Should children living here have a yearly flu vaccine?

[Pattaya Pat]

Every year my wife gets a flu vaccine for our daughter and every year it causes a row as I'm sure it is not needed and it is just a ploy from the hospital to extract more money out of you. They tell her that our daughter should have it done and of course she just meekly agrees. There goes another thousand baht in the hospital coffers..

Or, am I wrong? I've always believe that flu vaccines are only for old people and/or if you live in a cold country and the winter is approaching?

Thanks.

[sirocco]

hello

Think again, vaccines against the flu are for everyone, but especially for children and seniors.

I caught two flus in Thailand, which they left me in bed eight days and one month patraque.

[Pattaya Pat]

hello

Think again, vaccines against the flu are for everyone, but especially for children and seniors.

I caught two flus in Thailand, which they left me in bed eight days and one month patraque.

8 days in bed sounds like heaven

We never had flu vaccines when we were kids, so sorry but not convinced. Thanks anyway.

[Bernard Flint]

Flu injections REDUCE the risk of a serious bout of flu. I understand they are available soon or now, will go to a clinic for mine, about 350 baht

[sirocco]

Me neither, I've never been vaccinated, and I would never vaccinate me, this is my adult choice, but do not say that there is no influenza in Thailand.

Now it's up to you to your child. 350 baht per year, huh !!!

[Tolley]

There are so many varieties of flu how would you know which one to vaccinate against.

Really only should be for old people or those with compromised immune systems.

[Pattaya Pat]

Me neither, I've never been vaccinated, and I would never vaccinate me, this is my adult choice, but do not say that there is no influenza in Thailand.

Now it's up to you to your child. 350 baht per year, huh !!!

More like 1000 baht.

Scammed again..

[Pattaya Pat]

There are so many varieties of flu how would you know which one to vaccinate against.

Really only should be for old people or those with compromised immune systems.

As I suspected, The thing is the wife will do what ever the doc suggests and when I tell her it's not needed she simply will not accept it and just ends up in yet another row..

[lopburi3]

The flu vaccine is designed for everyone's protection and is highly effective - it is less so for elderly (but still worthwhile) and special stronger version is made. It is highly recommended.

The normal shot protects against the three forms that are expected to be the most problem in any given year (it changes almost yearly). They now market a four version also in some areas.

[Sheryl]

As above.

But if your children are under the age of 12 they can get this through the public system for free, no need to pay for it.

That the government has decided to provide it free of charge to specific high risk (of which school children are one) should tell you something about its value/importance.

BTW it protects not only your kids but also helps protect the rest of the family. Bugs pass through schools like lightening and school children are often the portal through which a whole family gets infected. Of course, you might still pick up the flu fro elsewhere, but you are very likely to get it if your kids do.

[Tolley]

The flu vaccine is designed for everyone's protection and is highly effective - it is less so for elderly (but still worthwhile) and special stronger version is made. It is highly recommended.

The normal shot protects against the three forms that are expected to be the most problem in any given year (it changes almost yearly). They now market a four version also in some areas.

Flu vaccines can carry some unnecessary risks. Some were taken off the market for young kids a few years ago in Australia when quite a number of children got bad reactions from them.

They also suppress your own immune system.

And I know of people who got flu vaccines who still got the flu so go figure.

[h90]

The flu vaccine is designed for everyone's protection and is highly effective - it is less so for elderly (but still worthwhile) and special stronger version is made. It is highly recommended.

The normal shot protects against the three forms that are expected to be the most problem in any given year (it changes almost yearly). They now market a four version also in some areas.

Flu vaccines can carry some unnecessary risks. Some were taken off the market for young kids a few years ago in Australia when quite a number of children got bad reactions from them.

They also suppress your own immune system.

And I know of people who got flu vaccines who still got the flu so go figure.

I never understood the point of flu vaccine for healthy young people.

You get the flu, you fight it off, your immune system got some exercise....finish.

I understand vaccination against polio but what is the point of vaccination against flu?

[lopburi3]

You also have risk of death if unlucky and pass on the flu to countless others putting there lives at risk. As said above it will likely the the parents of these children that are most at risk.

In the USA, where flu shots are given to most people, there were still below deaths - without shots it would have been much more. Not everybody is able to fight off such attacks - it makes sense to use what extra is available - and flu shots have been proven over many decades.

CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.

[inbangkok]

You are wrong and your wife is smarter than you. A flu shot costs 100 baht at the government hospital. If you are so conspiratorial to believe it is about the hospital making more money.....well like I said, be grateful your wife is more rational.

As for your statement, "We never had flu vaccines when we were kids, so sorry but not convinced. Thanks anyway." Well, better not vaccinate your kid with the chicken pox vaccine either then.....cause you know....never had it when you were a kid.

Kids can die from the flu....proven fact. Straight negligence not to vaccinate your kids in this day and age. Time to step aside and start letting the wife make the medical decisions for the family.

I am stunned by some of the ignorant comments posted on this thread......

[h90]

You also have risk of death if unlucky and pass on the flu to countless others putting there lives at risk. As said above it will likely the the parents of these children that are most at risk.

In the USA, where flu shots are given to most people, there were still below deaths - without shots it would have been much more. Not everybody is able to fight off such attacks - it makes sense to use what extra is available - and flu shots have been proven over many decades.

CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.

Well in all my life I never heard a single case of someone (beside maybe some very old people) dieing of flu. While I heard hundreds of stories of people dying......cancer, accidents, strokes, shock, etc etc but not flu

[inbangkok]

You also have risk of death if unlucky and pass on the flu to countless others putting there lives at risk. As said above it will likely the the parents of these children that are most at risk.

In the USA, where flu shots are given to most people, there were still below deaths - without shots it would have been much more. Not everybody is able to fight off such attacks - it makes sense to use what extra is available - and flu shots have been proven over many decades.

CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.

Well in all my life I never heard a single case of someone (beside maybe some very old people) dieing of flu. While I heard hundreds of stories of people dying......cancer, accidents, strokes, shock, etc etc but not flu

Just because you have never heard of something does not mean it is not true......

[Pattaya Pat]

You are wrong and your wife is smarter than you. A flu shot costs 100 baht at the government hospital. If you are so conspiratorial to believe it is about the hospital making more money.....well like I said, be grateful your wife is more rational.

As for your statement, "We never had flu vaccines when we were kids, so sorry but not convinced. Thanks anyway." Well, better not vaccinate your kid with the chicken pox vaccine either then.....cause you know....never had it when you were a kid.

Kids can die from the flu....proven fact. Straight negligence not to vaccinate your kids in this day and age. Time to step aside and start letting the wife make the medical decisions for the family.

I am stunned by some of the ignorant comments posted on this thread......

Haha, nice passion.

Thanks for your OPINION. And of course she is smarter than me, I still can't change a lightbulb.

[inbangkok]

You are wrong and your wife is smarter than you. A flu shot costs 100 baht at the government hospital. If you are so conspiratorial to believe it is about the hospital making more money.....well like I said, be grateful your wife is more rational.

As for your statement, "We never had flu vaccines when we were kids, so sorry but not convinced. Thanks anyway." Well, better not vaccinate your kid with the chicken pox vaccine either then.....cause you know....never had it when you were a kid.

Kids can die from the flu....proven fact. Straight negligence not to vaccinate your kids in this day and age. Time to step aside and start letting the wife make the medical decisions for the family.

I am stunned by some of the ignorant comments posted on this thread......

Haha, nice passion.

Thanks for your OPINION. And of course she is smarter than me, I still can't change a lightbulb.

Not sure what part of my post was an "opinion"..... I was simply pointing out, by your logic, if you did not have something when you were a kid, no reason for your kid to have it (which is insane) . If everyone thought like that, major diseases and illnesses would never have been eradicated through vaccines.

[Zumteufel]

Back in the cold Europe, I got the flu twice a year. Here, twice in 6 years. I'd say it's a waste of money.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Well in all my life I never heard a single case of someone (beside maybe some very old people) dieing of flu. While I heard hundreds of stories of people dying......cancer, accidents, strokes, shock, etc etc but not flu

Spanish Flu in 1918, killed 5% of the world population, mainly affecting those aged 15-35.

It killed between 50 and 100 million people worldwide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

Edited September 2, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican

[fantom]

Flu is deadly. It remains deadly. Many people with a bad cold say they have 'flu,' they haven't, they have a cold.

Children are very vulnerable and if they get flu they become very sick indeed.

To the OP and others who are opposing flu vaccination in Thailand, please look up 'herd immunity,' it is not just about you.

[Jockey]

In my opinion children are given far too many vaccines which cause untold damange to their natural immune systems.

I hope this helps:

Every year, physicians recommend that people get flu shots to bolster their immune system and prevent getting the flu. The ideology behind flu vaccines is that humans are unable to adapt to their environment and must depend on modern technology to survive the seasons. Flu vaccines have been shown to be highly ineffective and toxic for human and animal use.

Vaccines are one of medicine's prized attempt to improve human performance. They use artificial laboratory derived medical technology to produce an immune response within the body in hopes it will lead to a long-term positive anti-body response. The American Medical Association is especially vigilant about requiring those they deem as immune compromised to get the flu shot. This includes infants and children, pregnant women and seniors.

The vaccine ideology is based on the belief that people are created with inferior immune systems that are unable to keep up with the demands of the environment and need modern technology in the form of man-made vaccine formulations in order to bolster immunity.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "The following substances are found in flu vaccines: aluminum, antibiotics, egg protein, formaldehyde, human aborted fetal apparatus (dead human tissue), monosodium glutamate (MSG), and thimerosol (mercury)."

Flu vaccines are directly linked to about a dozen cases of paralysis and brain damage each year. Many researchers believe these flu vaccine cocktails produce delayed reactions and long-term health consequences.

Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, a world-leading immunogeneticist, has extensively studied the effects of the flu vaccine on neurological health. The results of his research indicate that an individual has a 10-time greater chance of getting Alzheimer's disease after receiving five flu shots in the course of their life compared to individuals who have had zero to one shot in their lifetime.

Dr. Fudenberg and other researchers believe the increased risk of Alzheimer's is a result of the combination of mercury and aluminum within the flu vaccine. Individuals with poor blood sugar signaling and weakened anti-oxidant defense systems will bio-accumulate these heavy metals in areas of their brain with repeated vaccine and other environmental exposure.

Scientists take an educated guess

Flu vaccines offer no guarantee of protection due to the wide variety of viral flu strains. There is no single virus that causes the flu and there is no single flu vaccine that protects against all strains. Scientists take an educated guess as to what three of over 300 different flu viruses they expect to have the greatest virulence in the upcoming year. The vaccine is then formulated from these three viruses.

When you get the flu vaccine, your body produces antibodies to three specific strains of the virus. So you basically have a three out of 300 chance (one percent) of being vaccinated for the proper viral strain. Additionally, the viruses are always adapting and may change form by the time you are exposed.

Even if you are fortunate enough to receive a vaccine for the proper strain of virus, it will be useless if your body hasn't produced a full response (which takes two weeks) or if there is too much time (over three months) between vaccine and viral exposure. The virus may have adapted over time to create a structure the body fails to recognize.

The vaccine will also be useless if your body doesn't produce enough of a response or too damaging a response due to high levels of viral exposure and poor immune coordination. The immune system could be acting blindly due to high sugar intake, low vitamin D3 levels, damaged gut lining and upper cervical subluxations among other things.

Sources for this article include:

http://www.naturalnews.com

http://www.royalrife.com/flu_shots.html

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm



Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/037323_flu_vaccines_junk_science_toxicity.html#ixzz3C9HUqRrt

[fantom]

It is worth looking up why Dr Fudenberg's medical license was revoked

To the OP, please let your wife make her informed medical decisions regarding your children's health

[shaurene]

I have one each year in New Zealand and they work. I have a fever at the moment and bronchus but never had my flue jab this year.

The only thing I can see problems with in Thailand is they have a huge amount of stock of the old one that quite a number of countries have banned because of problems, I heard Thailand bought this banned one very cheap. They were banned in all Europe countries, New Zealand & Australia I would not have a Thai one.

You should be able to check this one out on Google. "flue injections banned (withdrawn"

[mike324]

once in a while is fine, but don't see a need to get it every year

[h90]

You also have risk of death if unlucky and pass on the flu to countless others putting there lives at risk. As said above it will likely the the parents of these children that are most at risk.

In the USA, where flu shots are given to most people, there were still below deaths - without shots it would have been much more. Not everybody is able to fight off such attacks - it makes sense to use what extra is available - and flu shots have been proven over many decades.

CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.

Well in all my life I never heard a single case of someone (beside maybe some very old people) dieing of flu. While I heard hundreds of stories of people dying......cancer, accidents, strokes, shock, etc etc but not flu

Just because you have never heard of something does not mean it is not true......

no but it means it is extremely rare.

[h90]

Well in all my life I never heard a single case of someone (beside maybe some very old people) dieing of flu. While I heard hundreds of stories of people dying......cancer, accidents, strokes, shock, etc etc but not flu

Spanish Flu in 1918, killed 5% of the world population, mainly affecting those aged 15-35.

It killed between 50 and 100 million people worldwide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

I agree we should vaccinate against the Spanish flu once it comes back.

[Tolley]

The flu vaccine is designed for everyone's protection and is highly effective - it is less so for elderly (but still worthwhile) and special stronger version is made. It is highly recommended.

The normal shot protects against the three forms that are expected to be the most problem in any given year (it changes almost yearly). They now market a four version also in some areas.

This Cochrane report doesn't share your enthusiasm.

Children (< 16 years old) and the elderly (above 65 years old) are the two age groups that appear to have the most complications following an influenza infection. Influenza has a viral origin and often results in an acute respiratory illness affecting the lower or upper parts of the respiratory tract, or both. Viruses are mainly of two subtypes (A or and spread periodically during the autumn-winter months. However, many other viruses can also cause respiratory tract illnesses. Diffusion and severity of the disease could be very different during different epidemics. Efforts to contain epidemic diffusion rely mainly on widespread vaccination. Recent policy from several internationally-recognised institutions, recommend immunisation of healthy children between 6 and 23 months of age (together with their contacts) as a public health measure. The review authors found that in children aged from two years, nasal spray vaccines made from weakened influenza viruses were better at preventing illness caused by the influenza virus than injected vaccines made from the killed virus. Neither type was particularly good at preventing 'flu-like illness' caused by other types of viruses. In children under the age of two, the efficacy of inactivated vaccine was similar to placebo. It was not possible to analyse the safety of vaccines from the studies due to the lack of standardisation in the information given, but very little information was found on the safety of inactivated vaccines, the most commonly used vaccine in young children. - See more at: http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD004879/ARI_vaccines-for-preventing-influenza-in-healthy-children#sthash.b072uCnW.dpuf

[wandasloan]

once in a while is fine, but don't see a need to get it every year

Even though the flu itself changes every year?

A poster above remarked on the amount of ignorance in this thread. He was about 10% right. Unbelievable. I think my favourite is the person who never heard of someone dying of the flu. Hundreds die every year of influenza, just in Thailand. There are regular threads on ThaiVisa about it. Remarkable ignorance in a world with Google.

I hope the OP's wife makes all medical decisions in that family. He sounds quite a dangerous husband.

Just because you have never heard of something does not mean it is not true......

no but it means it is extremely rare.

While you prepare to just leave this thread and stop beclowning yourself, read this about a terribly minor outbreak of "ordinary" flu in Thailand.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0054946

.

Edited September 2, 2014 by wandasloan

[h90]

once in a while is fine, but don't see a need to get it every year

Even though the flu itself changes every year?

A poster above remarked on the amount of ignorance in this thread. He was about 10% right. Unbelievable. I think my favourite is the person who never heard of someone dying of the flu. Hundreds die every year of influenza, just in Thailand. There are regular threads on ThaiVisa about it. Remarkable ignorance in a world with Google.

I hope the OP's wife makes all medical decisions in that family. He sounds quite a dangerous husband.

Just because you have never heard of something does not mean it is not true......

no but it means it is extremely rare.

While you prepare to just leave this thread and stop beclowning yourself, read this about a terribly minor outbreak of "ordinary" flu in Thailand.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0054946

.

Nothing against vaccination against such rare cases like here the "swine flu" which come every 10-20 years