Man was killed by blows to head, forensic police say

[Bluespunk]

"He was probably an auto mechanic judging by a spark plug found in the left pocket of his pants, Maj-General Pornchai Suteerakune said."

And this guy is the head of Police Forensics? <deleted> sake.

So does that mean if you were found with a flunky and a dildo in your pocket you'd be a pornstar.

Flunky? Edited June 7, 2014 by Bluespunk

[khunken]

Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts who were 'concerned' that the anti-government protesters may have dumped something into the canal.

No urban myth as you put it.

Unlike you red mob, I actually go by information received...

I notice you have not made a single comment to the reds who are all creating 'urban myths' pointing to Bhudda Isara... no you wouldn't do that would you?

Your moral equivalency doesn't work, sorry. The mad monk pretty obviously didn't kill this man found in the klong. Anyone who thinks he does needs some readjustment in his thinking, as anyone who reads this thread sees clearly. But I'm dealing with a rather clever attempt to turn an invented rumour into an accepted fact and it won't fly. Your original post tried to start an urban myth. I'll stick with that one, and ignore your rather pathetic attempt to "no, no don't watch my right hand, look at the LEFT one!"

Would you like to cite that red shirt news tip for us? Your recollection that someone, best you can remember, pasted text something like that into ThaiVisa doesn't qualify as an actual source. Really it doesn't.

While you're doing that, members might like to check this tiny list of stories (from approved sources) about cleaning up Government House and finding a body that do NOT mention the red shirts, which is what you are trying to sell to members here as your own urban myth but getting some resistance.

To be clear. The National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) ordered cleanup of Government House, seconded soldiers to help with the task. During the cleanup of the grounds, the crews found a body in the klong. They also found discarded weapons and ammunition, live and spent. They also found a lot of other junk apparently tossed in the klong (i.e. not blown in by the wind). The NCPO has decided against actually using Government House, but all staff are returning to work now that cleanup, security checks and so on are complete. The NCPO has expressed satisfaction at the job done. Authorities are continuing inquiries in what seems to be a murder case.

To the best of everyone's knowledge, no red shirts were involved in any of the above except as mentioned in a message you are claiming exists somewhere on this forum.

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/EEvm4e

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/Z4omNH

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/MQxwRU

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/fM3RTr

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/qV5nkS

AFP:

http://goo.gl/cDMG7i

Luckily enough we now have the army involved so the CAPO-like finger pointers haven't the police statements to create more myths.

Well, you have to stretch the meaning of "involved" a bit. This is a police case.

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Well you have been stretching the facts in your posts in the previous thread. Here the murder case is for the police to handle but the clean up has been supervised by the NCPO who are ensuring that the police do their job fairly and without any CAPO style finger pointing and planting of 'evidence'.

[kuiburi]

"He was probably an auto mechanic judging by a spark plug found in the left pocket of his pants, Maj-General Pornchai Suteerakune said."

And this guy is the head of Police Forensics? <deleted> sake.

So does that mean if you were found with a flunky and a dildo in your pocket you'd be a pornstar.

Flunky?

I got question marks to when i read it , but it sounds kinda kinky

[vogie]

"He was probably an auto mechanic judging by a spark plug found in the left pocket of his pants, Maj-General Pornchai Suteerakune said."

And this guy is the head of Police Forensics? <deleted> sake.

Elementary dear Watson

[Fat Haggis]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

[kuiburi]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

Thx for the info , not that kinky then

[Emptyset]

Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts who were 'concerned' that the anti-government protesters may have dumped something into the canal.

No urban myth as you put it.

Unlike you red mob, I actually go by information received...

I notice you have not made a single comment to the reds who are all creating 'urban myths' pointing to Bhudda Isara... no you wouldn't do that would you?

"Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts"

That would be this news item

The search was conducted this morning after local residents said they were concerned about the safety of the canal, fearing it may have been used as a dumping grounds for abandoned weapons after the PCAD was forced to leave their rally site in the wake of the 22 May coup, an army officer explained.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/731718-body-found-in-bangkok-canal-during-search-for-pcad-weapons/#entry7927759

That's how TVF myths start, with posters like you..............................

You are correct however there were far more urban myths expounded in the thread that you provided a link.

It was the 'mad' monk said many, 'forgetting' that he was controlling an area over 10km away.

It was the PDRC by inference said another as the area was so fully controlled by the protestors that no one else could gain entry - except for bombers, shooters, plain clothed BIB and residents.

Luckily enough we now have the army involved so the CAPO-like finger pointers haven't the police statements to create more myths.

Why did people suspect it was the red shirts involved in grenade attacks on the PDRC despite the fact that up until recently (for obvious reasons) there was little real evidence linking them to the attacks? It's because they were the most likely culprits based on past behaviour and motive. And for that same reason, I wouldn't be too harsh on those who were quick to raise the "mad monk" as the potential perpetrator here.

I think this is the fourth case of bodies being found and the previous three were all found, IIRC, very close to Issara's protest site, hence the inference by some on this thread. Actually going back to the first case I suggested the possibility that it was the PDRC who were responsible for the killing, despite the corpse being decorated with PDRC garb. Now a few months later and with additional cases to compare that one too, I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case. However, I'm not sure if this won't be shoved under the carpet now - history, at least, suggests this is likely - and if indeed it was the PDRC guards behind these murders, it might not be easy to find out exactly which of them carried out the acts anyway.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Emptyset

[wandasloan]

Well you have been stretching the facts in your posts in the previous thread. Here the murder case is for the police to handle but the clean up has been supervised by the NCPO who are ensuring that the police do their job fairly and without any CAPO style finger pointing and planting of 'evidence'.

The army is the nation's leading agency in scapegoating and planting of evidence, as anyone who spends a day in the deep South learns quickly. And to be clear I wouldn't carry a thimbleful of water for the ridiculous Capo (now thankfully disappeared, and rightly so) or the police, let alone a bucket. But let's get ducks aligned credibly. There are some outstanding individuals up and down all the Thai security forces, but the idea that the army as an entity is somehow a trustworthy force capable of law enforcement is ... not really interesting.

The idea that the NCPO will *assure* a clean investigation of this murder case is an interesting idea, but nothing but a theory for now. We'll see as the case progresses HOW it progresses. You might want to consider for now the possibility that your strong faith in the agency that has killed, imprisoned and scapegoated more citizens than any other Thai agency could be misplaced. When you check back on this case later, you might find discrepancies in the investigation, that's all I'm saying. Whether despite or because of the army will be your choice at that inevitable point.

But all of that said, the body in the Government House klong is a police matter, and any NCPO supervision that might (but doesn't currently) exist is and will be unofficial. The army doesn't do crime investigation scenes except when a fast coverup of its own involvement is necessary, and it's pretty clumsy at them as Tak Bai, Krue Se and a hundred other examples show clearly.

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[khunken]

Well you have been stretching the facts in your posts in the previous thread. Here the murder case is for the police to handle but the clean up has been supervised by the NCPO who are ensuring that the police do their job fairly and without any CAPO style finger pointing and planting of 'evidence'.

The army is the nation's leading agency in scapegoating and planting of evidence, as anyone who spends a day in the deep South learns quickly. And to be clear I wouldn't carry a thimbleful of water for the ridiculous Capo (now thankfully disappeared, and rightly so) or the police, let alone a bucket. But let's get ducks aligned credibly. There are some outstanding individuals up and down all the Thai security forces, but the idea that the army as an entity is somehow a trustworthy force capable of law enforcement is ... not really interesting.

The idea that the NCPO will *assure* a clean investigation of this murder case is an interesting idea, but nothing but a theory for now. We'll see as the case progresses HOW it progresses. You might want to consider for now the possibility that your strong faith in the agency that has killed, imprisoned and scapegoated more citizens than any other Thai agency could be misplaced. When you check back on this case later, you might find discrepancies in the investigation, that's all I'm saying. Whether despite or because of the army will be your choice at that inevitable point.

But all of that said, the body in the Government House klong is a police matter, and any NCPO supervision that might (but doesn't currently) exist is and will be unofficial. The army doesn't do crime investigation scenes except when a fast coverup of its own involvement is necessary, and it's pretty clumsy at them as Tak Bai, Krue Se and a hundred other examples show clearly.

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I happen to agree with most of what you say about the south which, BTW, is not on topic. The police don't have a good record in the south either as they shot protestors at Tak Bai and torture is their MO as much as the military.

I don't have a particularly strong faith in any of the supposed law keeping bodies in this country. But as far as the recently completed protests are concerned, the police were following CAPO's orders and refusing to investigate, arrest and, heaven forbid, prevent any of the violence. Since the army became more involved they have been a check on the police and joint investigations have turned up more red militants and weapons than the zero amount before. The army and police have mutual distrust and when they work together neither can get away with forging investigations.

The NCPO are unlikely to assure a totally clean investigation but it's a damn site cleaner than it was under sole police control.

[khunken]

"Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts"

That would be this news item

The search was conducted this morning after local residents said they were concerned about the safety of the canal, fearing it may have been used as a dumping grounds for abandoned weapons after the PCAD was forced to leave their rally site in the wake of the 22 May coup, an army officer explained.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/731718-body-found-in-bangkok-canal-during-search-for-pcad-weapons/#entry7927759

That's how TVF myths start, with posters like you..............................

You are correct however there were far more urban myths expounded in the thread that you provided a link.

It was the 'mad' monk said many, 'forgetting' that he was controlling an area over 10km away.

It was the PDRC by inference said another as the area was so fully controlled by the protestors that no one else could gain entry - except for bombers, shooters, plain clothed BIB and residents.

Luckily enough we now have the army involved so the CAPO-like finger pointers haven't the police statements to create more myths.

Why did people suspect it was the red shirts involved in grenade attacks on the PDRC despite the fact that up until recently (for obvious reasons) there was little real evidence linking them to the attacks? It's because they were the most likely culprits based on past behaviour and motive. And for that same reason, I wouldn't be too harsh on those who were quick to raise the "mad monk" as the potential perpetrator here.

I think this is the fourth case of bodies being found and the previous three were all found, IIRC, very close to Issara's protest site, hence the inference by some on this thread. Actually going back to the first case I suggested the possibility that it was the PDRC who were responsible for the killing, despite the corpse being decorated with PDRC garb. Now a few months later and with additional cases to compare that one too, I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case. However, I'm not sure if this won't be shoved under the carpet now - history, at least, suggests this is likely - and if indeed it was the PDRC guards behind these murders, it might not be easy to find out exactly which of them carried out the acts anyway.

Well I would be scathing on those who suggested that the 'mad monk' was the culprit as there is no evidence that he was anywhere near the area in question. The accusation is just based on hatred.

I'm not going to add to your speculation about who did what to the dead bodies because we simply don't know. I do agree however that most of the cases will end up on the unsolved shelf.

[AleG]

Did anyone ever get jailed and prosecuted for burning Central World and bombing several businesses and even BKK Bank ? Wasn't the Monk !!

No, the UDD supporters that "everyone knew" set fire to Central World were found not guilty after having been in prison for three years.

Did you have a point to make?

Now that the police have been cleaned of Thaksin's influence maybe Red Shirt arsonists will be individually identified and prosecuted, what with some of them having been caught on video torching the place and all that it should be easy.

[Bernard Flint]

Bangkok is getting worse by the day for murders. Would hate to live there

You sound pretty sure of that "worse by the day" false statement.

But never mind. Where do you live, so we can do a comparison for all of us?

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Monte Carlo Sir

[wandasloan]

Monte Carlo Sir

Lucky you. I'll try to do a full check later, but just a quick check reveals that in the past week, Bangkok and Monte Carlo have had the same number of murders during the past week.

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[wandasloan]

Now that the police have been cleaned of Thaksin's influence maybe Red Shirt arsonists will be individually identified and prosecuted, what with some of them having been caught on video torching the place and all that it should be easy.

Not only for your post, but for way too many along the same line, this chart seems pertinent:

[Rob8891]

Good grief! Plenty of evidence in this thread to suggest that it was not only the victim in the OP who has suffered from a blow to the head......

[Mister Fixit]

PDRC strikes again?

Sent from my SM-N900T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Much more likely the UDD thugs ...

[MMarlow]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

No it isn't.

[kuiburi]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

No it isn't.

Ok , then what kinda kinky thing is it ?

[Bpuumike]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

Better check whatever English dictionary you use, maybe it's a Thailand copy?

[Bpuumike]

An amazing collection of debris and lots of razor wire.

Another reason not to 'swim' in the Klongs.

[espinoza]

Ask this little faci Suthep, he is responsible.

[espinoza]

One more killed on Sutheps altar.

[booky]

I'm an ex motor mechanic and I don't ever remember having a spark plug in my pocket. You could probably determined I was a mechanic by the embedded grease/oil (old days when we actually rebuilt units) around my fingernails.

Spark plug was more likely going to be a missile or his bike has worn rings and had to be replaced regularly.

[Bluespunk]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

No it isn't.

Wrong.

http://mobile-dictionary.reverso.net/english-synonyms/condom

Edited June 7, 2014 by Bluespunk

[fab4]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

No it isn't.

Wrong.

http://mobile-dictionary.reverso.net/english-synonyms/condom

Why is it wrong ? What generation of Brits called condoms "flunky's"?

[Fat Haggis]

My Generation, I'm 51 and we used to call them Flunky's they were seldom called Condoms then, "Rubber Johnnies", and "flunkys" were the terms I heard in my youthful years. it might actually be more of a Jock slang but it was indeed a term used to describe a durex/condom/rubber jonny/flunky.

So sorry MMarlow, YOU are wrong

[Baerboxer]

One more killed on Sutheps altar.

Once more you demonstrate your ESP.

Unfortunately it's not based on any evidence or facts.

[Bluespunk]

Flunky is what Brits used to call Condoms

No it isn't.

Wrong.

http://mobile-dictionary.reverso.net/english-synonyms/condom

Why is it wrong ? What generation of Brits called condoms "flunky's"?

He's wrong because it is listed as a slang term for condom, based on the fact it was used as one. Just because you or I didn't use it doesn't mean others didn't.

Edited June 8, 2014 by Bluespunk

[fab4]

Why is it wrong ? What generation of Brits called condoms "flunky's"?

He's wrong because it is listed as a slang term for condom, based on the fact it was used as one. Just because you or I didn't use it doesn't mean others didn't.

Which is why I asked what generation used the term - it was a question, that's all.

[Bluespunk]

Why is it wrong ? What generation of Brits called condoms "flunky's"?

He's wrong because it is listed as a slang term for condom, based on the fact it was used as one. Just because you or I didn't use it doesn't mean others didn't.

Which is why I asked what generation used the term - it was a question, that's all.

In the 60s/70s apparently. Edited June 8, 2014 by Bluespunk