Hillary Clinton urges Scotland to stay in UK

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Former US State Secretary Hillary Clinton urges Scotland to stay in UK

WASHINGTON: -- Former US secretary of state Hillary Clinton on Thursday called upon Scotland to stay in the United Kingdom, echoing the comments made last week by her former boss Barack Obama. Speaking on BBC's Newsnight programme, Clinton said: "I would hate to have you lose Scotland" in the September referendum.

"I hope that it doesn't happen but I don't have a vote in Scotland," she added. "I would think it would be a loss for both sides but, again, I don't have a vote."

US President Obama last week suggested that Scotland would be better off remaining part of Britain, ahead of the September 18 vote.

"From the outside at least it looks like things have worked pretty well," Obama said.

Full story: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_13/Former-US-State-Secretary-Hillary-Clinton-urges-Scotland-to-stay-in-UK-0181/

-- Voice of Russia 2014-06-13

[Ulysses G.]

She should stay out of this. The Brits don't like us sticking our nose in their business.

[pmarlin]

What difference does it make

[Scott]

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[clockman]

No matter what happens, all politicians lie!

[zydeco]

Well, that ought to get a lot more votes for Scottish independence.

[Chicog]

She should stay out of this. The Brits don't like us sticking our nose in their business.

Actually I'm not that bothered what her opinions are.

But I do understand your country's pathological hatred of Piers Morgan, we hate him too.

[transam]

J.K.Rowlings, a very famous British author has the same opinion as H.Clinton and has donated 1,000,000 quid to help the No vote..........

PS. English lass that lives in Scotland.

Edited June 13, 2014 by transam

[phuketjock]

J.K.Rowlings, a very famous British author has the same opinion as H.Clinton and has donated 1,000,000 quid to help the No vote..........

English authors don't count same as American politicians.

Scottish Euro lottery winners donated 3 million to the YES

campaign, didn;t see that make world news??????

[transam]

J.K.Rowlings, a very famous British author has the same opinion as H.Clinton and has donated 1,000,000 quid to help the No vote..........

English authors don't count same as American politicians.

Scottish Euro lottery winners donated 3 million to the YES

campaign, didn;t see that make world news??????

She lives in Scotland...........

[rajyindee]

J.K.Rowlings, a very famous British author has the same opinion as H.Clinton and has donated 1,000,000 quid to help the No vote..........

English authors don't count same as American politicians.

Scottish Euro lottery winners donated 3 million to the YES

campaign, didn;t see that make world news??????

I think JKR lives in Scotland, so, quite rightly, she'll likely have a vote in the matter.

[phuketjock]

J.K.Rowlings, a very famous British author has the same opinion as H.Clinton and has donated 1,000,000 quid to help the No vote..........

English authors don't count same as American politicians.

Scottish Euro lottery winners donated 3 million to the YES

campaign, didn;t see that make world news??????

She lives in Scotland...........

When did Hillary Clinton move to Scotland???

[phuketjock]

J.K.Rowlings, a very famous British author has the same opinion as H.Clinton and has donated 1,000,000 quid to help the No vote..........

English authors don't count same as American politicians.

Scottish Euro lottery winners donated 3 million to the YES

campaign, didn;t see that make world news??????

I think JKR lives in Scotland, so, quite rightly, she'll likely have a vote in the matter.

So do the Euro lottery winners So???

[rajyindee]

I think JKR lives in Scotland, so, quite rightly, she'll likely have a vote in the matter.

So do the Euro lottery winners So???

So do a couple of Chinese pandas., but they, in all likelihood, won't have a vote in the matter. That said, lots of folk pay a lot of money to view a couple of fat pandas. The same can't be said for the Lottery-winning couple.

Edited June 13, 2014 by rajyindee

[thumper101]

At the moment, in the opinion polls which are normally quite accurate in the UK when you draw an average of the top 5 or 6 pollsters, have the 'YES' vote as being around 37%... and the 'NO' as 47% and 16% undecided.

However, unlike in elections, it is one thing to express what you personally want to happen and what will actually happen. The polls don't take 'apathy' into consideration the way it should... This is the clincher, because I think most of the voter apathy will rest with the 'NO' camp.

It is far less likely that the YES camp will be apathetic, as these are going to be the staunch nationalists and English haters, those who can't forgive the past... This is their 'revenge' and they sure as hell aint gonna let it slip them by... Whereas, the NO camp probably will be assuming that a victory for them is a foregone conclusion, and a portion of them possibly won't even bother going to vote or they don't figure the actual importance it is for them to make the effort.

It is also interesting to note that should the YES camp win their independence for Scotland, that is going to put a huge bullet through the Labour Party's future election successes, as they will lose around 50 safe seats in one fell swoop.....

Also, if they get independence and stay out of the EU for a spell, then there are going to be some problems for all the Jocks working in England and Wales etc.... A polish person will have more rights and benefits that a Jock, they will also have to apply for work permits etc.

[sandyf]

I may be a stupid question but if Scotland does become independent, what happens to Scottish expats regarding their passports?

Would they just keep their UK passport or have to get a Scottish passport.

[Maggusoil]

She should stay out of this. The Brits don't like us sticking our nose in their business.

Quite so. She's not a member of Thai Visa, so she should keep her opinions down . .

[PoorSucker]

-- Voice of Russia 2014-06-13

Trolls.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

I may be a stupid question but if Scotland does become independent, what happens to Scottish expats regarding their passports?

Would they just keep their UK passport or have to get a Scottish passport.

How could they even decide who would be entitled to a Scots passport.

Those who live there now, those born there, those who ever lived there, those whose ancestors came from there?

[transam]

I may be a stupid question but if Scotland does become independent, what happens to Scottish expats regarding their passports?

Would they just keep their UK passport or have to get a Scottish passport.

How could they even decide who would be entitled to a Scots passport.

Those who live there now, those born there, those who ever lived there, those whose ancestors came from there?

Weeeeeeeeeell, perhaps the Scot natives are up against the "have been here" or "will be here for a couple of years" and the "Perhaps just here for a couple of years" crowd....

[Jimmu]

It's a bit rich that Americans who escaped from the clutches of the Wasteminster Parliament by means of an armed uprising and now celebrate their Independence every 4th July should tell the Scots they shouldn't have Independence by a democratic vote!

I smell the hand of that lying old Etonian David Cameron in this...

[dundee48]

At the moment, in the opinion polls which are normally quite accurate in the UK when you draw an average of the top 5 or 6 pollsters, have the 'YES' vote as being around 37%... and the 'NO' as 47% and 16% undecided.

However, unlike in elections, it is one thing to express what you personally want to happen and what will actually happen. The polls don't take 'apathy' into consideration the way it should... This is the clincher, because I think most of the voter apathy will rest with the 'NO' camp.

It is far less likely that the YES camp will be apathetic, as these are going to be the staunch nationalists and English haters, those who can't forgive the past... This is their 'revenge' and they sure as hell aint gonna let it slip them by... Whereas, the NO camp probably will be assuming that a victory for them is a foregone conclusion, and a portion of them possibly won't even bother going to vote or they don't figure the actual importance it is for them to make the effort.

It is also interesting to note that should the YES camp win their independence for Scotland, that is going to put a huge bullet through the Labour Party's future election successes, as they will lose around 50 safe seats in one fell swoop.....

Also, if they get independence and stay out of the EU for a spell, then there are going to be some problems for all the Jocks working in England and Wales etc.... A polish person will have more rights and benefits that a Jock, they will also have to apply for work permits etc.

I am neither a staunch nationalist nor an English hater but i will be voting `yes`,kind of makes that part of your rant a pile of drivel.

[dundee48]

I think JKR lives in Scotland, so, quite rightly, she'll likely have a vote in the matter.

So do the Euro lottery winners So???

So do a couple of Chinese pandas., but they, in all likelihood, won't have a vote in the matter. That said, lots of folk pay a lot of money to view a couple of fat pandas. The same can't be said for the Lottery-winning couple.

The panda`s are under the age of 16 so you are correct,they will not have a vote.

[tw25rw]

I may be a stupid question but if Scotland does become independent, what happens to Scottish expats regarding their passports?

Would they just keep their UK passport or have to get a Scottish passport.

I expect they'll be using the UK consular services for a while in the absence of any civil service of heir own.

[Baerboxer]

She should stay out of this. The Brits don't like us sticking our nose in their business.

No - we don't mind our US "cousin's" expressing their view and reasoning at all. Both Obama and Clinton have expressed their views and reasoning. Their opinions should be valued.

[shaurene]

Well I'm a scouser and have a lot of Jock Mates and they all don't give a shit they are happy the way it is.

But in my opinion you should leave it as it is, you rule your self England do not rule you in a colony type of way, it would cost the Scot people a huge amount of money to change all the government documents etc, it will not change your shit weather, there is no revenge to get, the Scott's tribes raided parts of England before the English, it was the English that had enough and started to give it back to the Scott'.

Stay with us, we won a lot of wars together in the past.

But to me I could not give a shit but best of luck for what you decide.

[Baerboxer]

I may be a stupid question but if Scotland does become independent, what happens to Scottish expats regarding their passports?

Would they just keep their UK passport or have to get a Scottish passport.

I expect they'll be using the UK consular services for a while in the absence of any civil service of heir own.

Has to be addressed but theoretically ceasing to be part of the UK looses citizenship of the UK and EU. Salmon thinks everyone will just invent some special laws to accommodate this so he isn't inconvenienced. Scottish bank notes, given the stellar performance of Scottish banks of late, could also be an issue on Forex. Again, Salmon hopes someone will sort it all out - as long as he can be president!

[keemapoot]

She should stay out of this. The Brits don't like us sticking our nose in their business.

No - we don't mind our US "cousin's" expressing their view and reasoning at all. Both Obama and Clinton have expressed their views and reasoning. Their opinions should be valued.

Yes, absolutely true. And, she is probably just lending support for her former counterpart, Foreign Secretary William Hague who has said similar things.

[Baerboxer]

Well I'm a scouser and have a lot of Jock Mates and they all don't give a shit they are happy the way it is.

But in my opinion you should leave it as it is, you rule your self England do not rule you in a colony type of way, it would cost the Scot people a huge amount of money to change all the government documents etc, it will not change your shit weather, there is no revenge to get, the Scott's tribes raided parts of England before the English, it was the English that had enough and started to give it back to the Scott'.

Stay with us, we won a lot of wars together in the past.

But to me I could not give a shit but best of luck for what you decide.

You are right scouse. Scots get more opportunity and success in the UK as a whole, and still enjoy a good deal of decentralized rule. Why screw it up based on the ambitions of politicians and actors.

[Pralaad]

What is advantage or disadvantage to US in regards to Scottish independence or dependence?

I do not really understand why US administration once again sticking it's nose where it should not