Old farts get fresh with new music....

[rgs2001uk]

The OP mentions new music, but what does he mean by this?

New music to me could be a pile of Blind Willie Mctell recordings just uncovered in the vaults.

He mentioned about post 2000 in a previous post.

Funny you should say that, I was just thinking about the issue of recently released material that was previously hard to get or unavailable.

I think it should be fair game as long as it's not just a re-release or remaster of something formerly easy to get hold of. Here might be a good example, from an excellent compilation of remastered and formerly difficult to find Thai lukthung and morlam released a few years ago: The Sound of Siam • Leftfield Luk Thung, Jazz & Molam from Thailand 1964 -1975....

Chaweewan Dumnern - Lam Toey Chaweewan

Also, why the year 2000? 'Cos it seems like the obvious cut-off point based on a year. Having said that, it does frustrate me because I feel the seismic shift from 'classic period' to 'modern stuff' (for want of a better way of putting it) probably occurred around 1988 (in the UK at least) with Acid House.

I want to say the '90s, because a whole attitude changed as well, but surely whatever happened during that decade had already begun with the raves at the end of the '80s. Whereas the end of the classic period must have occurred sometime prior to that.

So it's frustrating because there should be a post covering Warp Records and Ninja Tune, for instance. I did manage to squeeze a Funki Porcini track in (he was signed to Ninja Tune back then) 'cos that one wasn't released 'til 2002.

But really, can we have a thread about modern music without inclusion of Aphex Twin and other influential movers and shakers of the 90s?

Surely the music is more important than having a nice round number as a cut off point. Would it be best to call it 1988 than 2000? And then.... what happens when we start disagreeing about that?

Anyway, feel free to correct me on various points there or suggest a better idea.

Take it from any point you want.

For me personally the day the music died was probably about 1987 when SAW started releasing their manufactured shit, Rick Astley and Jason Donovan are just two artists that spring to mind.

I left the UK in 1990, but had already lost all interest in the music scene.

The only band I remember from that period would be Primal Scream and the album Screamadelica.

Funny you should mention the "acid house" crap, one of the groups I used to really like was The Beloved, before they reinvented themselves.

For me personally I had heard it all before, one album that sums it up for me would be Tangerine Dream Encore.

The last decent album by TD.

The only decent thing to come out of the '90s were that bloody dreadful band Oasis, not because of their music (nothing new there) but because of their attitude, eff this shit lets get back to playing rock n roll and having a good time.

[bannork]

I though most punk was terrible, but the New Wave stuff that came out of it was almost as good as the 60s - if you left the Beatles and Stones out of the equation.

The best time of my life was punk. There were some classics.

How about this?

You can't possibly compare these pussies w/ The Ramones!

My Honda Wave turns into a Harley Davidson when I put this song on.

[rgs2001uk]

Denim and a strat, kop for some of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PereOUtbTls

Brilliant stuff, never saw a bad Rory concert, a man of the people, check out the interaction with the crowd, no poncy dancers or lightshows, no costume changes.

Gawd bless you Rory, RIP,NEVER to be repeated.

[JSixpack]

I though most punk was terrible, but the New Wave stuff that came out of it was almost as good as the 60s - if you left the Beatles and Stones out of the equation.

The best time of my life was punk. There were some classics.

How about this?

You can't possibly compare these pussies w/ The Ramones!

My Honda Wave turns into a Harley Davidson when I put this song on.

Ha! Now THAT's more like it.

[e2x10]

[JSixpack]

"recent boring, synthetic, generic, trance/techno/rap/hip hop-influenced schlock"

OK, you want to make ignorant and gross generalizations, it's clearly something you're not embarrassed about. You're also still putting words into my mouth about Warpaint. Until you have something intelligent to say it would seem pointless trying to have a reasonable and honest debate with you. You are clearly not here for a debate

And now you've come up w/ a little self-serving rationalization to avoid further discredit.

Well, at this point, your fundamental premise has been shown nonsense. Your "evidence" has been shown false under scrutiny as I took a specific example from your favorite all-girl group (one of "today's great innovators," surely) and found it illustrated well the monotony, brainlessness, and creative/musical deficiencies (even plagiarizing) of your preferred music that's supposedly so rejuvenating. I drew a contrast w/ some real all-women rock groups who had original, much more complex and convincing songs; who could actually harmonize more than just sing along; and who could actually play more than a few notes on their instruments. If a definition of great art "should actually be based on their level of innate talent, musicianship and writing skills," it's totally obvious who came out on top. But, as you refused to admit the fact, then we don't see you following your own definition. Now, I'm just not going to waste time doing the same w/ any of your other offerings. And I did listen (briefly of course) to them.

Along the way, there've been some notable examples of misinformation, for example, about the Sixties and its music (must have seen a stereotypical clip somewhere), and some fallacies about art appreciation.

So I think you're really the troll here, now the lead character in "The Emperor's New Clothes;" and the thread was just an excuse to dump a bunch of recent boring, synthetic, generic, trance/techno/rap/hip hop-influenced schlock that you actually (well, I guess, giving you benefit of doubt) like to listen to--or maybe it's just to boast that you know about these rightly obscure musical efforts destined for oblivion. Hence the display of irrelevant minutia along with them.

Since that's the real purpose, then it's not surprising that your definition shifted to "if only the old farts could appreciate my boring music, they wouldn't be old farts" to "anyone who doesn't appreciate my boring music is an old fart." That is, anyone of any age can fit your definition. "These are the sorts of guys referred to in 'a refusal to listen to or accept the truth (shame).'" Mere false snobbery--quite amusing given the material.

As observed in the documentary Sound City (2013) about the heyday and subsequent decline of the great Sound City recording studio, from about the late 80s onward anybody w/ a computer, a laptop even, has a studio and can make recordings and videos and distribute them over the internet--a fact of which you're only too aware. Hence an incredible flood of schlock by which alternative music nerds, bloggers, music rags, even sad academics may promote themselves--perpetuating it and offering insider, "underground," tips for the pseudo-cool wannabes. This isn't to discount the real market for schlock. It's always there and can be quite large.

A few others posters here did post some references of interest, however, so the thread hasn't been a total waste (for me)--I mean besides giving the opportunity for a laugh. I gather there's another music thread going on here in the forum; I'll check it out. The Movies thread, at least, is pretty great.

In the meantime, carry on! I'm outta here.

[ATF]

Squeegee I don't know what mind altering substance you are on but we have all given your music a fair trial and my verdict is absolute dross. I would rather listen to Michael Bolton and he makes me want to top myself. I'll be content to be a BOF and listen to real music not some crap that some has whipped up on their computer with a $10 mike.

Gotta go with JSix on this one.

[rgs2001uk]

Well I for one am actually quite enjoying this thread.

Would be interested to hear the OPs opinions on say, Bark Psychosis.

My problem is, the benchmark has already been set years ago, thats the barometer I use to measure "new music"

How many solos can the OP pick out on this, not everyones cuppa tea I will grant you, personally I love it.

These days I prefer to listening to bootlegs, Pink Floyd Colmar being an example, a 30 minute version of SOYCD before it was released.

Boston Gardens 1975 is also worth seeking out, You Gotta Be Crazy and Raving & Drooling that would later appear on 1977s Animals album.

Another poster mentioned Van The Man, Glastonbury 1987, seek it out, From Dublin Up To The Sandy Row is also an essential, not forgetting the Live At Pacific Heights from 1971.

Another couple of essential albums I forgot to mention, Television, Marquee Moon, The Blue Nile, Hats, Michael Messer, Second Helping.

I was listening to some new music today, Bob Dylan, Stolen Moments 12 April 1963, why oh why has this never been released.

As long as the record companies keep feeding me a diet of crap, I will stick to bootlegs.

[bannork]

Back into the future... Micky Jones, loved his guitar playing and singing, god bless the Welsh.

[HeavyDrinker]

mostly the sort of bland twaddle fledgling music "journos,"like" so they appear "with it". no Baby metal shows the OP has his finger miles from the pulse

[Squeegee]

JSixpack still obsessed with Warpaint who I said were one of my favourite all female bands as opposed to what you claim I said; and the fact that at no point did I make the claim that everything I have posted is innovative, thus:

"I took a specific example from your favorite all-girl group (one of "today's great innovators," surely)"

...is you STILL putting words into my mouth and here you are doing so caught red-handed. Your posts are so base and crude it is utterly tedious having to waste my time to wash all your blunt-minded nonsense away. I did it once already, on a previous post of yours, where I smacked your bottom about misquoting your own link. That's how banal it is to deal with your trolling.

So, JSixpack, please direct me to where I said Warpaint are my favourite band, as opposed to 'one of' (of which there will be numerous anyway) and then direct me to where I claimed they are great innovators as you accuse, or are you actually a liar and a troll?

Don't worry, that was rhetorical, it's already perfectly transparent.

I don't respond to anything else you have said because your true motives are clearly not to come for a reasonable debate and post and discuss music as a fellow music lover, but simply to pick a fight....

I do not claim to be the better man, because it's not true, thus I call you for what you are. However, I do continue to walk away (ie. not respond to everything else you vomit forth) until you can do better because I am here for different reasons than you.

JSixpack your name suits you well, behaving as you do like a wide-mouthed, drunken bar-room brawler.

Sorry moderators.

[Squeegee]

Squeegee I don't know what mind altering substance you are on but we have all given your music a fair trial and my verdict is absolute dross. I would rather listen to Michael Bolton and he makes me want to top myself. I'll be content to be a BOF and listen to real music not some crap that some has whipped up on their computer with a $10 mike.

Gotta go with JSix on this one.

Joanna Newsom, Frank Ocean and Godspeed You! Black Emperor are absolute dross?

I believe the only mind-altering drugs around here appear to be the JSixpack you've been abusing yourself with.

Your similarly natured mindless generalisations: "some crap that some has whipped up on their computer with a $10 mike" belie your close-mindedness, and with that post your opinions can also no longer be taken very seriously.

Edited June 13, 2014 by Squeegee

[Squeegee]

Well I for one am actually quite enjoying this thread.

Would be interested to hear the OPs opinions on say, Bark Psychosis.

My problem is, the benchmark has already been set years ago, thats the barometer I use to measure "new music"

How many solos can the OP pick out on this, not everyones cuppa tea I will grant you, personally I love it.

These days I prefer to listening to bootlegs, Pink Floyd Colmar being an example, a 30 minute version of SOYCD before it was released.

Boston Gardens 1975 is also worth seeking out, You Gotta Be Crazy and Raving & Drooling that would later appear on 1977s Animals album.

Another poster mentioned Van The Man, Glastonbury 1987, seek it out, From Dublin Up To The Sandy Row is also an essential, not forgetting the Live At Pacific Heights from 1971.

Another couple of essential albums I forgot to mention, Television, Marquee Moon, The Blue Nile, Hats, Michael Messer, Second Helping.

I was listening to some new music today, Bob Dylan, Stolen Moments 12 April 1963, why oh why has this never been released.

As long as the record companies keep feeding me a diet of crap, I will stick to bootlegs.

Thanks for that.

Bark Psychosis are new to me, and within seconds on YouTube plus a gander at their wiki page and I totally see why you're educating me. After all I've explored within the genre it's clearly about time I checked them out.

That Pink Fairies is really good. Wasn't their drummer Twink the guy that played on Syd Barrett's final live performance?

Yeah, I'm similar to you with bootlegs (RoIO). I was into Pink Floyd since I was 8 years old and was completely obsessed by them. For a long time now I just don't listen to their official output any more. On the rare occasions when I do listen to them it's usually something like their '69 performance of The Man & The Journey at Concertgebow, Amsterdam, the wonderful Zabriskie sessions, or a Harvested DVD release of something.

There's a lot of this kind of stuff on YouTube nowadays of course.

Pink Floyd Live (Pro-Shot In Europe 1969-1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U29QXRHtzX4

[Squeegee]

To JSixpack, ATF and probably others....

I was thinking about sending a PM but actually I think this should be public. I have no idea how best to put this into words but I'll do what I can.

I don't know you other than what you've written but our posts on these websites don't always reflect the real person and I tend to try to see the glass as half full rather than empty so maybe it's worth making this effort.

I realise I totally went about this topic in the wrong way. It's caused a negative reaction to both myself and the topic. For the former that's possibly deserved, for the latter I think it's a shame if I am to blame for that; but more than anything I am finding myself escalating things and casting judgements and I'm not happy about that.

This thread has become a real missed opportunity and that's down to me. We could have been talking positively about music and instead we've been negative about music and each other. That's a direct result of the way I opened the thread and I must apologise to you.

The only real claim I want to make in this topic is that music, like life itself, goes on and there's still a lot of good stuff around even now. I do realise that you probably know this anyway. I just love music and want to rant about how much I enjoy it. I'm not saying the newer stuff is better, equal or anything else, just that it's still there: the punk ethic, the politics, the beauty, the whatever... it's all there to be discovered and I think it's a good thing to promote new music and support obscure or up and coming artists who don't have big business behind them or who are 'keeping it real' somehow.

As I said, I try to think of the glass as half full so hopefully by posting the OP that I did I showed a lack of respect in underestimating the Old Fart Whoever He May Be rather than touching a nerve. Perhaps the truth is a little of both but certainly I should have thought about what I was wanting to say and how I was saying it.

I do have a very dry sense of humour and a rather playful and mischievous way with words sometimes that can get me into trouble.

And I made a right mess of my first (2nd actually) topic here didn't I?

Edited June 13, 2014 by Squeegee

[JSixpack]

SUCCESS STORY!

Just ran across this and knew Squeegee would be pleased. A reader of this thread (obviously) has achieved the elusive goal. A model to emulate.

Young at heart: 63-year-old vandal graffitis police station, flees on kid’s scooter

. . . The officers were surprised to find large orange lettering daubed across the walls, reading ‘DUMB COPS’ and ‘KINGY BOYZ RULE’.
They were even more surprised to see the troublemaker, a man in his sixties, making his getaway down the street on a child’s scooter.

According to Tweed Byron LAC crime commander Detective Inspector Brendon Cullen, there was a thrilling 300m chase followed by a scuffle that put one officer out of work for a week with a shoulder injury.
--http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/13/young-at-heart-63-year-old-vandal-graffitis-police-station-flees-on-kids-scooter-4760969/

Edited June 15, 2014 by JSixpack

[bannork]

SUCCESS STORY!

Just ran across this and knew Squeegee would be pleased. A reader of this thread (obviously) has achieved the elusive goal. A model to emulate.

Young at heart: 63-year-old vandal graffitis police station, flees on kid’s scooter

. . . The officers were surprised to find large orange lettering daubed across the walls, reading ‘DUMB COPS’ and ‘KINGY BOYZ RULE’.

They were even more surprised to see the troublemaker, a man in his sixties, making his getaway down the street on a child’s scooter.

According to Tweed Byron LAC crime commander Detective Inspector Brendon Cullen, there was a thrilling 300m chase followed by a scuffle that put one officer out of work for a week with a shoulder injury.

--http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/13/young-at-heart-63-year-old-vandal-graffitis-police-station-flees-on-kids-scooter-4760969/

J Sixpack, you left out the really incriminating evidence---a search of the suspect's home revealed a large collection of rock music from the 60s and 70s.

Police warned that such material could lead to users feeling energized and rejuvenated with an uncontrollable urge to dance and possibly sing..

'As with Viagra, the effects can be devastating on boring old farts', warned Sergeant Gary Newman from the 'It's new so it must be art' precinct.

[infinity11]

Getting back to 'new music' rather than Van Halen, Sex Pistols and Van Morrison and the like.

I quite like this Canadian lady. A talented singer-songwriter, dancer and choreographer. She'll go places.

excellent thanks!

[infinity11]

very nice thanks

[infinity11]

this one new to me but not sure who

[infinity11]

new pop?