Thai govt warned of 'fishy' deals like microphones for the Cabinet

[Baerboxer]

The clarifying of the microphone matter and indeed the Government house refurbishment is indeed the first hurdle this current administration have to cllear amnd they must be seen to clear this first hurdle with an effective clean open action.

Gsxrnz post # 2.

So they're going from everything being uber dodgy to everything being squeaky clean in 0.2 seconds.

Sounds a bit fishy to me.

Gsxrnz brings up a valid point concerning an instant transformation from a murky cloudy procurement system to a crystal clear system, it cannot be done overnight.

Those people involved in the procurement system have been in position for a long time thus the roots of unethical practices (corruption) are indeed a complex root system.

The gardener can clear the weeds but until the roots are exterminated removed whatever there will always be new growth in different places. An effective pesticide corruption killer solution is needed and must be applied and in the due course of time corruption will be curtailed , however total eradication of the weed of corrupt practices is impossible as the seeds are in the human being make up and known as greed.

Effective treatment takes time, let us hope the the gardener and the prescription he has written and that the dosage taken on a regular basis will take affect soon and produce an appreciable improvement in the patients health in both containing and curing the cancer of corruption that infests the body of Thailand and its peoples.,

For those without a flowery language translator application, what Siampolee was trying to say was this:

Civil Servants who buy stuff for governments have been around a long time and they know how to screw the system. You can get rid of them but somebody else will take their place as people are greedy.

To get rid of corruption takes time but Siampolee hopes that Prayuth knows what he's doing and that everything will be all fine and dandy in the end.

The process and procedures, including their enforcement, need revising.

You are correct, there is more chance pf Prayuth doing this successfully than a Thaksin puppet, as the criminal is only interested in removing checks and balance not making them stronger.

[Nickymaster]

So they're going from everything being uber dodgy to everything being squeaky clean in 0.2 seconds.

Sounds a bit fishy to me.

Sounds more like the current government coming in from the blue green is expected to be 100% squeaky clean as the Thai population is both used to 'clean' governments and expects the military to even outperform civilians and politicians in this.

Stop making excuses for them. If you talk the talk you have to be prepared to walk the walk and that includes taking responsibility for allegedly corrupt practises under their watch. That does not mean having the Advisor to the PM having a "nothing to see here" episode and then backtracking, having been called on it.

Possible corruption by the military really can make you angry. Unbelievable. Haven't seen you angry when Yingluck spends 600 billion with ZERO transparency.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Nickymaster

[siampolee]

fab4 post #29

Stop making excuses for them. If you talk the talk you have to be prepared to walk the walk and that includes taking responsibility for allegedly corrupt practises under their watch. That does not mean having the Advisor to the PM having a "nothing to see here" episode and then backtracking, having been called on it.

Stop making excuses for them , the P.T.P. If you talk the talk you have to be prepared to walk the walk and that includes taking responsibility for allegedly corrupt practices under the Yingluck puppet watch. That does not mean having the Advisor Yingluck to the puppet master PM having a "nothing to see here" episode and then backtracking, having been called on it.

[Fat Haggis]

This isn't about the PTP's failings, two wrongs don't make a right, nothing is going to change the past, try it, I dare you to change what happened yesterday..

It's about now, and the prevention of corruption and shady deals..

[rubl]

So they're going from everything being uber dodgy to everything being squeaky clean in 0.2 seconds.

Sounds a bit fishy to me.

Sounds more like the current government coming in from the blue green is expected to be 100% squeaky clean as the Thai population is both used to 'clean' governments and expects the military to even outperform civilians and politicians in this.

Stop making excuses for them. If you talk the talk you have to be prepared to walk the walk and that includes taking responsibility for allegedly corrupt practises under their watch. That does not mean having the Advisor to the PM having a "nothing to see here" episode and then backtracking, having been called on it.

Nothing tangible I'd say, but I'll stop 'making' excuses

"2012-05-12

Public Sector Development Commission secretary-general Thosaporn Sirisumphand said each agency would be given one month to come up with their work plan on transparency. Meanwhile, all public service outlets will have to put up a sign reading "bribes not accepted" in a move to remind officials and members of the public to not condone kickbacks."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Yingluck-launches-anti-corruption-campaign-30182356.html

[rubl]

This isn't about the PTP's failings, two wrongs don't make a right, nothing is going to change the past, try it, I dare you to change what happened yesterday..

It's about now, and the prevention of corruption and shady deals..

You're right, it is about prevention.

Mind you a poster who complains most also used to come (and still comes) with the most ridiculous statements defending the previous government, including always asking for 'tangible' evidence. Mostly that would seem to be any evidence he could accept on sunny Tuesdays on the 30th of February. Allegedly that is.

[rubl]

Not to mention the acquisition of 28 "state of the art" Plasma TV/displays at 500,000 baht each ( as reported in the other paper Sunday edition ) which is in danger of being forgotten about.

Why would it be forgotten with guys like you whose only job here is to discredited everything that is not related to Thaksin.

I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption. Why not? That's acceptable to you or what?

It's already been forgotten - see any mention of it in this thread or any others about the makeover of Government House?

I do hope you're not accusing me of having a job, i.e being paid to post, are you?

What I can't quite get my head around is that when somebody criticises Thaksin, or Yingluck or PTP or UDD that's perfectly OK but when anybody should dare to make comments the "other way", one gets accused of having an agenda, being paid to post, being a propagandist etc. And if you don't comment on something for one reason or another, by default you're regarded as being in support, or not, of that something, depending on which viewpoint is deemed the most heinous.

I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption. Why not? That's acceptable to you or what?

You can't have been looking too hard.

"Think first before posting" is a good maxim.

I looked again and I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption.

You're close to defaming dear fabs. He's mostly present, as representative of the defence council that is. Also his experience in smokescreens and alternative time lines is often appreciated

[siampolee]

Fat Haggis post # 35

This isn't about the PTP's failings, two wrongs don't make a right, nothing is going to change the past, try it, I dare you to change what happened yesterday..

It's about now, and the prevention of corruption and shady deals..

If we do not take our lessons from the past examples we see how can we move forward?

History is the knowledge resource base of our future.

How could we have learn a better way of doing things, if we had never made mistakes?”

Lailah Gifty Akita

Edited September 15, 2014 by siampolee

[ginjag]

A new broom sweeps clean, what was it the Good General stated.. transparency?

You need to start reading a bit more outwith TVF mate, there's quite a few things the General stated that's gone back to the old ways or are you a selective memory/reading sort of chap?

Taxi drivers on meters.. lasted about a month, they're back ripping off tourists and Thai's alike

Lottery tickets to be sold at 80-90 baht, still being sold at the old price, in some areas higher

Jet ski scammers still scamming away in the areas of the original clampdowns

These were all high on the Generals list of quick actions, but the actions have just reverted back to the old ways.... Thailand same same but different.

Quote. "old ways" of Shin style admin. We can go back further than that we know but clearing all this in this short a time is impossible, no matter who has to do the house cleaning. get real. Some times you post like this sometimes you agree what is the purpose of that ?? trying to keep in good books with everyone ?? You have to wait Chemo does NOT get rid of cancer with one dose.

[fab4]

It's already been forgotten - see any mention of it in this thread or any others about the makeover of Government House?

I do hope you're not accusing me of having a job, i.e being paid to post, are you?

What I can't quite get my head around is that when somebody criticises Thaksin, or Yingluck or PTP or UDD that's perfectly OK but when anybody should dare to make comments the "other way", one gets accused of having an agenda, being paid to post, being a propagandist etc. And if you don't comment on something for one reason or another, by default you're regarded as being in support, or not, of that something, depending on which viewpoint is deemed the most heinous.

I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption. Why not? That's acceptable to you or what?

You can't have been looking too hard.

"Think first before posting" is a good maxim.

I looked again and I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption.

Well you could define what you regard as corruption but I would guess it would involve the Rice Price Pledging Scheme - a quick glance through just the first few pages of my content reveals that I posted on these threads

Thai talk: Corruption, Yingluck and rice scheme

Yingluck gets some respite in rice case

NACC: The case against former prime minister Yingluck is...

Prosecutors decide not to indict Yingluck on the rice case

Most of the rice tested in government warehouses 'sub...

Latest reveal of assets by graft buster of Yingluck cabin...

then again, why should I justify myself to you? You obviously can't use a search function otherwise you could have found that out yourself.

So as I have said before, "thinking before posting" is a good maxim, and that goes for those who "liked" your post as well.

[fab4]

This isn't about the PTP's failings, two wrongs don't make a right, nothing is going to change the past, try it, I dare you to change what happened yesterday..

It's about now, and the prevention of corruption and shady deals..

You're right, it is about prevention.

Mind you a poster who complains most also used to come (and still comes) with the most ridiculous statements defending the previous government, including always asking for 'tangible' evidence. Mostly that would seem to be any evidence he could accept on sunny Tuesdays on the 30th of February. Allegedly that is.

One of these days you will say what you mean instead of hiding behind equivocation. Weasle words used by those without the courage of their conviction.

[Nickymaster]

It's already been forgotten - see any mention of it in this thread or any others about the makeover of Government House?

I do hope you're not accusing me of having a job, i.e being paid to post, are you?

What I can't quite get my head around is that when somebody criticises Thaksin, or Yingluck or PTP or UDD that's perfectly OK but when anybody should dare to make comments the "other way", one gets accused of having an agenda, being paid to post, being a propagandist etc. And if you don't comment on something for one reason or another, by default you're regarded as being in support, or not, of that something, depending on which viewpoint is deemed the most heinous.

I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption. Why not? That's acceptable to you or what?

You can't have been looking too hard.

"Think first before posting" is a good maxim.

I looked again and I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption.

Well you could define what you regard as corruption but I would guess it would involve the Rice Price Pledging Scheme - a quick glance through just the first few pages of my content reveals that I posted on these threads

Thai talk: Corruption, Yingluck and rice scheme

Yingluck gets some respite in rice case

NACC: The case against former prime minister Yingluck is...

Prosecutors decide not to indict Yingluck on the rice case

Most of the rice tested in government warehouses 'sub...

Latest reveal of assets by graft buster of Yingluck cabin...

then again, why should I justify myself to you? You obviously can't use a search function otherwise you could have found that out yourself.

So as I have said before, "thinking before posting" is a good maxim, and that goes for those who "liked" your post as well.

correct you are in those threads. But basically defending Yingluck's corruption. That is not what i meant.

[ginjag]

This isn't about the PTP's failings, two wrongs don't make a right, nothing is going to change the past, try it, I dare you to change what happened yesterday..

It's about now, and the prevention of corruption and shady deals..

Agreed. so TIME TIME Thailand needs this, why not go along with it for now you lose what ?? you lose the heartache of not having PTP in control.

[fab4]

It's already been forgotten - see any mention of it in this thread or any others about the makeover of Government House?

I do hope you're not accusing me of having a job, i.e being paid to post, are you?

What I can't quite get my head around is that when somebody criticises Thaksin, or Yingluck or PTP or UDD that's perfectly OK but when anybody should dare to make comments the "other way", one gets accused of having an agenda, being paid to post, being a propagandist etc. And if you don't comment on something for one reason or another, by default you're regarded as being in support, or not, of that something, depending on which viewpoint is deemed the most heinous.

I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption. Why not? That's acceptable to you or what?

You can't have been looking too hard.

"Think first before posting" is a good maxim.

I looked again and I don't see you in threads concerning PT corruption.

Well you could define what you regard as corruption but I would guess it would involve the Rice Price Pledging Scheme - a quick glance through just the first few pages of my content reveals that I posted on these threads

Thai talk: Corruption, Yingluck and rice scheme

Yingluck gets some respite in rice case

NACC: The case against former prime minister Yingluck is...

Prosecutors decide not to indict Yingluck on the rice case

Most of the rice tested in government warehouses 'sub...

Latest reveal of assets by graft buster of Yingluck cabin...

then again, why should I justify myself to you? You obviously can't use a search function otherwise you could have found that out yourself.

So as I have said before, "thinking before posting" is a good maxim, and that goes for those who "liked" your post as well.

correct you are in those threads. But basically defending Yingluck's corruption. That is not what i meant.

As far as I am aware Yingluck has not been found to be corrupt so how can I have defended that "corruption"?

It's best to say what you mean to remove any confusion, take a leaf out of rubl's book .........................

[NongKhaiKid]

97 microphones for the cabinet,how many members does a Thai

cabinet have?, I believe the UK cabinet meet in the back room of

number 10 Downing Street.

regards Worgeordie

When you see the cabinet table it looks like they need to elbow each other for space.

No money wasted on microphones there so they waste it on other things like MP's expenses

[AnotherOneAmerican]

If the Junta were to announce anyone that looked even guilty of wasting government money would be summarly taken out and shot (no trial, no appeal).

Then this sort of carry on would stop PDQ.

How would you find the culprit? signature on purchase order, any member of committee that authorised purchase, etc.

You could actually clear out a lot of corruption in a short space of time.

Edited September 15, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican

[animatic]

An random searched example :

http://www.performanceaudio.com/item/sennheiser-adn-d1-digital-delegate-conference-unit/22024/

Sennheiser ADN D1 for individual delegates, SINGLE UNIT price $549.95 or 17,760.63 baht

Not including master unit and conference masters units.

Times 86 units = 1,527,414.63

And not including a bulk purchase discount for buy dozens at once.

And this is top quality equipment made by specialist in audio reproduction in many different venues.

Allow some markup and import duty and if this tops out as 25,000 each installed I'd be surprised...

anywhere else. In Thailand nothing would surprise.

Edited September 15, 2014 by animatic

[Maestro]

Removed the off-topic part of a post and the replies to it. This topic is not about the government's pension and health schemes.

[timewilltell]

I have to say I find the rather laborious way this is dragging on a rather disappointing response from the new guys. If corruption is truly top of the agenda then why isn't the exposure or transparent explanation handled with rather more urgency. It is rather discouraging really.

Out the corrupt, kick them out of their jobs, expose and shame them as an example to those who are looking to follow. Allowing the whole torrid affair to fester and stew is just encouragement for others watching and waiting for their opportunity to help themselves to money owned by Thailand. This is not a time for Lilly livered Thainess if the words of the General are honestly said regarding the eradication of corruption.

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