Ulic Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 As usual you don't get what you are worth you get what you negotiate. There is a special place in hell for those people who do a job for too little. That sets the standard for the race to the bottom. Stay or leave it is up to you. In the future you will have to put all expense coverage negotiations in writing in the employment contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryLH Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 "AnotherOneAmerican, on 17 Sept 2014 - 14:34, said: Work permit costs under 2k." Only if you were only getting a 3 or 6 month WP. 3 months = 750 baht. 6 months = 1500 baht. 12 months = 3000 baht. That doesn't include the application fee. It's been like that for many years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Where I work my employer provides the paperwork for potential employees to get the required visa (usually the non-immigrant . The employer does not pay for it, however. Once the employee is on the correct visa, the school takes over and gets the extension, the work permit and the Provisional Teacher's License (something University employees don't have to worry about). The reasoning is this: It is up to you to be in the country legal and to have the correct visa. It is up to the school to legally employ you, so the school gets and provides the Work Permit. But, as SlyAnimal mentioned, it's all a part of the agreement between the employee and employer. I know employers who pay for nothing and employers that pay for everything. I even know of employers that pay for teachers to make the illegal border runs over and over again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinisaan Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I personally believe that it shows a lot about the school how much they really appreciate foreigners having there. I fought a long "war" , at my former school, finally made it the Thai way and told them that it would only be good for our school to show new teachers that we welcome them. Here we go again, my new school where I'd started in May doesn't pay. A new war will start soon. Time will tell. Don't mind to get only my work permit reimbursed, as I need that to work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarontendo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I like what Scott had to say on this really. First visa is on the employee, fair enough it gets ya in. Any further documentation should be paid for by employer as it is needed to continue work. That's a common sense approach that seems it should be industry standard in Thailand, especially as it represents a fair significant chunk of change on some of these salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy B Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The last few years I went to get a WP it was 3100 baht for a one year term. It is less if only for 6 months. Regardless if it for full-time or part-time work, it all relates to the length of time of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2here Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) My experience is similar to Scott in #34. My first contract stipulated that the university would pay - up front - the cost for the initial work permit (application fee included), medical certificate (since the university has a teaching hospital there was no fee per se, just a departmental use waiver), extension of stay and a single re-entry permit. The cost of the initial Non-B was mine. From the second contract onwards they cover essentially the same things as under contract number one; the only major difference being they now pay for a multiple re-entry permit versus a single. This was all written into the contract under the "permits" section of the agreement. I do have a bonus clause that pays out certain amounts if conditions are met. A few of them are contract completion bonus (small), perfect attendance (medium), and assessment/performance (small) If you add all these up - assuming one earns them all - then you'd far exceed the uncovered cost of the first visa.. Edited September 20, 2014 by new2here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Have students do a paper detailing who should pay for work permit and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtHay Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Just an update, I was given the final word monday. They rejected my offer to share the cost of the work permit 50/50. Their reason was that it was my responsibility since "I could use it to teach people in my home", I don't quite get that but there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeichen Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 You could go back to them and say that the work permit is tied to the school and only permits you to legally teach there. Teaching at your home or privately is illegal even with a work permit. If you were full time, I would fight this but as stated before part timers don't usually get anything. The worst part about part time is that you are only paid if in class. So during holidays, classes are cancelled, finals and marking is all done without getting salary. Switch to full time and I think that they will treat you better, but perhaps not. Schools often hire part timers to save costs and many fall for the trap. At CMU there are only 3 full time teachers in the English department and about 60 part time. Many of the part timers actually teach the same number of courses as the full time but get about 1/2 pay and no benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtHay Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the advice Zeichen and everyone else, it's appreciated. I think when the semester is over, and my obligation to the school ends, I'll wish them the best and move on. Edited September 23, 2014 by ArtHay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyAnimal Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Please don't criticise user's grammar or spelling on the forums here. This only serves to take topics off topic. (I have removed 1x post + a reply to it). Also as zeichen mentioned, your workpermit only permits you to teach at the location specified in the WP, so I guess you could point this out to them, and see if they have another excuse, or if they decide to just pay up rather than giving further flimsy excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Of coursde they should pay, should they pay you a wage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Just an update, I was given the final word monday. They rejected my offer to share the cost of the work permit 50/50. Their reason was that it was my responsibility since "I could use it to teach people in my home", I don't quite get that but there you go. Lol. That's priceless. Somebody needs to write a book with these quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claffey Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 You should not have accepted employment from an employer who did not provide you with a work permit in the first place. You were working here illegally and breaking the law. If found out it would be you that is punished and not the school.Get yourself a job with a work permit included.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 You should not have accepted employment from an employer who did not provide you with a work permit in the first place. You were working here illegally and breaking the law. If found out it would be you that is punished and not the school.Get yourself a job with a work permit included.... As has been pointed out however, almost every teacher works illegally for some time. To make matters worse, some schools will tell you they will get a wp for you soon, and nothing ever happens. Your recommendation is too simplistic and does not take into account the inadequacies of the system in place here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtHay Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 Thailand isn't the first place I've worked, I've also worked in Korea, Taiwan and China and in each of these places, and probably the other Asian EFL/ESL markets, you experience the rules being constantly bent and sometimes even broken, as a result you begin to see it as SOP. Regardless claffey is correct and I won't make the same mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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