Pheu Thai accuses acting Senate speaker and 40 senators of supporting rebels

[Bluespunk]

"Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit submitted the complaint to DSI chief Tarit Pengdit and asked him to take legal action against the acting Senate Speaker Surachai Liangboonlertchai for allowing the Peoples Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) leader Suthep to enter Parliament building and hold discussion with him."

Thou shalt not talk with those who oppose PT or we shall set our tame copper on you

(red bible: chapter 4: how to abuse authority and demonise those who go against you).

[Bluespunk]

Ok just to shed light on the PDRC plans please. Love any of the apologists to have a go at this

Who is in the running for appointed PM and why is he suitable and not likely to side with PDRC or Reds?

What powers are invested in him or can he just do what he likes?

In the case of him not being a dictator, what are the checks and balances? is it policies that he enacts?

Who is voting on the policies and formulating them? Do they instantly get approval and if so from who? A committee? Suthep? Ananart?

Who is appointing any committees, chairmen, advisors, minions to run this breakaway cabinet.

What is nobody takes any notice of it? are its policies going to be enforced at the barrel of a gun? Remember here please that the Retired General trying to invoke Section 7 said any opponants of an appointed PM must be destroyed.!!! Read into that what you want, but he was quoted widely as having said that and at 92 years old has experience of how dissenters were dealt with under the old Thai regimes. Many dead seems to be the norm.

Its possible that a real (Independent) PM could come to the conclusion that Elections and Democracy are the way forward.. Most out side of PDRC believe this so why shouldn't a supposed neutral PM?

What if this does not fall in with What Suthep wants? It is quite clear now, that the PDRC is so marginalised that only one of their own could come put out policies that agree with him. Does Suthep have a veto?

So, is the dream of an appointed PM anything more than that?

Chuwit..in answer to ALL your questions!

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Chuwit is not the answer.

[Bluespunk]

Ok just to shed light on the PDRC plans please. Love any of the apologists to have a go at this

Who is in the running for appointed PM and why is he suitable and not likely to side with PDRC or Reds?

What powers are invested in him or can he just do what he likes?

In the case of him not being a dictator, what are the checks and balances? is it policies that he enacts?

Who is voting on the policies and formulating them? Do they instantly get approval and if so from who? A committee? Suthep? Ananart?

Who is appointing any committees, chairmen, advisors, minions to run this breakaway cabinet.

What is nobody takes any notice of it? are its policies going to be enforced at the barrel of a gun? Remember here please that the Retired General trying to invoke Section 7 said any opponants of an appointed PM must be destroyed.!!! Read into that what you want, but he was quoted widely as having said that and at 92 years old has experience of how dissenters were dealt with under the old Thai regimes. Many dead seems to be the norm.

Its possible that a real (Independent) PM could come to the conclusion that Elections and Democracy are the way forward.. Most out side of PDRC believe this so why shouldn't a supposed neutral PM?

What if this does not fall in with What Suthep wants? It is quite clear now, that the PDRC is so marginalised that only one of their own could come put out policies that agree with him. Does Suthep have a veto?

So, is the dream of an appointed PM anything more than that?

Chuwit..in answer to ALL your questions!

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Chuwit is not the answer.

[casualbiker]

Ok just to shed light on the PDRC plans please. Love any of the apologists to have a go at this

Who is in the running for appointed PM and why is he suitable and not likely to side with PDRC or Reds?

What powers are invested in him or can he just do what he likes?

In the case of him not being a dictator, what are the checks and balances? is it policies that he enacts?

Who is voting on the policies and formulating them? Do they instantly get approval and if so from who? A committee? Suthep? Ananart?

Who is appointing any committees, chairmen, advisors, minions to run this breakaway cabinet.

What is nobody takes any notice of it? are its policies going to be enforced at the barrel of a gun? Remember here please that the Retired General trying to invoke Section 7 said any opponants of an appointed PM must be destroyed.!!! Read into that what you want, but he was quoted widely as having said that and at 92 years old has experience of how dissenters were dealt with under the old Thai regimes. Many dead seems to be the norm.

Its possible that a real (Independent) PM could come to the conclusion that Elections and Democracy are the way forward.. Most out side of PDRC believe this so why shouldn't a supposed neutral PM?

What if this does not fall in with What Suthep wants? It is quite clear now, that the PDRC is so marginalised that only one of their own could come put out policies that agree with him. Does Suthep have a veto?

So, is the dream of an appointed PM anything more than that?

Chuwit..in answer to ALL your questions!

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Chuwit is not the answer.

As interim PM.. why!

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[Morch]

Either the article is incomplete or the Pheu Thai forgot to include ALL senators who were present during the talk with k. Suthep.

BTW how about Pheu Thai MP's flying abroad to consult with their great thinker, the criminal fugitive? We wouldn't like to display double standards, now would we?

That's why it's always good to do some research, rubl, it isn't hard. Took me less than a minute to discover that the Senate meeting was informal and only attracted about 60 senators.

Apart from being off topic, what about PTP MP's flying abroad to visit Thaksin? That isn't against the constitution or Thai Law. suthep has outstanding arrest warrants for murder and sedition. He is in this country and should be liable to arrest, not feted by the deputy speaker of the senate.

Your double standards argument is a desperate stretch of the imagination.

Is this the Thai version of the 100 mile rule?

[Bluespunk]

Ok just to shed light on the PDRC plans please. Love any of the apologists to have a go at this

Who is in the running for appointed PM and why is he suitable and not likely to side with PDRC or Reds?

What powers are invested in him or can he just do what he likes?

In the case of him not being a dictator, what are the checks and balances? is it policies that he enacts?

Who is voting on the policies and formulating them? Do they instantly get approval and if so from who? A committee? Suthep? Ananart?

Who is appointing any committees, chairmen, advisors, minions to run this breakaway cabinet.

What is nobody takes any notice of it? are its policies going to be enforced at the barrel of a gun? Remember here please that the Retired General trying to invoke Section 7 said any opponants of an appointed PM must be destroyed.!!! Read into that what you want, but he was quoted widely as having said that and at 92 years old has experience of how dissenters were dealt with under the old Thai regimes. Many dead seems to be the norm.

Its possible that a real (Independent) PM could come to the conclusion that Elections and Democracy are the way forward.. Most out side of PDRC believe this so why shouldn't a supposed neutral PM?

What if this does not fall in with What Suthep wants? It is quite clear now, that the PDRC is so marginalised that only one of their own could come put out policies that agree with him. Does Suthep have a veto?

So, is the dream of an appointed PM anything more than that?

Chuwit..in answer to ALL your questions!

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Chuwit is not the answer.

As interim PM.. why!

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His history and past sources of income.

[geriatrickid]

I believe the crime would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

Wow - So people who have a different political view are the enemy. The are in this instance the fellow countrymen of Thailand. They are not enemies.

Only a supporter of a dictatorship would use such terms. You clearly have more in common with Suthep than you might care to admit!!

Not really. If someone wishes to engage in illegal acts that seek the overthrow of a legally elected government by whatever means available, that person is deemed to be an enemy of the state.

[casualbiker]

Ok just to shed light on the PDRC plans please. Love any of the apologists to have a go at this

Who is in the running for appointed PM and why is he suitable and not likely to side with PDRC or Reds?

What powers are invested in him or can he just do what he likes?

In the case of him not being a dictator, what are the checks and balances? is it policies that he enacts?

Who is voting on the policies and formulating them? Do they instantly get approval and if so from who? A committee? Suthep? Ananart?

Who is appointing any committees, chairmen, advisors, minions to run this breakaway cabinet.

What is nobody takes any notice of it? are its policies going to be enforced at the barrel of a gun? Remember here please that the Retired General trying to invoke Section 7 said any opponants of an appointed PM must be destroyed.!!! Read into that what you want, but he was quoted widely as having said that and at 92 years old has experience of how dissenters were dealt with under the old Thai regimes. Many dead seems to be the norm.

Its possible that a real (Independent) PM could come to the conclusion that Elections and Democracy are the way forward.. Most out side of PDRC believe this so why shouldn't a supposed neutral PM?

What if this does not fall in with What Suthep wants? It is quite clear now, that the PDRC is so marginalised that only one of their own could come put out policies that agree with him. Does Suthep have a veto?

So, is the dream of an appointed PM anything more than that?

Chuwit..in answer to ALL your questions!

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Chuwit is not the answer.

As interim PM.. why!

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His history and past sources of income.

Not a problem .. TIT

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[Bluespunk]

@casualbiker

Maybe, but he makes my skin crawl.

[casualbiker]

I believe the crime would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

Wow - So people who have a different political view are the enemy. The are in this instance the fellow countrymen of Thailand. They are not enemies.

Only a supporter of a dictatorship would use such terms. You clearly have more in common with Suthep than you might care to admit!!

Not really. If someone wishes to engage in illegal acts that seek the overthrow of a legally elected government by whatever means available, that person is deemed to be an enemy of the state.

And people that want to split the country?

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[rreddin]

Caput gerat lupinum - and before anyone declares it's an english language forum - note that that's a legal concept. (Let his be a wolf's head)

Basically it is the punishment of "outlawry" - as the criminal chose to ignore all laws, therefore he is ruled to not have any rights under the law, and indeed may be persecuted and killed as if the criminal was a wild animal.

It was removed from the common law in 1938, however it was one of the original concepts that brought up "aiding and abetting" - which is what this topic is about. In the old law in many countries if you were found guilty of "aiding and abetting" you were subject to the same penalties.

You left out counselling and procuring, but that is being pedantic. On the subject of legal pedantry, and remaing on topic, for once Suthep and his mob are being accurately described as "rebels" albeit a journalistic shorthand was probably intended.

[rreddin]

I believe the crime would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

Wow - So people who have a different political view are the enemy. The are in this instance the fellow countrymen of Thailand. They are not enemies.

Only a supporter of a dictatorship would use such terms. You clearly have more in common with Suthep than you might care to admit!!

Not really. If someone wishes to engage in illegal acts that seek the overthrow of a legally elected government by whatever means available, that person is deemed to be an enemy of the state.

And people that want to split the country?

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The idea of "splitting the country", as you call it, did not exist until the pro Suthep parts of the popular press started scare mongering. It has been picked up by a few people in the former Lanna Kingdom, whose royal family still exists. Outside of this, it is not the mainstream policy of any group, including the insurgents in the former Sultanate of Patini - they want greater autonomy within Thaiand. The Sultanate of Patini used to be a protectorate of Siam.

How many times have we heard the phrase on this forum: be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Well, the scare mongering by the popular press and the army's reaction to it has started people talking about the idea, but, according to research by Khon Kean Universty, there is not any general support for secession. What some some people on this forum have called for is essentially a federal system of elected government under a constitutional monarchy. There is support for that amongst the Thais I have discussed this idea with, but no support for a republic.

[fab4]

two and a half years? more like slightly more than one year, it would seem. Only after the May 2010 riots thing got really started. There was confusion about the need to translate documents also.

2010-05-26

"Law enforcement officials will today begin the process to extradite fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra following court approval yesterday for a warrant for his arrest on a terrorism charge for the unrest in Thailand in recent weeks."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Warrant-approved-for-Thaksin-on-terror-30130223.html

2010-06-11

"However, DSI director-general Tharit Pengdit yesterday insisted that the request had been sent to the police last week. "I don't know why the police said they didn't get it," he said.Tharit also said the police should not pass to the DSI the job of translating Thaksin's arrest warrant into English"

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Police-DSI-squabble-over-seeking-Interpol-help-30131337.html

And probably the last

2011-08-16

"In regard to the discovery that Interpol did not circulate Thaksin's warrant of arrest, he said his government was at fault for failing to follow up on the issue."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Democrat-legal-team-to-probe-govt-involvement-in-T-30162897.html

Regarding the arrest warrant in this country, you probably refer to the one issued on 2012-10-12 by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions regarding a case involving a 11.58 billion Baht in loans by the state-owned KTB.

We had k. Noppadon then saying his boss not to accept the Supreme Court's decision to issue a warrant for his arrest in the Krung Thai Bank loan case.

The Nation, The Nation, The Nation......................must be true then.

So what do we have

"Only after the May 2010 riots thing got really started".

Well that's not quite true is it? Here we have Kasit complaining and talking of extradition and arrests as early as April 2009. There are probably reports before that but I didn't spend too long looking to be honest. For the sake of balance I've got one source from The Nation , one from the PAD site and the final source from the old discontinued TAN Network source

Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya said Monday he felt "uncomfortable" that some countries have allowed fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra to use them as springboard in attacking Thailand.

Referring to news reports that Thaksin is now taking shelter in Cambodia, Kasit said his ministry was checking the accuracy of the reports.

"[if the report is confirmed], it meant Cambodia loved Thaksin very much. Therefore, the case would surely affect the bilateral relationship," Kasit said.

Kasit has invited Bangkok-based envoys to a briefing on Wednesday concerning Thai legal procedures concerning extradition and arrests of fugitives.

Thai envoys based in countries which do not have an extradition treaty with Thailand -- such as Dubai, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates -- have explained to those governments how Thaksin has created a political crisis in this country, he said.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/06/politics/politics_30099733.php

The assistant to the foreign minister says that the United Arab Emirates has agreed to cooperate with Thailand in not providing a platform for exiled PM Thaksin Shinawatra to launch an attack against the Thai government. Latest report says Thaksin has already left the UAE.

Panich also said the ministry has prepared a draft of a bilateral extradition treaty that it will send to the UAE in an attempt to bring Thaksin back to Thailand.The draft will have to be approved by the Thai Parliament before the two countries can work on a bilateral extradition treaty, as the UAE also has a suspect in Thailand that they want extradited to the country. http://antithaksin.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/uae-confirms-thaksin-has-left-to-liberia/

And here we have for the finale

The Truth About Interpol Warrant for Thaksin

Now the truth that had been kept secret during the two and a half years when the Democrat-led government was in power has finally come to light when new Foreign Minister Surapong Towijakchaikul revealed that ousted former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was never on the wanted list of International Police, or Interpol, from the start.

The revelation came after the Japanese government spokesman confirmed that Japan has granted an entry visa to the former Thai premier upon request from the Thai government. Thaksin is scheduled to visit tsunami-hit areas in Miyagi Prefecture for one week from August 22 to 28.

It is unbelievable that the Interpol warrant for Thaksin that had been trumpeted about by the Democrat-led government has turned out to be just a hoax.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/491513-the-truth-about-interpol-warrant-for-thaksin/#entry4633522

Edited May 14, 2014 by fab4

[h90]

Chuwit..in answer to ALL your questions!

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Chuwit is not the answer.

As interim PM.. why!

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His history and past sources of income.

Well in compare to the next one from the Shinawatra clan I would prefer him. But I think he will just nicely fit into the Thai politic scene....

[anteater]

For all intends and purposes Prompong seems to have taken on the role of General. Each day, he sets the ever dutiful DSI to impeach everything that moves. Today, it's the new speaker of the Senate and forty senators. Tomorrow, who knows ? Pheu Thai has in effect gone mad. Like Jatuporn, people can't meet - even informally. They can't even talk - even informally. Like Dr. Narong - they can't speak against Pheu Thai. Like musicians in the north sympathetic to the PDRC, they can't perform. Like farmers - they can't protest. Everybody must be kept in line. Anything beyond that is insurrection - something apparently Pheu Thai and the UDD ( February 23 rally ) have been never guilty of. No, Chalerm turns a blind eye to all of that. He even manages to turn a blind eye to the Constitutional Court's ruling. But all things suspiciously not towing the Pheu Thai line - that's immediately insurrection. How tiresome.

You should be aware that "insurrection" means rising against established or government authority. The government is PT, not your constitutional court. It is the government which has the authority of the people's vote, not the court system. If the courts try to impose an unelected PM, then the people will rebel against that, in support of the elected government.

You seem to have some fantasy that PT is controlling information in Thailand. If that were true, why can Suthep do what he wishes in Bangkok, occupying buildings, blocking off streets, kidnapping and assassinating citizens?

If PT and the government had any control, surely they would close down these demos?

Quite obviously it is Suthep who is in control, backed up by his pals in the Bangkok elite network. The insurrection comes from Suthep and his outlaws.

So far there is an uneasy standoff. The only way Suthep can win this is by extreme violence. I fear that is coming.

Edited May 14, 2014 by anteater

[englishoak]

If its not a winning and elected party invited by the people by ballot its insurrection