the "just walk away and ignore it " posters honestly saying that if it was their wife / GF under the bus they would want everyone to simply ignore her ?

Here's a scenario

You come across an accident where a young girl has been involved in an accident.

You assess the situation and see that if nothing is done the girl will die for sure but with your intervention she stands a good chance of living with first aid.

This risks you of you getting blamed for the accident where it may end up costing you say 10 - 20,000 baht

Do you save the girl regardless or let her surely die so you don't risk losing any money ?

To me there is no question. I would gladly pay a few thousand Baht at the end of the day

Common human decency isn't something you can just ignore no matter where you are.

[kovaltech]

As far i see this: its a troll

In his first post, the accident happened 12 ft in front of him....

Then 6 lanes, other side , now 8 lanes ???

Troll Troll Troll

[arnold40844]

Dear Kovaltech,

I have not changed the story, I was on the right hand side of the road at a junction that joins Sukhumvit, if I get the opportunity I usually cross to the other side to face oncoming traffic so I can drop the wife off closer to the BTS. The accident happened in the middle of the junction and the bus involved was on the other side of the road to me. Given that the bus had blocked the road the traffic stuck behind it was pulling out while the light was red and going between me and the person on the ground. she made her way to the other side of the road as most of the traffic was stuck behind the bus. There were loads of people about and with no phone and unable to communicate I just went home.

If I am to be branded an inhumane, and coldblooded coward then so be it.

Having been a fire and rescue worker for more than 30 years I have attended hundreds of R.T.C.s. (Road Traffic Collisions).

One that will always stick in my memory is of a lady who stopped to help with a collision on the opposite carriage way.

Whilst crossing the road she was hit by a lorry and died instantly.

So before you all condemn arnold40844 for his decision, with all due respect you were not there at the time to make a risk assessment.

He did what he thought best at the time under the circumstances.

I am sure that in a different situation where it was safe to do so, he would jump to the chance to help.

Have a nice day.

Sorry Firefox,

Either the OP is trolling or changing his story to make him feel comfee with what he did...( or didn't do )

Reread his post: 12 ft in front of him...!!!!!!!!!! thats less then a car length... thats 4 secs for an normal person...

i can not coop with his disgraceful behavior or his wife's...

Shame shame shame

[tingtongteesood]

Yes, I absolutely would help. At least make sure they are not dead and make sure professionals have been called by someone and try to keep that person talking to find out what's going on with them. Maybe they won't speak English, but try anyway. If they do blackoyt whilst waiting for help but you have the important information it can save time and problems later. Just try and do something if you can.

If the poor victim is unconcious, remember your ABC's, check the Airway is not blocked, that they are Breathing and search for a pulse to monitor the Circulation.

[Shaunduhpostman]

OP, I wouldn't beat myself up about it too much. Sometimes we just aren't ready to respond to situations in the way we ought to. I don't think very many people are any different. I have seen for myself what can happen.

I remember years ago I was out on the piss one Saturday night, barhopping around Nana, Soi Cowboy and so forth. I saw a guy, a westerner, rolling around in the gutter in agony on Sukumvit between Soi 15 and 13 around midnight. I stood there watching, thinking, I better go help him, but thought no, I'm too drunk, someone else would be better to do it. I couldn't bring myself to just walk away tho, and after several minutes and literally hundreds of people passing him on that busy Sukhumvit stretch of sidewalk, I watched many, mostly westerners pass him by, some of them even gawking and carrying on with their parties.

Finally, I really could not bear to just leave him there and pulled him out of the gutter onto the sidewalk. I well knew that perhaps I could make matters worse by moving him, but what was I going to do, leave him to be run over by a bus? When I got him onto the sidewalk He said he'd been nailed by a motorcyclist, he thought maybe his legs were broken. A Thai girl saw me talking to the guy and she asked what was wrong and so that made things easier and we were able to lift him up and put him into a taxi and take him to Bumrungrad Hospital. Luckily he was insured, had his card with him and we left him at the hospital.

I think, OP, that I would just chalk it up to experience and hope that it will prepare you for the next time you see a similar thing happen, you may then be more ready to do something to help then. That you are even giving it a second thought is probably nearly as important as having helped.

[thaibeachlovers]

The victim was a Thai, your wife is presumably a Thai. If she isn't going to help, why should you?

In Saudi, we were told to run away if we saw someone injured, as if they died it would be our fault ( it's complicated ).

What you could have done would have been to insist your wife called the police, in case no one else did.

Totally agree with you on that one, If you offer any assistance in Saudi then you are liable under Sharia law, walk the other way....fast

Can I ask Sheryl though....and I know you offer excellent advice many times Sheryl......you mention if the op had a car then you could ferry them to hospital, but is it not against medical practice to move an injured person? just inquiring, not criticising,

Regards:wai2:

Certainly, you should know what you are doing if moving an injured person that can't move themselves, as could make a spinal injury worse.

[cronus]

If there are locals there already, do NOT stop and help n try to be the hero... all the wannabe heros here, hope they will go to Cambodia some day and try to be Mr. good guy there and get really fcked... Feel sorry for the guy with the accident near Jomtien, trying to help and get accused of having hit them, loosing money and a lot of time for something that was absolutely not his fault... hope he learnt his lesson and will NEVER do it again...

[Tchooptip]

With such a seriously injured person what can you do ?? Are you a Medic ? A broken arm / leg for example handled by an in-experienced person could do more harm then good. Call the Police and the rescue services is all you can / could do.

Edit: // VocalNeal beat me to it

If the injured person did not faint (of course) one could always talk to, try to reassure, telling emergency service wont be long, you will be OK+ I don't know what, but better than lying alone on the road! No more but a little human warmth that's it!

[Rimbuman]

The victim was a Thai, your wife is presumably a Thai. If she isn't going to help, why should you?

In Saudi, we were told to run away if we saw someone injured, as if they died it would be our fault ( it's complicated ).

What you could have done would have been to insist your wife called the police, in case no one else did.

Unfortunately you are right, many stories about 'farang' that wanted to help in situations like this that were accused of wrong doing or to be blamed for the traffic victims accident.

[roguewo]

Dear Kovaltech,

I have not changed the story, I was on the right hand side of the road at a junction that joins Sukhumvit, if I get the opportunity I usually cross to the other side to face oncoming traffic so I can drop the wife off closer to the BTS. The accident happened in the middle of the junction and the bus involved was on the other side of the road to me. Given that the bus had blocked the road the traffic stuck behind it was pulling out while the light was red and going between me and the person on the ground. she made her way to the other side of the road as most of the traffic was stuck behind the bus. There were loads of people about and with no phone and unable to communicate I just went home.

If I am to be branded an inhumane, and coldblooded coward then so be it.

Having been a fire and rescue worker for more than 30 years I have attended hundreds of R.T.C.s. (Road Traffic Collisions).

One that will always stick in my memory is of a lady who stopped to help with a collision on the opposite carriage way.

Whilst crossing the road she was hit by a lorry and died instantly.

So before you all condemn arnold40844 for his decision, with all due respect you were not there at the time to make a risk assessment.

He did what he thought best at the time under the circumstances.

I am sure that in a different situation where it was safe to do so, he would jump to the chance to help.

Have a nice day.

Sorry Firefox,

Either the OP is trolling or changing his story to make him feel comfee with what he did...( or didn't do )

Reread his post: 12 ft in front of him...!!!!!!!!!! thats less then a car length... thats 4 secs for an normal person...

i can not coop with his disgraceful behavior or his wife's...

Shame shame shame

I wouldn't worry. He/she/it sems 2 b instigator.

[arnold40844]

*Showbags*

I never said any different. I was concerned for the persons well-being asking my wife if we should help, I decided not to get involved on my own. A decision that I admitted to feeling ashamed about.

But as the fireman says you do have to way up the situation before getting involved. Suppose you are on a plane flying over the pacific and the pilot has a heart attack, running in to the cockpit shouting "I can help, I can help" when you have no flying or CPR experience. I might be a noble act but is in no way helpful.. This was kind of how I played out my involvement in my head.

[chickenslegs]

OP - you made a serious misjudgement... when you decided to share this story with us.

[Showbags]

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OP, I wouldn't beat myself up about it too much. Sometimes we just aren't ready to respond to situations in the way we ought to. I don't think very many people are any different. I have seen for myself what can happen.

I remember years ago I was out on the piss one Saturday night, barhopping around Nana, Soi Cowboy and so forth. I saw a guy, a westerner, rolling around in the gutter in agony on Sukumvit between Soi 15 and 13 around midnight. I stood there watching, thinking, I better go help him, but thought no, I'm too drunk, someone else would be better to do it. I couldn't bring myself to just walk away tho, and after several minutes and literally hundreds of people passing him on that busy Sukhumvit stretch of sidewalk, I watched many, mostly westerners pass him by, some of them even gawking and carrying on with their parties.

Finally, I really could not bear to just leave him there and pulled him out of the gutter onto the sidewalk. I well knew that perhaps I could make matters worse by moving him, but what was I going to do, leave him to be run over by a bus? When I got him onto the sidewalk He said he'd been nailed by a motorcyclist, he thought maybe his legs were broken. A Thai girl saw me talking to the guy and she asked what was wrong and so that made things easier and we were able to lift him up and put him into a taxi and take him to Bumrungrad Hospital. Luckily he was insured, had his card with him and we left him at the hospital.

I think, OP, that I would just chalk it up to experience and hope that it will prepare you for the next time you see a similar thing happen, you may then be more ready to do something to help then. That you are even giving it a second thought is probably nearly as important as having helped.

What a way to pick up a chick...way to go..

*Showbags*

I never said any different. I was concerned for the persons well-being asking my wife if we should help, I decided not to get involved on my own. A decision that I admitted to feeling ashamed about.

But as the fireman says you do have to way up the situation before getting involved. Suppose you are on a plane flying over the pacific and the pilot has a heart attack, running in to the cockpit shouting "I can help, I can help" when you have no flying or CPR experience. I might be a noble act but is in no way helpful.. This was kind of how I played out my involvement in my head.

So if you were on a plane...would you just sit back in the pax seat and wait to see what happens next....or jump in and do something....after all, it could not get much worse right ?

Don't feel ashamed about it, shit happens....maybe next time....the simplest thing just might help someone next time...

Tell me if that was your wife and she later told you in hospital that nobody would help...how would you feel.

Of course it is all about weighing up the individual situation....but if you can, you do.....in my book anyway.

[arnold40844]

Thanks buddy. I was starting to feel pretty awful reading through the posts.

I'm always the first one to get involved in situations like this. This is why I said in the original post about becoming desensitized. Its just I have seen so many accidents in the last 9 months, I have little respect for road users in this country, its like they are all trying to cause accidents or something. I am constantly telling taxis to slow down, I won't go on Soi bikes anymore after a couple of close calls, even on my estate I cringe at how fast some of tools drive around. And the way these motorbikes weave in and out of traffic undertaking at busy junctions, one gets to the point where one of them gets hit and your almost saying "that should <deleted> teach ya".

OP, I wouldn't beat myself up about it too much. Sometimes we just aren't ready to respond to situations in the way we ought to. I don't think very many people are any different. I have seen for myself what can happen.

I remember years ago I was out on the piss one Saturday night, barhopping around Nana, Soi Cowboy and so forth. I saw a guy, a westerner, rolling around in the gutter in agony on Sukumvit between Soi 15 and 13 around midnight. I stood there watching, thinking, I better go help him, but thought no, I'm too drunk, someone else would be better to do it. I couldn't bring myself to just walk away tho, and after several minutes and literally hundreds of people passing him on that busy Sukhumvit stretch of sidewalk, I watched many, mostly westerners pass him by, some of them even gawking and carrying on with their parties.

Finally, I really could not bear to just leave him there and pulled him out of the gutter onto the sidewalk. I well knew that perhaps I could make matters worse by moving him, but what was I going to do, leave him to be run over by a bus? When I got him onto the sidewalk He said he'd been nailed by a motorcyclist, he thought maybe his legs were broken. A Thai girl saw me talking to the guy and she asked what was wrong and so that made things easier and we were able to lift him up and put him into a taxi and take him to Bumrungrad Hospital. Luckily he was insured, had his card with him and we left him at the hospital.

I think, OP, that I would just chalk it up to experience and hope that it will prepare you for the next time you see a similar thing happen, you may then be more ready to do something to help then. That you are even giving it a second thought is probably nearly as important as having helped.

[arnold40844]

haha i was ready for it. I just wanted to get an idea of how people feel about this unfortunate but common situation. Its very mixed to be fair, lots of people would turn the other cheek.

OP - you made a serious misjudgement... when you decided to share this story with us.

[arnold40844]

I think you misread my analogy. I meant that running over to help with no phone or ability to communicate is like someone running in to an empty cockpit of a plane full of good intentions as it plummets to the ground. There were people everywhere more equipped to help than me and also on the same side of the junction to the injured party.

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OP, I wouldn't beat myself up about it too much. Sometimes we just aren't ready to respond to situations in the way we ought to. I don't think very many people are any different. I have seen for myself what can happen.

I remember years ago I was out on the piss one Saturday night, barhopping around Nana, Soi Cowboy and so forth. I saw a guy, a westerner, rolling around in the gutter in agony on Sukumvit between Soi 15 and 13 around midnight. I stood there watching, thinking, I better go help him, but thought no, I'm too drunk, someone else would be better to do it. I couldn't bring myself to just walk away tho, and after several minutes and literally hundreds of people passing him on that busy Sukhumvit stretch of sidewalk, I watched many, mostly westerners pass him by, some of them even gawking and carrying on with their parties.

Finally, I really could not bear to just leave him there and pulled him out of the gutter onto the sidewalk. I well knew that perhaps I could make matters worse by moving him, but what was I going to do, leave him to be run over by a bus? When I got him onto the sidewalk He said he'd been nailed by a motorcyclist, he thought maybe his legs were broken. A Thai girl saw me talking to the guy and she asked what was wrong and so that made things easier and we were able to lift him up and put him into a taxi and take him to Bumrungrad Hospital. Luckily he was insured, had his card with him and we left him at the hospital.

I think, OP, that I would just chalk it up to experience and hope that it will prepare you for the next time you see a similar thing happen, you may then be more ready to do something to help then. That you are even giving it a second thought is probably nearly as important as having helped.

What a way to pick up a chick...way to go..

*Showbags*

I never said any different. I was concerned for the persons well-being asking my wife if we should help, I decided not to get involved on my own. A decision that I admitted to feeling ashamed about.

But as the fireman says you do have to way up the situation before getting involved. Suppose you are on a plane flying over the pacific and the pilot has a heart attack, running in to the cockpit shouting "I can help, I can help" when you have no flying or CPR experience. I might be a noble act but is in no way helpful.. This was kind of how I played out my involvement in my head.

So if you were on a plane...would you just sit back in the pax seat and wait to see what happens next....or jump in and do something....after all, it could not get much worse right ?

Don't feel ashamed about it, shit happens....maybe next time....the simplest thing just might help someone next time...

Tell me if that was your wife and she later told you in hospital that nobody would help...how would you feel.

Of course it is all about weighing up the individual situation....but if you can, you do.....in my book anyway.

[kovaltech]

@Arnold40844;

You said and i quote "I just wanted to get an idea of how people feel about this unfortunate but common situation. Its very mixed to be fair, lots of people would turn the other cheek."

So this was an made up story ?

troll

[Skint]

@Arnold40844;

You said and i quote "I just wanted to get an idea of how people feel about this unfortunate but common situation. Its very mixed to be fair, lots of people would turn the other cheek."

So this was an made up story ?

troll

Well done yes a made up story so the OP could sit and analyse everyone on here

[nottocus]

Don't stop and don't help.

[arnold40844]

Someone mentioned that I had made a mistake by posting it. I just gave him the reason as to why I posted it.

It happened and I was genuinely interested in the responses.

@Arnold40844;

You said and i quote "I just wanted to get an idea of how people feel about this unfortunate but common situation. Its very mixed to be fair, lots of people would turn the other cheek."

So this was an made up story ?

troll

[kovaltech]

@Arnold40844

I have reread your story several times, or should i say story's, to many differences

If any of these really happened, then thats appalling, you even somewhere have stated that you did similar like 10 times, without getting involved...

"early morning about 6am,. About 12 feet in front of me I saw a woman went under a bus while riding a moped. She was not dead or anything, at worst broke a few bones but was obviously in a lot of pain. "

Thats far away from the statement where you mention that you would have to make 400 meters to cross the road.

rush hour starts at 7 am

BTS starts first ride at 06.00 am

There is no way to stand still , right side at rush hour to get your wife on BTS, in normal driving direction , the BTS entry is at your left side, so is the place where you normaliter stop...

you changed your story and details to many times

You'r a Troll and the story is BS

If the story is true, then you are a walking shame for mankind...

[arnold40844]

Its not my fault that you lack the ability to visualize the scene. I could draw a diagram for you if you like. All in all there are 12 lanes of traffic meeting at one junction. 4/4/4. Now the way the road works is that you have 2 lanes going one way and two lanes going the other way i was on the very right hand side of the 4 lane road that meets Sukhimvit,

Anyway its pretty common place on here, everything I have posted on this site has ended in me being called a lying troll. Lol

As far i see this: its a troll

In his first post, the accident happened 12 ft in front of him....

Then 6 lanes, other side , now 8 lanes ???

Troll Troll Troll

[susan d]

It's already passed. Next time, you will know what to do.

[kovaltech]

Its not my fault that you lack the ability to visualize the scene. I could draw a diagram for you if you like. All in all there are 12 lanes of traffic meeting at one junction. 4/4/4. Now the way the road works is that you have 2 lanes going one way and two lanes going the other way i was on the very right hand side of the 4 lane road that meets Sukhimvit,

Anyway its pretty common place on here, everything I have posted on this site has ended in me being called a lying troll. Lol

As far i see this: its a troll

In his first post, the accident happened 12 ft in front of him....

Then 6 lanes, other side , now 8 lanes ???

Troll Troll Troll

So thats clarified then...

You have been Trolling before, otherwise you wouldn't be called a Trol

Now we can ad the word Lying...

If the accident did happened 12 feet in front of you.... ( your statement in the original post )

And later you claim the 400 meters to walk to cross the lanes, then you never where even near an conjunction with red lights or even an BTS station...

I'll rest the case, you are an LT with a lot of BS ( by your own admittance )