Third and Fourth etc. TCT waivers....Yes....

[BruceMangosteen]

As long as you are polite, they seem to be issuing these without much hassle..

Prove you have a legit degree and the correct paperwork from the school(as listed on their set of papers i.e. letter from the Director and application), done deal.

I also saw Africans and Filipino's being accepted without much fanfare as to what the University was i.e accredited etc.. The "World Almanac" issue was not even brought up.

The office seems overwhelmed but doing their best to keep teachers in schools.

All of the above relates to Government schools. I don't know about "private" schools. Those I met there were as I say African and Filipino and working currently in Government schools.

Work Permit offices everywhere(in this small sample) seem to be requiring either a waiver from the TCT or an actual Teachers License from the TCT. Nothing from the TCT, no WP new or renewals.

Main point remaining as in the topic header.....there doesn't seem to be any care about the number of waivers and/or effort to improve ones's self. I did hear someone being told "you might consider getting a degree in Education" to which she(the applicant) said "I'm only here for a year".

[Suradit69]

I also saw Africans and Filipino's being accepted

What in heaven's name is this supposed to imply? Some people appear to have existed in a bubble so long they can't even fathom how racist they sound.

As long as you are polite, they seem to be issuing these without much hassle..

Another totally ridiculous statement. Do you really feel advising people not to be rude and obnoxious is revealing some secret tactic that obviates the need to be even remotely qualified?

[BruceMangosteen]

I also saw Africans and Filipino's being accepted

What in heaven's name is this supposed to imply? Some people appear to have existed in a bubble so long they can't even fathom how racist they sound.

As long as you are polite, they seem to be issuing these without much hassle..

Another totally ridiculous statement. Do you really feel advising people not to be rude and obnoxious is revealing some secret tactic that obviates the need to be even remotely qualified?

This site sure does bring out the peanut shell tossers....I clearly said the Universities or "Colleges" were being accepted without regard to where they were, nothing to do with the race of the applicant rather, the accreditation of said institutions, how long one may have to study at same, online, etc.. As for being polite, it does matter in Thailand even when it shouldn't so yes, that is a "secret tactic" to avoid being sent away without your waiver. If you are liked it also helps you at your school but that's a topic for another day.

[simon43]

I also saw Africans and Filipino's being accepted

IE: non-NES. That is a relevant statement in the context of foreign teachers in Thailand.

[Scott]

Well, the nationality may matter, but it is less important. Some schools employ NES for teaching English, but employ other nationalities to teach subjects. Our Chinese teacher is not a NES, nor is our Japanese teacher, nor is our Music teacher. All of them, however, have taken either a TOEIC or another English language proficiency exam and have a score that is acceptable to the MOE, TCT and the School.

[casualbiker]

Well, the nationality may matter, but it is less important. Some schools employ NES for teaching English, but employ other nationalities to teach subjects. Our Chinese teacher is not a NES, nor is our Japanese teacher, nor is our Music teacher. All of them, however, have taken either a TOEIC or another English language proficiency exam and have a score that is acceptable to the MOE, TCT and the School.

I presume the Chinese and Japanese teachers aren't teaching English but they are teaching their mother tongue hence they are indeed "native speakers "

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[Scott]

NES = Native English Speaker. They are native speakers of their own language, but they are teaching in English and the transliterations are in the English alphabet as are the instructions from their textbooks.

[casualbiker]

NES = Native English Speaker. They are native speakers of their own language, but they are teaching in English and the transliterations are in the English alphabet as are the instructions from their textbooks.

So they are teaching English?

Oh and just take out the "e " and replace with a "c " or "j "

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[Scott]

No they are not teaching English, they are teaching using English.

[lostinisaan]

No they are not teaching English, they are teaching using English.

Then they’re basically teaching English, even when teaching a subject. Or let’s rephrase it. They’re teaching subjects in English. Quite irritating, as my example from a good friend might show.

He’s American, had just started to teach conversational English at a primary school in lower north east in an EP programme set up. So here’s what he got into.

A woman from a country in Asia’s teaching math, but can’t really communicate in English. Another one from the same country’s teaching science with an even worse command in English.

Then another person from an ASEAN member country’s trying to teach another subject. Trying to.

One of the native English speakers teaches health and computer, but can’t even book an online ticket from Air Asia. The guy’s 20 and Scottish. (Nothing against you, Scott!)

That’s the environment where the guy had just started in May, an EP, where students in grade four (EP) don’t understand easy questions, like: “What color is your shirt?”

Three of the non-native English speaking teachers, plus the 20 year old NES are not using a projector, as they’re not familiar how to use simple technology, for example how to create a slideshow, etc..

But all classrooms are pretty much good equipped, with Internet, PC’s, notebooks, etc…

Now please go and figure why the students can’t speak English, nor are they good in any subjects in English.Sorry for the long post.

[BruceMangosteen]

Three of the non-native English speaking teachers, plus the 20 year old NES are not using a projector, as they’re not familiar how to use simple technology, for example how to create a slideshow, etc..

A slideshow can require software often not in the "package". I'd be careful making blanket assertions. On this same note, in one of my classrooms the visualizer cable is damaged and despite asking since last term(March), no new cable has appeared. This "simple technology" isn't generally available in Thai classrooms so that means it's not merely a "volume is free" mentality will do. You have to have a motivated technician and the support of the Thai staff or of course, risk being labeled a complainer and watch yourself being unemployed.

ps: Air Asia isn't as simple as you imply. They don't take some Thai debit cards and the expire dates are often beyond those available in the payment section, plus it times out. I've found it's easier to just pay a travel agency 200baht to book the Air Asia tickets.

[BruceMangosteen]

Now please go and figure why the students can’t speak English, nor are they good in any subjects in English.Sorry for the long post.

They are good, very good, in English and the subjects, when they come out of real International schools. Anyone with real money would never send their kids to one of the programs like you outline and exists in many schools here, unless of course, they hate their kids.

[casualbiker]

Now please go and figure why the students can’t speak English, nor are they good in any subjects in English.Sorry for the long post.

They are good, very good, in English and the subjects, when they come out of real International schools. Anyone with real money would never send their kids to one of the programs like you outline and exists in many schools here, unless of course, they hate their kids.

My schools EP program has many motivated keen kids that are good in English etc. It also has many who are lazy. I would say it's similar in most schools including international schools. I once taught an international school student private lessons because when she applied for Mahidol international college she FAILED the English entrance exam !

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[lostinisaan]

Three of the non-native English speaking teachers, plus the 20 year old NES are not using a projector, as they’re not familiar how to use simple technology, for example how to create a slideshow, etc..

A slideshow can require software often not in the "package". I'd be careful making blanket assertions. On this same note, in one of my classrooms the visualizer cable is damaged and despite asking since last term(March), no new cable has appeared. This "simple technology" isn't generally available in Thai classrooms so that means it's not merely a "volume is free" mentality will do. You have to have a motivated technician and the support of the Thai staff or of course, risk being labeled a complainer and watch yourself being unemployed.

ps: Air Asia isn't as simple as you imply. They don't take some Thai debit cards and the expire dates are often beyond those available in the payment section, plus it times out. I've found it's easier to just pay a travel agency 200baht to book the Air Asia tickets.

Blanket assertions? A slideshow can require software, not often in the package? I've never ever seen a school computer without MS office.

So there's a problem with a cable in one of "your" classrooms, wow. You might need a "motivated Technician" to change a freaking cable. Fair.

Then your sentence being a complainer and watching yourself unemployed. Because of a cable? The cable complainer had lost his job......

Air Asia is as simple as I imply. You don't even need a credit card. There's an option where you can pay at 7 Eleven, then you'll have your ticket.

If you are a native English speaker, especially when you're that young like the guy i was on about (20), and you're not able to buy an online ticket through Air Asia's website, then you SHOULDN'T teach computer.

How comes that I -as a non native English speaker- am able to buy such an online ticket for an Air Asia inland flight within 10 minutes.

Then they send me my ticket (s) and i print them out. Why would I even go to a travel agency, if I need a ticket from Ubon R. to Bangkok and pay 200 baht to an agency??

Is it possible that you're one of these not complainers, who don't use a projector, using many excuses not to?

Because it seems that you don't know much about simple technology and the much better teaching opportunities, by using a projector, where you can actually show them what you're trying to teach.

Or maybe you just didn't get my point and read it again.

Edited July 26, 2014 by lostinisaan

[BruceMangosteen]

Is it possible that you're one of these not complainers, who don't use a projector, using many excuses not to?

Because it seems that you don't know much about simple technology and the much better teaching opportunities, by using a projector, where you can actually show them what you're trying to teach.

Or maybe you just didn't get my point and read it again.

---You are certainly in attack mode. I used to buy the needed cables myself but got tired of it. We, my school, has people employed to keep the equipment working. I like using the projector and your point is valid, it works much better than a whiteboard and cane stick on the arse. Regarding Air Asia, it's worth the 200baht to me, I can afford it. If 200baht matters so much to you, then go ahead and risk your credit card or visit a 7/11 and pay the 30baht fee to same. For me it's a matter of being financially situated where 200baht isn't a bit deal. I'll tip 200baht for a 100baht meal if the service was really good and really good because the person cared about me. But you go ahead with your as I say peanut shell tossing as it must make your day and entertain you.

[lostinisaan]

Is it possible that you're one of these not complainers, who don't use a projector, using many excuses not to?

Because it seems that you don't know much about simple technology and the much better teaching opportunities, by using a projector, where you can actually show them what you're trying to teach.

Or maybe you just didn't get my point and read it again.

---You are certainly in attack mode. I used to buy the needed cables myself but got tired of it. We, my school, has people employed to keep the equipment working. I like using the projector and your point is valid, it works much better than a whiteboard and cane stick on the arse. Regarding Air Asia, it's worth the 200baht to me, I can afford it. If 200baht matters so much to you, then go ahead and risk your credit card or visit a 7/11 and pay the 30baht fee to same. For me it's a matter of being financially situated where 200baht isn't a bit deal. I'll tip 200baht for a 100baht meal if the service was really good and really good because the person cared about me. But you go ahead with your as I say peanut shell tossing as it must make your day and entertain you.

Hey,

-I’m certainly NOT in attack mode. The point I had made that a 20 year old Scottish guy doesn't have a glue how to book such a ticket online, but he’s trying to teach computing?

His excuse for not being able to do so is pretty easy and strange at the same time.

His mom did "such things" for him before.

Here lies the problem about many threads that people just interpret what they think others wrote.

When same person draws a human body on the whiteboard in a "health" lesson, but having access to the Internet, a functioning PC/notebook, cable, projector, there must be something wrong.

I’d booked tickets from Air Asia quite a few times and it’s pretty much secure, as you’ll get a code sent to your phone.

Then the option to pay at 7 Eleven. If you’re such a nice guy who tips 200 baht for a 100 baht meal, you must be a decent guy.

But that hasn’t got anything to do with my point of view. And that’s what it is. An opinion.

Cheers-

Edited July 27, 2014 by lostinisaan