Gaza school strike 'criminal' - UN

[wiki12]

Veterans Today - 'Israel a cornered rat.'

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/israel-a-cornered-rat/

[Jingthing]

Veterans Today - 'Israel a cornered rat.'

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/israel-a-cornered-rat/

You have posted an article from an extremist hate group / conspiracy theory oriented website.

Congratulations!

http://us.wow.com/wiki/Veterans_Today

Veterans Today is an American political website that describes itself as "an online journal representing the position of members of the military and veteran community in areas of national security, geopolitical stability and domestic policy."^[2] Many of their contributors are veterans, and they state support for "the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic".^{[citation needed]} TheAnti-Defamation League ("ADL") and the Southern Poverty Law Center have criticized it for promoting bigoted and extremist viewpoints.^[3][4] According to the ADL, VT's articles are reposted widely on the Internet, primarily on conspiracy-oriented and right-wing extremist websites.^[3]

Edited August 6, 2014 by Jingthing

[siampolee]

Jingthing post # 278

You have posted an article from an extremist hate group / conspiracy theory oriented website.

Congratulations!

Nice to see that a poster hates veterans some of them even now alive who helped to liberate the P.O.W. camps during W.W. 2 . thus they no doubt saved Jewish lives.

However we see clearly again the contempt and gratitude the Zionists have for the Goyim.

[Jingthing]

Jingthing post # 278

You have posted an article from an extremist hate group / conspiracy theory oriented website.

Congratulations!

Nice to see that a poster hates veterans some of them even now alive who helped to liberate the P.O.W. camps during W.W. 2 . thus they no doubt saved Jewish lives.

However we see clearly again the contempt and gratitude the Zionists have for the Goyim.

Anyone who even has a superficial look at that website can see very quickly it is an extreme JEW HATING website.

Your comment above also reflects Judeophobia as have many of your posts over the years.

Due to the events in Gaza, I do know that haters all over the world (and internet) are now feeling liberated to OPENLY express their hatred of Jews, sometimes thinly veiled by "anti-Zionism" and sometimes not.

While strong protest over Israel's policies in general and in Gaza is certainly totally LEGIT, people who are using these current events as an excuse to inflame racism against Jews in general need to be called out.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Jingthing

[Kalebiran]

Interesting how a topic about "criminal " acts by Israel is being turned into "anti jewish" action and issues connected. It shows the weakness in their indefensible stance. Now there are many Jews , particularly a younger generation, who are not tied to the past and prepared to challenge the actions of Israel. hiding behind"anti semitism" is cowardly.http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/politics/activism/8376-jews-in-britain-against-genocide-in-gaza

Edited August 6, 2014 by Kalebiran

[siampolee]

Jingthing post # 280.

Your comment above also reflects Judeophobia as have many of your posts over the years.

Now considering I have made my posts over a time span of some 8 months concerning this particular topic I would ask you to furnish a list of my posts ''Made over the years.''

I abhor religion in all its perverse beliefs forms as all I have ever seen from nationalistic religious beliefs like those which you among others hold is hate.

I stand by my comments and if you find them offensive well don't read them or put me on ignore.

However, remember that the truth never goes away no matter what people may do to ignore or hide the truth.

[7by7]

<snip>

I have repeatedly asked you justify your comments

Any I have done so, but all you do is deny the obvious, so it is not worth searching though your comments over and over again. Anyone who reads you regularly knows exactly where you are coming from.

What I actually said was "I have repeatedly asked you justify your comments I have posted 'hate speech' or similar by quoting any post of mine which could be considered such; yet neither of you have done so; apart from one feeble attempt which showed nothing of the sort."

I wonder why you cut the last bit out when you quoted me! Actually I don't wonder at all; it's obvious.

The feeble attempt was you quoting me saying "You are correct in saying that both right wing and left wing groups are involved; which shows how abhorrence of Israel's actions unites across the usual political divides."

Will you explain how that is hate speech or anything like it?

If you know where I am coming from, perhaps you will honour us by providing one quote where I have supported the firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas.

As you are so sure I have done so, you should easily be able to find one as they must be very common.

Same with the hate speech you claim I regularly post.

But of course, you wont be able to find any post like that as I have made none.

When will you and those who share your opinion realise that supporting the rights of Palestinians and abhorring the vast overreaction of the Israeli government and the IDF is not Judeophobic, or whatever Jingthing's favourite word is today, nor does it mean one supports the firing of rockets by Hamas.

Maybe you should read the article written by the Rabbi linked to earlier; Rabbi does mean teacher, does it not?

Or do you consider him to be a Judeophobic neo Nazi full of hate speech as well?

[coma]

<snip>

I have repeatedly asked you justify your comments

Any I have done so, but all you do is deny the obvious, so it is not worth searching though your comments over and over again. Anyone who reads you regularly knows exactly where you are coming from.

I wonder why you cut the last bit out when you quoted me! Actually I don't wonder at all; it's obvious.

That is his MO. Always does it in a poor attempt at making his argument seem more credible [fail] .

" Ulysses" master of distortion and manipulating facts.

[Ulysses G.]

<snip>

I have repeatedly asked you justify your comments

Any I have done so, but all you do is deny the obvious, so it is not worth searching though your comments over and over again. Anyone who reads you regularly knows exactly where you are coming from.

What I actually said was "I have repeatedly asked you justify your comments I have posted 'hate speech' or similar by quoting any post of mine which could be considered such; yet neither of you have done so; apart from one feeble attempt which showed nothing of the sort."

I did not address it, because I do not recall saying that you that "regularly post hate speech." I do remember pointing out numerous examples of you comparing Israel to Nazi Germany - maybe that is what you are referring to - but most of those posts have been deleted by the moderators.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

Maybe you should read the article written by the Rabbi linked to earlier; Rabbi does mean teacher, does it not?

I already read it. I also Googled him. He is a far left activist who has been demonizing Israel and America for years - pretty much what I expected.

[Ulysses G.]

Thank you. That has already been pointed out to him, but he insists on posting discredited nonsense over and over again.

[up-country_sinclair]

Interesting how a topic about "criminal " acts by Israel is being turned into "anti jewish" action and issues connected. It shows the weakness in their indefensible stance.

It's the default response for the Hasbara-bots: deflection at all costs.

[David48]

Gentlemen ... I suppose a Group Hug is out of the Question?

[Steely Dan]

Interesting how a topic about "criminal " acts by Israel is being turned into "anti jewish" action and issues connected. It shows the weakness in their indefensible stance.

It's the default response for the Hasbara-bots: deflection at all costs.

And back to the OP if you hypocritically talk of deflection. The strike took place OUTSIDE the U.N school, so all the bullshit about Israel targeting schools deliberately has been disproven along with all the premature speculative hot air about war crimes. Meanwhile Hamas have been fingered for dragging dead bodies of their fighters into the school compound and adding the body of a child like a propaganda cherry on the top. Still it was good for over ten pages of posts from our pseudo humanitarian frothers.

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[joepublic]

I use the word Judeophobia only because the more appropriate word antisemitism has become impossible to use anymore on this forum. Every time it is used, some jokers try to act like they don't know that it only refers to Jews and not Arabs as well. So you can't talk about hatred of Jews on this forum like in normal society with the more common word ANTISEMITISM. So the word that makes it more specific about Jews is Judeophobia. It is NOT my choice to use it. Antisemitism is clearly the more commonly understood word. BUT ... there is no other way to communicate the concept here on THIS forum.

Here you go again!

Criticism of Israel, IDF, or the Zionists is not Judeophobia and not anti-Semitism. It's outrage against cruelty and injustice.

When you use these terms, you lie and insult us, by implying that we hate jews for simply being jews, This is your way to avoid the issue, and paint your opponents as racist at the same time. Its not only offensive, its a transparent, and tired tactic.

If you need to use a term, use Anti Zionist, because this way, the focus is on the cause of the misery and injustice, which is Zionism, the militant philosophy that many Jews disagree with.

[Jingthing]

I use the word Judeophobia only because the more appropriate word antisemitism has become impossible to use anymore on this forum. Every time it is used, some jokers try to act like they don't know that it only refers to Jews and not Arabs as well. So you can't talk about hatred of Jews on this forum like in normal society with the more common word ANTISEMITISM. So the word that makes it more specific about Jews is Judeophobia. It is NOT my choice to use it. Antisemitism is clearly the more commonly understood word. BUT ... there is no other way to communicate the concept here on THIS forum.

Here you go again!

Criticism of Israel, IDF, or the Zionists is not Judeophobia and not anti-Semitism. It's outrage against cruelty and injustice.

When you use these terms, you lie and insult us, by implying that we hate jews for simply being jews, This is your way to avoid the issue, and paint your opponents as racist at the same time. Its not only offensive, its a transparent, and tired tactic.

If you need to use a term, use Anti Zionist, because this way, the focus is on the cause of the misery and injustice, which is Zionism, the militant philosophy that many Jews disagree with.

Posters who have posted racist hate speech do not get to dictate the use of terms.

Sorry, it is the truth. Many many times people HIDE their Jew hatred under the cover of anti-Zionism.

Sometimes it is obvious. Sometimes grey area. But of course not all the time.

So do not even BOTHER saying that anyone is saying that ALL criticism of Israeli policies is Judeophobic by definition because it isn't and nobody is saying that.

If posters insist on posting racist poison, whether thinly disguised as "anti-Zionism" or not you are not immune from having it called out. That includes linking to racist/neo-Nazi/Judeophobic websites, as has been done many many times here by so called anti-Zionists.

I realize with the situation in Gaza, Jew haters think this is now open season ... but no, Jews and good people against racism will be fighting back.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

Criticism of Israel, IDF, or the Zionists is not Judeophobia and not anti-Semitism.

Not always, but, as illustrated by the anti-Semitic protests all over Europe and a number of posts on this very forum, a lot of the time it IS anti-Semitism. Simply substituting the term "Zionists" for Jews does not change that - although some folks don't even bother. Jingthing and others are perfectly correct in pointing it out.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[joepublic]

Maybe you should read the article written by the Rabbi linked to earlier; Rabbi does mean teacher, does it not?

I already read it. I also Googled him. He is a far left activist who has been demonizing Israel and America for years - pretty much what I expected.

Labels applied, slurs implied, content ignored - pretty much what I expected

[joepublic]

Criticism of Israel, IDF, or the Zionists is not Judeophobia and not anti-Semitism.

Not always, but, as illustrated by the anti-Semitic protests all over Europe and a number of posts on this very forum, a lot of the time it IS anti-Semitism. Jingthing and others are perfectly correct in pointing it out.

Then point out when the criticism is for the act of being Jewish, and not the actions that are being carried out buy the State or Individual. I would be the first one to tear down anyone who has an irrational hatred of something, simply for being Jewish, but I have not seen many of these. Probably because the moderator rightly removes them.

[Kalebiran]

Interesting how a topic about "criminal " acts by Israel is being turned into "anti jewish" action and issues connected. It shows the weakness in their indefensible stance.

It's the default response for the Hasbara-bots: deflection at all costs.

And back to the OP if you hypocritically talk of deflection. The strike took place OUTSIDE the U.N school, so all the bullshit about Israel targeting schools deliberately has been disproven along with all the premature speculative hot air about war crimes. Meanwhile Hamas have been fingered for dragging dead bodies of their fighters into the school compound and adding the body of a child like a propaganda cherry on the top. Still it was good for over ten pages of posts from our pseudo humanitarian frothers.

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I leave the "bullshit"to the Israel apologists.So lets have International independent investigation of the school hits and killings.Not as if Israel ever takes notice of international investigations or those opposing its illegality. Edited August 6, 2014 by Kalebiran

[joepublic]

Veterans Today - 'Israel a cornered rat.'

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/israel-a-cornered-rat/

You have posted an article from an extremist hate group / conspiracy theory oriented website.

Congratulations!

http://us.wow.com/wiki/Veterans_Today

Veterans Today is an American political website that describes itself as "an online journal representing the position of members of the military and veteran community in areas of national security, geopolitical stability and domestic policy."^[2] Many of their contributors are veterans, and they state support for "the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic".^{[citation needed]} TheAnti-Defamation League ("ADL") and the Southern Poverty Law Center have criticized it for promoting bigoted and extremist viewpoints.^[3][4] According to the ADL, VT's articles are reposted widely on the Internet, primarily on conspiracy-oriented and right-wing extremist websites.^[3]

Jinthing,

You have really exposed your blinkered thinking this time

Have you see the list of editors. Many of them Ex US military and even an attaché to Israel. And the people who critise them.. the ADL, who everyone knows is a hysterical propaganda group who exist to stifle any anti Zionist speech. Assuming this list is correct, you cant simply dismiss them as " ____" (fill in the blank with your latest label)

• Gordon Duff - Chairman, U.S. Marines, Vietnam, Managing Director, Adamus Defense Group, Switzerland
• Col. James Hanke – US Army Special Forces (Ret.) Former G2 Third Army, Attache to Israel, A-Team Leader Vietnam, Director of Operations, Adamus Defense Group, Switzerland
• Gwenyth Todd - Former Head, White House National Security Council, Middle East Desk, Chief Political Advisor, US Navy 5th Fleet
• Leo Wanta – Former National Director of Intelligence under President Reagan and Inspector General, Department of Defense
• • Dr. James H. Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota Duluth, former Marine Corps officer
  • Dr. Kevin Barrett, Specialist in Islamic Studies, Educator, Radio Host, Investigative Journalist
  • Major Bobby Hanifin - US Air Force, Veterans Affairs Editor

[Jingthing]

Soldiers and ex-soldiers can be tin foil hat conspiracy theory wackos and Jew haters too, dude. Again, anyone OBJECTIVE with the slightest bit of intelligence can easily see that is a propaganda site. No point in further discussion on this. People with a rabid bias that gels with that hate speech site will not have their views changed though.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Jingthing

[joepublic]

I use the word Judeophobia only because the more appropriate word antisemitism has become impossible to use anymore on this forum. Every time it is used, some jokers try to act like they don't know that it only refers to Jews and not Arabs as well. So you can't talk about hatred of Jews on this forum like in normal society with the more common word ANTISEMITISM. So the word that makes it more specific about Jews is Judeophobia. It is NOT my choice to use it. Antisemitism is clearly the more commonly understood word. BUT ... there is no other way to communicate the concept here on THIS forum.

Here you go again!

Criticism of Israel, IDF, or the Zionists is not Judeophobia and not anti-Semitism. It's outrage against cruelty and injustice.

When you use these terms, you lie and insult us, by implying that we hate jews for simply being jews, This is your way to avoid the issue, and paint your opponents as racist at the same time. Its not only offensive, its a transparent, and tired tactic.

If you need to use a term, use Anti Zionist, because this way, the focus is on the cause of the misery and injustice, which is Zionism, the militant philosophy that many Jews disagree with.

Posters who have posted racist hate speech do not get to dictate the use of terms.

Sorry, it is the truth. Many many times people HIDE their Jew hatred under the cover of anti-Zionism.

Sometimes it is obvious. Sometimes grey area. But of course not all the time.

So do not even BOTHER saying that anyone is saying that ALL criticism of Israeli policies is Judeophobic by definition because it isn't and nobody is saying that.

If posters insist on posting racist poison, whether thinly disguised as "anti-Zionism" or not you are not immune from having it called out. That includes linking to racist/neo-Nazi/Judeophobic websites, as has been done many many times here by so called anti-Zionists.

I realize with the situation in Gaza, Jew haters think this is now open season ... but no, Jews and good people against racism will be fighting back.

TRANSLATION:

" I don't care what you say, or what you do, I will choose to tell you that you hate Jews"

[Jingthing]

TRANSLATION:

" I don't care what you say, or what you do, I will choose to tell you that you hate Jews"

Correction ... why not exercise your brain and try posting your POV without resorting to obvious Judeophobia, INSANE conspiracy theory, and hate speech, Neo-Nazi, etc. sources.

If objective people think I am joking about what an insane site this is and therefore can NEVER be considered any kind of credible source, check out just one of their articles. This site is FILLED with that kind of garbage.

Really, if that is the intellectual level here of people arguing against Israeli policies ... well ... words fail me ...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/02/israeli-teens-2/

Edited August 6, 2014 by Jingthing

[joepublic]

Soldiers and ex-soldiers can be tin foil hat conspiracy theory wackos and Jew haters too, dude. Again, anyone OBJECTIVE with the slightest bit of intelligence can easily see that is a propaganda site. No point in further discussion on this. People with a rabid bias that gels with that hate speech site will not have their views changed though.

You're funny ;-)

[kblaze]

The AQ angle (or, for that matter Islamic Jihad) has more to do with domestic politics for the control of the Gaza Strip than

with Israel.

Wrong. In the quote, the AQ leader specifically criticizes them for joining peace processes with Israel. You posted the link, you should know.

[Jingthing]

Soldiers and ex-soldiers can be tin foil hat conspiracy theory wackos and Jew haters too, dude. Again, anyone OBJECTIVE with the slightest bit of intelligence can easily see that is a propaganda site. No point in further discussion on this. People with a rabid bias that gels with that hate speech site will not have their views changed though.

You're funny ;-)

You're scary.

[kblaze]

Well, there are all them tunnels the Hamas dug up. Leadership seems to be pretty much unharmed. The tunnels IDF was destroying are those leading into Israel, there are others.

They are supposed to hide out in tunnels?

If you are joking, it still doesn't take away from the tastelessness.

I am not joking and you are being obtuse.

A government has an obligation to protect its civilians.

The Hamas (elected ruler of the Gaza Strip) expanded a lot of resources into projects that could have been used as

means to protect the population in an emergency. These projects were not, at any point of the fighting, utilized in

such a manner - leaving the civilians to fend for themselves, while Hamas operatives and leadership were safely

underground.

My post was not a justification of Israel's attacks, and was not a claim that Gazans should spend their lives in tunnels.

It just pointed out that there was an emergency, a viable means to protect at least some of the population, and sadly

no inclination from Hamas to make it so.

I would think it tasteless on the part of Hamas leadership, indeed.

So you are serious that Gazan women and children should shelter in tunnels that Hamas has built? The very tunnels that Israel is destroying?

How about just let them out of the damn country? Let them into the West Bank with other Palestinians? Or are you of the same mind as other posters that it would be impossible to tell a terrorist from a non-terrorist?

[kblaze]

You defend Israel as being the most moral army in the region, the shining beacon of democracy, doing its best to protect against civilian casualties....

Straw Man. No one is saying that besides you. However, all three are much more true about Israel than any neighboring country.

You say "Straw Man", then you proceed to agree with me!

[up-country_sinclair]

I use the word Judeophobia only because the more appropriate word antisemitism has become impossible to use anymore on this forum. Every time it is used, some jokers try to act like they don't know that it only refers to Jews and not Arabs as well. So you can't talk about hatred of Jews on this forum like in normal society with the more common word ANTISEMITISM. So the word that makes it more specific about Jews is Judeophobia. It is NOT my choice to use it. Antisemitism is clearly the more commonly understood word. BUT ... there is no other way to communicate the concept here on THIS forum.

Here you go again!

Criticism of Israel, IDF, or the Zionists is not Judeophobia and not anti-Semitism. It's outrage against cruelty and injustice.

When you use these terms, you lie and insult us, by implying that we hate jews for simply being jews, This is your way to avoid the issue, and paint your opponents as racist at the same time. Its not only offensive, its a transparent, and tired tactic.

If you need to use a term, use Anti Zionist, because this way, the focus is on the cause of the misery and injustice, which is Zionism, the militant philosophy that many Jews disagree with.

Posters who have posted racist hate speech do not get to dictate the use of terms.

Sorry, it is the truth. Many many times people HIDE their Jew hatred under the cover of anti-Zionism.

Sometimes it is obvious. Sometimes grey area. But of course not all the time.

So do not even BOTHER saying that anyone is saying that ALL criticism of Israeli policies is Judeophobic by definition because it isn't and nobody is saying that.

If posters insist on posting racist poison, whether thinly disguised as "anti-Zionism" or not you are not immune from having it called out. That includes linking to racist/neo-Nazi/Judeophobic websites, as has been done many many times here by so called anti-Zionists.

I realize with the situation in Gaza, Jew haters think this is now open season ... but no, Jews and good people against racism will be fighting back.

Why do you keep referring to "racist poison", "racist websites" and "racism"?

Jews are not a race. Neither are Muslims, Christians, Buddhists or Scientologists.

And by the way, I haven't seen any evidence of the regular posters on these Israel / Palestine threads posting anything remotely "Judeophobic". If there were, I am quite confident that the posters would have been suspended or banned by the moderators.

What I have seen is textbook examples of a victim mentality along with posters defaulting to the "anti-semtism" card whenever others point out the reprehensible actions of the murderous Israeli state.