crazykopite Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Well done to the Chinese couple for taking it up with the port authorities as this person was not licensed to operate he should be slammed with a very heavy fine and banned from trading for 6 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I long for the day where by the junta will ban all jetski business from operating until they get their shit together and stop cheating people blind, how many more stories have to be told and how many people have to be hurt before somebody will do something about it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Unbelievable that this scammer will get away scot free......... "The Port authorities confirmed Khun Narongdaert’s operating license had expired and he was also found to be operating in a zone designated for swimmers and not Jet Ski’s. He is now under investigation by the Port authorities" - See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/137077/potential-jet-ski-scam-foiled-by-pattaya-port-authorities/#sthash.fFSzgJm9.dpuf The jet ski operators are some of the most notorious to operate on Thailands shores. The authorities have known about these vermin for years now. Multiple reports have been done overseas, and much embarrassment has been done to the kingdom by these insect operators. Yes, even though this creep was found to be operating in an illegal zone, was found to be operating with an expired license, and was found to be extorting money out of the tourists, he was only slapped on the wrist? Will they ever get serious about one of the worst scams in the country, and the criminals who perpetrate them? What is going on here? Who are these guys connected to? Will the military teach them some much needed lessons? Kudos to the Chinese couple for not caving in to their silly demands. It was probably just a scratch. The reality is, this guy should have had every one of his jet skis impounded, with a fine of 10,000 baht each to get them back, once he proved his license was renewed, and he moved to a legal zone. And he should have been fined a million baht for trying to extort the tourists. Period. End of story. Either the authorities start behaving like grown men, and get real with the penalties, or they admit they are man children, incapable of discipline. Edited August 1, 2014 by spidermike007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Jet skis and floating rocks and debris? Blame the illegal operators and tow them off to the junk yard. Chinese should write to ALL their countrymen about LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Ban them they are run by criminals and are a hazard to swimmers. ...or replace them with buoyed off areas and licensed and insured companies, under the direct control of the port authority. //Edit: As the PA would receive licensing money and the companies are paying it plus insurance etc - they will clean it up between themselves PDQ. Each city has it's institutional scam. Pattaya the jet ski, diving in Phuket, and Karaoke in Chiang Mai where a beer can cost some poor guy 40,000 baht. Firstly it amazes me that people still fall for it. Do they not watch the programs on TV back home about it or read anything posted here? Second, I think it will never stop. If you shut this down, another city scam institution will pop up. At least any one with common sense knows about these. The best thing for damage limitation is always to go to the police to negotiate the claim as the Thai criminal justice system allows compromise. Please elaborate on the ¨diving scams¨ in Phuket, that´s one I was unaware of and I have lived here 10 years. We have tuk tuk scams, jet ski scams, annoying tailors etc. But dive businesses..... You pay your money and go diving..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Loptr, on 01 Aug 2014 - 08:27, said: I'm surprised the jet ski scam hasn't come under the scrutiny of the junta... Why not give them a call? 1111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
media Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Im surprised that the perp had the ordasity to escilate the complaint to pattaya police station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangebrew Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Heard General is going jetskiing this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slygeeza Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) ok, I will reword it, somebody who doesnt work at the beach runs this scam and does the necessary things to make sure it remains operating, the guys on the beach are just doing what they are paid to do Edited August 1, 2014 by slygeeza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eurojomtien Posted August 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) This kind of scam has been going on in Koh Larn for YEARS. I personnally saw it happen at least 4 times on Samae Beach and Thian Beach (and I go there only about 5 or 6 times per year). This is how it works : a regular naive tourist (RNT) hires a jetski and on return is told that he damaged it here and there. The RNT protests. Muscular friends of the renter appear and circle around the RNT. Amount asked can vary from 2000 to 20,000. Depending on RNT's negotiation ability, he can have it reduced. Or not. Now the cherry on the cake, RNT screams "extortion, extortion, police!"... Well, lo and behold, a uniformed policeman materializes from nowhere (or was he just playing cards with the jetski team in the back?) and explains to RNT that he is in the wrong and must pay, otherwise things are going to get a lot, lot worse (jail etc). Conclusion : RNT pays. The big question is : Why do people still rent jet skis in Koh Larn, in this Internet age where information travels so fast and far ? Well... There seems to be an endless supply of RNT (and jet ski scammers, and crooked policemen on the take). Also.... do I need to mention what an extraordinary nuisance jetskis are on these gorgeous beaches (along with the mega-noisy long tail boats which carry the one-day tourists from the big boat to the beach and back, in what seems like and endless noria) ? The basic principle is : ONE guy is having a good time, at the expense of about 100 others, or more, putting them in danger and ruining their ears. In addition, the guys who run the jetskis ar a bunch of unpleasant, aggressive cowboys who love nothing so much as to scare the swimmers by driving their stupid machines as close to them as possible. Edited August 1, 2014 by Eurojomtien 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercool Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 defamatory comments deleted from post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 "The Port authorities confirmed Khun Narongdaert’s operating license had expired and he was also found to be operating in a zone designated for swimmers and not Jet Ski’s. He is now under investigation by the Port authorities" - See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/137077/potential-jet-ski-scam-foiled-by-pattaya-port-authorities/#sthash.fFSzgJm9.dpuf Operating in a swim zone. Yikes. Damages to a swimmer could have been far worse than that to the jet ski. Never mind the expired operating license.just don't give him, any member of his family, relative or associate a new one EVER. I'm not sure there are any that DON'T operate in the swim zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 "The Port authorities confirmed Khun Narongdaert’s operating license had expired and he was also found to be operating in a zone designated for swimmers and not Jet Ski’s. He is now under investigation by the Port authorities" - See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/137077/potential-jet-ski-scam-foiled-by-pattaya-port-authorities/#sthash.fFSzgJm9.dpuf Operating in a swim zone. Yikes. Damages to a swimmer could have been far worse than that to the jet ski. Never mind the expired operating license.just don't give him, any member of his family, relative or associate a new one EVER. I'm not sure there are any that DON'T operate in the swim zone. If that is true then they should all have their licenses revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeegator Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I thought these Jetski scammer should have insurance for their jetski to avoid scams...then again it goes on and on and on hmm: Car rents have insurance but still take a B5000 'deposit' to cover unforeseen and often 'unseen' damage so I don't think the scams will stop. This is Thailand. ante up, suckers. What you refer to is not a scam, it's called an "excess" that the insurance companies include in their policies and means the first 5000B (to use your example) of any claim is met by the insured. If you damage a car why should the rental company pay for that repair if it's insurer applies an excess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerakiss Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Unbelievable that this scammer will get away scot free......... "The Port authorities confirmed Khun Narongdaerts operating license had expired and he was also found to be operating in a zone designated for swimmers and not Jet Skis. He is now under investigation by the Port authorities" - See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/137077/potential-jet-ski-scam-foiled-by-pattaya-port-authorities/#sthash.fFSzgJm9.dpuf Can't see why the Chinese couple had to pay anything then. If the unlicensed guy hadn't been operating in an area designated for swimmers, they wouldn't have hit whatever they hit. But credit to them for finding a way to at least get the amount reduced. Now if only the police would just do their job and do something about the scum who operated the jet ski, and not just the 21 year old front man. The jet ski should have been confiscated if the people are untraceable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeegator Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Im surprised that the perp had the ordasity to escilate the complaint to pattaya police station What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 did the jetski have some kind of book, where it states what was fixed / repaired and when ? as they next couple of idiots renting the jetski might end up paying for the same "damage" over and over again ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeegator Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I thought these Jetski scammer should have insurance for their jetski to avoid scams...then again it goes on and on and on hmm: Car rents have insurance but still take a B5000 'deposit' to cover unforeseen and often 'unseen' damage so I don't think the scams will stop. This is Thailand. ante up, suckers. No deposit on car rentals is to cover the part the insurance doesn't cover - it never covers the first x baht/dollars/pounds/Euros/etc simply to stop frivolous claims. These people are not being scammed for small deposits (lets face it a car costs 2+ million baht and has a 5k deposit - these jet skis cost 200k and change 60k for "malicious damage"). A small deposit of say 2k would probably by fine, paid up front and returned when it comes back unbuttered - any damage = loss of that deposit and end of story for punter (legitimate operator claims on the insurance - or does the repairs himself) "...when it comes back unbuttered..." Nothing worse than an unbuttered jetski. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurojomtien Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Im surprised that the perp had the ordasity to escilate the complaint to pattaya police station What? What part of 'ordasity to escilate' don't you understand, Zeegator ? Check your dirkscionarie, for harven's sack ! Edited August 1, 2014 by Eurojomtien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurojomtien Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I thought these Jetski scammer should have insurance for their jetski to avoid scams...then again it goes on and on and on hmm: Car rents have insurance but still take a B5000 'deposit' to cover unforeseen and often 'unseen' damage so I don't think the scams will stop. This is Thailand. ante up, suckers. No deposit on car rentals is to cover the part the insurance doesn't cover - it never covers the first x baht/dollars/pounds/Euros/etc simply to stop frivolous claims. These people are not being scammed for small deposits (lets face it a car costs 2+ million baht and has a 5k deposit - these jet skis cost 200k and change 60k for "malicious damage"). A small deposit of say 2k would probably by fine, paid up front and returned when it comes back unbuttered - any damage = loss of that deposit and end of story for punter (legitimate operator claims on the insurance - or does the repairs himself) "...when it comes back unbuttered..." Nothing worse than an unbuttered jetski. Except for an unbattered toast, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurojomtien Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Hate to read about jet ski scams and surely hate the scammers, but... jet ski altogether and their renters are a pain in the ar$e as well. Noisy and a danger to swimmers. To hell with them all. Ban them, please. I think mo$t re$ident$ here ab$olutely agree with you on thi$ one, Maximi££ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurojomtien Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Each city has it's institutional scam. Pattaya the jet ski, diving in Phuket, and Karaoke in Chiang Mai where a beer can cost some poor guy 40,000 baht. Firstly it amazes me that people still fall for it. Do they not watch the programs on TV back home about it or read anything posted here? Second, I think it will never stop. If you shut this down, another city scam institution will pop up. At least any one with common sense knows about these. The best thing for damage limitation is always to go to the police to negotiate the claim as the Thai criminal justice system allows compromise. Please elaborate on the ¨diving scams¨ in Phuket, that´s one I was unaware of and I have lived here 10 years. We have tuk tuk scams, jet ski scams, annoying tailors etc. But dive businesses..... You pay your money and go diving..... Yes, please, Uncle Tony, tell us. What's the diving scam in Phuket ? do they give you oxygen bottles with laughing gas in it ? Do they keep you down there unless you pay a return fare ? How does it work ? And 40,000 baht for a beer in Chiangmai ? Now that would titillate anyone's curiosity ! What brand, for a start ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoli Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I'm surprised the jet ski scam hasn't come under the scrutiny of the junta... Yet? I hope they are being watched now by the junta. They seems to be everywhere, which I appreciate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I had a similar experience many years ago with the Avis rental agent at Don Muang. He tried to get me to pay 5000 for damage that was listed on the sign out sheet saying that I made it worse which did not happen. I think he was counting on me needing to catch a flight but that was not the case so I waited him out while he threatened to call the police. He finally said that he would let it go this time as it wasn't serious. I am sure this was just some Avis worker trying to get some pocket money as I am sure this is not Avis policy. You should have kept copies of the contract, got the agent's name, and then file a formal complaint with Avis Corporate in Hayward, CA in the USA. If fact, you still can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip66 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I thought these Jetski scammer should have insurance for their jetski to avoid scams...then again it goes on and on and on hmm: Car rents have insurance but still take a B5000 'deposit' to cover unforeseen and often 'unseen' damage so I don't think the scams will stop. This is Thailand. ante up, suckers. No deposit on car rentals is to cover the part the insurance doesn't cover - it never covers the first x baht/dollars/pounds/Euros/etc simply to stop frivolous claims. These people are not being scammed for small deposits (lets face it a car costs 2+ million baht and has a 5k deposit - these jet skis cost 200k and change 60k for "malicious damage"). A small deposit of say 2k would probably by fine, paid up front and returned when it comes back unbuttered - any damage = loss of that deposit and end of story for punter (legitimate operator claims on the insurance - or does the repairs himself) "...when it comes back unbuttered..." Nothing worse than an unbuttered jetski. I prefer my jet ski's butter side up.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Does the jetski mafia still operates from opposite Mikes ? My impression was that they've been forced to leave after the junta took over. Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick02 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 stop rent jetski , leave them no money better . :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razer Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Jet ski rentals should be licensed and have proof of insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easybullet3 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Unbelievable that this scammer will get away scot free......... "The Port authorities confirmed Khun Narongdaert’s operating license had expired and he was also found to be operating in a zone designated for swimmers and not Jet Ski’s. He is now under investigation by the Port authorities" - See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/137077/potential-jet-ski-scam-foiled-by-pattaya-port-authorities/#sthash.fFSzgJm9.dpuf BUT: if he was operating in a ZONE for swimmers,,, then isnt it PRETTY OBVIOUS ??? !!!! i mean: the "so called" Port Authority would SEE HIM in an illegal area.... as well as the DAILY PASSING POLICE !!! I also see Policemen REGULARLY HARASSING STREET SELLERS and bars (and cars and bikes)for their licence,,, i am pretty sure that the Police would check licences from Boat operators too, no? (deleted) either way,, it is negligent that the Port Authority turns a BLIND EYE to boat operators who are using an illegal zone for swimmers. surely the Port Authority should be slapped on the wrist too during this investigation !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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