War weapons seized during series of raids

[Fat Haggis]

Rich.

You make a whole post that is nothing but an Ad hominem argument, then whine when you get a similar response.

Congratulations on your new cut and paste phrase.

Stage 2.

You make a whole post about, The army are great, BUT. I congratulate the army, BUT. Great that the weapons are off the street, BUT. Great they are doing searches connected with red shirts………..BUT!!!!

I think you don't support the red shirts, BUT!

Stage 3? Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

My posts were on topic, whether you agree with them or not.

You are the one who shifted the focus to personal level.

Can't you drop it and address issues without attempting to tag posters?

I did not say your posts were not on topic.

I did not shift it to a personal level. I simply stated to GeorgeO (not you) what your style of argument was. Nothing to do with you. I even stated "I am in no way denouncing him, but am only highlighting studied and proven stages of this technique."

It seems you are now frustrated thus why your replies are not making any sense so I feel it best you take a breather and regroup.

Take care and may reconciliation be with you.

And back on topic. Well done to the General for removing all these weapons off the streets. They have certainly taken the right step in making Thailand safer from any armed militia groups.

and the armed criminals of organised crime gangs too

[djjamie]

Stage 2.

You make a whole post about, The army are great, BUT. I congratulate the army, BUT. Great that the weapons are off the street, BUT. Great they are doing searches connected with red shirts………..BUT!!!!

I think you don't support the red shirts, BUT!

Stage 3? Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

My posts were on topic, whether you agree with them or not.

You are the one who shifted the focus to personal level.

Can't you drop it and address issues without attempting to tag posters?

I did not say your posts were not on topic.

I did not shift it to a personal level. I simply stated to GeorgeO (not you) what your style of argument was. Nothing to do with you. I even stated "I am in no way denouncing him, but am only highlighting studied and proven stages of this technique."

It seems you are now frustrated thus why your replies are not making any sense so I feel it best you take a breather and regroup.

Take care and may reconciliation be with you.

And back on topic. Well done to the General for removing all these weapons off the streets. They have certainly taken the right step in making Thailand safer from any armed militia groups.

and the armed criminals of organised crime gangs too

Agreed, though I feel we have not heard the last from the UDD militia yet. Jatuporn, Nattawut and Thida are too quite. Jatuporn and Nattawut are never quite so unless the general made it very clear to them the consequences of trying to destabilize the return to democracy again I feel they are conspiring.

Once an accused terrorist, always an accused terrorist as they say.

[Fat Haggis]

Unless your name is Nelson Mandela, Gerry Adams or Martin MacGuiness

[Morch]

Rich.

You make a whole post that is nothing but an Ad hominem argument, then whine when you get a similar response.

Congratulations on your new cut and paste phrase.

Stage 2.

You make a whole post about, The army are great, BUT. I congratulate the army, BUT. Great that the weapons are off the street, BUT. Great they are doing searches connected with red shirts………..BUT!!!!

I think you don't support the red shirts, BUT!

Stage 3? Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

My posts were on topic, whether you agree with them or not.

You are the one who shifted the focus to personal level.

Can't you drop it and address issues without attempting to tag posters?

I did not say your posts were not on topic.

I did not shift it to a personal level. I simply stated to GeorgeO (not you) what your style of argument was. Nothing to do with you. I even stated "I am in no way denouncing him, but am only highlighting studied and proven stages of this technique."

It seems you are now frustrated thus why your replies are not making any sense so I feel it best you take a breather and regroup.

Take care and may reconciliation be with you.

And back on topic. Well done to the General for removing all these weapons off the streets. They have certainly taken the right step in making Thailand safer from any armed militia groups.

So commenting in length on my posting style, as you see it, through biased point of view is not shifting things to a personal

level. Right. What I said was that my posts were on topic as opposed to yours. You have mostly failed to address the content, resorting ad hominem arguments.

Still no clear answer on how you see reconciliation happening within a year's time or what do you think constitutes true

reconciliation.

[Mudcrab]

I think this just shows that the Thai people is not ready to stop killing. Somebody should teach them a lesson. The saw it before in all neighbouring countries, do they want the same here ? Primitive people has to be dealt with in a primitive way.

Another arrogant imperialist. American or British I assume. There are 'primitive' people everywhere. I should know, as I'm teaching in a deprived area of the UK. Not for long though. Returning to the land of smiles where teachers are respected and students know their place!! I would class someone as primitive if they had a closed, arrogant mind like yours!!

yes, how dare a student ask a teacher a question or query their answers, especially when a year 12 student from Australia would have more knowledge than most of the thai teachers. If there is one thing I have seen first hand here it is the amount of thai teachers that are so far below a decent teaching standard along with their totally arrogant attitudes, after reading your comment you would fit in here very well. Although the original post may well be wrong your reply shows that much contempt its not funny, when people think that shooting/bombing/killing people that have different opinions to them is the answer then you do have to wonder at their intelligence or lack of it and that rests primarily with the education of the populace and the so called teachers that worry more about face than teaching the students.

I`m not American nor British, but why do my kids 5 year old girls need to teach their English teacher to teach the kids English ? Amazing. The people of Thailand should get down from the trees and out from the caves and deal with the rest of the world. I think they do not know som much about the world outside Thailand.

Spend some time in the US and you will see a lot worse re knowledge of the "outside" world.

[khunken]

Unless your name is Nelson Mandela, Gerry Adams or Martin MacGuiness

Actually to some all of them are still accused terrorists. If you had participated in the Nelson Mandela 'TV post-mortem thread' there were quite a few unreformed terrorist accusers.

[Arkady]

The papers carry pictures of a number rifles that look like .22 rifles, some with sniper scopes. I wouldn't think these were optimum for use in urban terror but they used to be legally available with a licence and have a better range than a pistol but fire a low powered cartridge which is small, cheap, readily available in Thailand and easy to transport in bulk. A head shot might be needed to kill but being hit anywhere whould be thoroughly unpleasant. Still their bulk and limited power and range make them an odd choice for urban terror.

[Fat Haggis]

The papers carry pictures of a number rifles that look like .22 rifles, some with sniper scopes. I wouldn't think these were optimum for use in urban terror but they used to be legally available with a licence and have a better range than a pistol but fire a low powered cartridge which is small, cheap, readily available in Thailand and easy to transport in bulk. A head shot might be needed to kill but being hit anywhere whould be thoroughly unpleasant. Still their bulk and limited power and range make them an odd choice for urban terror.

Spot on.

[lvr181]

Funny how the police couldn't find these weapons a up until 2 weeks ago.

Blind?

Incompetent?

Paid NOT to look?

[djjamie]

I did not say your posts were not on topic.

I did not shift it to a personal level. I simply stated to GeorgeO (not you) what your style of argument was. Nothing to do with you. I even stated "I am in no way denouncing him, but am only highlighting studied and proven stages of this technique."

It seems you are now frustrated thus why your replies are not making any sense so I feel it best you take a breather and regroup.

Take care and may reconciliation be with you.

And back on topic. Well done to the General for removing all these weapons off the streets. They have certainly taken the right step in making Thailand safer from any armed militia groups.

So commenting in length on my posting style, as you see it, through biased point of view is not shifting things to a personal

level. Right. What I said was that my posts were on topic as opposed to yours. You have mostly failed to address the content, resorting ad hominem arguments.

Still no clear answer on how you see reconciliation happening within a year's time or what do you think constitutes true

reconciliation.

Not personal. "I am in no way denouncing him, but am only highlighting studied and proven stages of this technique." Remember me saying that? Translated that means I am in no way denouncing you. I am commenting on your posting technique. Not you.

What I said was that my posts were on topic as opposed to yours. No you didn't! You said "My posts were on topic, whether you agree with them or not"

Like I said, clear your head and don't be so frustrated and we can regain this chat at a later date when you make sense.

May peace and reconciliation be with you.

[Fat Haggis]

Funny how the police couldn't find these weapons a up until 2 weeks ago.

Blind?

Incompetent?

Paid NOT to look?

Too much like real work !!

[Skywalker69]

Amazing that the solution was so easy. Change one letter in CAPO to NCPO and all of a sudden, the police become efficient 555.

Still, these finds are relatively small. This is the stuff that low-level and/or independent operatives have. Some of it is very old (but still dangerous). There are still weapons cashes out there that can supply a small army. Six thousand M-16 rifles were stolen at one time, along with associated ammunition, during the troubles of 2010, that have never surfaced. Also in 2010, a home-made weapons factory was shut down that was making launchers for M-79 grenades. If I remember correctly, there were more than 200 of those, either completed or had parts for and awaiting assembly. There must be a huge number of grenades to need that many launchers. Hate and a billion dollars can buy enough equipment to start a civil war. How many times have you heard/read the threat of civil war if this or that happened? I would expect Ko Tee (and others) knows were lots of war weapons are. While I appreciate that some war weapons are being found, I am not comforted because they are not finding the truly large cashes.

The new guys are not addicted to ear-medicine.

[Scott]

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[bkkfaranguy]

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Hang in there Morch, there are some very hard core extremest here on TV that go by the montra your either with us or against mentality and if you don't adhere to that you get labeled red! But back on topic would love to see the military go after the flow of arms in the south with the same type of enthusiasm.

Indeed there are - and some of those "extremists" as you quaintly call them support Thaksin and his various regimes in the same opinionated way as those that oppose him.

The struggle in Thailand is between the old elite families and their grip on power and the "new" money gang headed by the Shins who want to take it over from them.

We put this into our own framework of left and right wing to facilitate understanding in the metaphors and analogy of our own worldviews. It is not a left / right. socialist / capitalist battle at all. It is two gangs based on feudal Chinese family hierarchies vying for power and to control the wealth of a country as if it is their own. If the military can mange to reform this and give the Thai people a real choice of non aligned clan based political parties with real reforms they will be real heroes. Bloody hard to do mind

The South - and how do you propose that is done? Have you any experience in counter insurgency operations? Or studied other countries with similar issued over the years?

Agreed but the problem is the military has always been in the past just an extension of the old elites in BKK and I have seen nothing that has changed there stance, so I fear we will just keep seeing the same results as the last 12 coups, just a shifting of power and the people who will suffer the most are the Thai's.

No I don not have any experiance in regards to counter insurgency, but I am positive that Thailands alies would have someone who could be giving them advice or direction. As far as proposing what should be done, I will not comment as I am sure my ideas would be very extreme and not the best of ideas.

[issanaus]

Hang in there Morch, there are some very hard core extremest here on TV that go by the montra your either with us or against mentality and if you don't adhere to that you get labeled red! But back on topic would love to see the military go after the flow of arms in the south with the same type of enthusiasm.

Indeed there are - and some of those "extremists" as you quaintly call them support Thaksin and his various regimes in the same opinionated way as those that oppose him.

The struggle in Thailand is between the old elite families and their grip on power and the "new" money gang headed by the Shins who want to take it over from them.

We put this into our own framework of left and right wing to facilitate understanding in the metaphors and analogy of our own worldviews. It is not a left / right. socialist / capitalist battle at all. It is two gangs based on feudal Chinese family hierarchies vying for power and to control the wealth of a country as if it is their own. If the military can mange to reform this and give the Thai people a real choice of non aligned clan based political parties with real reforms they will be real heroes. Bloody hard to do mind

The South - and how do you propose that is done? Have you any experience in counter insurgency operations? Or studied other countries with similar issued over the years?

Nicely put - thanks.

The removal of weapons of war from militias and criminal thugs (often one and the same in my view) is the first and very necessary step in the application of law & order.

The application of the law to protect societies and individuals rather than a political tool is the second.

The rebalancing of power within the community (from the 2 waring camps to the whole population) and the introduction of accountability is the third.

The reduction of corruption and nepotism is the fourth. Just imagine the resources that would be freed up for social and economic programs by this.

The establishment of social harmony based on the realisation that this is a single country and consideration should be given to the community good as well as individual advancement would be the fourth.

Should the Military government succeeded in any meaningful way ( and I think they will) then this will set the best possible environment to address the persistent strife in the areas close to the Malaysian border. For Malaysia and Thailand to get the best benefit of the EC then there needs to be peace and stability. It is encouraging to see the top brass from Malaysia make an early visit to the new administration.

Both the Malaya emergency and North of Ireland provide some useful tools and insights to the resolution of the problems of the South.

Edited June 7, 2014 by issanaus

[Fat Haggis]

Northern Ireland's "troubles" lasted 40 years, and it's ending was a lot to do with the a group of mainly "Republican" women who got "sick and tired" of all the violence, they were instrumental in getting the British Government and the Republicans to sit down and talk, and several years later the "Good Friday Agreement" was signed, of which many parts of it did not sit well with former NI veterans like myself, in that many convicted Terrorists were released from custody, despite some heinous crimes committed.

This social harmony and "reconciliation" talk is going to be very difficult, you have farangs and Thais on here with a deep rooted hatred towards "red scum" as long as that attitude remains, then you can forget about unity, as I've said before, all you need to do is read the comments from many of Michael Yon's followers, and the bigotry and hatred written there is alarming, but yet not unexpected, all very well in expressing a desire to have social harmony, but a lot of that comes down to ones self. Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland still resent each other, although there's more integration there, Shia and Sunni in Iraq...well there's a hatred there that spans a lifetime, they're still killing each other daily.. reconciliation and harmony hasn't worked so far.

I do hope that you're including the Nepotism within the Military when you talk about it as being part of the process?

Good post though

[Stradavarius37]

Looks like the paymaster is completely tapped out. His hired goons are running for the hills. As far as coups go - this one is the least bad I've seen. To many wrongs being righted and too many scumbags being granted their comeuppance for it to be a bad thing.

Poor Thaksin - almost brings a tear to my eye.

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[Baerboxer]

air space space, or air time? they're both have very different meanings , although I suspect you meant "air time" as in access to the media, I think that the Australians can make up their own minds as to who they let speak don't you?

The whole Government is exile is a stupid idea, and I doubt it will ever take off, but until Australia officially recognises the Junta as the official Governing body in Thailand, then perhaps they still view the overthrow of the PTP Government as an illegal act? I dunno, don't really care, don't really care who speaks on the worlds stage either, there's a lot more worrying issues out there that bother me...like where am I going to get some milk from for my morning coffee, when there's non left in the camp!!

Camp - you camp out in Thailand. Stay out of the sun, it dangerous and my affect your cognitive abilities.

Air space is used figuratively by the media when deciding whether to let people actually speak - that usually involves the policy of the channel and may involve their view, or how they want to be perceived to view, ethics, morals, etc. These days, a lot also include rationale whereby certain topics/people/contents have to be cleared through the lawyers as part of risk management and mitigation. Air time is the operational exercise of allocating broadcast time to an individual topic.

The Australians are perfectly entitled to decide for themselves. Just as I am perfectly entitled to express the view that they allow the views of a criminal fugitive to be represented legitimately. All part of the watering down of legal process and replacement by some kind of justification in the media.PR firms are more valuable than lawyers now!

Unfortunately media outlets are not always interested in providing balanced unbiased reports anymore.

Even if any country did still recognize PTP has the legitimate government of Thailand, and not one country has so far, why would you allow an elected non member of the government, who happens to be a convicted criminal fugitive facing considerably more serious charges, speak through one of his aides?

As you say up to them. And, after all your milk supply is of far more concern to you.

LOL I'm at work, in a camp/compound out in Iraq, not home till the end of the month .. and a fresh delivery of milk duly arrived too!!

I do get where you're coming from, with the crux of your posting though

Take care out their sunshine. I know someone working out there at the moment - Ex RHR Glad the milK arrived - can't beat a good cuppa!

Edited June 7, 2014 by Baerboxer

[city]

As there is no longer free press and we have to trust whatever the army sends out as news it would be wise to think before we applaud them onto greater discoveries. Dare I say a not to effective PR campaign from an outfit that has its thinking and ideologies entrenched from over a century ago. They find these weapons caches and yet when the C n C was asked many questions , by the foreign journalists, he muttered one word and walked away.

I have not doubt there are serious weapons out there, on both sides, whatever they find will not scrape the surface. Its a scary thought when you are trying to control the masses to accept your doctrine, that one might have your name on it.

Doubt we will see here as news is censored but just saw one of Thaksins aides on Australia Network discussing the setting up of a "network" of peaceful resistance to the current junta. All he would say was that it would not be in a ASEAN country but they would have a base in a country which has a democracy model they wish for Thailand and have free unfettered access to the press.

Has the fightback begun?

they would have a base in a country which has a democracy model they wish for Thailand

So that narrows it down to Zimbabwe or Sudan then…Both being an elected govt that abuse democracy post elections.

Love your other quote too

As there is no longer free press and we have to trust whatever the army sends out as news it would be wise to think before we applaud them onto greater discoveries.

I have heard it all when it does not suit the PTP agenda. Fake farmers. Fake monks. Fake red shirts. Fake ID cards. Fake police. But never fake news reports that don't suit the PTP agenda.

That my friend is undoubtably, unequivocally, without question PTP logic right there. AND I LOVE IT!!!

Cant believe I read that response twice....I knew it was just more froth from Jamie first time

[city]

Funny how the police couldn't find these weapons a up until 2 weeks ago.

When you control the total flow of information and cannot answer civil questions from foreign media it never surprises me what turns up without anybody being able to question the legitimacy of what is being presented as the truth.

[coma]

More weapons found over night and seized by the green machine in Ayutayya province . Including 1 x M79 with 75 rounds of HE. The ammo box the rounds are in was stamp Cambodian military. And a bag full of nails perfect for use in fragmentation,