Thai army chief warns military 'may use force' if unrest continues

[srsv1238]

Wow the coup mongers must be doing handstands now!

Wipe the shins DNA off the earth.I know what I'd do.

Blah blah blah most of the key board warriors have never seen a angry man an couldn't rip the skin off a rice custard!

The last thing Thailand needs is a coup!

What have a coup shove the lame duck abhisit back in unelected or sutep .Maybe throw the fake monk in.Hes earning quite a rep as a stand over man like his boss.

Democracy is the worst form of government ! Except for all the rest!

Good on ya Winston !

I asked you numerous times in other threads what you think about having governors elected...

You always have a big mouth but never reply. Weak.

. Having elected governors seems reasonable. What's the problem with that? While we are at it, let's make sure the senate is fully elected now as well.

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Given the only legal, democractic way forward is an elected government, chosen by the people to rule the country, an election seems to be a must.

This is absolutely correct IF the election is Free and Fair...

Are Democrat canvassers free to campaign in Isaan?

Are PTP canvassers free to campaign in the South?

Whilst canvassers get murdered for spreading the word, there are no free and fair elections. Forget vote buying, voter and canvasser intimidation is a huge issue.

I have never ever come across any stories about voter or canvasser intimidation in the north or south except for the most recent national elections when the democrats boycotted the elections and their allies physically blocked voters from voting.

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[tezzainoz]

Army Threatens Crackdown if Crisis Escalates

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The Royal Thai Army has warned that the military is willing to step in to bring about "order" if Thailand’s political unrest continues to escalate.

The warning was broadcast live on the army-owned TV Channel 5 this afternoon, hours after unidentified militants fired grenades and automatic rifles at an anti-government rally in Bangkok, killing at least three people and injuring over 20.

The statement, which was issued on behalf of army commander-in-cheif Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, strongly condemned the attack:

"The public should condemn all sides who employ violence and use military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, and the public should send information or clues [concerning the perpetrators] to the Army,” the statement read. The statement praised all efforts to seek a peaceful solution to the political crisis, but also noted: "however, legal channels and dialogues might not achieve much in this period of time, because there are many debates and disputes. [The efforts] may be too slow to respond to the situation, which indicates a rise in violence."

The army went on to issue its strongest warning of a potential military intervention yet:

"We would like to warn all groups, especially those who employ violence with military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, to cease these actions immediately. If the situation continues to be marked with violence, it will be necessary for the military to launch a full-scale effort to end the violence, in order to maintain order [and safety] in lives and properties of the people."

"If the situation escalates to the point that unrest breaks out, for the sake of public order, the army may be required to deploy the armed force to resolve the situation. In that stage, if any individual or any group of individuals or any armed group responds to the army [with violence] or continues to harm the innocent people, those individuals will be subject to extreme measures of suppression under the laws by the security forces, in which the wrongdoers will not be able to seek any compensation."

Although the army's statement did not clarify under what legal provisions the military would launch these "extreme measures of suppression," some observers believe the statement refers to a possible invocation of Martial Law. Under Thai laws, commanders of the armed forces are authorized to unilaterally impose Martial Law in the event of unrest or foreign invasion.

The statement also warned against any defamation of the army, which will be taken as "a slandering of dignity and pride of the army. All soldiers will not accept such gesture."

The statement added that the army "belongs to the Nation, the Religion, the Monarchy, and all Thai citizens. It does not belong to any certain side. However, the army will defend dignity, pride, and uphold the public order of the nation and the people in the fullest capacity when the need arises."

The statement is bound to raise the ire of many pro-government supporters, who have long viewed Gen. Prayuth and the army as sympathetic to the anti-government cause.

Since the current crisis erupted last November, Gen. Prayuth has refused to rule out the possibility of military coup, raising fears that the army is contemplating yet another coup against the elected government.

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, to whom the current administration is allied, was ousted by the army in 2006.

The statement made no mention of the current caretaker government, suggesting that the army may be willing to deploy troops without the consent of acting Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn.

Thailand has experienced eleven successful military coups since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1400148335&section=11&typecate=06

-- Khaosod English 2014-05-15

some will call it a Coup

Thaskin will say he was unfairly thrown out by the army

even when the truth is the army had no choice

Its first duty is to the people protection

and it was the 2 fighting parties that left no other choice

I do not think the will hand the government over to the dems

but I hope they will set up a caretaker to make reforms than hold a new election

But do you really think PTP or the paid Red Shirt are thinking about what is best for the country

There will be many member here that bad talk the army, in their eyes thai people should go to war, while they sit in the comfort of thier arm chairs at home, outside Thailand

[ginjag]

Can Prayuth be trusted at all?

Five infantry soldiers and one militia man suspected of involvement in the shooting of hardcore redshirt leader Kwanchai Praipana were granted bail by the Udon Thani provincial court after they were escorted by the police to face murder charges.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/udon-thani-court-grants-bails-six-suspects-kwanchai-shooting/

I would never deny any of the wrongs done by either side if it was beyond doubt that they did it.

But Anyone could pick out 100 of Jutaporns red army mob that have been involved with killing and wounding. SO WHY do you go against TVF rules and blast this incident up in large bold. To try to collect brownie points ????

Another one sided biased post instead of the whole picture.

[ginjag]

Army Threatens Crackdown if Crisis Escalates

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The Royal Thai Army has warned that the military is willing to step in to bring about "order" if Thailand’s political unrest continues to escalate.

The warning was broadcast live on the army-owned TV Channel 5 this afternoon, hours after unidentified militants fired grenades and automatic rifles at an anti-government rally in Bangkok, killing at least three people and injuring over 20.

The statement, which was issued on behalf of army commander-in-cheif Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, strongly condemned the attack:

"The public should condemn all sides who employ violence and use military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, and the public should send information or clues [concerning the perpetrators] to the Army,” the statement read. The statement praised all efforts to seek a peaceful solution to the political crisis, but also noted: "however, legal channels and dialogues might not achieve much in this period of time, because there are many debates and disputes. [The efforts] may be too slow to respond to the situation, which indicates a rise in violence."

The army went on to issue its strongest warning of a potential military intervention yet:

"We would like to warn all groups, especially those who employ violence with military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, to cease these actions immediately. If the situation continues to be marked with violence, it will be necessary for the military to launch a full-scale effort to end the violence, in order to maintain order [and safety] in lives and properties of the people."

"If the situation escalates to the point that unrest breaks out, for the sake of public order, the army may be required to deploy the armed force to resolve the situation. In that stage, if any individual or any group of individuals or any armed group responds to the army [with violence] or continues to harm the innocent people, those individuals will be subject to extreme measures of suppression under the laws by the security forces, in which the wrongdoers will not be able to seek any compensation."

Although the army's statement did not clarify under what legal provisions the military would launch these "extreme measures of suppression," some observers believe the statement refers to a possible invocation of Martial Law. Under Thai laws, commanders of the armed forces are authorized to unilaterally impose Martial Law in the event of unrest or foreign invasion.

The statement also warned against any defamation of the army, which will be taken as "a slandering of dignity and pride of the army. All soldiers will not accept such gesture."

The statement added that the army "belongs to the Nation, the Religion, the Monarchy, and all Thai citizens. It does not belong to any certain side. However, the army will defend dignity, pride, and uphold the public order of the nation and the people in the fullest capacity when the need arises."

The statement is bound to raise the ire of many pro-government supporters, who have long viewed Gen. Prayuth and the army as sympathetic to the anti-government cause.

Since the current crisis erupted last November, Gen. Prayuth has refused to rule out the possibility of military coup, raising fears that the army is contemplating yet another coup against the elected government.

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, to whom the current administration is allied, was ousted by the army in 2006.

The statement made no mention of the current caretaker government, suggesting that the army may be willing to deploy troops without the consent of acting Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn.

Thailand has experienced eleven successful military coups since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1400148335&section=11&typecate=06

-- Khaosod English 2014-05-15

some will call it a Coup

Thaskin will say he was unfairly thrown out by the army

even when the truth is the army had no choice

Its first duty is to the people protection

and it was the 2 fighting parties that left no other choice

I do not think the will hand the government over to the dems

but I hope they will set up a caretaker to make reforms than hold a new election

But do you really think PTP or the paid Red Shirt are thinking about what is best for the country

There will be many member here that bad talk the army, in their eyes thai people should go to war, while they sit in the comfort of thier arm chairs at home, outside Thailand

This is about the ghost from Dubai, who should never be involved with Thai politics.

My take on this and always has Thaksin wants this coup to happen because it will make the army the baddies and draw the attention away from a failed diabolical government that he tried to use to get a pardon and come here to be the head sharag again. in his dreams.

When the Amnesty bill went haywire this is when his plan began--revenge.

[Thaiisnotrequired]

With the benefit of hindsight, the army ought to have had a proper coup as soon as it was obvious that the PM had hobbled the judges during his asset hiding case after he first won power. He had no place continuing in a public capacity after that disgraceful event. The dozen or so years of chaos that his over-riding the justice system gave us was unfortunately quite an obvious result.

For this impending coup, they need to have a clear cut goal. That is to remove any trace of Shin DNA from any position of authority, for all time. I know how I would do that.

Any action by the army will backfire. The troops may side with the people and democracy instead.

Isn't that slightly ironic? Troops and Thai persons understanding democracy, for real?

Edited May 15, 2014 by Thaiisnotrequired

[rreddin]

Army Threatens Crackdown if Crisis Escalates

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The Royal Thai Army has warned that the military is willing to step in to bring about "order" if Thailand’s political unrest continues to escalate.

The warning was broadcast live on the army-owned TV Channel 5 this afternoon, hours after unidentified militants fired grenades and automatic rifles at an anti-government rally in Bangkok, killing at least three people and injuring over 20.

The statement, which was issued on behalf of army commander-in-cheif Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, strongly condemned the attack:

"The public should condemn all sides who employ violence and use military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, and the public should send information or clues [concerning the perpetrators] to the Army,” the statement read. The statement praised all efforts to seek a peaceful solution to the political crisis, but also noted: "however, legal channels and dialogues might not achieve much in this period of time, because there are many debates and disputes. [The efforts] may be too slow to respond to the situation, which indicates a rise in violence."

The army went on to issue its strongest warning of a potential military intervention yet:

"We would like to warn all groups, especially those who employ violence with military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, to cease these actions immediately. If the situation continues to be marked with violence, it will be necessary for the military to launch a full-scale effort to end the violence, in order to maintain order [and safety] in lives and properties of the people."

"If the situation escalates to the point that unrest breaks out, for the sake of public order, the army may be required to deploy the armed force to resolve the situation. In that stage, if any individual or any group of individuals or any armed group responds to the army [with violence] or continues to harm the innocent people, those individuals will be subject to extreme measures of suppression under the laws by the security forces, in which the wrongdoers will not be able to seek any compensation."

Although the army's statement did not clarify under what legal provisions the military would launch these "extreme measures of suppression," some observers believe the statement refers to a possible invocation of Martial Law. Under Thai laws, commanders of the armed forces are authorized to unilaterally impose Martial Law in the event of unrest or foreign invasion.

The statement also warned against any defamation of the army, which will be taken as "a slandering of dignity and pride of the army. All soldiers will not accept such gesture."

The statement added that the army "belongs to the Nation, the Religion, the Monarchy, and all Thai citizens. It does not belong to any certain side. However, the army will defend dignity, pride, and uphold the public order of the nation and the people in the fullest capacity when the need arises."

The statement is bound to raise the ire of many pro-government supporters, who have long viewed Gen. Prayuth and the army as sympathetic to the anti-government cause.

Since the current crisis erupted last November, Gen. Prayuth has refused to rule out the possibility of military coup, raising fears that the army is contemplating yet another coup against the elected government.

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, to whom the current administration is allied, was ousted by the army in 2006.

The statement made no mention of the current caretaker government, suggesting that the army may be willing to deploy troops without the consent of acting Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn.

Thailand has experienced eleven successful military coups since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1400148335&section=11&typecate=06

-- Khaosod English 2014-05-15

If that is not threatening a coup, nothing is. Only this time the army will not have the element of surprise nor will they have the support of the whole country. The army does not have enough troops to enforce a coup nationwide. If the army cannot enforce it nationwide, what is the point of a coup?

[angmo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27419558

See above link. If the military is so keen to stop violence why didn't they prevent the PDRC from breaking into the military base? Makes you wonder about their impartiality

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[Thaiisnotrequired]

Army Threatens Crackdown if Crisis Escalates

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The Royal Thai Army has warned that the military is willing to step in to bring about "order" if Thailand’s political unrest continues to escalate.

The warning was broadcast live on the army-owned TV Channel 5 this afternoon, hours after unidentified militants fired grenades and automatic rifles at an anti-government rally in Bangkok, killing at least three people and injuring over 20.

The statement, which was issued on behalf of army commander-in-cheif Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, strongly condemned the attack:

"The public should condemn all sides who employ violence and use military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, and the public should send information or clues [concerning the perpetrators] to the Army,” the statement read. The statement praised all efforts to seek a peaceful solution to the political crisis, but also noted: "however, legal channels and dialogues might not achieve much in this period of time, because there are many debates and disputes. [The efforts] may be too slow to respond to the situation, which indicates a rise in violence."

The army went on to issue its strongest warning of a potential military intervention yet:

"We would like to warn all groups, especially those who employ violence with military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, to cease these actions immediately. If the situation continues to be marked with violence, it will be necessary for the military to launch a full-scale effort to end the violence, in order to maintain order [and safety] in lives and properties of the people."

"If the situation escalates to the point that unrest breaks out, for the sake of public order, the army may be required to deploy the armed force to resolve the situation. In that stage, if any individual or any group of individuals or any armed group responds to the army [with violence] or continues to harm the innocent people, those individuals will be subject to extreme measures of suppression under the laws by the security forces, in which the wrongdoers will not be able to seek any compensation."

Although the army's statement did not clarify under what legal provisions the military would launch these "extreme measures of suppression," some observers believe the statement refers to a possible invocation of Martial Law. Under Thai laws, commanders of the armed forces are authorized to unilaterally impose Martial Law in the event of unrest or foreign invasion.

The statement also warned against any defamation of the army, which will be taken as "a slandering of dignity and pride of the army. All soldiers will not accept such gesture."

The statement added that the army "belongs to the Nation, the Religion, the Monarchy, and all Thai citizens. It does not belong to any certain side. However, the army will defend dignity, pride, and uphold the public order of the nation and the people in the fullest capacity when the need arises."

The statement is bound to raise the ire of many pro-government supporters, who have long viewed Gen. Prayuth and the army as sympathetic to the anti-government cause.

Since the current crisis erupted last November, Gen. Prayuth has refused to rule out the possibility of military coup, raising fears that the army is contemplating yet another coup against the elected government.

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, to whom the current administration is allied, was ousted by the army in 2006.

The statement made no mention of the current caretaker government, suggesting that the army may be willing to deploy troops without the consent of acting Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn.

Thailand has experienced eleven successful military coups since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1400148335&section=11&typecate=06

-- Khaosod English 2014-05-15

If that is not threatening a coup, nothing is. Only this time the army will not have the element of surprise nor will they have the support of the whole country. The army does not have enough troops to enforce a coup nationwide. If the army cannot enforce it nationwide, what is the point of a coup?

When was an army coup ever nationwide? If you don't perceive the divide which has ALWAYS existed between Bangkok and the Northern gateway, namely beyond Saraburi, then you wouldn't know why coups have happened from day 1, throughout the recent history of Thailand.

The army employs a coup because BKK is the financial and governmental run centre of the country...and mandates for such, I would have thought, would be clear enough for such actions when corrupt madmen take control of government as members who rape the country blind for personal profit.

If populations arrive at risk, which has often occured, and is occuring now through bombings and killings of protestors against such, and the police turn a blind eye (because they profit from such a corrupt government), then the army has little choice but to step in to protect the populus..... or is that too difficult to grab?

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With the benefit of hindsight, the army ought to have had a proper coup as soon as it was obvious that the PM had hobbled the judges during his asset hiding case after he first won power. He had no place continuing in a public capacity after that disgraceful event. The dozen or so years of chaos that his over-riding the justice system gave us was unfortunately quite an obvious result.

For this impending coup, they need to have a clear cut goal. That is to remove any trace of Shin DNA from any position of authority, for all time. I know how I would do that.

With the benefit of hindsight, the army should have rounded up the yellow shirts back in 2006, when they began to obstruct democracy. The government at the time had led strong economic growth, repayment of public debt, reduction in the military budget and perhaps most importantly an improvement in income equality. The potential growth lost in the past 8 years through the actions of a few greedy and jealous individuals has robbed the Thai people of their peace and prosperity. The facade of reforms and transparency is simply a ploy to maneuver their way back into power. They as well as any clear-headed individual knows that reforms will take decades, not months.

Strange how you make no mention of the other side of the picture, no mention of massive corruption, nepotism, etc ., and the fact that massive amounts of money have not appeared and now over 1 million poor farmers have not been paid for more than six months.

[Thaiisnotrequired]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27419558

See above link. If the military is so keen to stop violence why didn't they prevent the PDRC from breaking into the military base? Makes you wonder about their impartiality

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What is the difference between armed impartiality and not being confrontational with a corrupt police force?

Balances must needs be met, yet when a balance of corruption is not at 'the level', then that is when army commanders must make decisions about public safety.

It is clear that decisions were made by courts, and legally, to remove corrupt persons from office, and it is also clear that said 'bent' persons don't accept as such, as they are so corrupt they believe they could buy fridges from eskimos. Impartiality involves discretion, and somewhat value judgements based upon experience. However, when push comes to shove... I'd go with experience, and not personal value judgements...... which is what Prayuth has maintained to the extent he has.

[Fat Haggis]

Why not just make BKK a separate state as it's the only place suffering from the march of the lunatics and that's BOTH sides!!

Instead of wishing to govern the whole country have the rest of th country kick Bangkok and it's troubles into touch, hell even give Suthep his wishes and have his own little independent state!!!

Oh yeah if carlsberg did dreams???

Edited May 15, 2014 by Fat Haggis

[ginjag]

Why not just make BKK a separate state as it's the only place suffering from the march of the lunatics and that's BOTH sides!!

Instead of wishing to govern the whole country have the rest of th country kick Bangkok and it's troubles into touch, hell even give Suthep his wishes and have his own little independent state!!!

Oh yeah if carlsberg did dreams???

The only place suffering ????? hey come on mate, south--farmers-tourism-

[The stuttering parrot]

I'm just bewildered where it went from sutep wanting a coup to thaksin wanting a coup!

That's how crazy it's getting!

So imagine what's going through the average thai persons mind.

And the constant sensational headlines aren't helping at all!

[BlueNoseCodger]

Wow the coup mongers must be doing handstands now!

Wipe the shins DNA off the earth.I know what I'd do.

Blah blah blah most of the key board warriors have never seen a angry man an couldn't rip the skin off a rice custard!

The last thing Thailand needs is a coup!

What have a coup shove the lame duck abhisit back in unelected or sutep .Maybe throw the fake monk in.Hes earning quite a rep as a stand over man like his boss.

Democracy is the worst form of government ! Except for all the rest!

Good on ya Winston !

I asked you numerous times in other threads what you think about having governors elected...

You always have a big mouth but never reply. Weak.

. Having elected governors seems reasonable. What's the problem with that? While we are at it, let's make sure the senate is fully elected now as well.

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Given the only legal, democractic way forward is an elected government, chosen by the people to rule the country, an election seems to be a must.

This is absolutely correct IF the election is Free and Fair...

Are Democrat canvassers free to campaign in Isaan?

Are PTP canvassers free to campaign in the South?

Whilst canvassers get murdered for spreading the word, there are no free and fair elections. Forget vote buying, voter and canvasser intimidation is a huge issue.

No need to buy votes when you can legally buy voter's products at way above market.

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There are free and fair elections, they are free to canvas Isaan, and the south. Nobody pays the least bit attention to those trucks with the speakers blaring away.

The last outburst of violence was 2011, not Isaan or the south, but Samut Prakan (a PT canvasser was shot) and Ratchaburi (a Bhum Jhai canvaser was shot, although that was suspected corruption).

The TV time is the most important thing, and all the parties made their pitches on TV. Obviously Democrats have their Bluesky channel and Spring news, spouting propaganda 24/7 which is why they do well in the South.

Feb 2nd elections were peaceful, despite lots of warnings of violence this and that, nothing happened.

More to the point, I don't think for a second that your reforms are anything to do with making elections freer and fairer. It never is.

[Fat Haggis]

Bangkok matches mate , where in the South has there been as much disruption to the country and businesse suffer through marches?

I'm aware of the plight of the farmers

[ShannonT]

Maybe the army can start by removing the silly chipmunk from the streets.

I am sure that would help improve the political climate.

[jennywren]

I'm just bewildered where it went from sutep wanting a coup to thaksin wanting a coup!

That's how crazy it's getting!

So imagine what's going through the average thai persons mind.

And the constant sensational headlines aren't helping at all!

It is not beyond the bounds of probabilty that Thaksin could have a coup in his favour.

Knowing what we know behind the scenes a PDRC coup would not go un-opposed and a counter coup would put Thaksin well in the driving seat.

Many have lost sight, if they ever had it, that the cold reality is that the Army could attempt coup and lose!!! Don't bet your shirts on them succeeding for long even if they try it.

There are plenty of factions that will fight on both sides and this is why the army are reluctant. They are just not up to the job of fighting elite forces nor a guerlilla war across 75% of Thailand.!!!

Edited May 15, 2014 by jennywren

[Siripon]

I'm just bewildered where it went from sutep wanting a coup to thaksin wanting a coup!

That's how crazy it's getting!

So imagine what's going through the average thai persons mind.

And the constant sensational headlines aren't helping at all!

Thaksin wants a coup for world opinion, attention diverted away from the utter failure and corruption of his government to the cruel overthrow of the government desired by the majority of Thai people, led by the angelic Yingluck.

But it's not going to happen, maybe martial law to prevent the murderous assults on Suthep's supporters, but not a coup.

[MaxLee]

Thai army chief warns military 'may use force' if unrest continues

Come out now, because both lunatic leaders and party oppositions are so obsessed with saving face

[DLock]

The only end game can be a coup.

Everyday some group comes up with a plan to solve the political crisis, but none will ever gain traction. The gap widens daily.

Let the tanks roll and end the Red tyranny, restore order, dispatch Thaksin's remote control thugs, initiate reforms and then set about elections when things are stable.

If there is a Red uprising, crush them swiftly and decisively this time.

[Baerboxer]

With the benefit of hindsight, the army ought to have had a proper coup as soon as it was obvious that the PM had hobbled the judges during his asset hiding case after he first won power. He had no place continuing in a public capacity after that disgraceful event. The dozen or so years of chaos that his over-riding the justice system gave us was unfortunately quite an obvious result.

For this impending coup, they need to have a clear cut goal. That is to remove any trace of Shin DNA from any position of authority, for all time. I know how I would do that.

With the benefit of hindsight, the army should have rounded up the yellow shirts back in 2006, when they began to obstruct democracy. The government at the time had led strong economic growth, repayment of public debt, reduction in the military budget and perhaps most importantly an improvement in income equality. The potential growth lost in the past 8 years through the actions of a few greedy and jealous individuals has robbed the Thai people of their peace and prosperity. The facade of reforms and transparency is simply a ploy to maneuver their way back into power. They as well as any clear-headed individual knows that reforms will take decades, not months.

It's like life of Brian isn't it.

So apart from all the above fiscal brilliance (in Thai terms is was), getting the airport open, health care, OTOP, shutting the nude bars down (really got to the sexpats with that one), Social order policy, drugs suppression (yes it did work), hounding the loan sharks in Bangkok, village loans etc.

What else did they do for us.

What did the Dems ever do, Wring their hands and whine for a coup, then another, then another, then a new Constitution to rid them (Dems) of political opposition.

Why stop there? You should credit Thaksin with causing the global economic boom of the last decade.

If you ever come to Thailand you will be in for a shock. Girly bars, they are still here, nothing changed. Drugs? Well after the execution of over 3,000 innocents including children, there are still drugs here. Quantity same as before Thaksins purge but the prices went up. Hardly an improvement now is it? Social order policy?? Do you mean teaching an entire population that "corruption is normal"? You have lost me with that claim.

Fiscal brilliance - your having a laugh Jen, My in-laws still waiting payment for rice, now several months late. Overdue before the protests so don't pull that lame excuse.

Ah yes, but one dynastic family has increased its wealth 450% during the 3 years Yingluck's administration were in office. Some brilliance there alright.

[rreddin]

Army Threatens Crackdown if Crisis Escalates

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The Royal Thai Army has warned that the military is willing to step in to bring about "order" if Thailand’s political unrest continues to escalate.

The warning was broadcast live on the army-owned TV Channel 5 this afternoon, hours after unidentified militants fired grenades and automatic rifles at an anti-government rally in Bangkok, killing at least three people and injuring over 20.

The statement, which was issued on behalf of army commander-in-cheif Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, strongly condemned the attack:

"The public should condemn all sides who employ violence and use military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, and the public should send information or clues [concerning the perpetrators] to the Army,” the statement read. The statement praised all efforts to seek a peaceful solution to the political crisis, but also noted: "however, legal channels and dialogues might not achieve much in this period of time, because there are many debates and disputes. [The efforts] may be too slow to respond to the situation, which indicates a rise in violence."

The army went on to issue its strongest warning of a potential military intervention yet:

"We would like to warn all groups, especially those who employ violence with military-grade weapons on innocent citizens, to cease these actions immediately. If the situation continues to be marked with violence, it will be necessary for the military to launch a full-scale effort to end the violence, in order to maintain order [and safety] in lives and properties of the people."

"If the situation escalates to the point that unrest breaks out, for the sake of public order, the army may be required to deploy the armed force to resolve the situation. In that stage, if any individual or any group of individuals or any armed group responds to the army [with violence] or continues to harm the innocent people, those individuals will be subject to extreme measures of suppression under the laws by the security forces, in which the wrongdoers will not be able to seek any compensation."

Although the army's statement did not clarify under what legal provisions the military would launch these "extreme measures of suppression," some observers believe the statement refers to a possible invocation of Martial Law. Under Thai laws, commanders of the armed forces are authorized to unilaterally impose Martial Law in the event of unrest or foreign invasion.

The statement also warned against any defamation of the army, which will be taken as "a slandering of dignity and pride of the army. All soldiers will not accept such gesture."

The statement added that the army "belongs to the Nation, the Religion, the Monarchy, and all Thai citizens. It does not belong to any certain side. However, the army will defend dignity, pride, and uphold the public order of the nation and the people in the fullest capacity when the need arises."

The statement is bound to raise the ire of many pro-government supporters, who have long viewed Gen. Prayuth and the army as sympathetic to the anti-government cause.

Since the current crisis erupted last November, Gen. Prayuth has refused to rule out the possibility of military coup, raising fears that the army is contemplating yet another coup against the elected government.

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, to whom the current administration is allied, was ousted by the army in 2006.

The statement made no mention of the current caretaker government, suggesting that the army may be willing to deploy troops without the consent of acting Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn.

Thailand has experienced eleven successful military coups since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1400148335&section=11&typecate=06

-- Khaosod English 2014-05-15

If that is not threatening a coup, nothing is. Only this time the army will not have the element of surprise nor will they have the support of the whole country. The army does not have enough troops to enforce a coup nationwide. If the army cannot enforce it nationwide, what is the point of a coup?

When was an army coup ever nationwide? If you don't perceive the divide which has ALWAYS existed between Bangkok and the Northern gateway, namely beyond Saraburi, then you wouldn't know why coups have happened from day 1, throughout the recent history of Thailand.

The army employs a coup because BKK is the financial and governmental run centre of the country...and mandates for such, I would have thought, would be clear enough for such actions when corrupt madmen take control of government as members who rape the country blind for personal profit.

If populations arrive at risk, which has often occured, and is occuring now through bombings and killings of protestors against such, and the police turn a blind eye (because they profit from such a corrupt government), then the army has little choice but to step in to protect the populus..... or is that too difficult to grab?

I think you are overlooking three things:

1. This not 2006. Then, the army had the element of surprise when both the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minsiter were out of the country and there was nobody in government to make effective decisions.

2. While Bangkok is important to Thailand, Bangkok no longer is Thailand and over the next 5 to 10 years, economically, while Bangkok will remain important to the North and North East of the country, its importance will decline.

2. Thailand is not an homogenous country. The former Sultanate of Patini, a former Thai protectorate, has very little in common wth the rest of the country. The majority speak a different language and follow a different religion. The former Lanna Kingdom still influences the North; and much of Isaan has more in common, culturally, with Laos than Bangkok.

Furthermore, pro-government supportes have already said that if there was another coup, they would ignore it. They claim to have measures have in place to mitigate the effects of a coup - one of which is to relocate the acting government to another part of the country. Therein lies a problem for the coup makers if they do not control all of the country. Coups are never legitimate no matter how well intentioned, so would the puppet government installed by the coup makers be recognized? The reality is that Thailand could have two governments, each recognized by different countries and by different parts of Thailand.

While the PRDC and UDD are competing for the hearts amd minds of the Thai people, it is a matter of public record that the UDD has been busy building anti-coup opinion with Thailand's key allies and trading partners including the EU and US. The US has already given a warning about a possible coup, albeit couched in diplomatic language.

I commented on large numbers of troops being tied up by a mall number of people for two reasons. Firstly, from their experience in the South, the army knows this to be true; and, secondly because the more extreme fringe of pro-government supporters have said they will wage a geurilla war if there is a coup. In addition, there would be an element of civil disbediance.

The question remains: If the army cannot enforce it nationwide, what is the point of a coup?

[Baerboxer]

I'm just bewildered where it went from sutep wanting a coup to thaksin wanting a coup!

That's how crazy it's getting!

So imagine what's going through the average thai persons mind.

And the constant sensational headlines aren't helping at all!

It is not beyond the bounds of probabilty that Thaksin could have a coup in his favour.

Knowing what we know behind the scenes a PDRC coup would not go un-opposed and a counter coup would put Thaksin well in the driving seat.

Many have lost sight, if they ever had it, that the cold reality is that the Army could attempt coup and lose!!! Don't bet your shirts on them succeeding for long even if they try it.

There are plenty of factions that will fight on both sides and this is why the army are reluctant. They are just not up to the job of fighting elite forces nor a guerlilla war across 75% of Thailand.!!!

Elite forces - what like the red militia or the democracy defense volunteers

We all saw how spineless certain mouthy leaders were last time.

[Tokay]

What tactics? I believe the army chief was referring to yesterday's bombing of PDRC supporters (while they were sleeping).

I think it is time for the moderation in this forum to crack down on this group of Panthip based "Cyber Soldiers" that have been flooding the news section with misinformation and outright lies for months now.

Absolutely in agreement. It's Pipkins all over again. Literally 'flooding' forum with crappy photoshop pictures in order to spread nonsensical propaganda which has no foundation in reality.

And you would know this how, because someone in the village heard from someone else in the village, who happens to know your wife, that it isn't true?

Sometimes things are fake. Sometimes they are not. Time will tell which is which or if it even matters. I do understand that some of you desperately want it to be propaganda, and it may be, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to say either way while sitting in front of a computer.

[wellred]

2 words Thai Visa - Russian Doll

Does this mean anything to you? So annoying having to scroll down so many embedded quotes. There should be a rule against this. Anyway....

I read on Michael Yon's page that Taksin is in SG trying to negotiate a deal. He wants his money back as well as all cases dropped against his family including the rice deal. In return the government will resign. If not he threatens to fight.

How much money is he owed?

[smedly]

is anyone listening to this very smart man - Prayuth is without doubt is a savior for Thailand, he is the only player that has any sense and has been proven on numerous occaisions

I Vote him for Interim PM - Thailand deserves him

[noitom]

The Thai army got scared away from doing the right thing and should have stopped the ludicrous violence long ago and arrested the seditionists. They were afraid of international public opinion and losing their funding from the US. Now they are confused, tentative, and in a tough spot. A coup now will ill advised and raise the issue of Thailand's vulnerability.

They will lose US and international support, the will have an exposure in Bangkok, they will be totally exposed to further attacks by the rebels in the south and the majority of Thais will reject being placed under military control yet again. No matter who the military appoints as interim PM, they will be rejected by the Thaksin support infrastructure.

[chooka]

The only end game can be a coup.

Everyday some group comes up with a plan to solve the political crisis, but none will ever gain traction. The gap widens daily.

Let the tanks roll and end the Red tyranny, restore order, dispatch Thaksin's remote control thugs, initiate reforms and then set about elections when things are stable.

If there is a Red uprising, crush them swiftly and decisively this time.

So violent, and the government has been taking a softly softly approach against the yellows. If the reds demonstrate your solution is to crush them swiftly and decisively, what happened to freedom or is that just reserved for the rich elite yellows, Suthep and the MAD MONK.

[smedly]

Oh and I forgot - have the mass redshirt supporters remained or did they leave when they found out they were not going to get paid

The people supporting the removal of Thakisn have remained steadfast under a barrage of constant gun and grenade attacks have had the numbers when required from ordinary Thai people who are fed up with the red mafia and the PTP thieves

Thaksin "lies" by the pool on his phone giving instructions to the lemmings that follow this mad man while he pays for his minions to carry out his evil instructions - and the biggest joke of it all - he's doing it with money stolen from the good Thai people and they think he's saving them - you know what - Hitler was evil but Thaksin is catching him by the day

WE have Redshirt leaders starting an airline business - hello has the penny dropped yet, I have never seen a people on earth that are so focused on money that it beggars belief - it's a shame - greed holds no bounds in Thailand and it's a shame but falangs are probably partly to blame - we have shown them the way

WE have a serious drug problem and gang/gun culture emerging among the young people here and the police are most likely the driving force.................again extreme greed floats to the top

Very sad for a very nice people - For They Know Not What They Do..

[smedly]

The only end game can be a coup.

Everyday some group comes up with a plan to solve the political crisis, but none will ever gain traction. The gap widens daily.

Let the tanks roll and end the Red tyranny, restore order, dispatch Thaksin's remote control thugs, initiate reforms and then set about elections when things are stable.

If there is a Red uprising, crush them swiftly and decisively this time.

So violent, and the government has been taking a softly softly approach against the yellows. If the reds demonstrate your solution is to crush them swiftly and decisively, what happened to freedom or is that just reserved for the rich elite yellows, Suthep and the MAD MONK.

what is a yellow - in case you hadn't noticed it is simply just your average Thai on the streets wanting the extraction of a bad tooth called Thaksin - there is nothing yellow about it

If only I could break forum rules and tell you exactly what I think of you......you get the idea anyway Mr Amsterdam