webfact Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Switzerland: Number of "suicide tourists" doubled in three yearsZURCIH: -- British people are the second biggest group of “suicide tourists”, according to a new study, which shows that the number of people traveling to assisted dying clinics in Switzerland has doubled in three years.More than 600 people traveled to Switzerland for help taking their own lives between 2008 and 2012, at one of four clinics which permit non-Swiss nationals. The annual number of so-called suicide tourists doubled between 2009 and 2012, according to research carried out by the University of Zurich.Despite attempts to change the law in the country, assisted dying clinics can operate legally in Switzerland, and have attracted large numbers of people with terminal illnesses and debilitating medical conditions, from other European countries where euthanasia is illegal.The new analysis of the phenomenon reveals that 126 UK nationals were helped to die between 2008 and 2012 – making it the country with largest number of suicide tourists after Germany. One in three people who were helped to die were suffering from more than one condition, the researchers said, with neurological conditions the most common reason for seeking euthanasia, followed by cancer and rheumatic diseases, which are conditions of the joints and muscles.Full story: http://www.eturbonews.com/49330/switzerland-number-suicide-tourists-doubled-three-years-- eTN 2014-08-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daoyai Posted August 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) The airlines should get on this and offer a special roundtrip fare, arrive in business class, return in cargo. Edited August 21, 2014 by daoyai 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Cheaper to come to Thailand and do a condo jump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post waynethor Posted August 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Don't believe in euthanasia. It's a slippery slope that soon encroaches on who deserves to die. So, yes, I'll continue to ridicule this idea. Edited August 21, 2014 by zydeco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I have all sympathy and admiration for people who don't want to sit around suffering in pain waiting to die. Although if I'm ever in that situation I'd probably organise a big party and then top the night off with a BJ and a handful of pills. But I was just wondering what they put on their immigration card as "Reason for visiting", because unless they're honest it must really pish off Swiss immigration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chicog Posted August 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Don't believe in euthanasia. It's a slippery slope that soon encroaches on who deserves to die. So, yes, I'll continue to ridicule this idea. What a load of rubbish. The decision should be with the person who is ending their own life. I can understand the need for medical approval in the case of mental illness, but if someone is riddled and terminal with cancer it should be no-one else's bloody business. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Don't believe in euthanasia. It's a slippery slope that soon encroaches on who deserves to die. So, yes, I'll continue to ridicule this idea. imo, it's not a matter of belief, but a matter of self determination (which finishes in the termination of self - a most awful pun and not at all classy!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Cheaper to come to Thailand and do a condo jump. The TV news email headline made me think that was what it was about............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Posted August 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2014 I have all sympathy and admiration for people who don't want to sit around suffering in pain waiting to die. Although if I'm ever in that situation I'd probably organise a big party and then top the night off with a BJ and a handful of pills. But I was just wondering what they put on their immigration card as "Reason for visiting", because unless they're honest it must really pish off Swiss immigration. I am with you on this one Chicog, but a handful of pills can often cause convulsions and vomiting. I think I want to have a little bit of assistance to get it right. It's not something I'd want to screw up. I like the idea of a big party though. I'd sure feel bad if they had one after I was gone. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The airlines should get on this and offer a special roundtrip fare, arrive in business class, return in cargo. Many would be cremated and return in carry on luggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Don't believe in euthanasia. It's a slippery slope that soon encroaches on who deserves to die. So, yes, I'll continue to ridicule this idea. What a load of rubbish. The decision should be with the person who is ending their own life. I can understand the need for medical approval in the case of mental illness, but if someone is riddled and terminal with cancer it should be no-one else's bloody business. Yes, problem is there is so much money beign made by the life extenders. Even worse are the ones that don't want you to take pain killers as you are dying, you may get hooked or it is bad for your health. Total crap by government and religious zealots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 why is it not legal in other countries? should be choice if you want to go clean and not by hanging, jumping - aka pattaya condo falling, medicines ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yann55 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Hello Wayne. Last time I made a comment similar to yours (about a similar situation) I got some very pissed off replies and was told to 'get a life', because posters were just reacting spontaneously and what was wrong with that ? You will probably get your share of aggressive reactions too. I didn't start bickering back and forth because it's not my style, but if someone tells you to 'get a life' I suggest you tell them to 'get a conscience'. Edited August 21, 2014 by Yann55 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrahamzvi Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Don't believe in euthanasia. It's a slippery slope that soon encroaches on who deserves to die. So, yes, I'll continue to ridicule this idea. It is your personal view and your personal right to believe or otherwise in euthanasia. However, does this give you the right to ridicule the suffering of people who wish to die rather than bear unbearable pain, physical and/or mental? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mosha Posted August 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2014 Funny old world. You are expected nay required to put a suffering pet out of it's misery. Offer the same service to a terminally ill relative and it's off to court you go. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Funny old world. You are expected nay required to put a suffering pet out of it's misery. Offer the same service to a terminally ill relative and it's off to court you go. Yet ironically they refer to the former as a "humane" act. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveller45 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Cheaper to come to Thailand and do a condo jump. It's not a joking topic really, but I fear that most of that particular target group are not in a condition anymore to do much jumping of their own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandtee Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Brits are dying to go to Switzerland! I await the furor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Watcher Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 better to laugh than cry ?(And it is a Natural psychological protection against - bad stuff...) I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 And when your national health system begins providing "counselors" to advise terminally ill patients (OR patients whose quality of life is permanently affected)?? ...patients perhaps currently on very costly "maintenance regimens". 'Seems to me there's a very fine line there between providing "information" and providing "advice"... And what factors will actually be driving any "advice"... And for that matter, what "information" will they actually be getting? The issue of whether or not to allow the ending of one's own life gets considerably more complicated and problematic once healthcare companies and government, who after all are continuously making resource allocation determinations, is involved. Even the patient's own doctor comes to it with a possible conflict of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I wonder if Thailand will jump on this tourism idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABCer Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) I have all sympathy and admiration for people who don't want to sit around suffering in pain waiting to die. Although if I'm ever in that situation I'd probably organise a big party and then top the night off with a BJ and a handful of pills. But I was just wondering what they put on their immigration card as "Reason for visiting", because unless they're honest it must really pish off Swiss immigration. I am with you on this one Chicog, but a handful of pills can often cause convulsions and vomiting. I think I want to have a little bit of assistance to get it right. It's not something I'd want to screw up. I like the idea of a big party though. I'd sure feel bad if they had one after I was gone. A rare case - I agree with Chicoq. What is wrong with biting a bullet? Or the thought of using illegal weapon will sour your last moment? And one more thing. To our moralists here: you live your life taking it seriously therefore can't understand people laughing at death. What a miserable life AND death! Make love, not war. Crack a joke, not moralize. Smile instead of frown. Edited August 22, 2014 by ABCer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Don't believe in euthanasia. It's a slippery slope that soon encroaches on who deserves to die. So, yes, I'll continue to ridicule this idea. What a load of rubbish. The decision should be with the person who is ending their own life. I can understand the need for medical approval in the case of mental illness, but if someone is riddled and terminal with cancer it should be no-one else's bloody business. A work mate died screaming his friends told me. The hospital just not give him enough medication. Everyone should have the right to die with dignity, at a time of their choosing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ulysses G. Posted August 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 I have all sympathy and admiration for people who don't want to sit around suffering in pain waiting to die. Although if I'm ever in that situation I'd probably organise a big party and then top the night off with a BJ and a handful of pills. But I was just wondering what they put on their immigration card as "Reason for visiting", because unless they're honest it must really pish off Swiss immigration. I am with you on this one Chicog, but a handful of pills can often cause convulsions and vomiting. I think I want to have a little bit of assistance to get it right. It's not something I'd want to screw up. I like the idea of a big party though. I'd sure feel bad if they had one after I was gone. A rare case - I agree with Chicoq. Add me to the list. It is pretty easy to screw up self-deliverance without a doctors help and end up even worse off. I think that it should be legal everywhere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I have all sympathy and admiration for people who don't want to sit around suffering in pain waiting to die. Although if I'm ever in that situation I'd probably organise a big party and then top the night off with a BJ and a handful of pills. But I was just wondering what they put on their immigration card as "Reason for visiting", because unless they're honest it must really pish off Swiss immigration. I am with you on this one Chicog, but a handful of pills can often cause convulsions and vomiting. I think I want to have a little bit of assistance to get it right. It's not something I'd want to screw up. I like the idea of a big party though. I'd sure feel bad if they had one after I was gone. A rare case - I agree with Chicoq. Add me to the list. It is pretty easy to screw up self-deliverance without a doctors help and end up even worse off. I think that it should be legal everywhere. ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? yes,but there just aren't enough tissues to go round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionluke Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 A family friend , with a debilitating disease, saved up his morphine patches and stuck them all on at once and so died of an overdose , alone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I find it hard to believe that anybody would make jokes about this. Can you not imagine or feel any sympathy for the suffering that people must go through to make such a decision? Nope...and no sympathy from any religion for that matter... There is a good chance if I was terminally ill, in alot of pain, and suffering daily, with no chance of recovery, that I would visit one of these clinics too. With the consent of my family, of course. It does seem like a dignified way to go out. Who cares if religion agrees? Religion does not agree with contraception either, and is partly responsible for families with 10 to 20 children. As was famously uttered in True Detective, about religion and more specifically about those that teach religion: Transference of fear and self loathing to an authoritarian vessel is catharsis. He absorbs their dread with his narrative. Because of this, he is effective in proportion to the amount of certainty he can project. Certain linguistic anthropologists think that religion is a language virus, that rewrites pathways in the brain, and dulls critical thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Any British citizens found fighting for ISIS should be diverted to Switzerland, no need to return the body either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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