Scientific study shows consuming artificial sweeteners (such as "diet" sodas) tends to backfire

[robblok]

Sure it comes from food where else would it come from. But really some vegetables.. some meat and you got a home cooked meal.

Tell me when you were young did your parents let you drink all the coca cola (or compatible) that you wanted or did you have to drink water and tea too ? Nowadays kids drink cola only.

Of course.....

Well we never had coke at home....orange juice or soda water. But they never tortured me with plain water or tea.....Which might be the reason that I like to drink it now.

They forced a few vegetables into me, but usually I ate pork, pizza, noodles and lots of cake......but all home made.....My mother even made the jam herself and never bought anything with any preservatives, artificial color or aroma in it. Not because she saw them as dangerous, because she saw them as unnecessary.

Coke was actually seen by almost everyone as unhealthy junk. Seems the marketing did a good work over the last decades....

I always had my veggies but pizza and pasta too.. home made (not the pizza). But coke and stuf was not widely used. I still like drinking tea actually anyway the point is that currently kids are drinking loads of the stuff and trying to eat at fastfood joints as much as possible. When I was younger it was considered a treat an exception not part of life.

[h90]

Which documentary? Do you mean FED UP? Highly recommend FED UP.

It was the weight of the nation, fed up bored me from the beginning with blaming modification foods and big agriculture. I stopped it quite quickly. Look I understand the need to blame outside sources just like Thais never go after Thais when something bad happens and blame it on foreigners. Its better to look outward as inward easier.

...

Oh. OK. The same old morality lectures and snarky insinuations. How tiresome and predictable. I have no interest in going over that again with you!

Anyway, people with an open mind who realize there are other factors at work that have caused the global obesity epidemic, worse in some countries than others, should really work through their "boredom" and watch Fed Up if they get the chance. Be clear that although a lot of it is specific to the USA that a lot of the food environment factors (for example hidden sugars everywhere) seen in the USA have indeed been EXPORTED to many other countries, including Thailand.

I think the marketing did good work.....When I was young a mother who ordered coke for her kid was regarded as bad mother. If you went to a McDonalds (when they came) you had some excuse (Normally I don't eat there but......). If you bought a deep frozen pizza other people gossiped about you are lazy and how poor the husband is of having such a careless wife, etc etc.

Now that has complete changed......That must been billions of marketing.

[Jingthing]

My childhood food:

Sugar cereals for breakfast

Special days ... waffles, pancakes, etc.

"Diet" sodas by the case ... Americans remember Tab ... I mean MASSIVE amounts ... many bottles daily ... funny to think about it now

(I guess earlier we did sugar sodas, but the Diet sodas were brought in when available and as a diet tool, ha ha)

School lunches ... processed food hell ...

Lots of "Wonder" bread ... not real bread of course, no fiber, lots of sugar

Potato Chips, Fritos, candy bars, etc.

Almost no vegetables ... my parents tried to push it but I refused

Lots of cheese

Lots of beef

I remember when the first McDonalds opened in my city ... yes, I liked it back then.

Yummy -- FRENCH FRIES!

Hungry ALL THE TIME ... even right after eating ... never satisfied

OK, I am older. This was another era.
When I was a kid my mother had a HUGE PLASTIC BOWL in the living room which was filled with cigarettes for social gatherings.

It was like a scene out of the t.v. show MAD MEN.

Yes I was obese starting from age 5. No mystery in that.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[robblok]

My childhood food:

Sugar cereals for breakfast

"Diet" sodas by the case ... Americans remember Tab ... I mean MASSIVE amounts ... funny to think about it now

School lunches ... processed food hell ...

Lots of "Wonder" bread ... not real bread of course, no fiber, lots of sugar

Potato Chips, Fritos, candy bars, etc.

Almost no vegetables ... my parents tried to push it but I refused

Lots of cheese

Lots of beef

I remember when the first McDonalds opened in my city ... yes, I liked it back then.

Yummy -- FRENCH FRIES!

Hungry ALL THE TIME ... even right after eating ... never satisfied

Yes I was obese starting from age 5. No mystery in that.

My school lunches where whole wheat sandwiches with meats or peanut butter. (was normal to bring your own lunch) (actually stayed normal quite long even going to work i took my own lunch)

Not saying i never got potato chips.. but parents made sure we never got too much... same with cookies and stuff.

Cheese / milk / beef / pork / chicken ate it all.

No shame in admitting you liked Mc D when i was young we wanted to eat there but parents just did not let us (was far away) we saw it (as kids) as the best you could get for burgers and french fries.

Never hungry actually but loved cookies and chips if my parents had not controlled it it would have been bad.

When i was 17 i joined a gym and started working out till about 25 or so when i started to work far from my home and did not have enough time. Wish I had known back then what i do now. The results i could have gotten (what foods are good how to eat ect). My real fat part came when i worked far from home and in Thailand. Childhood not real fat but not skinny like my brother. I was big build no belly or anything like that. At the gym I was in good shape but now better (the irony)

[robblok]

But seriously watching the documentary i felt sorry for the kids. I also realise that my situation back then was better as many parents were doing what my parents were doing controlling their kids what they ate and plenty of home cooked meals. Can you imagine trying to keep your kids on weight in a town where 60% are overweight. Can you imagine your kids going to friends and getting stuffed there. It would be a real toxic environment. As an adult you can try to help yourself (hard as others might find you weird for not wanting to get fat). But the kids are the most vulnerable.

[Keesters]

A new documentary called Fed Up looks into the topic of artificial sweeteners, and some of the information might be interesting to you. The documentary focuses mainly on the rapidly growing world-wide epidemic of child obesity but has information that may be helpful or interesting to anyone who struggles with their weight. I downloaded it using bit torrents, but it might available streamed.

Yes, you're right.

Fed Up did deal with this issue of artificial sugar promoting obesity as well as real sugar.

Of course probably 99 percent of people have no clue.

The MARKETING is so strong.

Fed Up is really VERY VERY GOOD and it should be seen by the masses anywhere in the world hit by the global obesity epidemic. Including Thailand.

It covers much of the same info as the BBC show -- THE MEN WHO MADE US FAT.

The myths that most people still believe (such as all calories are equal in how the body processes them -- that has been proven to be TOTALLY FALSE) and promoted and exploited by big corporate food companies are torn apart.

I read thru the muslis a few days ago. In my way of thinking that is fraud what they do.

A musli promoted as for getting slim and low fat, with a huge amount of sugar in it.

A musli promoted as without sugar which got plenty of sugar inside as "apple juice concentrate" or "grape juice concentrate" or other ways (that are tasteless concentrates which contains almost only sugar) to add sugar without declaring it.

Written in a 2 mm font.

Usually I am the last one who calls for new laws, but this is clearly cheating the silly and the people who forgot their glasses at home....

I find most food labelling confusing. They say "no sugar" when they mean "no added sugar". Almost everything, especially in Thailand, has some sugar in it. Nevertheless I've managed 7kg weight loss so far this year. Target is another 13 by end next year.

It is possible guys but takes a lot of self-control not to mention the exercise.

[Jingthing]

That's where obesity epidemics start ... with the kids. It is already known that the vast majority of obese children never shake their obesity for the rest of their life. So efforts, personal, familial, societal, corporate changes. governmental, regulations, etc. do need to be extra focused on PREVENTION of obesity in children in the first place.

[robblok]

That's where obesity epidemics start ... with the kids. It is already known that the vast majority of obese children never shake their obesity for the rest of their life. So efforts, personal, familial, societal, corporate changes. governmental, regulations, etc. do need to be extra focused on PREVENTION of obesity in children in the first place.

Of course it needs to be prevented, but how.

In that vid i saw the culture of those people it was based around food. How can you change something like that. Add the bad fast-food to that and you got a disaster but it starts by a food based culture.

I told you as an adult you can shield yourself.. but a kid a parent can control his / her kid so well only to have him overfed on parties and gatherings with other kids who are obese. I think the whole culture is wrong there and how to change that... good luck.

Big baskets of fried foods bigger meals ect ect. how can you fight that its not the companies only that promote it it come from those people themselves they see food as a reward and a way to keep kids quiet not having to give them attention.

[Jingthing]

FED UP proposes ideas on how to start to fight it.

[robblok]

FED UP proposes ideas on how to start to fight it.

I will look into it.. just found the start (of the documentary) not that interesting

[Jingthing]

FED UP proposes ideas on how to start to fight it.

I will look into it.. just found the start (of the documentary) not that interesting

You won't like it.

It is heavy on pushing for governmental and food industry changes in a MILITANT way.

The food environment, or "culture" as you put it, needs to be majorly adjusted.

It is not only about individuals, it is much bigger than that.

The theme is ... enough already ... TIME TO FIGHT BACK!

Michelle Obama and her "Let's Move" campaign is trashed as caving into the big food industry. Well deserved it seems.

Unlike your exercise emphasis, they strongly and in my opinion correctly put the focus mostly on FOOD.

If you eat the typical American processed food sugar diet, you could exercise day and night and it wouldn't help you.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[h90]

My childhood food:

Sugar cereals for breakfast

Special days ... waffles, pancakes, etc.

"Diet" sodas by the case ... Americans remember Tab ... I mean MASSIVE amounts ... many bottles daily ... funny to think about it now

(I guess earlier we did sugar sodas, but the Diet sodas were brought in when available and as a diet tool, ha ha)

School lunches ... processed food hell ...

Lots of "Wonder" bread ... not real bread of course, no fiber, lots of sugar

Potato Chips, Fritos, candy bars, etc.

Almost no vegetables ... my parents tried to push it but I refused

Lots of cheese

Lots of beef

I remember when the first McDonalds opened in my city ... yes, I liked it back then.

Yummy -- FRENCH FRIES!

Hungry ALL THE TIME ... even right after eating ... never satisfied

OK, I am older. This was another era.

When I was a kid my mother had a HUGE PLASTIC BOWL in the living room which was filled with cigarettes for social gatherings.

It was like a scene out of the t.v. show MAD MEN.

Yes I was obese starting from age 5. No mystery in that.

I had always something like cake for breakfast, BUT all self made from my mother.

lots of creme from the milk of course sweet. But most probable less than than a commercial product. At some time I grew out from liking it.

As more as I think about as more I think self made vs industry made makes a big difference.

Or the difference between bad food self made and bad food industry made it: Overweight 10-20 kg ...OK a bit too fat or overweight massive 30+++ kg.

[Jingthing]

I forgot about the:

Twinkies

Pop Tarts

Cupcakes

Processed food "tv dinners"

Fried Chicken

The many pizzas seem like health food in comparison!

Edited September 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[h90]

FED UP proposes ideas on how to start to fight it.

I will look into it.. just found the start (of the documentary) not that interesting

You won't like it.

It is heavy on pushing for governmental and food industry changes in a MILITANT way.

The food environment, or "culture" as you put it, needs to be majorly adjusted.

It is not only about individuals, it is much bigger than that.

The theme is ... enough already ... TIME TO FIGHT BACK!

Michelle Obama and her "Let's Move" campaign is trashed as caving into the big food industry. Well deserved it seems.

Unlike your exercise emphasis, they strongly and in my opinion correctly put the focus mostly on FOOD.

If you eat the typical American processed food sugar diet, you could exercise day and night and it wouldn't help you.

While the intentions are good the Michelle Obama campaign is in a style that I get automatically the urge to resist.

Kind of control from the top and forcing some food on the children that they don't like. I don't think you can force people.

Of course the opposition does its best to let it appear ridiculous.

Good intention....wrong marketing.

[Jingthing]

The original intention was to go after big food to change the content of their food.

Good and correct intentions in the BEGINNING.

She gave up on that due to the usual big money pressures.

And changed it into an exercise campaign.

She basically played big food's game for them.

That's what they do. They act like their food is not a problem.

That more exercise is the answer and they don't need to change what's in the food.

Total fail.

Also the fact that she refused to defend herself against what I believe is a correct accusation of her is rather damning.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[laolover88]

You'all want to look back at the shenanigans and lies that went on when Wyeth were trialling aspartame. I'll stick with sugar

[Jingthing]

You'all want to look back at the shenanigans and lies that went on when Wyeth were trialling aspartame. I'll stick with sugar

Sugar is fine in smaller daily portions. It promotes obesity and disease in higher daily doses. Too many people are getting the higher daily doses ... quite often unintentionally as sugar is pervasive in modern processed foods.

[robblok]

FED UP proposes ideas on how to start to fight it.

I will look into it.. just found the start (of the documentary) not that interesting

You won't like it.

It is heavy on pushing for governmental and food industry changes in a MILITANT way.

The food environment, or "culture" as you put it, needs to be majorly adjusted.

It is not only about individuals, it is much bigger than that.

The theme is ... enough already ... TIME TO FIGHT BACK!

Michelle Obama and her "Let's Move" campaign is trashed as caving into the big food industry. Well deserved it seems.

Unlike your exercise emphasis, they strongly and in my opinion correctly put the focus mostly on FOOD.

If you eat the typical American processed food sugar diet, you could exercise day and night and it wouldn't help you.

I like exercise.. but stated many times that for weight loss its not the solution (it helps and is good but changes in food are far more important) I see exercise as icing on the cake and for health (not the same as weight loss)

As that there is need for a change that is for sure.. and what i now have seen in the USA i can understand that it needs to be militant the environment is so toxic there (food wise) that it is hard to raise your own kids because of the influence of others. That is not how it is where I am from or how it is over here. Where I am from there is not such a food culture and you are still not a minority when you want to live healthy and eat the right foods.

But this only for kids.. for adults i still fail to see why they can't change themselves (but will be hard) anyway you are succeeding too (congrats with the waist size). I still think if people really want to its possible. Just costs effort.

[Jingthing]

Thailand too:

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/09/04/fattening-thailand

Excessive consumption of sugar

According to the Ministry of Health, a Thai citizen consumes 30 kilograms of sugar per year on average – three times the maximum recommended intake of 25 grams per day.

Sugar consumption is deeply rooted in Thai culture. The problem, Allen explains, is the in-country move from natural to processed sugars.

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Edited September 19, 2014 by Jingthing

[robblok]

Thailand too:

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/09/04/fattening-thailand

Excessive consumption of sugar

According to the Ministry of Health, a Thai citizen consumes 30 kilograms of sugar per year on average – three times the maximum recommended intake of 25 grams per day.

Sugar consumption is deeply rooted in Thai culture. The problem, Allen explains, is the in-country move from natural to processed sugars.

...

Sure things are not going well here.. but compared to the things i saw int he documentary about the USA it does not come even close. I read that Dutch even take more sugar per year 44 kg 24 of those are from naturally occurring sugar in foods (fruits ect)

[h90]

The original intention was to go after big food to change the content of their food.

Good and correct intentions in the BEGINNING.

She gave up on that due to the usual big money pressures.

And changed it into an exercise campaign.

She basically played big food's game for them.

That's what they do. They act like their food is not a problem.

That more exercise is the answer and they don't need to change what's in the food.

Total fail.

Also the fact that she refused to defend herself against what I believe is a correct accusation of her is rather damning.

Well it is difficult as the producer have some valid arguments.

They can argue that it isn't their food that causes the problem, it is the overeating of it. Which is of course true because such a argument can be used for almost everything in life.

But at least where the common sense tells it is fraudulent (writing no sugar added if is in fact) they laws should be changed. And clearly mark which food is how healthy.....

What are these accusations? (If you think it can't be posted, feel free to PM it).

[tropo]

Interesting.. because here now in the Netherlands i see a lot of this stuff. I have even drank a bit of it but was always weary of it anyway.

beside getting fat, it can't be good to eat some chemicals....

Everything you eat is "chemicals".

I use artificial sweeteners in my coffee and when I cook oats (just started again actually). It saves me consuming quite a bit of sugar and there is no way that it causes weight gain. It helps to keep my average blood sugar lower, which in turn helps my body fat levels. It does not make me more hungry or influence me to eat more.

Occasionally I will feel like a Coke, so there's no way I'm going to consume large quantities of sugar when I feel that desire.

I know some will want to argue this point as they have argued it before, but keeping bad stuff out of your mouth is mostly about self control and will power. You do not magically lose your desire for the bad foods when you change your diet.

[kurnell]

Artificial sweeteners irritate my prostate