Elected Thai senators to boycott informal meeting

[Fat Haggis]

Still got that petted lip I see Ginjag pardon me for not calling winstonc by his full title I shall throw myself off a cliff for being so illiterate

I'll be posting like a maniac again in the coming days so I will be on your cAse like white on rice 5555 just kidding have a good evening sit

[ginjag]

Still got that petted lip I see Ginjag pardon me for not calling winstonc by his full title I shall throw myself off a cliff for being so illiterate

I'll be posting like a maniac again in the coming days so I will be on your cAse like white on rice 5555 just kidding have a good evening sit

No problem POM POOEY, -You do post like a maniac-no change there. Changed your flight -thought you hoped Thailand would be sorted on your return, would have missed you dear.

[northernjohn]

"Besides, he said, bringing senators out to express their views publicly is inappropriate and risks to be rejected by other groups of people."

Kind of like saying we don't want to have people see what we really are. More than likely he figures any one who voted for him would forget his promises in a couple of months and then it would be OK to come out of the closet.

[BlueNoseCodger]

To Sum up their proposal

1. Elections get suspended indefinitely, EC will see to that presumably. Can't have any pesky voters choosing a leader as per the constitution.

2. Acting Senate Speaker, Surachai Liangboonlertchai, (an appointed Senator) will find a way to prevent elected Caretaker Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan from being Caretaker Prime Minister, by discussing options with 12 independent agencies (not actually independent, they are appointees of the Senate).

3. A group of senators (mostly appointees) will ask the Constitutional Court to then remove Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan.

4. Surachai is only acting Senate Speaker until the Caretaker PM sends him name in and His Majesty approves it.

5. So somehow the acting Senate Speaker will take the role of Caretaker PM and submit his own name for approval. (Conflict of interest + magic law + time travel needed)

6. He (as acting PM) then approves a Senate special meeting (conflict of interest) which will then issue a resolution to let the Senate act as the elected House of Representatives (approved by him as Caretaker PM, conflict of interest).

7. That fake House of Representatives will then propose a Constitution Change (flatly illegal 132 limits Senate duties in that role, you'd need a change in the constitution for the Senate standing as the House to propose a change in the constitution).

8. That Change will then be approved by the Senate acting as the House of Representatives, which will then approve it, and then the Senate acting as the Senate (conflict of interest), which will then be approved by the Senate Speaker, acting as the Acting Prime Minister will send it up for approval.

9. Then they'll choose an Government and Prime Minister, by some means not decided yet. The change of point 8, will have to remove the requirement that the PM and Cabinet must be elected and from the House of Representatives and not a Senator. So in otherwords, it will make the Government appointed not elected.

10. They'll pick a PM and Cabinet and that will be sent up for approval.

    Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

Section 69. A person shall have the right to resist peacefully an act committed for the acquisition of the power to rule the country by a means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So at that point, they would control the Senate, appointed the Independent Agencies, be impersonating the House of Representatives, have picked the Cabinet and the Prime Minister. The law will at that point say that the Government is Appointed not Elected, because that was required for step 9. So in effect this is an end to elected governments.

They promise (cross your heart and hope to die) to only hold power for a little bit.

Jatuporn says they want to make General Prayuth the Prime Minister. This is presumably why General Prayuth is suddenly beating his military coup drums. It will provide them with an army to fight the inevitable angry mob of protestors who've just lost democracy.

If you recall their last fake poll on the subject.

Dusit Poll conducted the survey of opinions from a total of 1,118.

35.04% General Prayuth (the Army Chief) = 391.7472 people. The total was 148.02%

Since he was named in that poll, along with other figures that have been proposed, Jutaporns comment seems plausible.

(also note casualbiker that the above is the acting Senate Speakers own proposed legal route to installing an appointed PM, I've simply described and annotated it).

[moe666]

PTP Senators are a bit like posters here who change their name, no guts, no glory

[casualbiker]

To Sum up their proposal

• Elections get suspended indefinitely, EC will see to that presumably. Can't have any pesky voters choosing a leader as per the constitution.

• Acting Senate Speaker, Surachai Liangboonlertchai, (an appointed Senator) will find a way to prevent elected Caretaker Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan from being Caretaker Prime Minister, by discussing options with 12 independent agencies (not actually independent, they are appointees of the Senate).

• A group of senators (mostly appointees) will ask the Constitutional Court to then remove Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan.

• Surachai is only acting Senate Speaker until the Caretaker PM sends him name in and His Majesty approves it.

• So somehow the acting Senate Speaker will take the role of Caretaker PM and submit his own name for approval. (Conflict of interest + magic law + time travel needed)

• He (as acting PM) then approves a Senate special meeting (conflict of interest) which will then issue a resolution to let the Senate act as the elected House of Representatives (approved by him as Caretaker PM, conflict of interest).

• That fake House of Representatives will then propose a Constitution Change (flatly illegal 132 limits Senate duties in that role, you'd need a change in the constitution for the Senate standing as the House to propose a change in the constitution).

• That Change will then be approved by the Senate acting as the House of Representatives, which will then approve it, and then the Senate acting as the Senate (conflict of interest), which will then be approved by the Senate Speaker, acting as the Acting Prime Minister will send it up for approval.

• Then they'll choose an Government and Prime Minister, by some means not decided yet. The change of point 8, will have to remove the requirement that the PM and Cabinet must be elected and from the House of Representatives and not a Senator. So in otherwords, it will make the Government appointed not elected.

• They'll pick a PM and Cabinet and that will be sent up for approval.

  Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

Section 69. A person shall have the right to resist peacefully an act committed for the acquisition of the power to rule the country by a means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So at that point, they would control the Senate, appointed the Independent Agencies, be impersonating the House of Representatives, have picked the Cabinet and the Prime Minister. The law will at that point say that the Government is Appointed not Elected, because that was required for step 9. So in effect this is an end to elected governments.

They promise (cross your heart and hope to die) to only hold power for a little bit.

Jatuporn says they want to make General Prayuth the Prime Minister. This is presumably why General Prayuth is suddenly beating his military coup drums. It will provide them with an army to fight the inevitable angry mob of protestors who've just lost democracy.

If you recall their last fake poll on the subject.

Dusit Poll conducted the survey of opinions from a total of 1,118.

35.04% General Prayuth (the Army Chief) = 391.7472 people. The total was 148.02%

Since he was named in that poll, along with other figures that have been proposed, Jutaporns comment seems plausible.

(also note casualbiker that the above is the acting Senate Speakers own proposed legal route to installing an appointed PM, I've simply described and annotated it).

With unsubstantiated rumors from Jaturporn..

We have Abhisit offering solutions. We have the Senate offering solutions .. what are PTP offering .. legal action .. obstruction .. and shouting for elections that cannot possibly be fair (presuming all parties partook) because of the split and antagonism within the country .. All are at fault PDRC ..PTP and the Democrats ..

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[Som wat]

The constitution needs to be amended the right way and all senators and governors must be elected not having someone pick who going to be your voice about matters of state. Free and fair elections need to be held now and reform of people rights to vote for their choice to represent them not some elite academic who doesn't not represent your feeling.

If only wishing could make it so. Unfortunately, "free and fair" elections are not possible in the present political climate.

Of course they're not.

And they won't be until Suthep tells us so, in 20 or so years time.

[BlueNoseCodger]

To Sum up their proposal

• Elections get suspended indefinitely, EC will see to that presumably. Can't have any pesky voters choosing a leader as per the constitution.

• Acting Senate Speaker, Surachai Liangboonlertchai, (an appointed Senator) will find a way to prevent elected Caretaker Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan from being Caretaker Prime Minister, by discussing options with 12 independent agencies (not actually independent, they are appointees of the Senate).

• A group of senators (mostly appointees) will ask the Constitutional Court to then remove Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan.

• Surachai is only acting Senate Speaker until the Caretaker PM sends him name in and His Majesty approves it.

• So somehow the acting Senate Speaker will take the role of Caretaker PM and submit his own name for approval. (Conflict of interest + magic law + time travel needed)

• He (as acting PM) then approves a Senate special meeting (conflict of interest) which will then issue a resolution to let the Senate act as the elected House of Representatives (approved by him as Caretaker PM, conflict of interest).

• That fake House of Representatives will then propose a Constitution Change (flatly illegal 132 limits Senate duties in that role, you'd need a change in the constitution for the Senate standing as the House to propose a change in the constitution).

• That Change will then be approved by the Senate acting as the House of Representatives, which will then approve it, and then the Senate acting as the Senate (conflict of interest), which will then be approved by the Senate Speaker, acting as the Acting Prime Minister will send it up for approval.

• Then they'll choose an Government and Prime Minister, by some means not decided yet. The change of point 8, will have to remove the requirement that the PM and Cabinet must be elected and from the House of Representatives and not a Senator. So in otherwords, it will make the Government appointed not elected.

• They'll pick a PM and Cabinet and that will be sent up for approval.

  Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

Section 69. A person shall have the right to resist peacefully an act committed for the acquisition of the power to rule the country by a means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So at that point, they would control the Senate, appointed the Independent Agencies, be impersonating the House of Representatives, have picked the Cabinet and the Prime Minister. The law will at that point say that the Government is Appointed not Elected, because that was required for step 9. So in effect this is an end to elected governments.

They promise (cross your heart and hope to die) to only hold power for a little bit.

Jatuporn says they want to make General Prayuth the Prime Minister. This is presumably why General Prayuth is suddenly beating his military coup drums. It will provide them with an army to fight the inevitable angry mob of protestors who've just lost democracy.

If you recall their last fake poll on the subject.

Dusit Poll conducted the survey of opinions from a total of 1,118.

35.04% General Prayuth (the Army Chief) = 391.7472 people. The total was 148.02%

Since he was named in that poll, along with other figures that have been proposed, Jutaporns comment seems plausible.

(also note casualbiker that the above is the acting Senate Speakers own proposed legal route to installing an appointed PM, I've simply described and annotated it).

With unsubstantiated rumors from Jaturporn..

We have Abhisit offering solutions. We have the Senate offering solutions .. what are PTP offering .. legal action .. obstruction .. and shouting for elections that cannot possibly be fair (presuming all parties partook) because of the split and antagonism within the country .. All are at fault PDRC ..PTP and the Democrats ..

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To paraphrase:

Abhisit: "give us power without elections"

Surachai: "give us power without elections"

Suthep: "give us power without elections"

Jutaporn: "hold elections, give power to whoever wins as per the constitution"

Yeh we get it, you don't have support, you can't win elections. You were set to lose Bangkok and some of the southern seats, and without even a fake shell of "Thai people" behind you, your sides power base would shrivel.

So you come up with a Judicial coup that fails in the main aspect: the fake veneer of legality about it.

[casualbiker]

To Sum up their proposal

• Elections get suspended indefinitely, EC will see to that presumably. Can't have any pesky voters choosing a leader as per the constitution.
• Acting Senate Speaker, Surachai Liangboonlertchai, (an appointed Senator) will find a way to prevent elected Caretaker Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan from being Caretaker Prime Minister, by discussing options with 12 independent agencies (not actually independent, they are appointees of the Senate).
• A group of senators (mostly appointees) will ask the Constitutional Court to then remove Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan.
• Surachai is only acting Senate Speaker until the Caretaker PM sends him name in and His Majesty approves it.
• So somehow the acting Senate Speaker will take the role of Caretaker PM and submit his own name for approval. (Conflict of interest + magic law + time travel needed)
• He (as acting PM) then approves a Senate special meeting (conflict of interest) which will then issue a resolution to let the Senate act as the elected House of Representatives (approved by him as Caretaker PM, conflict of interest).
• That fake House of Representatives will then propose a Constitution Change (flatly illegal 132 limits Senate duties in that role, you'd need a change in the constitution for the Senate standing as the House to propose a change in the constitution).
• That Change will then be approved by the Senate acting as the House of Representatives, which will then approve it, and then the Senate acting as the Senate (conflict of interest), which will then be approved by the Senate Speaker, acting as the Acting Prime Minister will send it up for approval.
• Then they'll choose an Government and Prime Minister, by some means not decided yet. The change of point 8, will have to remove the requirement that the PM and Cabinet must be elected and from the House of Representatives and not a Senator. So in otherwords, it will make the Government appointed not elected.
• They'll pick a PM and Cabinet and that will be sent up for approval.

  Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

Section 69. A person shall have the right to resist peacefully an act committed for the acquisition of the power to rule the country by a means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So at that point, they would control the Senate, appointed the Independent Agencies, be impersonating the House of Representatives, have picked the Cabinet and the Prime Minister. The law will at that point say that the Government is Appointed not Elected, because that was required for step 9. So in effect this is an end to elected governments.

They promise (cross your heart and hope to die) to only hold power for a little bit.

Jatuporn says they want to make General Prayuth the Prime Minister. This is presumably why General Prayuth is suddenly beating his military coup drums. It will provide them with an army to fight the inevitable angry mob of protestors who've just lost democracy.

If you recall their last fake poll on the subject.

Dusit Poll conducted the survey of opinions from a total of 1,118.

35.04% General Prayuth (the Army Chief) = 391.7472 people. The total was 148.02%

Since he was named in that poll, along with other figures that have been proposed, Jutaporns comment seems plausible.

(also note casualbiker that the above is the acting Senate Speakers own proposed legal route to installing an appointed PM, I've simply described and annotated it).

With unsubstantiated rumors from Jaturporn..

We have Abhisit offering solutions. We have the Senate offering solutions .. what are PTP offering .. legal action .. obstruction .. and shouting for elections that cannot possibly be fair (presuming all parties partook) because of the split and antagonism within the country .. All are at fault PDRC ..PTP and the Democrats ..

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To paraphrase:

Abhisit: "give us power without elections"

Surachai: "give us power without elections"

Suthep: "give us power without elections"

Jutaporn: "hold elections, give power to whoever wins as per the constitution"

Yeh we get it, you don't have support, you can't win elections. You were set to lose Bangkok and some of the southern seats, and without even a fake shell of "Thai people" behind you, your sides power base would shrivel.

So you come up with a Judicial coup that fails in the main aspect: the fake veneer of legality about it.

I thought Jatuporn wanted democracy but now your saying he wants power!

I also think you missed.

Abhisit: "give us power to do reform with all relevant parties and then have free and fair elections within 18 months "

Repeat 2 more times!

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[BlueNoseCodger]

To Sum up their proposal

• Elections get suspended indefinitely, EC will see to that presumably. Can't have any pesky voters choosing a leader as per the constitution.
• Acting Senate Speaker, Surachai Liangboonlertchai, (an appointed Senator) will find a way to prevent elected Caretaker Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan from being Caretaker Prime Minister, by discussing options with 12 independent agencies (not actually independent, they are appointees of the Senate).
• A group of senators (mostly appointees) will ask the Constitutional Court to then remove Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan.
• Surachai is only acting Senate Speaker until the Caretaker PM sends him name in and His Majesty approves it.
• So somehow the acting Senate Speaker will take the role of Caretaker PM and submit his own name for approval. (Conflict of interest + magic law + time travel needed)
• He (as acting PM) then approves a Senate special meeting (conflict of interest) which will then issue a resolution to let the Senate act as the elected House of Representatives (approved by him as Caretaker PM, conflict of interest).
• That fake House of Representatives will then propose a Constitution Change (flatly illegal 132 limits Senate duties in that role, you'd need a change in the constitution for the Senate standing as the House to propose a change in the constitution).
• That Change will then be approved by the Senate acting as the House of Representatives, which will then approve it, and then the Senate acting as the Senate (conflict of interest), which will then be approved by the Senate Speaker, acting as the Acting Prime Minister will send it up for approval.
• Then they'll choose an Government and Prime Minister, by some means not decided yet. The change of point 8, will have to remove the requirement that the PM and Cabinet must be elected and from the House of Representatives and not a Senator. So in otherwords, it will make the Government appointed not elected.
• They'll pick a PM and Cabinet and that will be sent up for approval.

  Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

Section 69. A person shall have the right to resist peacefully an act committed for the acquisition of the power to rule the country by a means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So at that point, they would control the Senate, appointed the Independent Agencies, be impersonating the House of Representatives, have picked the Cabinet and the Prime Minister. The law will at that point say that the Government is Appointed not Elected, because that was required for step 9. So in effect this is an end to elected governments.

They promise (cross your heart and hope to die) to only hold power for a little bit.

To paraphrase:

Abhisit: "give us power without elections"

Surachai: "give us power without elections"

Suthep: "give us power without elections"

Jutaporn: "hold elections, give power to whoever wins as per the constitution"

Yeh we get it, you don't have support, you can't win elections. You were set to lose Bangkok and some of the southern seats, and without even a fake shell of "Thai people" behind you, your sides power base would shrivel.

So you come up with a Judicial coup that fails in the main aspect: the fake veneer of legality about it.

I thought Jatuporn wanted democracy but now your saying he wants power!

I also think you missed.

Abhisit: "give us power to do reform with all relevant parties and then have free and fair elections within 18 months "

Repeat 2 more times!

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Read again:

Jutaporn: "hold elections, give power to whoever wins as per the constitution"

Jutaporn isn't standing for elections, and so can't be given power by the voters in an election.

What reforms? 7 months in, can you even state your reforms?... well what would it matter, point 9 of his plan would require the Constitution be changed to make the Government (Cabinet + Prime Minister) be appointed by this Senate group. So reform becomes an abstract concept after that.

Edited May 16, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[rubl]

People keep asking what reforms while if a party would give a full plan on reforms they would be condemned. Even Abhisit's guidelines are already condemned.

Imagine, posters here don't want reforms it seems, only elections to continue the current mess without any corrections.

Edited May 16, 2014 by rubl

[pmugghc]

"He disagreed with the attempt of the acting Senate speaker to find ways out for the country without listening to all sides."

the interim acting temporary caretaker PM would love to, but simply is too busy, he had no time to meet the Senate Speaker. The poor chap is as busy as Ms. Yingluck was in avoiding the talks they really would like to have.

Niwattumrong says he has no time for discussing political solution with Senate

BANGKOK: -- Acting Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan said Friday that he has no time for meeting the Senate to discuss political solutions.

The Senate invited the government to hold a discussion with the Senate on Saturday.

Niwattumrong said he had to work in Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai and other northern provinces over the weekend and would have no time for a meeting with the Senate.

-- The Nation 2014-05-16

He's not the Senate speaker, he's the deputy senate speaker holding unofficial meetings of the senate and declaring that what comes out of those meetings are legitimate when half the actual Senate is not present at those meetings.

Why would the acting Caretaker PM give credence to such an obvious non partisan grouping by attending their closed door meetings?

Yeah why, an "acting caretaker PM" has just such a prestigious ring to it!

BTW I heard he's rescheduled his meeting with this senate group to Monday.

Edited May 16, 2014 by pmugghc

[kimamey]

The constitution needs to be amended the right way and all senators and governors must be elected not having someone pick who going to be your voice about matters of state. Free and fair elections need to be held now and reform of people rights to vote for their choice to represent them not some elite academic who doesn't not represent your feeling.

If only wishing could make it so. Unfortunately, "free and fair" elections are not possible in the present political climate.

yes Thailand shouldn't a dictatorship with appointed Senators like Canada or UK

I'm assuming that's sarcasm, in which case agree. The trouble is Thailand isn't like Canada or the UK.

[Fat Haggis]

No rubl, posters here are asking WHAT these reforms are?

If you go into battle you do so with a plan of attack the PDRC surely would have had an idea what reforms they have in mind before they kick started their campaign or are you simply aknowledging that they're bluffing their case all along and only start on the reforms if they got into power? Posters and critics alike have been asking what exactly are these reforms Suthep harps on about, he must have known what they would be from day one and now 7 months down the line there's still no sign of these points to reform, it's a bluff he needs to it up or shut up and put his reforms out there for the electorate to mull over, you have to feed the beast so to speak, a carrot on a stick.

You are going along with his charm offensive but seem happy to know that his reforms are a red herring till he gets his peoples councillor his elected PM which would be his choice only which is called nepotism!! Remember that? What got Yingluck booted from office? Or is nepotism fine in this case?

So rubl, can you answer the question as in what exactly are these reforms that Suthep desires?

Your opinions of what they should be are a non starter as your not Suthep or the PDRC, I'm sure many people would love to know the EXACT reforms straight from Sutheps mouth, it's not too much to ask if you want to convince the electorate to support you is it ?

[casualbiker]

To Sum up their proposal

• Elections get suspended indefinitely, EC will see to that presumably. Can't have any pesky voters choosing a leader as per the constitution.
• Acting Senate Speaker, Surachai Liangboonlertchai, (an appointed Senator) will find a way to prevent elected Caretaker Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan from being Caretaker Prime Minister, by discussing options with 12 independent agencies (not actually independent, they are appointees of the Senate).
• A group of senators (mostly appointees) will ask the Constitutional Court to then remove Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan.
• Surachai is only acting Senate Speaker until the Caretaker PM sends him name in and His Majesty approves it.
• So somehow the acting Senate Speaker will take the role of Caretaker PM and submit his own name for approval. (Conflict of interest + magic law + time travel needed)
• He (as acting PM) then approves a Senate special meeting (conflict of interest) which will then issue a resolution to let the Senate act as the elected House of Representatives (approved by him as Caretaker PM, conflict of interest).
• That fake House of Representatives will then propose a Constitution Change (flatly illegal 132 limits Senate duties in that role, you'd need a change in the constitution for the Senate standing as the House to propose a change in the constitution).
• That Change will then be approved by the Senate acting as the House of Representatives, which will then approve it, and then the Senate acting as the Senate (conflict of interest), which will then be approved by the Senate Speaker, acting as the Acting Prime Minister will send it up for approval.
• Then they'll choose an Government and Prime Minister, by some means not decided yet. The change of point 8, will have to remove the requirement that the PM and Cabinet must be elected and from the House of Representatives and not a Senator. So in otherwords, it will make the Government appointed not elected.
• They'll pick a PM and Cabinet and that will be sent up for approval.

  Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

Section 69. A person shall have the right to resist peacefully an act committed for the acquisition of the power to rule the country by a means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So at that point, they would control the Senate, appointed the Independent Agencies, be impersonating the House of Representatives, have picked the Cabinet and the Prime Minister. The law will at that point say that the Government is Appointed not Elected, because that was required for step 9. So in effect this is an end to elected governments.

They promise (cross your heart and hope to die) to only hold power for a little bit.

To paraphrase:

Abhisit: "give us power without elections"

Surachai: "give us power without elections"

Suthep: "give us power without elections"

Jutaporn: "hold elections, give power to whoever wins as per the constitution"

Yeh we get it, you don't have support, you can't win elections. You were set to lose Bangkok and some of the southern seats, and without even a fake shell of "Thai people" behind you, your sides power base would shrivel.

So you come up with a Judicial coup that fails in the main aspect: the fake veneer of legality about it.

I thought Jatuporn wanted democracy but now your saying he wants power!

I also think you missed.

Abhisit: "give us power to do reform with all relevant parties and then have free and fair elections within 18 months "

Repeat 2 more times!

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Read again:

Jutaporn: "hold elections, give power to whoever wins as per the constitution"

Jutaporn isn't standing for elections, and so can't be given power by the voters in an election.

What reforms? 7 months in, can you even state your reforms?... well what would it matter, point 9 of his plan would require the Constitution be changed to make the Government (Cabinet + Prime Minister) be appointed by this Senate group. So reform becomes an abstract concept after that.

How do you know Jataporn isn't standing in any future election .. he is still a member of PTP!

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[binjalin]

He disagreed with the attempt of the acting Senate speaker to find ways out for the country without listening to all sides.

Niwatthamrong made an appointment to meet with Acting Senate Speaker Surachai, but then Niwatthamrong bailed.

It's up to PTP to join the discussions. But thus far they have refused.

the PDRC stormed a meeting designed to help and intimidating people as usual

Following the government/red shirt attack on the protestors the night before that left 3 dead and 21 injured, Niwatthamrong had just finished telling the EC that things were becoming more peaceful and the number of PDRC protestors was dwindling so rapidly that a disruption-free election on 20 July would be nay problem with absolutely no need for any special clauses in the royal decree giving the EC the right to pospone or cancel it due to instability. Scarcely were these words out of his mouth when the news reached the meeting room that the PDRC had surrounded the venue and would soon force their way into the building, at which the brave caretakers took their heels leaving a trail of faeces behind them.

Before the next meeting with the EC the government had better stage a much more devastating attack on the PDRC to make sure they won't try to disrupt the meeting and they can say with more certainty that they are taking concrete steps to reduce the PDRC numbers. A squadron of police helicopter gunships firing rockets and .50 calibre machine guns should do the trick.

They turned up to try to find a way... and they had to flee after security was breached. Abhisit was too scared to even show at his scheduled meeting saying he was 'scared' so if you are discussing faeces...

[binjalin]

If reforms are enacted fairly, they should be indeed sweeping.

How could requiring transparency be seen as maintaining the status quo?

what reforms? where's the list? where's the structure and timetable? how can people support 'imaginary reforms' without knowing CONTENT

[valvenus]

So Thaksin has given orders to his puppets in the senate to do everything possible to obstruct the finding of a way out.

There are 77 provinces and each one gets one elected senator and they claim to have 50 of those behind them, possible but not likely.

on the photo are 8.....If they have 50 why don't do they come and declare it together?

Because only 8 out of 150 Senators is the actual level of their support.

[casualbiker]

If reforms are enacted fairly, they should be indeed sweeping.

How could requiring transparency be seen as maintaining the status quo?

what reforms? where's the list? where's the structure and timetable? how can people support 'imaginary reforms' without knowing CONTENT

That's the point of a reform council made up of people from all walks of life... and that's also why it will take some time.

I could ask were are the PTP reform committee spouted by Yingluck in January!

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