Rock lobster, crayfish?

[Kanga Japan]

Does anyone know what GOONG HIN is in English?

Is it a rock lobster, crayfish or something else?

[stoneyboy]

Well Hin would be stone would it not.

Making Goon Hin

Rock.

Edited May 16, 2014 by stoneyboy

[stoneyboy]

[Kanga Japan]

Dear Stoneyboy,

Thanks for your 2 replies.

I see that it is just a simple translation of the Thai, meaning rock lobster.

[AyG]

Fine theory, except it's wrong. Lobster is maŋkɔɔn not kûŋ.

It's a mantis prawn of the genus Squilla.

Rock lobsters are Jasus edwardsii or members of the Palinuridae family.

Edited May 17, 2014 by AyG

[Kanga Japan]

Dear AyG,

Thanks for that clarification.

So far, according to my research, I have the following (forgive my poor transliteration):

1. GOONG กุ้ง - generetic for both lobsters and prawns (most dictionaries list it as such). Is that incorrect?

2. GOONG MAN GON กุ้งมังกร - spiny lobster, painted or long-legged (Panulirus longipes).

3. GANG กั้ง - mantis shrimp/prawn - (Squilla scorpio).

4. GOONG NAANG กุ้งนาง - giant river prawn (Macrobrachium rosenbergii) - I have included this here, although it is not a lobster.

Therefore, would GOONG HIN be the same as 3?

Thanks for your help, as always.

[AyG]

GOONG - vowel length wrong. Probably should be GUNG. Generic term, yes, but usually understood as prawn.

GUN MANG GORN (note the NG). Usually people just say/write MANG GORN. Thai Wikipedia gives three alternate names - just before the English name. http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/กุ้งมังกร

Wikipedia says that there are a number of species within Panulirus called this name, so not just Panulirus longpipes.

I thought MANG GORN was used generically for all lobsters. Best to get a native speaker to confirm this.

GANG again is generic for a number of species within the Squilla family - not just S. scorpio.

GUNG NAANG is according to Wikipedia the name for smaller specimens of KUNG KAAM RAAM - Macrobrachium dacqueti - the Giant Malaysian prawn (See in Thai http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/กุ้นาง

Wikipedia also gives alternate names for GUNG KAAM RAAM: GUNG MAE NAAM, GUNG LUANG. (See text in quotes on the last line of the first section of text in above link.)

And yes, I think GOONG HIN is the same as 3.

Edit: fixed links.

Edited May 17, 2014 by AyG

[Kanga Japan]

Dear AyG,

Thank you for all that information. It took me quite a while to get through it and understand it.

1. GOONG

I will revise my spelling from GOONG to GUNG. I was a bit worried that if I wrote it as GUNG that non-Thai speakers may pronounce it as in HUNG. I checked with my Thai teacher during my lesson this morning and she agrees that it mostly applies to prawns.

2. GUNG MANG GORN

Regarding Panulirus, I rechecked my list and I had actually inserted 2 names - Panulirus versicolor and Panulirus longipes. The first one was hidden and I didn't notice it. I will check and maybe just indicate it as the Panulirus species.

I noticed the other 2 words which were indicated in the Thai Wikipedia site (translated it with Google Translate) and tried to look for their scientific names, but couldn't find them. I might leave them out. They are both indicated in Japanese as the same lobster (ise ebi).

3. GANG

Note that this is a generic name for species within the Squilla family.

4. GUNG NAANG

I note your remarks and will enter it as you say, however I was not able to understand the site. I Google Translated it, but the translation was a mess and could not be understood. It started off with 'Mrs. Guilin'. I'm glad you explained it to me.

Likewise, I was unable to understand the GUNG KAAM RAAM: GUNG MAE NAAM, GUNG LUANG section. Thank you anyway.

5. GUNG HIN

I note that this would come under the same section as GANG.

Fish and crustaceans are very difficult to verify, as often their names change depending on the waters in which they live and sometimes, depending on whether they are in their infant or adult stage.

Thank you so much for your help on this. I really appreciate it.

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