US House approves new Benghazi inquiry

[Ulysses G.]

Some of the numbers in there seem to have been plucked from thin air,

Do you have some sort of evidence for that or are we just supposed to trust your "intuition"? Your track record on this thread has been pretty miserable.

I would suggest you read the article yourself and draw your own conclusions.

My conclusions are that you have absolutely no evidence to support your statement.

[Chicog]

Some of the numbers in there seem to have been plucked from thin air,

Do you have some sort of evidence for that or are we just supposed to trust your "intuition"? Your track record on this thread has been pretty miserable.

I would suggest you read the article yourself and draw your own conclusions.

My conclusions are that you have absolutely no evidence to support your statement.

Then you obviously don't feel the need to question the article, unsurprisingly.

Added: In fact, the more I read it, the more the regulation seems appropriate.

Most of the rules in Appendix B either relate to Obamacare, which whether you like it or not is now law;

or Dodd-Frank, which is primarily to impose controls on financial institutions that prevent them from being fiscally irresponsible, as well as to protect consumers. Or to put it another way, stopping them wrecking the economy through greed and recklessness. I think most people support that.

Other ones are to do with electricity conservation; cybersecurity in essential utilities; and a few on environment and conservation: All of which cost the corporation money, so I'm hardly surprised GOP supporters find them distasteful.

But all reasonable in my view.

Edited May 11, 2014 by Chicog

[Chicog]

Added: And you didn't answer me: Do you agree with Dodd-Frank?

No.

Because you don't agree with the principle or because Obama introduced it?

[Chicog]

I honestly cannot understand why so many people think that Benghazi has anything to do with the mid-term elections.

I would have thought it was quite obvious. It sends a subliminal message about the Democrats. The GOP will once again promulgate stuff that isn't even true, because Fox will report it and will not issue a retraction down the line even if they're wrong. Like the whole "Who ordered troops to stand down" nonsense.

There was even an comment on this very thread (removed for profanities I think) from one poster where he stated that Obama ordered troops to stand down.

Like I said, if you throw enough ****......

Boehner and Co. know that the lie will hit the top of the news cycle, the retraction not so much; and like advertising, a lot of it sticks.

It will be interesting to see just how much the Democrats want to participate in this process. They'll want to stop the misdirection, but if they get too involved, they give it more credibility than they'd like.

[snarky66]

For some folks the death of 4 people including a US Ambassador is "nonsense". Not Hillary's finest hour. Highlights really the incompetence of this so called "administration". Bumbling idiots.

[snarky66]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOKkcKQJkF8&feature=player_embedded

Bret Baier destroys this idiot.

[Chicog]

I wouldn't call it nonsense. I would call it a tragedy.

But then I'd say the same thing about Beirut; the USS Cole; the Riyadh bombings in 2003; I could go on.

A degree in hindsight is all that was needed to prevent them all.

[Ulysses G.]

It will be interesting to see just how much the Democrats want to participate in this process. They'll want to stop the misdirection, but if they get too involved, they give it more credibility than they'd like.

You can bet that, if they do send anyone to the committee, it will be their loudest, most partisan, fit throwers with no interest in finding the truth. They will contribute misleading ideas, omissions of truths and obfuscations about every detail brought to light. Stall and delay. Stall and delay. The same thing that they have been doing for the last two years.

[Scott]

Some posts have been deleted as well as replies. The topic is starting to go very far off-topic. Please stick to the topic.

[snarky66]

But you did call it "nonsense" & a "witch hunt' Good God almighty some of you can't remember what you have posted.

Holding traitorous incompetents accountable for their misdeeds? Now rice has been promoted up to a level where she can not be called to testify.

BTW 14 days after the attack the liar in chief gave a speech at the UN blaming THE VIDEO for the deaths of the 4 Americans.

A video no one had ever seen. Less than 12 hours after the death of Chris Stevens mrs clinton said the US government had nothing to do with a video. A trick David Copperfield would be proud of.

[snarky66]

You can bet that, if they do send anyone to the committee, it will be their loudest, most partisan, fit throwers with no interest in finding the truth. They will contribute misleading ideas, omissions of truths and obfuscations about every detail brought to light. Stall and delay. Stall and delay. The same thing that they have been doing for the last two years.

Did you forget leaking the proceedings (secret testimony) to the lapdog media?

Edited May 11, 2014 by snarky66

[snarky66]

Let's refresh our memories as to the nexus of the lies & cover-up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021334862

The gun smoke had not ever cleared before mrs clinton issued this proclamation.

You have to hand it to this lawless administration they have their lies smoke screens & obfuscations prepackaged & ready to roll out at a moments notice.

[Tanis]

There are a lot is similarities between this & watergate. Except that 4 people were not murdered during Watergate. AND the media hated Nixon while they fawn all over the Messiah. Obama was disinterested in the attack. But the real traitor ordered our military to "stand down." One of many pieces of information being covered up by this lawless administration.

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https://twitter.com/SpeakerBoehner/status/464803245618397185/photo/1

Dun know who is worse: this administration or the keystone cops errrr repubs. This has a feeling of a kangaroo court. Boehner is not doing this because his heart is compelling him to act but rather to look good in the eyes of the public. Going to have to run to the toilet and barf up my supper....never thought I would ever defend Obummer.

[JDGRUEN]

Speaker Boehner is a bumbling alcoholic fool and would not challenge the obama administration on anything unless pushed by others in the House. Boehner would rather be a golfing partner with obama so they could both grab a cigarette and a stiff drink on the back 9 rather than to deal with the lies and distortions dealt by Secretary Clinton, Ambassador Rice and the sycophant underlings that helped cover up this sad and treacherous scandal.

[snarky66]

The administration has to be investigated because they are rife with liars & cover up masters.

They got 4 people killed & made no attempt to rescue them. Then they cooked up the video story as the reason why.

And Barack went upstairs got a good nights sleep because he had to fly to an urgent fund raiser in California early the next morning.

And this ladies & gentlemen is the dear leader.

[Credo]

Such attention to detail. We have posters who know in which room the president was while Benghazi was happening. They know what he was thinking, what he was doing and how he slept.

Your zeal in going after the President is admirable, your lack of concern for the security of the Embassies is noted.

[Ulysses G.]

Your zeal in going after the President is admirable, your lack of concern for the security of the Embassies is noted.

I'm pretty sure that the officials responsible for the lack of security at the Benghazi Consulate and the subsequent COVER UP are not posting on Thai Visa.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[snarky66]

http://thehill.com/video/administration/249271-clinton-us-government-had-nothing-to-do-with-reprehensible-anti-islam-movien.

Less then 24 hours after Amb Chris Stevens is killed we have mrs clinton on camera. And thus a cover up is born.

[chuckd]

Such attention to detail. We have posters who know in which room the president was while Benghazi was happening. They know what he was thinking, what he was doing and how he slept.

Your zeal in going after the President is admirable, your lack of concern for the security of the Embassies is noted.

Nobody from the administration has said publicly where the President was or what he was doing during the attack.

Both Pannetta and Adm. Dempsey said, in a Congressional hearing, they had no contact with him after their 1730 briefing with him was adjourned. He left the briefing and told them to handle it.

A former National Security Spokesman, Tommy Vietor, claimed last week that Obama was in the White House but NOT in the Situation Room. He claimed no knowledge of where Obama was or what he was doing. Obama was apparently invisible for the eight hours of the attack and was not seen until the following morning heading for Marine 1 for his fund raisers in Las Vegas.

The lack of security provided by this administration for Benghazi has already been addressed in an earlier multi-page thread on this forum.

Perhaps you have no curiousity for the CIC's whereabouts or any action he might have taken while one of his Consulates was under attack, but many people do

.

Edited May 12, 2014 by chuckd

[Chicog]

It will be interesting to see just how much the Democrats want to participate in this process. They'll want to stop the misdirection, but if they get too involved, they give it more credibility than they'd like.

You can bet that, if they do send anyone to the committee, it will be their loudest, most partisan, fit throwers with no interest in finding the truth. They will contribute misleading ideas, omissions of truths and obfuscations about every detail brought to light. Stall and delay. Stall and delay. The same thing that they have been doing for the last two years.

Partisan fit throwers with no interest in finding the truth: The GOP summed up very well there.

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[Tanis]

Such attention to detail. We have posters who know in which room the president was while Benghazi was happening. They know what he was thinking, what he was doing and how he slept.

Your zeal in going after the President is admirable, your lack of concern for the security of the Embassies is noted.

We know where he was not and should had been: the situation room

[Johpa]

The administration has to be investigated because they are rife with liars & cover up masters.

They got 4 people killed & made no attempt to rescue them. Then they cooked up the video story as the reason why.

And Barack went upstairs got a good nights sleep because he had to fly to an urgent fund raiser in California early the next morning.

And this ladies & gentlemen is the dear leader.

Wow, the administration spins the news with some partial and some complete untruths just like the previous administration, but of course you are not quite as outraged about the lies and coverups that led to the meaningless deaths of thousands of Americans in Iraq. And despite the current administrations political miscalculations, and I am no fan of Obama who is just another quisling of Wall St (and don't you dare insult me and make a fool of yourself by calling Obama a socialist), at least I understand that the administration did not kill the 4 people in Benghazi, and I have enough military experience to accept that there would have been no military options available apart from, and only just maybe, coming in with guns ablazing from aircraft with subsequent, and unacceptable, collateral damage. If George Bush and Dick Cheney can sleep well at night then yes, I assume Obama also sleeps well at night. And you know what, so do I because I know that this is just one more side show to divide and conquer the American electorate: t'is a story full of sound and fury signifying nothing, just like almost every other story on American news channels.

[snarky66]

I would characterize obama as "alinskyite" but in the current context "traitor" seems to fit pretty well.

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[chuckd]

The administration has to be investigated because they are rife with liars & cover up masters.

They got 4 people killed & made no attempt to rescue them. Then they cooked up the video story as the reason why.

And Barack went upstairs got a good nights sleep because he had to fly to an urgent fund raiser in California early the next morning.

And this ladies & gentlemen is the dear leader.

Wow, the administration spins the news with some partial and some complete untruths just like the previous administration, but of course you are not quite as outraged about the lies and coverups that led to the meaningless deaths of thousands of Americans in Iraq. And despite the current administrations political miscalculations, and I am no fan of Obama who is just another quisling of Wall St (and don't you dare insult me and make a fool of yourself by calling Obama a socialist), at least I understand that the administration did not kill the 4 people in Benghazi, and I have enough military experience to accept that there would have been no military options available apart from, and only just maybe, coming in with guns ablazing from aircraft with subsequent, and unacceptable, collateral damage. If George Bush and Dick Cheney can sleep well at night then yes, I assume Obama also sleeps well at night. And you know what, so do I because I know that this is just one more side show to divide and conquer the American electorate: t'is a story full of sound and fury signifying nothing, just like almost every other story on American news channels.

Just ask yourself a few questions.

What did Obama do to help the those under attack?

Did he personally call the President of Libya and demand protection for our Embassy personnel?

Did he realize Sigonella US Navy base was only 480 air miles from Benghazi and help could have been dispatched?

No landing rights in Benghazi? Tell the Libyan President the planes are on the way. Clear it.

Did he call the President of Egypt and ask for any landing or refueling rights for military aircraft to assist our personnel if needed?

Exactly WHAT did Obama do for the eight hours the attack lasted?

It would seem the White House and State Department did nothing to help either before or during the attack.

Many of you seem to feel this is all irrelevant...many others don't.

Edited May 12, 2014 by chuckd

[folium]

The administration has to be investigated because they are rife with liars & cover up masters.

They got 4 people killed & made no attempt to rescue them. Then they cooked up the video story as the reason why.

And Barack went upstairs got a good nights sleep because he had to fly to an urgent fund raiser in California early the next morning.

And this ladies & gentlemen is the dear leader.

Wow, the administration spins the news with some partial and some complete untruths just like the previous administration, but of course you are not quite as outraged about the lies and coverups that led to the meaningless deaths of thousands of Americans in Iraq. And despite the current administrations political miscalculations, and I am no fan of Obama who is just another quisling of Wall St (and don't you dare insult me and make a fool of yourself by calling Obama a socialist), at least I understand that the administration did not kill the 4 people in Benghazi, and I have enough military experience to accept that there would have been no military options available apart from, and only just maybe, coming in with guns ablazing from aircraft with subsequent, and unacceptable, collateral damage. If George Bush and Dick Cheney can sleep well at night then yes, I assume Obama also sleeps well at night. And you know what, so do I because I know that this is just one more side show to divide and conquer the American electorate: t'is a story full of sound and fury signifying nothing, just like almost every other story on American news channels.

Just ask yourself a few questions.

What did Obama do to help the those under attack?

Did he personally call the President of Libya and demand protection for our Embassy personnel?

Did he realize Sigonella US Navy base was only 480 air miles from Benghazi and help could have been dispatched?

No landing rights in Benghazi? Tell the Libyan President the planes are on the way. Clear it.

Did he call the President of Egypt and ask for any landing or refueling rights for military aircraft to assist our personnel if needed?

Exactly WHAT did Obama do for the eight hours the attack lasted?

It would seem the White House and State Department did nothing to help either before or during the attack.

Many of you seem to feel this is all irrelevant...many others don't.

As previously stated I have no particular axe to grind re this tragic incident. My only wish is to see the US remain a rich, successful and confident superpower that follows through on its commitments, pledges and alliances and generally backs the right horse in the race.

Anyway back to Benghazi....

Amazingly it seems that one of the most definitive accounts of this incident is to be found in Sean Flynn's piece in of all publications, GQ magazine. See below.

I would be interested to hear feedback on this article from all sides and it does address some of the questions posed above by ChuckD. Of particular interest is the timeline of the incident, especially the rapidity of its unfolding and also the 2 QRFs (quick reaction forces) that turn up. Quite who these QRFs were composed of is plausibly addressed in the second link, namely they were GRS members. Some deployed from the annex/CIA safe house and a further team deployed from Tripoli on a commandeered private jet. To put names to the victims they were Chris Stevens and Sean Smith of the State Dept and Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods from the CIA GRS.

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201211/sean-flynn-j-christopher-stevens-benghazi-libya-ambassador

http://fpif.org/benghazi_conservative_concerns_may_be_reality_based_for_once/

The GRS is a rerun of the OSS or SOE type paramilitary/irregular organizations from WW2.

[Johpa]

Just ask yourself a few questions.

What did Obama do to help the those under attack?

Did he personally call the President of Libya and demand protection for our Embassy personnel?

Did he realize Sigonella US Navy base was only 480 air miles from Benghazi and help could have been dispatched?

No landing rights in Benghazi? Tell the Libyan President the planes are on the way. Clear it.

Did he call the President of Egypt and ask for any landing or refueling rights for military aircraft to assist our personnel if needed?

Exactly WHAT did Obama do for the eight hours the attack lasted?

It would seem the White House and State Department did nothing to help either before or during the attack.

Many of you seem to feel this is all irrelevant...many others don't.

Actually, Obama did not do much and although it is often a bitter pill to take, doing nothing is very often the best move. The president of Libya is scarcely in control of his country. Libya is just one of many failed nations around the globe where the "central government" has little control outside the capital. Sigonella has no tactical aircraft or ground combat troops to speak of, it is a large administrative base primarily used for logistics, submarine patrols,and aerial refueling. You don't land aircraft at an airport unless you have control of that airport. That requires a Ranger regiment and plenty of planning. With Sigonella in the region, air refueling rights are sort of a moot point; they can refuel just about any aircraft in the air these days. Should the US government have done more to strengthen security of the consulate in Benghazi? In hindsight, absolutely. Would the increase in such security measures have saved lives. Perhaps. But given the situation, once the attack began the US had no more ability to control or influence events on the ground in Benghazi than it does today in Ukraine.

These will not be the last State Department personnel killed by Islamic extremists. But I remain more concerned by the hidden enemy within than the outsiders afar. Free fall remains unexplained.

[Asiantravel]

The administration has to be investigated because they are rife with liars & cover up masters.

They got 4 people killed & made no attempt to rescue them. Then they cooked up the video story as the reason why.

And Barack went upstairs got a good nights sleep because he had to fly to an urgent fund raiser in California early the next morning.

And this ladies & gentlemen is the dear leader.

Wow, the administration spins the news with some partial and some complete untruths just like the previous administration, but of course you are not quite as outraged about the lies and coverups that led to the meaningless deaths of thousands of Americans in Iraq. And despite the current administrations political miscalculations, and I am no fan of Obama who is just another quisling of Wall St (and don't you dare insult me and make a fool of yourself by calling Obama a socialist), at least I understand that the administration did not kill the 4 people in Benghazi, and I have enough military experience to accept that there would have been no military options available apart from, and only just maybe, coming in with guns ablazing from aircraft with subsequent, and unacceptable, collateral damage. If George Bush and Dick Cheney can sleep well at night then yes, I assume Obama also sleeps well at night. And you know what, so do I because I know that this is just one more side show to divide and conquer the American electorate: t'is a story full of sound and fury signifying nothing, just like almost every other story on American news channels.

Just ask yourself a few questions.

What did Obama do to help the those under attack?

Did he personally call the President of Libya and demand protection for our Embassy personnel?

Did he realize Sigonella US Navy base was only 480 air miles from Benghazi and help could have been dispatched?

No landing rights in Benghazi? Tell the Libyan President the planes are on the way. Clear it.

Did he call the President of Egypt and ask for any landing or refueling rights for military aircraft to assist our personnel if needed?

Exactly WHAT did Obama do for the eight hours the attack lasted?

It would seem the White House and State Department did nothing to help either before or during the attack.

Many of you seem to feel this is all irrelevant...many others don't.

I am astonished how the American public can possibly seem so nonchalant about a government( that their own tax dollars are paying for ) lying to them on so many occasions. Now we have another bombshell revelation from Tim Geitner, accusing them of lying about the economy

[Chicog]

Amazingly it seems that one of the most definitive accounts of this incident is to be found in Sean Flynn's piece in of all publications, GQ magazine. See below.

I would be interested to hear feedback on this article from all sides and it does address some of the questions posed above by ChuckD. Of particular interest is the timeline of the incident, especially the rapidity of its unfolding and also the 2 QRFs (quick reaction forces) that turn up. Quite who these QRFs were composed of is plausibly addressed in the second link, namely they were GRS members. Some deployed from the annex/CIA safe house and a further team deployed from Tripoli on a commandeered private jet. To put names to the victims they were Chris Stevens and Sean Smith of the State Dept and Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods from the CIA GRS.

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201211/sean-flynn-j-christopher-stevens-benghazi-libya-ambassador

http://fpif.org/benghazi_conservative_concerns_may_be_reality_based_for_once/

The GRS is a rerun of the OSS or SOE type paramilitary/irregular organizations from WW2.

Very interesting stuff in the GQ article. I've always got the impression that it was a planned attack specifically on the ambassador.

The attackers who overran the American mission in Benghazi were suspected to be, not surprisingly, Islamic militants. It is unlikely, though, that they had any idea who, exactly, they were poisoning with diesel smoke. If Chris Stevens had been the target, it would have been simpler to hit his convoy or grab him on his morning run or snatch him from a meeting. Also, a live American ambassador would have been a more valuable asset than a dead one.

I think there's a lot more to what they were doing in a dump like Benghazi at that time, but I'm guessing that's classified for reasons other than reputation. There has been speculation about it of course.

[Ulysses G.]

I have enough military experience to accept that there would have been no military options available apart from, and only just maybe, coming in with guns ablazing from aircraft with subsequent, and unacceptable, collateral damage.

There seem to be a number of generals and former generals that have differing views on this, so I doubt that anyone on this forum has enough military experience to come to any definitive conclusions about what could have been done. That is why I am more concerned about the YouTube COVER UP than the lack of a military response. I am not even remotely sure who is telling the truth about that.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[snarky66]

It is fairly well accepted that this was a WHILE gun running scheme. Just like Iran Contra. Doherty & Woods were ex seal IT consultants tracking the serial numbers of the weapons destined for Syria. So many similarities to so many previous scandals but Watergate pales in comparison. The best we can hope for is that the House votes out articles of impeachment.

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