Popular Post nong38 Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 Thats the problem with politica here, when you dont get your own way, kick up a fuss, start rallying and it escalates from there. IMHO the coup happened because no one was willing to compromise for the sake of the country. The Junta have been in power for about 4 months, they say there will be elections in just over a years time, thats not long in politics, the Reds should give them that time, that another problem here, cant wait must have it now and now is never soon enough, part of the culture, its the way Thais live and buy / get into debt etc. This circle needs to be broken or history will go on repeating itself and Thailand never remembers ( they dont teach history). I hope that it is false alarm and the Junta can fulfill what they said they would do, change the political landscape, rules/constitution etc and in a years time we will maybe, just maybe, see a new Thailand emerging, I am optimistic, although there are plenty here who are not. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikemac Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money! I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right. You will of course note that the Japanese government being far more in touch with reality than you are ignored them. As for self appointed government. What other logical choice did Thailand have. I know you consider increasing corruption and working to bring in a convicted criminal to be a dictator is logical. But let's face it sorry to say (not really) you are in the minority. .............."But let's face it sorry to say (not really) you are in the minority."...................... The last five words are the ones he does not want to hear, northernjohn. But being who he is, and what he does to pass the time, he will continue to try and convince anyone who will listen to his red propaganda, that the Shins way is the right way and they can do no wrong. Anyone who is actually facing reality knows that this not quite right, and you only have to Google the Shinawatra family's criminal history to see this. Where is Thaksin again ? What is his little sister looking down the barrel at right now ? As I have said before the only people who defend them are criminals, redshirts, paid posters or trolls. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money! I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right. They can criticise all they want amongst themselves nobody else wants to hear it and Thailand is better off for it too The only people disgruntled at the moment are those that that were living outside the law and it's being corrected slowly but surely, the red mafias grip on Thailand is no more and good ridence "no-one wants to hear it" I think that the government of my home country shares a similar point of view, given that they have blocked the junta leaders from visiting.Looking closer to home, if so many people love the coup, then why doesn't Prayuth stand for election and get international legitimacy for his leadership? Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app He did stand for election, he won. He was the only candidate and was unanimously voted in. Not too many PM's in other countries can say that. Strangely the international community think it's a little suspect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post than Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 For a while this forum was nice but now the red propaganda machine is turning it sour again Ah yes, because one must be a Red to oppose fascism. More toothless name-calling from the apologists. Red are Fascist because they want to seize power : by force and threatening. by killing children and innocents people, by burning city and destroy private property.. by using blindness of poor people................ by using human shield...... by using pseudo black magic......... Reds are the devil, and Thailand need to clean it these rubbishes.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 Just tell them to bugger off,Thailand seems to be doing a lot better, without the red thugs,and all MPs, ,things are getting done,and are seen to be getting done,the corrupt are trembling in fear that they will be next ,more loggers,forest encroacher's,drug seizers,and they are trying to get to the bottom of the rice scandal,if the present administration can keep on track ,trying to counter corruption,Thailand is going to be a much better place.and tax money can be spent on viable projects,hospitals,schools,the poorest in society and not siphoned off to banks in HK,Switzerland, and Caymans. The thought of the return of MPs makes me shudder. regards Worgeordie 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thailand Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 For a while this forum was nice but now the red propaganda machine is turning it sour again Ah yes, because one must be a Red to oppose fascism. More toothless name-calling from the apologists. Red are Fascist because they want to seize power : by force and threatening. by killing children and innocents people, by burning city and destroy private property.. by using blindness of poor people................ by using human shield...... by using pseudo black magic......... Reds are the devil, and Thailand need to clean it these rubbishes.... Might I suggest you take a little more water with it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post animatic Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Seems the propaganda wing was sent out today .... oh so coincidentally with this attempt to influence Japan and the UN. And the continuation of charges being aimed at Yingluck. No surprise there, boots on the ground then an attempt to spin the dialog their way. S.O.P. Perception Management 101 technique. Edited September 6, 2014 by animatic 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post visionchaser45 Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 It sounds more like a protest than a plot. When I read about a plot to topple a military dictatorship, I usually think of things like assassinations, going after infrastructure targets, attacking economic institutions, etc. Trying to get some foreign government to read a letter of protest never entered my mind when I read the word "plot." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smedly Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money! I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right. They can criticise all they want amongst themselves nobody else wants to hear it and Thailand is better off for it too The only people disgruntled at the moment are those that that were living outside the law and it's being corrected slowly but surely, the red mafias grip on Thailand is no more and good ridence "no-one wants to hear it" I think that the government of my home country shares a similar point of view, given that they have blocked the junta leaders from visiting. Looking closer to home, if so many people love the coup, then why doesn't Prayuth stand for election and get international legitimacy for his leadership? Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app you very obviously have little understanding of what is going on here right now, I would put money on it that when the time comes (if he is interested) the General could well win any future election by a landslide majority - he certainly gets a huge thumbs up from me so far - yes he will piss a few people off that have been milking the system but they know who they are and have little to complain about, it's time Thailand evolved from the stagnant status of 3rd world and it looks like he is da man 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Family issues ought to be settled among the family members. Why go to wash the dirty linen at other people's home?? because laundry ain't allowed at home, and the linen is beggining to stink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) you very obviously have little understanding of what is going on here right now, I would put money on it that when the time comes (if he is interested) the General could well win any future election by a landslide majority - he certainly gets a huge thumbs up from me so far - yes he will piss a few people off that have been milking the system but they know who they are and have little to complain about, it's time Thailand evolved from the stagnant status of 3rd world and it looks like he is da man I guess you will have a picture of GP in a prime position in your living room? Edited September 6, 2014 by Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tbthailand Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 you very obviously have little understanding of what is going on here right now, I would put money on it that when the time comes (if he is interested) the General could well win any future election by a landslide majority - he certainly gets a huge thumbs up from me so far - yes he will piss a few people off that have been milking the system but they know who they are and have little to complain about, it's time Thailand evolved from the stagnant status of 3rd world and it looks like he is da man I guess you will have a picture of GP in a prime position in your living room? with the level of adoration delivered, I would venture to say it's in the bedroom. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandNoob Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Thats the problem with politica here, when you dont get your own way, kick up a fuss, start rallying and it escalates from there. IMHO the coup happened because no one was willing to compromise for the sake of the country. The Junta have been in power for about 4 months, they say there will be elections in just over a years time, thats not long in politics, the Reds should give them that time, that another problem here, cant wait must have it now and now is never soon enough, part of the culture, its the way Thais live and buy / get into debt etc. This circle needs to be broken or history will go on repeating itself and Thailand never remembers ( they dont teach history). I hope that it is false alarm and the Junta can fulfill what they said they would do, change the political landscape, rules/constitution etc and in a years time we will maybe, just maybe, see a new Thailand emerging, I am optimistic, although there are plenty here who are not. Please explain why you think the army has some kind of moral right to be able to suspend democracy for any period of time at all. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandNoob Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 As I have said before the only people who defend them are criminals, redshirts, paid posters or trolls. 555 any supporter of the Shins is by definition a red shirt. So I don't know what you seek to achieve with this circular definition. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post marcusd Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 If the Junta is doing so bad as some posters here think and democracy is taken away, why are prople getting on with their lives with less problems and ore GOVERNMENT work being done? it si NOT just about foreign investment. it is not just about rice money to farmers. i live in Chiang Mai and see works going on that have never happened. i travel and see dredging of rivers to stop or at least ease flooding. I see people happy. People working and no longer afraid of Police because they say they can go to the Army. OK nothing is perfect and The Junta will make mistakes as they go but overall it must be ok. After all you are still here and it is only a bus ride to Laos or Cambodia! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandNoob Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 For a while this forum was nice but now the red propaganda machine is turning it sour again Ah yes, because one must be a Red to oppose fascism. More toothless name-calling from the apologists. Red are Fascist because they want to seize power : by force and threatening. by killing children and innocents people, by burning city and destroy private property.. by using blindness of poor people................ by using human shield...... by using pseudo black magic......... Reds are the devil, and Thailand need to clean it these rubbishes.... Pro-red parties have only ever seized power by elections. In the past 2 decades, every time a pro-yellow party has seized power, it has been by unelected means. And I think that a military coup is a textbook example of "seizing power by force". Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusd Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Thats the problem with politica here, when you dont get your own way, kick up a fuss, start rallying and it escalates from there. IMHO the coup happened because no one was willing to compromise for the sake of the country. The Junta have been in power for about 4 months, they say there will be elections in just over a years time, thats not long in politics, the Reds should give them that time, that another problem here, cant wait must have it now and now is never soon enough, part of the culture, its the way Thais live and buy / get into debt etc. This circle needs to be broken or history will go on repeating itself and Thailand never remembers ( they dont teach history). I hope that it is false alarm and the Junta can fulfill what they said they would do, change the political landscape, rules/constitution etc and in a years time we will maybe, just maybe, see a new Thailand emerging, I am optimistic, although there are plenty here who are not. Unfortunately the people of EVERY country are like this. They all want it now. Look at how votes are BOUGHT in the West - TAX DEDUCTIONS money for cvhildren etc. Thailand is no different except corruption is more rampant and open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandNoob Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money! I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right. They can criticise all they want amongst themselves nobody else wants to hear it and Thailand is better off for it too The only people disgruntled at the moment are those that that were living outside the law and it's being corrected slowly but surely, the red mafias grip on Thailand is no more and good ridence "no-one wants to hear it" I think that the government of my home country shares a similar point of view, given that they have blocked the junta leaders from visiting. Looking closer to home, if so many people love the coup, then why doesn't Prayuth stand for election and get international legitimacy for his leadership? Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app you very obviously have little understanding of what is going on here right now, I would put money on it that when the time comes (if he is interested) the General could well win any future election by a landslide majority - he certainly gets a huge thumbs up from me so far - yes he will piss a few people off that have been milking the system but they know who they are and have little to complain about, it's time Thailand evolved from the stagnant status of 3rd world and it looks like he is da man After the 2006 coup the Reds won the next election. I'll wager that they'll do it by an even larger majority this time, since this coup has been more repressive. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenp Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 For a while this forum was nice but now the red propaganda machine is turning it sour again Ah yes, because one must be a Red to oppose fascism. More toothless name-calling from the apologists. Red are Fascist because they want to seize power : by force and threatening. by killing children and innocents people, by burning city and destroy private property.. by using blindness of poor people................ by using human shield...... by using pseudo black magic......... Reds are the devil, and Thailand need to clean it these rubbishes.... Pro-red parties have only ever seized power by elections. In the past 2 decades, every time a pro-yellow party has seized power, it has been by unelected means. And I think that a military coup is a textbook example of "seizing power by force".Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I think we all has to remember. With all this crackdowns on Thais , it is possibly you make a lot enemy in the shadows. For now the military is doing a good work, but not for the hard working thai, there is trying to make a living on the streets with food, tourists and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If the Junta is doing so bad as some posters here think and democracy is taken away, why are prople getting on with their lives with less problems and ore GOVERNMENT work being done? it si NOT just about foreign investment. it is not just about rice money to farmers. i live in Chiang Mai and see works going on that have never happened. i travel and see dredging of rivers to stop or at least ease flooding. I see people happy. People working and no longer afraid of Police because they say they can go to the Army. OK nothing is perfect and The Junta will make mistakes as they go but overall it must be ok. After all you are still here and it is only a bus ride to Laos or Cambodia! With any luck the anti-junta crowd will pack up and get the hell out of here. That is if it is so bad living under this terrible military dictatorship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 "The letter is said to have explained their opposition to the coup and detailed alleged torture and physical assaults against people who had been detained by the military junta," Maybe the junta should invite the Japanese and UN to investigate their allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If the Junta is doing so bad as some posters here think and democracy is taken away, why are prople getting on with their lives with less problems and ore GOVERNMENT work being done? it si NOT just about foreign investment. it is not just about rice money to farmers. i live in Chiang Mai and see works going on that have never happened. i travel and see dredging of rivers to stop or at least ease flooding. I see people happy. People working and no longer afraid of Police because they say they can go to the Army. OK nothing is perfect and The Junta will make mistakes as they go but overall it must be ok. After all you are still here and it is only a bus ride to Laos or Cambodia! Marcus, I live in Chiang Mai and have done for some time and the dredging and flood control has been going on for the last few years. I think the "beer girls" and a few others may have differing opinions in respect of happyness. What has happened is that the " new airport" has been put on the back burner and the proposed new rail lines bypass Chiang Mai? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandNoob Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money! I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right. fab4.... hold it right there... people of Thailand do not have any democratic rights at this period of time... they sold those rights for 500 bahts along with their votes for the Shinewatras... By voting in the most corrupt government hopefully Thailand will ever have. The military took over bloodlessly to end the crisis brought on by that same corrupt government which almost ripped this country apart. And thank God this military took over to stop what would have been civil war and many deaths... or should I say many more deaths as the Red Shirts had already started notching up their score.. Viva el General... and a pox on Red Shirt appologists... Shame on you...! You hold it right there. What people "sold" their votes for was for some of their tax money to actually get spent on the provinces, instead of just vanishing down to Bangkok. You speak of the threat of civil war, but how what made people think of launching one in the first place? People threatening to overthrow the democratically elected government and replace it with a dictatorship, that is what. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariner16 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Personally have little or no interest who is running this country, even after five years in Thailand I am still more interested in the politics of UK and Australasia than I ever will be in some impossible system I don't understand or care about. Basically as long as my life with my wife is not disrupted during the time I am here then the little green men from Mars can run Thailand for all I care. However it is interesting how Thailand has totally disappeared from the news reporting of the online services of the English speaking world (which is all I understand), I get the impression that they have decided that Thailand is not worth the effort, which might explain why tourist numbers are down etc. particularly as Indonesia seems to have been able to conduct an election involving full adult suffrage without the country being consumed with civil war, of course that is a country moving in the opposite direction of history. It all reminds me of the life and times (and death) of William Russell, Lord Russell (1639 - 1683) which gives Thailand another 300 years to sort out the current impasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandNoob Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I am sure the rules of engagement are such that if any particular crowd are plotting an overthrow or to cause mayhem from Japanese soil, there are laws in place that these people can do time for a long time , if the Thai government has solid proof that anarchists are plotting against Thailand they must bring this up with their Japanese counterparts, not run to the Thai press. Depends on how much sympathy the Japanese government has for an unelected military regime. People "plotted" against the Burmese junta for decades from all over the world without the generals getting much help. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nong38 Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 Thats the problem with politica here, when you dont get your own way, kick up a fuss, start rallying and it escalates from there. IMHO the coup happened because no one was willing to compromise for the sake of the country. The Junta have been in power for about 4 months, they say there will be elections in just over a years time, thats not long in politics, the Reds should give them that time, that another problem here, cant wait must have it now and now is never soon enough, part of the culture, its the way Thais live and buy / get into debt etc. This circle needs to be broken or history will go on repeating itself and Thailand never remembers ( they dont teach history). I hope that it is false alarm and the Junta can fulfill what they said they would do, change the political landscape, rules/constitution etc and in a years time we will maybe, just maybe, see a new Thailand emerging, I am optimistic, although there are plenty here who are not. Please explain why you think the army has some kind of moral right to be able to suspend democracy for any period of time at all. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app From what I understand and its probably a Thai thing, Thas see the army as the people who ultimately take care of the people and the country. We westerners are not used to this, we wait for elections to dump the incumbents, here things are different. I dont pretend to understand it, but, that the way it seems to be working here from the Thais I know all seem happy that the army/armed forces are running the place, its not the first time its happened here and it might not be the last unless they can make changes that are accepted as being right for the Thais and Thailand. IMHO Thailand will not have a democratic system like we are used to, but if it works for them thats fine. I hope that answers that for you, whether you agree or not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 As I have said before the only people who defend them are criminals, redshirts, paid posters or trolls. 555 any supporter of the Shins is by definition a red shirt. So I don't know what you seek to achieve with this circular definition. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Because BEFORE the army made the move, this minority on TVF was bashing Suthep-Abhisit-and the majority of TVF posters for highlighting the mega wrongs of the Shins /PTP/red shirted brigade. NOW it's the army's turn --these apologists are now using this with both barrels loaded, because they were not elected, and the Shins have come unstuck with their master plan--the amnesty bill--FAILED and rightly so. Thaksin, because he thought he was all powerful could race through anything through parliament. He failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 writing a letter is now 'plotting against the coup'. "opposition" to the junta has been the excuse for keeping martial law. the junta is paranoid. "Gen Udomdej warned the NCPO's opponents intend to spread false rumours about the situation in Thailand, instructing security officials and the Foreign Ministry to correct this misinformation with the international community." ah, the ministry of truth needs to kick into high-gear. "He called on parties concerned to undertake public relations activities to firmly convey the fact that the NCPO has never used force or torture against people detained under martial law." clearly the junta is going to continue with their blanket denials. This needs to be addressed outside of the influence of the junta. "Meanwhile, NCPO deputy chief and navy commander Adm Narong Pipathanasai, who also serves as education minister," alright kiddies, this is the man re-writing the text books for you. They should be paranoid. They, like all dictatorial regimes, are outnumbered 100/1. Fear the day people realize that and stand up for themselves. Sadly, the only people sense to see the junta for what it is have left the country. Yes - a good example being the Shin wannabee dictatorial regime. Outnumbered considerably when all the people stood up and said no to white washing a criminal intent on returning absolved of all crimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I guess these bunch of losers didn't get the memo from their boss from Dubai! Stop making trouble or they'll freeze my money! I guess that "bunch" of losers are exercising their democratic right to criticise what they regard as a self appointed "government" in a country where they are still able to demonstrate that right. fab4.... hold it right there... people of Thailand do not have any democratic rights at this period of time... they sold those rights for 500 bahts along with their votes for the Shinewatras... By voting in the most corrupt government hopefully Thailand will ever have. The military took over bloodlessly to end the crisis brought on by that same corrupt government which almost ripped this country apart. And thank God this military took over to stop what would have been civil war and many deaths... or should I say many more deaths as the Red Shirts had already started notching up their score.. Viva el General... and a pox on Red Shirt appologists... Shame on you...! You hold it right there. What people "sold" their votes for was for some of their tax money to actually get spent on the provinces, instead of just vanishing down to Bangkok. You speak of the threat of civil war, but how what made people think of launching one in the first place? People threatening to overthrow the democratically elected government and replace it with a dictatorship, that is what. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Shins running a government elected to do so, then doing the complete opposite to what they were sworn in to do-----Amnesty Bill-----THAT IS WHAT. The only side that was looking dangerous and threatening were the paid red army, and the Yingluck government did nothing to control them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post halloween Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2014 Please explain why you think the army has some kind of moral right to be able to suspend democracy for any period of time at all. Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Because it wasn't working? Because political violence was escalating? Because those in power were taking corruption to unprecedented levels? Because they were planning on borrowing huge sums so their corruption could continue? This reminds me of Life of Brian - "Yeah, but what else have the Romans done for us?" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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