Mass reshuffle in Royal Forest Department

[Lite Beer]

Mass reshuffle in Royal Forest Department

 

BANGKOK: -- The Royal Forest Department has ordered a major reshuffle that saw 30 directors of forestry offices in charge of forest areas rampantly encroached and occupied by influential people for commercial purposes removed to positions not directly involve with forest conservation and protection.

 

The mass shakeup following complaints of forest encroachments, destruction for commercial purposes in various forest reserves that has denuded the country’s once rich forest areas to critical level during the past several decades.

Significant and rampant encroachment of forest land are in Muak Lek district of Sraburi, Pak Chong district of Nakhon Ratchasima,

The National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) has declared one of its urgent and significant task is to crack down on encroachment by influential people on forest reserves to build resorts for personal and commercial purposes.

It vowed to retake the illegally occupied forest land to the people and punish all involved, including corrupted officials who helped to falsify documents to enable influential people to occupy forest land illegitimately.

The mass reshuffle was ordered by director-general of the Royal Forest Department Mr Thirapat Prayoonsiton August 8.

Of the 30 senior forestry officials transferred is Mr Amnart Soikiew.

He was transferred from the 12th Forestry Management Office in Krabi to the Community Forest Office.

He was accused of helping to facilitate the issuance of land ownership documents in Sirinart marine national park to influential people to build resorts on the hilly island overlooking the sea

Others who were moved were those who were in charge of forest reserves in Mae Hong Son, Chiang Mai, Tak, Nakhon Sawan, Prachinburi, Ubon Ratchathani, Ratchaburi, Phetburi, Phrae, Phitsanulok, Krabi, Phang Nga, and Phuket.

Mr Thirapat said another mass reshuffle involving 20 senior forestry officials would be announced August 15.

 

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/mass-reshuffle-royal-forest-department/

 

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[worgeordie]

Shuffle the pack,but does it achieve anything ?

regards Worgeordie

[ChrisY1]

Shuffle the pack,but does it achieve anything ?

regards Worgeordie

 

Not really.....the queens are always on the bottom!!

[96tehtarp]

"removed to positions not directly involve with forest conservation and protection."

 

Does this mean they have been transferred to inactive positions?

 

Is this good enough?

[h90]

Shuffle the pack,but does it achieve anything ?

regards Worgeordie

 

I do see some point....putting them into positions where they can't do harm.

 

But the think would be, fire them and seize their money. That there is no law for that is no excuse....dear general please make such a law....

[dddave]

In almost all nations, including Thailand, civil Service laws make it very difficult to summarily fire unelected public officials without due process.  The  lynch mob mentality exhibited by some of the previous posters is fair example of why such laws are necessary.

 

What is wrong with removing them from their posts, immediately taking any power they have to continue their corrupt practices away from them and let the legal process take it's course? 

Edited August 9, 2014 by dddave

[sweatalot]

In almost all nations, including Thailand, civil Service laws make it very difficult to summarily fire unelected public officials without due process.  The  lynch mob mentality exhibited by some of the previous posters is fair example of why such laws are necessary.

 

What is wrong with removing them from their posts, immediately taking any power they have to continue their corrupt practices away from them and let the legal process take it's course? 

 

"let the legal process take it's course"

 

That's what should be happening. Hopefully it will.

 

From inactive post to prison, for those who deserve that by law. And as fast as possible, please.

Edited August 9, 2014 by sweatalot

[NeilSA1]

 

Shuffle the pack,but does it achieve anything ?

regards Worgeordie

 

Not really.....the queens are always on the bottom!!

 

... and the 4kings on the top?

[Arkady]

Shuffle the pack,but does it achieve anything ?
regards Worgeordie

 
I do see some point....putting them into positions where they can't do harm.
 
But the think would be, fire them and seize their money. That there is no law for that is no excuse....dear general please make such a law....

They are transferred to inactive positions where they cannot make anything over and above their civil service salaries.


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[noitom]

The crimes that they committed and damage that they's done is waived, and they are transferred to inactive posts so they can't do it again.

[FangFerang]

Strange...no reshuffle from Koh Samui....very strange....

[chainarong]

If they are trying to get rid of the dead wood , Thailand will be a desert in no time.

[tubby johnson]

The Ministry of Inactive Posts urgently needs to move to a larger building due to overcrowding. :rolleyes:

My landlord is director of one of the national parks mentioned in the article. If he ends up in prison, who do I pay my rent to?

[Local Drunk]

The Ministry of Inactive Posts urgently needs to move to a larger building due to overcrowding.

My landlord is director of one of the national parks mentioned in the article. If he ends up in prison, who do I pay my rent to?

 

I'm not saying that I know anything about your living accommodations, but it would be of some interest to know how the civil servant you mentioned acquired the funds to develop real estate.  

 

:) 

[h90]

 

 

Shuffle the pack,but does it achieve anything ?
regards Worgeordie

 
I do see some point....putting them into positions where they can't do harm.
 
But the think would be, fire them and seize their money. That there is no law for that is no excuse....dear general please make such a law....

They are transferred to inactive positions where they cannot make anything over and above their civil service salaries.


Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

 

 

The article doesn't say "inactive" position.
 

[craigt3365]

They do say this, so hopefully prosecutions will follow.  But it will take time:

 

It vowed to retake the illegally occupied forest land to the people and punish all involved, including corrupted officials who helped to falsify documents to enable influential people to occupy forest land illegitimately.

 

 

As far as Samui, they say more will be announced next week.  Fantastic news.  As mentioned above, just making them survive on their normal salaries is penalty enough!  As I"m sure many paid for their positions...but prison terms for some would be great.

[ginjag]

They do say this, so hopefully prosecutions will follow.  But it will take time:

 

It vowed to retake the illegally occupied forest land to the people and punish all involved, including corrupted officials who helped to falsify documents to enable influential people to occupy forest land illegitimately.

 

 

As far as Samui, they say more will be announced next week.  Fantastic news.  As mentioned above, just making them survive on their normal salaries is penalty enough!  As I"m sure many paid for their positions...but prison terms for some would be great.

 

Good post, just to add who cares about a little media stifling when things like this are on the go.  I love it  If before they cared so much about the poor people ,then why didn't they give them some of the Samui/Phuket/N.Park  land ??     Greedy Hi Sos, A clan to it's self.

[Tatsujin]

Again, stop with all this "moving" to other positions bullshit . . . if they broke the law or did something wrong, sack them and deny them their pensions.

 

Moving people to "inactive posts" does nothing at all to dissuade people from doing things illegally, it's the equivalent of a very soft slap on the wrist and told you've been a bad boy. Pathetic.

[craigt3365]

 

They do say this, so hopefully prosecutions will follow.  But it will take time:

 

It vowed to retake the illegally occupied forest land to the people and punish all involved, including corrupted officials who helped to falsify documents to enable influential people to occupy forest land illegitimately.

 

 

As far as Samui, they say more will be announced next week.  Fantastic news.  As mentioned above, just making them survive on their normal salaries is penalty enough!  As I"m sure many paid for their positions...but prison terms for some would be great.

 

Good post, just to add who cares about a little media stifling when things like this are on the go.  I love it  If before they cared so much about the poor people ,then why didn't they give them some of the Samui/Phuket/N.Park  land ??     Greedy Hi Sos, A clan to it's self.

 

"influential" people and powerful government officials have an air of impunity about them.  And for good reason.  For many years you could do just about whatever you wanted.  Just pay off the right people and you are untouchable.  Hopefully, this is now changing.

[ginjag]

Again, stop with all this "moving" to other positions bullshit . . . if they broke the law or did something wrong, sack them and deny them their pensions.

 

Moving people to "inactive posts" does nothing at all to dissuade people from doing things illegally, it's the equivalent of a very soft slap on the wrist and told you've been a bad boy. Pathetic.

 

Over the years I have posted on these lines.

 

This INACTIVE position should not exist.  No way anyone should be given a sideways move if they are guilty of crime in the workplace.  THE SACK is the only way.   This will lead to immediate halt to the workplace illegalities.  Or the resignations of past guilty personnel.  Message--clear them out. Make them work on the hillsides planting missing saplings.

[ginjag]

 

 

They do say this, so hopefully prosecutions will follow.  But it will take time:

 

It vowed to retake the illegally occupied forest land to the people and punish all involved, including corrupted officials who helped to falsify documents to enable influential people to occupy forest land illegitimately.

 

 

As far as Samui, they say more will be announced next week.  Fantastic news.  As mentioned above, just making them survive on their normal salaries is penalty enough!  As I"m sure many paid for their positions...but prison terms for some would be great.

 

Good post, just to add who cares about a little media stifling when things like this are on the go.  I love it  If before they cared so much about the poor people ,then why didn't they give them some of the Samui/Phuket/N.Park  land ??     Greedy Hi Sos, A clan to it's self.

 

"influential" people and powerful government officials have an air of impunity about them.  And for good reason.  For many years you could do just about whatever you wanted.  Just pay off the right people and you are untouchable.  Hopefully, this is now changing.

 

 

#20 should explain a bit of that.

[Dibbler]

Redistributing the contaminated goods to previously clean forestry offices is not a formula for reform!  Corrupt people should be fired from government service not maintained in inactive posts to fester and cause further contamination.

[ironbark]

Again, stop with all this "moving" to other positions bullshit . . . if they broke the law or did something wrong, sack them and deny them their pensions.
 
Moving people to "inactive posts" does nothing at all to dissuade people from doing things illegally, it's the equivalent of a very soft slap on the wrist and told you've been a bad boy. Pathetic.

Even in Thailand corrupt officials have a right to "assumption of innocence" while their case is being investigated.

Suspended from duties or moved to an inactive post is the correct and fair thing to do.

But it is now on the NCPO to properly investigate and prosecute of warranted. That's when I will believe they are being fair dinkum.

[shanahan]

Huge credit should be given to the NCPO for the flying start they have already made in such a short time. I am so encouraged by their efforts and achievements so far. Just hoping it intensifies and doesn't subside. 

[Tatsujin]

Again, stop with all this "moving" to other positions bullshit . . . if they broke the law or did something wrong, sack them and deny them their pensions.
 
Moving people to "inactive posts" does nothing at all to dissuade people from doing things illegally, it's the equivalent of a very soft slap on the wrist and told you've been a bad boy. Pathetic.

Even in Thailand corrupt officials have a right to "assumption of innocence" while their case is being investigated.

Suspended from duties or moved to an inactive post is the correct and fair thing to do.

But it is now on the NCPO to properly investigate and prosecute of warranted. That's when I will believe they are being fair dinkum.

Being moved to an inactive post IS the punishment in most cases with no further action or investigation taken.

[spidermike007]

This is a good start. But, it should be accompanied by massive fines, and long prison terms. Defiling national forest should be a very serious offense, and it should not be treated with a little slap on the wrist, and a transfer to another paid position. Tremendous shame should be heaped upon the families of these men. Total loss of face is justified in this case. Ritual suicides by small men that have been shamed into submission, after their lives have been ruined. And mass apologies. There are few crimes as heinous as selling park land for profit. It is a crime against the state. 

[tubby johnson]

I would love an inactive post. How do I apply?

Imagine sitting in a vast office filled with hundreds of Thai people playing Grand Theft Auto, flirting online, reading comics or picking their noses. And getting paid. Heaven!

[sweatalot]

 

 

Again, stop with all this "moving" to other positions bullshit . . . if they broke the law or did something wrong, sack them and deny them their pensions.
 
Moving people to "inactive posts" does nothing at all to dissuade people from doing things illegally, it's the equivalent of a very soft slap on the wrist and told you've been a bad boy. Pathetic.

Even in Thailand corrupt officials have a right to "assumption of innocence" while their case is being investigated.

Suspended from duties or moved to an inactive post is the correct and fair thing to do.

But it is now on the NCPO to properly investigate and prosecute of warranted. That's when I will believe they are being fair dinkum.

Being moved to an inactive post IS the punishment in most cases with no further action or investigation taken.

 

 

Unfortunately this is not clear.

I did not find any information if proper criminal investigations are done.

I  guess that even if everybody knows that unlegal behavior took place it does not mean that proof is immediately available.

In this case IMHO the proper action would be a) move to an inactive post and b) immediately start criminal investigation

if c) there is proof sack and arrest until court trial

 

a) has been done - now what about b) and c) ?
 

[lovetotravel]

I would love an inactive post. How do I apply?

Imagine sitting in a vast office filled with hundreds of Thai people playing Grand Theft Auto, flirting online, reading comics or picking their noses. And getting paid. Heaven!

 

 

A few months ago a member posted about these inactive posts.  He said it's a huge embarrassment for the official involved.  They are given a bare desk with nothing on it.  They have to show up every day at 8am, take lunch at a designated time, and can't leave until 5pm.  All the while everybody is working around them and watching them.  I'd be bored to death after only 1 day.

 

No jaunts to the beach for a free lunch.  No early afternoons off to go drinking.  No overnight trips with your mia noi to resorts with costs being paid for by the country.  And worse, no under the table money.  Huge loss of income.

[bobmac10]

too late! It's all gone