US prepared to broker Gaza ceasefire, says Obama

[Ulysses G.]

Arguing with people who deny Israel's right to existence are a waste of time.

Maybe, but it is entertaining to point out that they don't have any idea what they are talking about when it comes to what happened historically. Exposing obvious lies and dishonest spin is always rewarding.

[thaibeachlovers]

 

 

Obama couldn't broker peace between to first graders fighting over a King Dong.

 

Has anyone been successful in bringing peace to these two?

 

 

There hasn't been peace since Israel forced its way into the region and stole the land from the people living there.

 

 

Obama knows what is right, and he needs to follow his conscious on this.

 

Israel in the sense you mean didn't exist then. It would be more correct to refer to zionists.

[capcc76]

As far as I know, president Obama has not been providing Hamas with weapons and the Palestinains are the only ones targeting civilians and encouraging their own people to act as human shields.
The problem with his offer to broker a ceasefire is that neither side trusts him at all. 
 

The Palestinians would be barking to trust ANY American government official, given that the US is overtly and covertly supporting israel, always has and always will.
If the US wanted to solve the problem, it could do so tomorrow by denying israel any military or financial aid till israel withdraws from the west bank and stops blockading Gaza.
It could then openly guarantee israel's existence with a treaty.

Shock and awe that you would find a way to blame the US for this situation.

[thaibeachlovers]

 

Obama couldn't broker peace between to first graders fighting over a King Dong.

 

Has anyone been successful in bringing peace to these two?

 

Would you agree to a "peace" when your homeland was occupied by an illegal force and you were routinely subject to unreasonable harrasment, or would you want to fight back?

The French Resistance against the Nazis is lauded today, but somehow, Palestinians that "resist" the illegal ( as defined by the UN, the same body that created israel ) occupation of the west bank ( exactly the same ) are characterised as "terrorists".

 

Almost every country in the world says israel is occupying the west bank. Unfortunately, Australia has gone barking mad and no longer defines the illegal israeli occupation as an occupation. Perhaps they are feeling guilty over occupying Aboriginal land.

[thaibeachlovers]

 

 

As far as I know, president Obama has not been providing Hamas with weapons and the Palestinains are the only ones targeting civilians and encouraging their own people to act as human shields.
The problem with his offer to broker a ceasefire is that neither side trusts him at all. 
 

The Palestinians would be barking to trust ANY American government official, given that the US is overtly and covertly supporting israel, always has and always will.
If the US wanted to solve the problem, it could do so tomorrow by denying israel any military or financial aid till israel withdraws from the west bank and stops blockading Gaza.
It could then openly guarantee israel's existence with a treaty.

Shock and awe that you would find a way to blame the US for this situation.

 

The US always blocks any resolution against israel by the UN in the security council, so it is the US's fault for the lack of progress.

[capcc76]

America needs to keep out of this, it needs some one who is neutral, unbiased and respected by both sides to broker a piece deal.

You right. No one should try and help because everyone has an agenda or some inherent bias. Haha, like Obama has always been a huge backer of Israel and has never been criticized for not being sufficiently pro-Israel. While I don't think anyone respects Obama enough to listen to him in a matter such as this, I think he would legitimately come from a good place in trying to broker a deal.

Discard your trust/anger issues and look at it objectively . . . if possible. Who wod you recommend try and broke peace here.

[Ulysses G.]

Obama couldn't broker peace between to first graders fighting over a King Dong.

 
Has anyone been successful in bringing peace to these two?

Would you agree to a "peace" when your homeland was occupied by an illegal force and you were routinely subject to unreasonable harrasment, or would you want to fight back?

The problem is that they don't have a "homeland". They have refused every offer that would have given them one. They are being "harassed" because they have elected a terrorist group to represent them and refuse to make peace.

[thaibeachlovers]

 

 

 

Obama couldn't broker peace between to first graders fighting over a King Dong.

 
Has anyone been successful in bringing peace to these two?

 

 
There hasn't been peace since Israel forced its way into the region and stole the land from the people living there.

 

The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C and they have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.. Whoever they "stole" the land from is long gone. 

 

I wasn't aware that a "constitutional" monarch had the authority of life and death over the subjects, as Herod had.

[Ulysses G.]

The US always blocks any resolution against israel by the UN in the security council, so it is the US's fault for the lack of progress.

They block the resolutions because they are unfair. It is no secret that the the modern UN have been complete hypocrites.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhWgZu6tcZU

Edited July 11, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Morch]

 

 

Obama couldn't broker peace between to first graders fighting over a King Dong.

 

Has anyone been successful in bringing peace to these two?

 

Would you agree to a "peace" when your homeland was occupied by an illegal force and you were routinely subject to unreasonable harrasment, or would you want to fight back?

The French Resistance against the Nazis is lauded today, but somehow, Palestinians that "resist" the illegal ( as defined by the UN, the same body that created israel ) occupation of the west bank ( exactly the same ) are characterised as "terrorists".

 

Almost every country in the world says israel is occupying the west bank. Unfortunately, Australia has gone barking mad and no longer defines the illegal israeli occupation as an occupation. Perhaps they are feeling guilty over occupying Aboriginal land.

 

 

And yet, the rocket attacks are coming from the Gaza Strip, which is not occupied by Israel.

Before you say it - they do not really accept the PA's rule as well.

 

Maybe time to realize that the Palestinians aren't as united as you seem to think.
 

[thaibeachlovers]

 

 

 

Obama couldn't broker peace between to first graders fighting over a King Dong.

 
Has anyone been successful in bringing peace to these two?

 

Would you agree to a "peace" when your homeland was occupied by an illegal force and you were routinely subject to unreasonable harrasment, or would you want to fight back?

 

The problem is that they don't have a "homeland". They have refused every offer that would have given them one. They are being "harassed" because they have elected a terrorist group to represent them and refuse to make peace.

 

Last time I looked collective punishment is ILLEGAL.

[capcc76]

 

 

As far as I know, president Obama has not been providing Hamas with weapons and the Palestinains are the only ones targeting civilians and encouraging their own people to act as human shields.
The problem with his offer to broker a ceasefire is that neither side trusts him at all. 
 

The Palestinians would be barking to trust ANY American government official, given that the US is overtly and covertly supporting israel, always has and always will.
If the US wanted to solve the problem, it could do so tomorrow by denying israel any military or financial aid till israel withdraws from the west bank and stops blockading Gaza.
It could then openly guarantee israel's existence with a treaty.

Shock and awe that you would find a way to blame the US for this situation.
 

The US always blocks any resolution against israel by the UN in the security council, so it is the US's fault for the lack of progress.

Lol, but if course it is. We also hold guns to their heads and tell them to shoot rockets at each other and kidnap and kill each other.

[Morch]

 

 

 

As far as I know, president Obama has not been providing Hamas with weapons and the Palestinains are the only ones targeting civilians and encouraging their own people to act as human shields.
The problem with his offer to broker a ceasefire is that neither side trusts him at all. 
 

The Palestinians would be barking to trust ANY American government official, given that the US is overtly and covertly supporting israel, always has and always will.
If the US wanted to solve the problem, it could do so tomorrow by denying israel any military or financial aid till israel withdraws from the west bank and stops blockading Gaza.
It could then openly guarantee israel's existence with a treaty.

Shock and awe that you would find a way to blame the US for this situation.

 

The US always blocks any resolution against israel by the UN in the security council, so it is the US's fault for the lack of progress.

 

 

Just under half of the country specific resolutions in United Nations Human Rights Council are against Israel.

One would imagine that there are greater evils out there, a couple of other oppressive regimes? But no, lets

stick with what we know.
 

[Scott]

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[Pralaad]

 

 

 

Here is one way to help stop the illegal bombardment of civilians Mr Obama. Stop giving them the bombs ! 

 
Not good enough.  Stop supporting Israel period.  The same message is intended for all of the US lapdogs in Australia, The UK and Europe.  Israel is a terrorist nation.

If Israel is a terrorist nation that would mean Iran,Syria ,and Gaza are the nations of saints ?

 

Israel has been attacking their neighbors since the 1960's. They are terrorist racists. They attack defenseless people who then have to resort to any means possible to fight back. 

Gaza has been at the mercy of Israel since 1948 when their land was taken to create this terrorist nation. Since then, Israel has exploited the region and its people to the point they have nothing; no resources, no jobs and no defense. All with the support of their friends in Western countries.

 

 

Not sure what terrorist racists means but please show me evidence of defenseless people being attacked.

 

I would not call 80 rockets in one day as defenseless.

 

You say since 1948? Was it not the Arabs who waged 3 wars on Israel with HUGE armies and still managed to come out as loosers running back with tails between their legs?

 

Now lets talk about current situation. You can argue back and forward the silliness of why Israel should not respond to Hamas, but please do tell me your thought on Israel being attacked from Lebanon?

 

Yes, as of today Israel has been fired upon from Lebanon. Is Israel blockading Lebanon? NO

 

Is Israel supposedly stealing land from Lebanon? NO

 

Is Israel bombing Lebanon? NO, though they should.

 

So what idiotic excuse can you provide now for Hezbollah?

 

I agree with some posters, US should stay out of it, so should the rest of the world, so Israel can clean up the region once and for all, or at least for a while.

 

The West has failed in Syria, has failed in Iraq,, has failed in Egypt, has failed in Libya. These people do not understand anything and live by pure hatred.

 

This is how its been for centuries and how it is now and how it is going to be.

 

The never ending conflicts with each other or scapegoat like US or Israel is what keeps them going.

[Pralaad]

Last time I looked collective punishment is ILLEGAL.

 
If it was collective, there would be no Gaza but ruins and sand.
 
If Israel was to respond in same fashion of just firing rockets, then you could make a claim of collective punishment, but when Israel targets and hits ONLY Hamas leadership, Hamas fighters and Hamas bases, i would hardly call it collective if i really wanted to be objective.
 
Then on the other hand, what would you call Hamas targeting and firing at civilians in Israel? a friendly fire? Because this is what i would call collective punishment, as civilians are not the ones making decisions in regards to peace talks or settlement building

[SouthernMan3]

Here is one way to help stop the illegal bombardment of civilians Mr Obama. Stop giving them the bombs ! 

If the palestinians stop.

So would the Israelis !

 

Easy solution.

[SouthernMan3]

Here's one for y'all to ponder on.

 

If the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down it's weapons there would be no more Israel.

 

Simple, simple, simple 

 

[hard124get]

Sad, but the head of the household was Hamas and the Israelis issued a warning first. The terrorist's family left right away and were safe, but other Palestinians rushed into the house with children, to act as human "martyrs", and were killed when the missile hit. That has happened in several other cases as well. Hamas bears the responsibility for encouraging this behavior.

"Hello, this is the Israeli intelligence calling, We are bombing your house; you must evacuate the house immediately."

Can we have a source for this insightful piece of info?

[Pralaad]

 

Sad, but the head of the household was Hamas and the Israelis issued a warning first. The terrorist's family left right away and were safe, but other Palestinians rushed into the house with children, to act as human "martyrs", and were killed when the missile hit. That has happened in several other cases as well. Hamas bears the responsibility for encouraging this behavior.

"Hello, this is the Israeli intelligence calling, We are bombing your house; you must evacuate the house immediately."

Can we have a source for this insightful piece of info?

 

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[hard124get]

 

 

 

Obama couldn't broker peace between to first graders fighting over a King Dong.

 

Has anyone been successful in bringing peace to these two?

 

 

There hasn't been peace since Israel forced its way into the region and stole the land from the people living there.

 

 

Obama knows what is right, and he needs to follow his conscious on this.

 

 

In 1947 the area was under the British Mandate. So the left hand map would be misleading.  It was not all under Palestinian ownership even, not to mention rule.  Kinda funny from a website with the word "truth" in its title...

 

 

Yes, the British Mandate of PALESTINE. 

[Morch]

 

 

 

 

There hasn't been peace since Israel forced its way into the region and stole the land from the people living there.

 

 

Obama knows what is right, and he needs to follow his conscious on this.

 

 

In 1947 the area was under the British Mandate. So the left hand map would be misleading.  It was not all under Palestinian ownership even, not to mention rule.  Kinda funny from a website with the word "truth" in its title...

 

 

Yes, the British Mandate of PALESTINE. 

 

 

Palestine is an old name, was there in various forms before nowadays Palestinians.

And again, not all the lands were under Palestinian ownership. Apart from Jewish land owners, there was quite a bit

owned by rich families based in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Bandy words all you like, the map on the left is a lie.
 

[Noi657]

We wait in anticipation to see what the world police come up with this time!

[hawker9000]

...."says Obama"

 

      

[hard124get]

 

 

Sad, but the head of the household was Hamas and the Israelis issued a warning first. The terrorist's family left right away and were safe, but other Palestinians rushed into the house with children, to act as human "martyrs", and were killed when the missile hit. That has happened in several other cases as well. Hamas bears the responsibility for encouraging this behavior.

"Hello, this is the Israeli intelligence calling, We are bombing your house; you must evacuate the house immediately."

Can we have a source for this insightful piece of info?

 

israel_leaflets_warning.jpg

leaflet-e1352957949344-640x477.jpg

 

A source for the first paragraph. Show how you know the head of the household was Hamas, that his family left, that "other Palestinians rushed into the house with children, to act as human "martyrs", and were killed when the missile hit".. Sounds as if you were there.

[Ulysses G.]

 

Sad, but the head of the household was Hamas and the Israelis issued a warning first. The terrorist's family left right away and were safe, but other Palestinians rushed into the house with children, to act as human "martyrs", and were killed when the missile hit. That has happened in several other cases as well. Hamas bears the responsibility for encouraging this behavior.

"Hello, this is the Israeli intelligence calling, We are bombing your house; you must evacuate the house immediately."

Can we have a source for this insightful piece of info?

 

One source is the Palestinian Ministry of Information's Facebook page. It is not exactly a secret. I'm surprised that you have not seen it already.

 

"Mohammad Kaware adds ““Our neighbors came in to form a human shield, some of them even stood on the roof to try to prevent a bombing. Some neighbors were in the stairway before I left the house with my wife and children, as I hit the street."

https://www.facebook.com/pages/External-Media-Palestinian-Ministry-of-Information/184628998379079

[Pralaad]

 

 

Sad, but the head of the household was Hamas and the Israelis issued a warning first. The terrorist's family left right away and were safe, but other Palestinians rushed into the house with children, to act as human "martyrs", and were killed when the missile hit. That has happened in several other cases as well. Hamas bears the responsibility for encouraging this behavior.

"Hello, this is the Israeli intelligence calling, We are bombing your house; you must evacuate the house immediately."

Can we have a source for this insightful piece of info?
 

israel_leaflets_warning.jpg
leaflet-e1352957949344-640x477.jpg
 

A source for the first paragraph. Show how you know the head of the household was Hamas, that his family left, that "other Palestinians rushed into the house with children, to act as human "martyrs", and were killed when the missile hit".. Sounds as if you were there.

1. You need to express yourself better and not underline irrelevant information
2. If I was, am there, then what?would you like a copy of the resume from the head of household?

[Ulysses G.]

Yes, the British Mandate of PALESTINE.

During those day the JEWS were called Palestinians. The Arabs were usually just called Arabs, because that is what they were. Until the early 1960s, Arabs for the most part rejected the terms Palestine and Palestinians.
The Arab leaders at the time rejected the notion of a unique "Palestinian Arab" identity, insisting that Palestine was merely a part of "Greater Syria." In the 1960s, Yasser Arafat and the PLO started using the word "Palestinian" to refer to the Arabs living in West Bank, Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, Egypt, as well as inside Israel and that is how the "Palestinians" were created. Edited July 12, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[soalbundy]

Wasn't this gigantic cock up caused by the British who,during WW II, promised the land to both the Arabs and the Jews?

[Ulysses G.]

Well, that certainly did not help matters.