Unprofessional and unskilled English Teacher's do you feel guilty?

[somchaismith]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

Edited June 3, 2014 by somchaismith

[thailiketoo]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

[pigeonjake]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

in my eyes and you all know how thick i am, im the first to admit it,

them professional English teachers, wanted to teach English in the own countrys, and dont just use the tefle as a way to stay in thailand,

most if not all the professional teachers have degrees,

just my opinion

jake

[Soutpeel]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

the professional English teachers can afford to drink in better bars, therefore they associate with better class bar girls ?

the professional English teachers can afford cotton work shirts while the TEFL's are polyester ?

the professional English teachers turn up to class with polished shoes ? the TEFL's is lucky to have a pair of work shoes ?

the professional English teachers turn up sober for class ?

The professional English teachers don't eat "mamma" noodles for every meal ?

To the TEFL's...I am only joshing...

[somchaismith]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

Most accredited, international school NES teachers would be certified from their home countries,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_teacher

[DP25]

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations

Compared to where, Cambodia?

I know English teachers that work in Korea, they can save more per month than a teacher at a Thai public school is paid. They get a decent salary, free housing, free airfare to and from their home country, etc. Some will work there for a year, and then live in Thailand for 6-12 months doing nothing. Most teachers I've met in Thailand (at public schools, not international ones) barely scrap by, some can't even afford to go home let alone go for a 6 month vacation in a foreign country

[somchaismith]

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations

Compared to where, Cambodia?

I know English teachers that work in Korea, they can save more per month than a teacher at a Thai public school is paid. They get a decent salary, free housing, free airfare to and from their home country, etc. Some will work there for a year, and then live in Thailand for 6-12 months doing nothing. Most teachers I've met in Thailand (at public schools, not international ones) barely scrap by, some can't even afford to go home let alone go for a 6 month vacation in a foreign country

That's why I write "accredited" International Schools, so as to differentiate from the other low payers, such as private school English Programs and schools, which somehow have worked international into their names, but are unaccrediated with the relevant, overseas authorities, that is WASC or the ISC.

Edited June 3, 2014 by somchaismith

[smokie36]

Being taught French by a Scotsman who had lived in Paris didn't help me particularly....I wished ir t had been a Chinaman who lived in Amsterdam...I'm sure his tales would have been more entertaining.

[celso]

Display, do you feel guilty for asking such a redundant question? If someone is unprofessional and unskilled, and they still insists on entering a classroom, they obviously don't care about their students or they have zero self awareness. Very sad to think of how many students are getting their time wasted by someone who just doesn't give a F.

But it is worth noting that some of the unqualified teachers are volunteers fresh out of university. I forget the name of the government program, but it sends them out to state schools in the sticks. I don't think they deserve criticism since a. they're paying to do it, and b. they're doing a job nobody else wants. And at least they do it with enthusiasm and energy.

Speaking of salaries there is a huge range. I know teachers at language mills in Bangkok teaching silly hours for 35k a month and no perks. I also know teachers at private international schools (and some of the better language schools) getting 70k+, full visa costs, insurance, etc. From what I hear, pay is a lot more standardised in korea, Taiwan, and japan.

Edited June 3, 2014 by celso

[wilcopops]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

No they aren't - OK?....and you're trying to shift your goal posts by adding qualifiers now you realise your initial statement was ill-informed - which hasn't changed BTW. See some of the other posts too.

Edited June 3, 2014 by wilcopops

[wilcopops]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

If you don't know, how do you expect to make an intelligent comment on this thread?

[wilcopops]

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations

Compared to where, Cambodia?

I know English teachers that work in Korea, they can save more per month than a teacher at a Thai public school is paid. They get a decent salary, free housing, free airfare to and from their home country, etc. Some will work there for a year, and then live in Thailand for 6-12 months doing nothing. Most teachers I've met in Thailand (at public schools, not international ones) barely scrap by, some can't even afford to go home let alone go for a 6 month vacation in a foreign country

TYou aren't answering the question - you're using just one example that you've heard of.........and that's probably apocryphal.

[Thai at Heart]

But Americans all just seem to love the British accent. You all are just so quaint.

Never heard anyone say they have a love of an American over British accent. New one on me.

Of course Rab C Nesbitt is a native speaker too.

I think it is a business thing. I believe there are far more American companies in Thailand than British ones but I could be wrong. Dow and Ford, Western Digital and Seagate first come to mind as being American and a very large presence in Thailand.

I think its completely irrelevant and the people claiming they can understand an.american accent over a British have little idea what they are talking about.

Both countries have some places with some very strong regional accents. Where they got the idea that an american accent is easier god knows.

[zeichen]

Do you think that people who have degrees in education and certification from their native countries are excellent teachers on their first day? The attrition rate of teachers in the US is very high. When I first taught, I was told that most teachers only last about 5 years. Now it is more like 3 years.

Everyone starts their first day as a teacher unready. It is a difficult job that requires multiple skill sets and a certain temperment. Blaming teachers for the lack of professionalism is pretty lame. Even the best teachers are still limited by the stytem they are in. Yes, when someone has certain skills, they can adapt better and still provide a stable environment which allows students to maximize their potential.

There are so many factors thouugh: administration's knowledge of best teaching practices, EFL/2nd language acquisition, parents involvement, student's overall attitude and comfort in new environments, and the teachers relationship and rapport with students. Having knowledge and knowing every rule in English grammar will not help one if they don't have a connection with their students and create an environment where students are inquirers.

Instead of creating a division between teachers and their reasons for teaching here, why not be a mentor and share your knowledge and strengths with others? I share all of my material, lesson plans and activities including rubrics with all of my colleagues.

[AYJAYDEE]

But Americans all just seem to love the British accent. You all are just so quaint.

Never heard anyone say they have a love of an American over British accent. New one on me.

Of course Rab C Nesbitt is a native speaker too.

I think it is a business thing. I believe there are far more American companies in Thailand than British ones but I could be wrong. Dow and Ford, Western Digital and Seagate first come to mind as being American and a very large presence in Thailand.

I think its completely irrelevant and the people claiming they can understand an.american accent over a British have little idea what they are talking about.

Both countries have some places with some very strong regional accents. Where they got the idea that an american accent is easier god knows.

it might be because the thais TELL us that they can understand americans better than brits.

[boomerangutang]

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, but here's my 2 satang's worth:

>>> Unprofessional and unskilled don't necessarily go together. A teacher can be 'unprofessional' (without degrees) and be skilled. And vice versa; can have diploma, and be inept.

>>> Thailand should do all it can to get willing native Eng. speakers to teach in Thailand. Credentialed or not. If they're inept, then cull 'em out, and get better teachers. The important thing is to get Thai students learning English - particularly conversational.

>>> I personally know of several farang who have scored jobs at top Thai U's, who aren't remotely adept at the English language. Three in particular: A Finn, a Frenchman, and a Czeck Republican.They spoke abysmal English, yet were hired for good paying Chulagong jobs BECAUSE THEY'RE FARANG. They also happened to be young and handsome.

Appearances account for much more, in Thailand, than substance. The people doing the hiring are easily impressed by young handsome/pretty farang. They think all farang speak English, and the hirers are particularly impressed by credentials, even though credentials don't mean a hill of beans.

[DP25]

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations

Compared to where, Cambodia?

I know English teachers that work in Korea, they can save more per month than a teacher at a Thai public school is paid. They get a decent salary, free housing, free airfare to and from their home country, etc. Some will work there for a year, and then live in Thailand for 6-12 months doing nothing. Most teachers I've met in Thailand (at public schools, not international ones) barely scrap by, some can't even afford to go home let alone go for a 6 month vacation in a foreign country

TYou aren't answering the question - you're using just one example that you've heard of.........and that's probably apocryphal.

I don't care if you don't believe it, but I hope none of the shlubs considering teaching here believe your rubbish about Thailand salaries being competitive (outside of international schools)

Look it up online. STARTING salary in Korea, for someone fresh out of college with no experience at all, is about 60,000 baht per month. Free housing. Free airfare. Contract completion bonus. Cost of living is low and they can easily save 30,000 baht or more per month, without depriving themselves. With all the money they save they can travel all over Asia for months at a time, buy nice electronics whenever they want, go to nice nightclubs, etc. Something Thailand teachers, outside of international schools, can never afford to do, as they always have to watch their spending to stay under budget. Thailand is a nice place to live, and you can live on 30-40k per month if you are careful, but it is a very poor salary regardless.

[somchaismith]

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations

Compared to where, Cambodia?

I know English teachers that work in Korea, they can save more per month than a teacher at a Thai public school is paid. They get a decent salary, free housing, free airfare to and from their home country, etc. Some will work there for a year, and then live in Thailand for 6-12 months doing nothing. Most teachers I've met in Thailand (at public schools, not international ones) barely scrap by, some can't even afford to go home let alone go for a 6 month vacation in a foreign country

TYou aren't answering the question - you're using just one example that you've heard of.........and that's probably apocryphal.

I don't care if you don't believe it, but I hope none of the shlubs considering teaching here believe your rubbish about Thailand salaries being competitive (outside of international schools)

Look it up online. STARTING salary in Korea, for someone fresh out of college with no experience at all, is about 60,000 baht per month. Free housing. Free airfare. Contract completion bonus. Cost of living is low and they can easily save 30,000 baht or more per month, without depriving themselves. With all the money they save they can travel all over Asia for months at a time, buy nice electronics whenever they want, go to nice nightclubs, etc. Something Thailand teachers, outside of international schools, can never afford to do, as they always have to watch their spending to stay under budget. Thailand is a nice place to live, and you can live on 30-40k per month if you are careful, but it is a very poor salary regardless.

It's starting to look like Cocopop's denial is possibly the result of TEFL teacher embarrassment.

[thailiketoo]

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

If you don't know, how do you expect to make an intelligent comment on this thread?

So you don't know the answer? I'm a teacher why would I ask a question I didn't know the answer to? Of course I know. That's what teachers do. Ask questions they know the answers to.

I'll try again. What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher? If you get it right I'll tell you.

[pigeonjake]

did i get it right in my reply,?

[rgs2001uk]

Who cares, the teachers only get paid peanuts. At least you know in advance that they're a mixed bunch.

You always have the option of not whining and keeping the money in your pocket.

Thailand's educational industry is not about to change in the near future, as the only way to attract better Western teachers is to pay high salaries like they do in Thailand's small handful of accredited international schools.

That's not true on various levels - the salaries offered are on a par wit many international destinations and Thailand is a to more popular than some. (the salaries are much higher than native Thai teachers)

TEFL - does not aim itself exclusively at schools - there is a tendency for people to think of this as the only aspect, hen intact it is only part of the picture.The main problem with EL eduction in Thailand is not the teachers - (everyone's an expert and blames the teachers - just like they blame the drivers), the problem is the structure of education in Thailand and the current regulations relating to foreign teachers and the establishment of private language schools.

at present it is incredibly hard for a foreigner to set up a language school - partly due to the regs surrounding employing foreigners and the ratio of foreigners to Thais in a business and then there is the work permit situation which apt from being incredibly bureaucratic is job and location specific, which means eve with a work permit teachers are often working in breach of their restrictions.

it wouldn't take a lot for the government to change the regulations covering the establishment of private schools - we've seen how they change immigration regulations on little more than a whim...and this would make a huge difference to EL education in Thailand.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

At least 100k per month.

From a non TEFLr or teacher.

[thailiketoo]

did i get it right in my reply,?

I would agree with what you said.

[bonobo]

I agree that some non-native speakers with very heavy accents shouldn´t be teaching, but there are a lot of foreigners (like myself) who have trained and achieved a near perfect accent and are therefore very much qualified to teach if we have the linguistic knowledge.

Accents aside, I believe that non-natives often have much greater knowledge of English than natives, since the natives simply have acquired the language, and not really learned it.

I took Chinese for my undergraduate degree, and my professor, a native Chinese, had better English than most of his students. He would often correct their English during Chinese class.

[wow64]

All you guys arguing why you are a better teacher then someone else. To be honest all of you English teachers must be crap judging by the level if English in this country.

My little one goes to a private school and even the ESL teachers there are crap.

Most of you I think do it either for the visa or because you can't get any other work. 99% of you should not be teachers. Ask yourself why you were not teaching when back home?? If you didn't teach in your home country you should not be teaching here.

[thailiketoo]

All you guys arguing why you are a better teacher then someone else. To be honest all of you English teachers must be crap judging by the level if English in this country.

My little one goes to a private school and even the ESL teachers there are crap.

Most of you I think do it either for the visa or because you can't get any other work. 99% of you should not be teachers. Ask yourself why you were not teaching when back home?? If you didn't teach in your home country you should not be teaching here.

I taught on a college level at home. I was also head of my department at the college where I taught. Over the last five years, Ontario has seen an average of 4,500 teachers retiring annually – but another 12,000 new people are getting certified to teach. About 9,000 of the new teachers are graduates of education faculties at Ontario universities. Besides retirements, other circumstances also cause jobs to open up, but taking everything into account, each year at least 4,000 more new teachers are entering Ontario’s system looking for work than there are positions for them.

http://www.universityaffairs.ca/way-too-many-teachers.aspx

[zeichen]

wow64, since there are many mistakes in your post, I wouldn't criticize others on their ability.

Secondly your argument falls flat since teaching EFL in Thailand isn't related to any subject most people would be teaching in their native countries.

Just like all careers everyone has to start somewhere. Being dedicated and effective do not relate direclty to qualifications.

Many of the issues with student progress has little to do with the teachers and more to do with the system.

Do you really think that children are going to be fluent in a foreign language studying 3-4 hours a week in classes of 50+?

A teacher is usually only as effective as the curriculum they are forced to teach. Since most directors/ principals know nothing of how students learn languages or the most effective ways to teach a foreign language the programs are designed to fail.

Even the greatest teacher in the world still has limited sucess in most Thai institutions.

[thailiketoo]

wow64, since there are many mistakes in your post, I wouldn't criticize others on their ability.

Secondly your argument falls flat since teaching EFL in Thailand isn't related to any subject most people would be teaching in their native countries.

Just like all careers everyone has to start somewhere. Being dedicated and effective do not relate direclty to qualifications.

Many of the issues with student progress has little to do with the teachers and more to do with the system.

Do you really think that children are going to be fluent in a foreign language studying 3-4 hours a week in classes of 50+?

A teacher is usually only as effective as the curriculum they are forced to teach. Since most directors/ principals know nothing of how students learn languages or the most effective ways to teach a foreign language the programs are designed to fail.

Even the greatest teacher in the world still has limited sucess in most Thai institutions.

Teaching for 10 years in Thailand I was never given a curriculum to teach. I always made my own.

[wow64]

wow64, since there are many mistakes in your post, I wouldn't criticize others on their ability.

Secondly your argument falls flat since teaching EFL in Thailand isn't related to any subject most people would be teaching in their native countries.

Just like all careers everyone has to start somewhere. Being dedicated and effective do not relate direclty to qualifications.

Many of the issues with student progress has little to do with the teachers and more to do with the system.

Do you really think that children are going to be fluent in a foreign language studying 3-4 hours a week in classes of 50+?

A teacher is usually only as effective as the curriculum they are forced to teach. Since most directors/ principals know nothing of how students learn languages or the most effective ways to teach a foreign language the programs are designed to fail.

Even the greatest teacher in the world still has limited sucess in most Thai institutions.

Haha am I a teacher.. Never claimed to be.. I agree I am the last person in the world to teach ESL and so are the majority of teachers here.

So you were never a teacher and woke up in thailand and decided to teach.. Good for you champ... God help the students. This is the whole reason why none of your students have learnt anything. This is not a shot at you its just the students parents pay good money for an education.. Back in your home country if you paid for you kid to learn thai and Joe Thai showed up with no previous teaching experience.. Would you be happy?

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[wilcopops]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but waffling on about something totally irrelavant won't change the fact that, apart from a handful of international school teachers, in First World terms, NES teachers here in Thailand, are poorly paid.

What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher?

If you don't know, how do you expect to make an intelligent comment on this thread?

So you don't know the answer? I'm a teacher why would I ask a question I didn't know the answer to? Of course I know. That's what teachers do. Ask questions they know the answers to.

I'll try again. What is the difference between them TEFL guys and a professional English teacher? If you get it right I'll tell you.

In short you aren't asking the right question - it is rendered impotent by your own assumptions that the 2 are different.

[wilcopops]

There seems to be a lot of people making assumptions about who is or isn't a teacher....... those without "qualifications" always seem to think that a good counter -argument is to ask someone who they disagree with why their "qualifications" are. It kind of overlooks the argument itself, but I guess they're unable to understand that.

Another "tactic" is repeating a question that is unconnected to the OP as if it is the be-all and end-all or crux of the matter.