Blacklisted

[dimi40]

i was convicted in Belgium and run away to Thailand. I was in Thailand from 07.2008 till 06.2013 i worked there had visa and work permit. iI never did somthing wrong in Thailand.

On 12.06.2013 i went back to Belgium was arestet in Belgium but after some hours they let me go

The reason of this was that my convinction was older then 5 years so it was outdated

they let me go as a free man

 

I have make a new ID card and passport i went to they Thai Embassy

explane my situation they told me to take conntact to the Belgium Embassy in Thailand

they know about my situattion they told me they is no problem to go back to Tahailand

so i bock the Ticket on 03.09.2013 to Bangkok on the Thai Immigration they arest me

and after 3 days they send me back to Belgium because i am Blacklisted

 

My question is how to get off the Blacklist again

 

 

can somebody pls HELP me

[ATF]

Change your name.

[craigp]

You had a visa and work permit and cleared of all charges in Belgium, so how/why would you be blacklisted?

[ubonjoe]

Perhaps you have an old arrest warrant in a database that has not been cleared. You need to check it out while in Belgium.

A criminal back ground check would be a good way to start.

[paz]

i was convicted in Belgium and run away to Thailand. I was in Thailand from 07.2008 till 06.2013 i worked there had visa and work permit. 

 
 
I'm afraid that just having entered Thailand in 2008, while you were wanted by another country, is enough to have committed a crime in Thailand, and be blacklisted on that basis alone.

However your case may be complicated , I think that only a good, well connected criminal lawyer in Thailand can help you.

[dimi40]

If a have still a old arrest in Database they will never give me a new Passport because in the begin in Belgium was this problem

but they dont give it to because i was in blacklist Belgium clear all and give me a new Passport

 

And give me a Certifacate that i am clean and i am not Wanted in Belgium anymore

 

Cartifacate from Belium Gouvernement

 

this document i sent it to the Thai Emberssy in Belgium i sant it to Thai Immigrand and to the Belgium Emberssy in Bangkok

stil they have me on Blacklist

 

[Westaurel]

Dare to expose your criminal escape to belgian justice and being now outraged that Thailand has blacklisted you ?

 

For asking some type of visa you must proove your criminal record is empty of any charge.

[jacky54]

what was your crime? you can change the name, but not the birth date or fingerprints.

[ubonjoe]

You need to contact a lawyer in Thailand to investigate the problem and file an appeal to immigration to get your name off the blacklist if needed.

[Mario2008]

You were convicted, if that is the case that is a reason to deny you entry into the country.

 

As said, contact a lawyer and see what can be done. Which will also depend on the reason for the conviction. Anything to do with drugs for example you can forget it, while a conviction for driving under influence might see a result in not being denied entry.

[mataleo]

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

[John1thru10]

i wish I had all the social services offered by Belgium.  It's not like you're fleeing oppression.  And, as much as I hate to sound like a cranky retiree here...maybe Thailand just isn't the place for you.  If you're blacklisted, maybe Thailand doesn't really want you here.  You could at least stop banging on the door when they've already said no.  It's hardly the only country in SE Asia, for that matter.

[Mario2008]

Several posts removed.

 

If you don't have any positive advise to offer there is the option of not replying.

[PLW]

Try talking to Interpol and see if they can take you off their list.

[AGareth2]

might still be possible to get to the right man

costly though!

[NomadJoe]

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

 

Not ok.

 

Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

[NomadJoe]

You were convicted, if that is the case that is a reason to deny you entry into the country.

 

As said, contact a lawyer and see what can be done. Which will also depend on the reason for the conviction. Anything to do with drugs for example you can forget it, while a conviction for driving under influence might see a result in not being denied entry.

 

There is something fishy about this story. I am not convinced he was convicted at all. I am not an expert on Belgium law, but I don't know of a jurisdiction anywhere where convictions just "run out." The term "statute of limitations" refers to a limited amount of time police have to charge a person with a crime. Not the situation here. According to him he was arrested, charged, and convicted then fled before serving his sentence.

 

The fleeing bit could have possibly triggered an INTERPOL  red notice, which isn't an "international warrant" (there is no such thing) but just a notice containing information that an individual is wanted in another country and extradition may be possible.  INTERPOL only facilitates the dissemination of information to member countries. They have no not police powers, jails, courts etc. 

 

But it sounds to me like he brought up the issue voluntarily with a Thai embassy or immigration, so perhaps that is how they fond out.

 

Being convicted of a crime difines as anything other than petty or due to negligence in any country bars you from entry into Thailand, though since they have no database access to other countries, this is not yet enforceable. Not yet.

 

 

"According to the Immigration Act of Thailand B.E. 2522 (1979), foreigners who fall into any of the following categories are prohibited to enter Thailand:

 

(6)  Having been imprisoned by judgment of the Thai Court; or by lawful injunction or judgment of the Court of a foreign country, except for when the penalty is for a petty offence, or negligence, or is provided for as an exception by the Ministerial Regulations."

 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/123/15405-General-information.html

 

As already suggested, your only recourse is to contact a Thai immigration lawyer to find out what the problem is. But if your conviction is not a "petty" offence or due to negligence, and it is known to the Thai government, then there is likely nothing you can do. 

[mataleo]

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

 
Not ok.
 
Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

Yes there is

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=international+arrest+warrant&rlz=1Y3GQQX_plTH553TH553&oq=international+arrest&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.13535j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

[mataleo]

You were convicted, if that is the case that is a reason to deny you entry into the country.
 
As said, contact a lawyer and see what can be done. Which will also depend on the reason for the conviction. Anything to do with drugs for example you can forget it, while a conviction for driving under influence might see a result in not being denied entry.

 
There is something fishy about this story. I am not convinced he was convicted at all. I am not an expert on Belgium law, but I don't know of a jurisdiction anywhere where convictions just "run out." The term "statute of limitations" refers to a limited amount of time police have to charge a person with a crime. Not the situation here. According to him he was arrested, charged, and convicted then fled before serving his sentence.
 
The fleeing bit could have possibly triggered an INTERPOL  red notice, which isn't an "international warrant" (there is no such thing) but just a notice containing information that an individual is wanted in another country and extradition may be possible.  INTERPOL only facilitates the dissemination of information to member countries. They have no not police powers, jails, courts etc. 
 
But it sounds to me like he brought up the issue voluntarily with a Thai embassy or immigration, so perhaps that is how they fond out.
 
Being convicted of a crime difines as anything other than petty or due to negligence in any country bars you from entry into Thailand, though since they have no database access to other countries, this is not yet enforceable. Not yet.
 
 
"According to the Immigration Act of Thailand B.E. 2522 (1979), foreigners who fall into any of the following categories are prohibited to enter Thailand:
 
(6)  Having been imprisoned by judgment of the Thai Court; or by lawful injunction or judgment of the Court of a foreign country, except for when the penalty is for a petty offence, or negligence, or is provided for as an exception by the Ministerial Regulations."
 
http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/123/15405-General-information.html
 
As already suggested, your only recourse is to contact a Thai immigration lawyer to find out what the problem is. But if your conviction is not a "petty" offence or due to negligence, and it is known to the Thai government, then there is likely nothing you can do. 

Its true crimes getting outdated.

Same in my country Poland

And poland for serious crimes and runners issues international arrest warrants. Meant u get arrested when crossing borders. Im sure it works in EU. Not sure if globally...


U get that for murder...

[NomadJoe]

 

 

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

 
Not ok.
 
Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

Yes there is

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=international+arrest+warrant&rlz=1Y3GQQX_plTH553TH553&oq=international+arrest&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.13535j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

 

 

Please explain which one of those search results you thought proved there is such a thing as an international warrant. 

[mataleo]

 

 

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

 
Not ok.
 
Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

Yes there is

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=international+arrest+warrant&rlz=1Y3GQQX_plTH553TH553&oq=international+arrest&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.13535j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8
 

 
Please explain which one of those search results you thought proved there is such a thing as an international warrant. 

Here its in polish it says ENA

european arrest warant

http://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europejski_nakaz_aresztowania

[dutchisaan]

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

 
Not ok.
 
Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

Yes there is

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=international+arrest+warrant&rlz=1Y3GQQX_plTH553TH553&oq=international+arrest&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.13535j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

I understand what you are saying, however please link to a wesite and not to google search. Believe it or not, but most people can use google.


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[mataleo]

 

 

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

 
Not ok.
 
Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

Yes there is

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=international+arrest+warrant&rlz=1Y3GQQX_plTH553TH553&oq=international+arrest&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.13535j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8
 

 
Please explain which one of those search results you thought proved there is such a thing as an international warrant. 

And from Interpol

An Interpol Red Notice is the closest instrument to an international arrest warrant in use today. Interpol (the International Criminal Police Organization) circulates notices to member countries listing persons who are wanted for extradition. The names of persons listed in the notices are placed on lookout lists (e.g., NCIC or its foreign counterpart). When a person whose name is listed comes to the attention of the police abroad, the country that sought the listing is notified through Interpol and can request either his provisional arrest (if there is urgency) or can file a formal request for extradition.

Please be aware that if a Red Notice is issued, the prosecutor's office is obligated to do whatever work is required to produce the necessary extradition documents within the time limits prescribed by the controlling extradition treaty whenever and wherever the fugitive is arrested.

[sustento]

The European Arrest Warrant is a warrant valid throughout the member states of the EU.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant

[mataleo]

Being convicted in belgium should be ok

I would check for some international warrant. .

 
Not ok.
 
Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

Yes there is

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=international+arrest+warrant&rlz=1Y3GQQX_plTH553TH553&oq=international+arrest&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.13535j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

I understand what you are saying, however please link to a wesite and not to google search. Believe it or not, but most people can use google.


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Ok above

Theres is EU warrant

And Interpol Red Notice http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice

[stevenl]

 

An Interpol Red Notice is the closest instrument to an international arrest warrant in use today.

In other words: there is no such thing as an international arrest warrant, but the Interpol Red Notice is the thing that looks most like it.

[NomadJoe]

 

 

 

Not ok.
 
Also, there is no such thing as an international warrant.

Yes there is

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=international+arrest+warrant&rlz=1Y3GQQX_plTH553TH553&oq=international+arrest&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.13535j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

 

I understand what you are saying, however please link to a wesite and not to google search. Believe it or not, but most people can use google.


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Ok above

Theres is EU warrant

And Interpol Red Notice http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice

 

 
Yep. neither of which are international warrants. An EU warrant is no more an "international warrant" than an EU drivers license is an "international license." It's enforceable only in the EU.
 
Red notice....it's right in your description...is the closest thing to...ie it's not. It caries zero legal weight. It's information sharing only. As I said before, a red notice is nothing more than a notice given to INTERPOL member states that a person is wanted in another contracting state. The two states still have to have extradition agreements and undergo the formal extradition process.

[metisdead]

A trolling nonsense post has been removed as well as a reply.

[paz]

  

Red notice....it's right in your description...is the closest thing to...ie it's not. It caries zero legal weight. It's information sharing only. As I said before, a red notice is nothing more than a notice given to INTERPOL member states that a person is wanted in another contracting state. The two states still have to have extradition agreements and undergo the formal extradition process.

 

Correct. The thing is that while they do that, the subject is detained, can be expelled straight back to the country with the warrant, be placed on blacklist.

Same practical effects as being arrested. An Interpol notice is quite effective, even in Thailand.

 

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/thailand/120331/mafia-boss-vito-roberto-palazzolo-arrested-thailand

 

Wanted in Italy, arrested in Thailand. 

[Soutpeel]

Yep. neither of which are international warrants. An EU warrant is no more an "international warrant" than an EU drivers license is an "international license." It's enforceable only in the EU.

so your suggesting someone travelling from say the UK to Greece for example is not travelling internationally ? 

 

the an EU warrant is most certainly "international" but not worldwide, which I believe the maybe closer to what your definition of "international" is